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Ottom Ephesianos
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
47
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Posted - 2016.01.19 12:22:57 -
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There is no way to do everything.
There is no way to do everything doing anything.
There are debates about how capsuleers have been spending their time and resources.
There are debates about alliances and ROE (rules of engagement) doctrines.
Pilots use the capitalistic approach with such cold blooded opportunism that it seems as though they will do anything for a quick isk.
No one wants to leave the battlefield a winner feeling like a loser.
Get out of Amarr!
We come for our people.
-otto out |
Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
568
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Posted - 2016.01.19 12:56:23 -
[2] - Quote
Hmm, naw. I have no problems with anyone willing to spend their time making Amarr unsafe for combat or trade. I fully expect our enemies to do the same in Rens and Hek. The more damage done to the slavers and zealots in their "safest" and most active systems, the more they are reminded that their homes remain under threat for as long as they hold our people.
In their own way, these quick and agile hunters preying upon their infrastructure are doing as much or more in this struggle as those in the warzone. It's hardly "honorable" or a stand-up fight, but then it's not exactly like anyone else in the warzone fights fair unless they absolutely have to.
One or two more ships in the warzone makes very little difference in the outcome there, but one or two good pilots in a tradehub can cause a whole lot of disruption. |
Maria Daphiti
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
93
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Posted - 2016.01.19 14:35:29 -
[3] - Quote
Ottom Ephesianos wrote:There is no way to do everything.
There is no way to do everything doing anything.
There are debates about how capsuleers have been spending their time and resources.
There are debates about alliances and ROE (rules of engagement) doctrines.
Pilots use the capitalistic approach with such cold blooded opportunism that it seems as though they will do anything for a quick isk.
No one wants to leave the battlefield a winner feeling like a loser.
Get out of Amarr!
We come for our people.
-otto out
You are Amarr.
Sounds like another one for Admiral Lok'ri's List!
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Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate
Ushra'Khan
1601
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Posted - 2016.01.19 14:45:58 -
[4] - Quote
Mizhara Del'thul wrote: it's not exactly like anyone else in the warzone fights fair unless they absolutely have to.
If it's a fair fight, it was poorly planned.
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Maria Daphiti
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
94
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Posted - 2016.01.19 14:50:15 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
One or two more ships in the warzone makes very little difference in the outcome there, but one or two good pilots in a tradehub can cause a whole lot of disruption.
Like Anyanka Funk in Hek and Estyur? Like.. yesterday and the day before in fact!
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Anyanka Funk
Sanguis Inceptum
Of Questionable Repute
637
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Posted - 2016.01.19 14:55:39 -
[6] - Quote
Maria Daphiti wrote:Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
One or two more ships in the warzone makes very little difference in the outcome there, but one or two good pilots in a tradehub can cause a whole lot of disruption.
Like Anyanka Funk in Hek and Estyur? Like.. yesterday and the day before in fact!
You know, I was in Amarr for the past year. |
Anyanka Funk
Sanguis Inceptum
Of Questionable Repute
638
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Posted - 2016.01.19 15:38:27 -
[7] - Quote
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Hmm, naw. I have no problems with anyone willing to spend their time making Amarr unsafe for combat or trade. I fully expect our enemies to do the same in Rens and Hek. The more damage done to the slavers and zealots in their "safest" and most active systems, the more they are reminded that their homes remain under threat for as long as they hold our people.
In their own way, these quick and agile hunters preying upon their infrastructure are doing as much or more in this struggle as those in the warzone. It's hardly "honorable" or a stand-up fight, but then it's not exactly like anyone else in the warzone fights fair unless they absolutely have to.
One or two more ships in the warzone makes very little difference in the outcome there, but one or two good pilots in a tradehub can cause a whole lot of disruption.
Come kill with me in Amarr, coward! |
Anyanka Funk
Sanguis Inceptum
Of Questionable Repute
638
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Posted - 2016.01.19 15:51:52 -
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I don't understand what the OP is trying to express but I lived in Amarr for the last year, killing anyone that I could. Then retreating back to Delve to work for the Covenant.
I'm still learning how to circumvent laws to kill. But I think I'm pretty good at it.
This year so far, I have more kills than anyone else in the Minmatar Republic, most being in Amarr...
That said, yes I am killing in Hek now, and working my way to Rens. Looking for strong individuals such as myself to teach and join me. I tried finding such people in Amarr.. They just do not exist.
I am not a coward like Trigger99, I do not need neutral logi, I use a simple tech one fit Thrasher and kill anyone that I can. I've taught a few people my ways and have even asked Hratan his secrets.. He does the exact same thing as me, except to only the Amarr so not lose his precious CONCORD standings.. I have no need for such stupidity, I only follow Covenant law.
So anyone who would like to kill with me, in Amarr, Amarrian space, Minmatar space, Null, or anywhere else, please get in touch with me. I will give you free elite pilot versus pilot ships to guarantee we get all the pods as well.
Nowhere is safe!  |
Maria Daphiti
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
94
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Posted - 2016.01.19 17:22:39 -
[9] - Quote
Anyanka Funk wrote:Maria Daphiti wrote:Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
One or two more ships in the warzone makes very little difference in the outcome there, but one or two good pilots in a tradehub can cause a whole lot of disruption.
Like Anyanka Funk in Hek and Estyur? Like.. yesterday and the day before in fact! You know, I was in Amarr for the past year.
Yes, i think my mother podded you and assigned some pilots to disrupt your activities.
Perhaps U'K can do the same in Hek and Rens.
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Ottom Ephesianos
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
48
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Posted - 2016.01.19 17:54:36 -
[10] - Quote
Maria Daphiti wrote:Ottom Ephesianos wrote:There is no way to do everything.
There is no way to do everything doing anything.
There are debates about how capsuleers have been spending their time and resources.
There are debates about alliances and ROE (rules of engagement) doctrines.
Pilots use the capitalistic approach with such cold blooded opportunism that it seems as though they will do anything for a quick isk.
No one wants to leave the battlefield a winner feeling like a loser.
Get out of Amarr!
We come for our people.
-otto out You are Amarr. Sounds like another one for Admiral Lok'ri's List!
I am Ancient Amarr of tribal roots and vocal lore. Not wordy doctrine and empty promises from hearts in position nor condition to know God. I am also TLF, x-U'K, and free to lance my way through any forum with any agenda I see fit. |
Anyanka Funk
Sanguis Inceptum
Of Questionable Repute
639
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Posted - 2016.01.19 17:58:39 -
[11] - Quote
Ottom Ephesianos wrote:
I am Ancient Amarr of tribal roots and vocal lore.
Haaaaaa!! Ha ha ha ha ha! |
Ottom Ephesianos
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
48
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Posted - 2016.01.19 18:04:45 -
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Anyanka Funk wrote:Ottom Ephesianos wrote:
I am Ancient Amarr of tribal roots and vocal lore.
Haaaaaa!! Ha ha ha ha ha!
Don't laugh. I am one of few Amarr left who remember the old ways. How to raise a proper family around multitudes rather than becoming one of them. How to have honor and respect for a religion you are raised in instead of honoring a system of control while having a sick pride in it. Not self respect because of it.
My family line was ended by religious hypocrisy. I left Amarr confused and bitter to find freedom and start anew. I found with time it was something I had to fight for and became a freedom fighter.
Now freedom is my opiate.
Blood my testament.
Life my pride for I have none. |
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1524
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Posted - 2016.01.19 18:27:41 -
[13] - Quote
By adding so much convolutions to your words they end up devoid of substantial meaning.. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
2396
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Posted - 2016.01.19 21:07:22 -
[14] - Quote
Well, since the author isn't actually a minmatar, yapping about slavery, but in fact Amarr, I can't say anything in this regard and will leave their management issues to themselves.
However, something has caught my sight that I can't leave without attention, as it becomes the general humanity and civilization problem and not just internal Imperial business.
Ottom Ephesianos wrote:I left Amarr confused and bitter to find freedom and start anew. I found with time it was something I had to fight for and became a freedom fighter.
Now freedom is my opiate.
So called "chaos fighters" are the worst degenerate scum of the universe.
If you say that the chaos is your opiate now, it means you are going against whole civilization, civility and all the know cultures (well, maybe except gallenteans, who put this chaos as ideal, but they aren't the brightest folk anyway).
Thus, Mr. Ephesianos, you have openly announce yourself as a Public Enemy and enemy of the humanity, so I won't feel bad if I accidentally (or not so accidentally) shoot in your general direction.
Are you one of this Amarr sect... how was it called? EoM?
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Kador Ouryon
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
89
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Posted - 2016.01.19 21:58:51 -
[15] - Quote
Lyn Farel wrote:By adding so much convolutions to your words they end up devoid of substantial meaning..
Cutting right to the heart of the matter. He's proven he can speak succinctly an without all that overly dramatic flair such that it leaves me wondering if it's not his intent to be misinterpreted.
Ottom Ephesianos wrote:
We come for our people.
With relevance to your rather unique 'situation' which people to you 'come for'? |
Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate
1608
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Posted - 2016.01.19 23:09:46 -
[16] - Quote
Kador Ouryon wrote:Ottom Ephesianos wrote:
We come for our people.
With relevance to your rather unique 'situation' which people to you 'come for'?
All the people?
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
879
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Posted - 2016.01.19 23:26:44 -
[17] - Quote
Hmm....... I used to come for your people too........ Ugh..... I miss being in the TLF... |
Kador Ouryon
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
89
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Posted - 2016.01.20 00:18:58 -
[18] - Quote
Claudia Osyn wrote:Kador Ouryon wrote:Ottom Ephesianos wrote:
We come for our people.
With relevance to your rather unique 'situation' which people to you 'come for'? All the people?
Still exercising his ethnic entitlement I see. Why ever leave when he's so good at it? |
Anyanka Funk
Sanguis Inceptum
Of Questionable Repute
646
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Posted - 2016.01.20 04:17:33 -
[19] - Quote
Deitra Vess wrote:Hmm....... I used to come for your people too........ Ugh..... I miss being in the TLF...
Were you working in a pleasure hub at the time?  |
Deitra Vess
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
880
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Posted - 2016.01.20 04:57:58 -
[20] - Quote
Nope, helped his kin meet their god.... Usually in a wolf, sometimes a harpy..... Ahhhh...... Memories... |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2401
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Posted - 2016.01.20 07:25:49 -
[21] - Quote
Ottom Ephesianos wrote:
Get out of Amarr!
Make me.
Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2401
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Posted - 2016.01.20 07:26:48 -
[22] - Quote
Maria Daphiti wrote:
Sounds like another one for Admiral Lok'ri's List!
I think he's already on it from the last time he betrayed his heritage.
Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
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ValentinaDLM
Khushakor Clan
Of Questionable Repute
866
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Posted - 2016.01.20 08:29:28 -
[23] - Quote
Ha! There is a list? Is Kazzzi number one? He better be, even back when I had bought the whole "Ammatar" lie, I admired him. Someone needs to bring something like Heathen Legion back. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Icecream Audit Office
663
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Posted - 2016.01.20 08:59:24 -
[24] - Quote
I would actually much prefer if Blake stayed in Amarr.
Can we negotiate about that? No?
Want some nuts with your intelligence?
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Quattras Peione
Vagrant Skies
A Band Apart.
188
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Posted - 2016.01.20 20:30:05 -
[25] - Quote
Leave Amarr? I think not. If you wish to lose your mind and believe yourself to be something you are not, well then that's your prerogative. But I'll not be abandoning my cash cow anytime soon.
Since I'm on the subject of you losing your mind, OP... You call yourself "Ancient Amarrian." Any student of history would know that's properly called Athran. Were I a medical doctor, I would recommend looking into regular dosing with a neuroleptic to mitigate these episodes. Clozapine comes to mind, given the rather paranoid-deluded manner in which these episodes manifest.
Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione
No, I'm not that kind of doctor.
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1879
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Posted - 2016.01.20 20:43:25 -
[26] - Quote
Ottom Ephesianos wrote:Anyanka Funk wrote:Ottom Ephesianos wrote:
I am Ancient Amarr of tribal roots and vocal lore.
Haaaaaa!! Ha ha ha ha ha! Don't laugh. I am one of few Amarr left who remember the old ways. How to raise a proper family around multitudes rather than becoming one of them. How to have honor and respect for a religion you are raised in instead of honoring a system of control while having a sick pride in it. Not self respect because of it. My family line was ended by religious hypocrisy. I left Amarr confused and bitter to find freedom and start anew. I found with time it was something I had to fight for and became a freedom fighter. Now freedom is my opiate. Blood my testament. Life my pride for I have none.
Respectfully, pilot, you are aware that oral traditions tend to be ... ah. Protean?
They change, a lot, over time, kind of like spoken languages themselves when literacy is low. Even if there's a strong tradition of verbatim memorization, all it takes is one careless storyteller, or one with a little dramatic flair or a faulty memory.
Oral lore is less likely to really be an "old way" than, well, just about anything that involves a book nobody remembers seeing written. |
Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate
1609
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Posted - 2016.01.20 20:53:37 -
[27] - Quote
Maria Daphiti wrote:Anyanka Funk wrote:Maria Daphiti wrote:Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
One or two more ships in the warzone makes very little difference in the outcome there, but one or two good pilots in a tradehub can cause a whole lot of disruption.
Like Anyanka Funk in Hek and Estyur? Like.. yesterday and the day before in fact! You know, I was in Amarr for the past year. Yes, i think my mother podded you and assigned some pilots to try disrupt your activities when possible. Perhaps U'K can do the same in Hek and Rens.
Meh, she's not that big of an annoyance.... on a scale of one to ten she would rank somewhere around "mosquito".
CODE is more troublesome.
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Sinjin Mokk
Royal Khanid Colonial Exploration
708
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Posted - 2016.01.21 02:20:13 -
[28] - Quote
Ottom Ephesianos wrote:
We come for our people.
-otto out
I've been hearing people chant this idiocy for years. Do you have an exact timefram, I grow weary waiting.
And no...you are most certainly not Amarr.
Dark Amarr: Rumors!
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
881
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Posted - 2016.01.21 02:53:19 -
[29] - Quote
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
I've been hearing people chant this idiocy for years. Do you have an exact timefram, I grow weary waiting.
And no...you are most certainly not Amarr.
Would you say he's more Amarrian than Nauplius is Khanid? |
Maria Daphiti
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
95
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Posted - 2016.01.21 04:16:52 -
[30] - Quote
Deitra Vess wrote:
Would you say he's more Amarrian than Nauplius is Khanid?
Would you say Anyunka Funk is more Sebiestor than Blood Raider? |
Deitra Vess
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
881
|
Posted - 2016.01.21 05:02:18 -
[31] - Quote
Maria Daphiti wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:
Would you say he's more Amarrian than Nauplius is Khanid?
Would you say Anyunka Funk is more Sebiestor than Blood Raider?
Good point... |
Malasar Ravaan
House Ravaan Imperial Holdings
4
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Posted - 2016.01.21 06:52:55 -
[32] - Quote
Every time someone makes an anti-slavery post, I jettison 100 tribal savages into space.
Our enemies' blood will paint the blackness of space, a terrible testament to our power. Only God's great Empire shall remain, a beacon of light to guide us in these dark and perilous times. Amarr, ad victoriam! Nam claritas Imperii!
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2403
|
Posted - 2016.01.21 07:16:39 -
[33] - Quote
Malasar Ravaan wrote:Every time someone makes an anti-slavery post, I jettison 100 tribal savages into space.
That's both a waste of manpower and unfair on those jettisoned.
Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
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Kador Ouryon
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
92
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Posted - 2016.01.21 07:20:55 -
[34] - Quote
Malasar Ravaan wrote:Every time someone makes an anti-slavery post, I jettison 100 tribal savages into space.
I sincerely hope you aren't serious. To even joke about such is reprehensible and as a Holder you should be better than that.
If you cannot bear them in your sight of service any longer sent them away to another Holder whom will treat them properly. I'd be happy to bear any financial costs should any be incurred. |
Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
572
|
Posted - 2016.01.21 07:23:43 -
[35] - Quote
Rodj Blake wrote:Malasar Ravaan wrote:Every time someone makes an anti-slavery post, I jettison 100 tribal savages into space. That's both a waste of manpower and unfair on those jettisoned.
And let's face it, unsurprising. How very "civilized" your Holders and nobles are, Rodj. The 'lesser' people speak and the great True Amarr murders hundreds in either a petty hissy fit or trying to be edgy and scary. Aldiboo and yourself often point at me or mine as examples of why the Matari shouldn't be allowed to be free. I suggest you sort out your own house, as there's all together a staggering amount of you proving you're not fit to own pet rocks, much less human beings. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2672
|
Posted - 2016.01.21 07:35:30 -
[36] - Quote
He's just yet another sabik heretic and newly-registered capsuleer trying to make himself sound tough and important. |
Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
572
|
Posted - 2016.01.21 07:43:53 -
[37] - Quote
Fair enough. Not going to claim he's a Holder, but he's certainly holding slaves quite legally while in your Empire, and he's certainly of True Amarr stock. It must require a staggering amount of mental gymnastics to look at New Eden today and say they have earned any kind of 'divine' right to hold anything more animated than a log, don't you think?
Don't pretend you haven't seen plenty of evidence of this yourself, kin. You may consider us monsters and not be too far off from the truth, human nature being what it is, but that makes all of us monsters. Your 'superior' Amarr as well. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2672
|
Posted - 2016.01.21 08:01:04 -
[38] - Quote
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:but he's certainly holding slaves quite legally while in your Empire
So can any capsuleer, from any nation, legitimate titles be damned, thanks to this abominable pod-worship that interstellar society has fallen to. |
Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
572
|
Posted - 2016.01.21 09:54:35 -
[39] - Quote
Which is part of my point, yes. True Amarr are as ****** in the head as everyone else, and you are perfectly aware of this. |
Tamiroth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
301
|
Posted - 2016.01.21 10:27:07 -
[40] - Quote
Ottom Ephesianos wrote:I am Ancient Amarr of tribal roots and vocal lore.
Mr. Ephesianos, I believe that the last "Ancient Amarr of tribal roots and vocal lore" died around the times of Dano Gheinok. Tribal vocal lore isn't very competitive even against a network of monasteries and libraries, with scribes and all, especially if those are backed by an organized military force.
Even the modern Minmatar have their old lore all written down - it's easier to keep and study that way.
So I believe that you simply come from a community of persecuted heretics. Something really obscure and probably just as nasty. Even Blood Raiders and EoM have "scriptures" of their own... But that's maybe because they find relative safety in their numbers and all the hideouts in distant space.
Ottom Ephesianos wrote:Get out of Amarr!
We come for our people. How about no? The fact that you are the only heir to a tiny community of heretics of some sort that was eradicated long ago gives you no right to claim Amarr for yourself, or "your" people, whoever they are.
...People are weird as they are, but put one in a jovian pod, and every exiled heretic or prion disease victim suddenly begins to think that they are the king of the universe or the chosen one, and make random statements they are unable to act upon.
So please, come to Amarr, camp the hub, gank around, whatever. How many times the Goons "burned Jita"? And Jita's still there in all its glory, full of trade traffic and ungodly spam. |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
597
|
Posted - 2016.01.21 11:46:10 -
[41] - Quote
Malasar Ravaan wrote:Every time someone makes an anti-slavery post, I jettison 100 tribal savages into space.
I will join you in this, sir. Next time I get in the pod, one hundred Minmatar slaves die. Amen. Amarr Victor.
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Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
597
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Posted - 2016.01.21 11:57:08 -
[42] - Quote
Tamiroth, why did you choose to mutilate your beautiful Amarrian face with tattoos like some filthy Minmatar subhuman? Please fix this, for the sake of your soul; tattoos are the Mark of Destruction, placed upon the damned.
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Tamiroth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
302
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Posted - 2016.01.21 12:06:24 -
[43] - Quote
Nauplius wrote:Tamiroth, why did you choose to mutilate your beautiful Amarrian face with tattoos like some filthy Minmatar subhuman? Please fix this, for the sake of your soul; tattoos are the Mark of Destruction, placed upon the damned. For your information, those are not tattoos, but Ni-Kunni decorative pigments made from the plants that grow on Mishi. They have a soothing smell and I think that they look nice too. A bit hard to wash off though.
But in any case, even if I choose to tattoo myself in Ealurian cave paintings from head to toe, that is no business of yours. |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
597
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Posted - 2016.01.21 12:23:32 -
[44] - Quote
Tamiroth wrote:For your information, those are not tattoos, but Ni-Kunni decorative pigments made from the plants that grow on Mishi. They have a soothing smell and I think that they look nice too. A bit hard to wash off though.
Very well, I have received no revelation from God regarding Ni-Kunni decorative pigments per se, although in my opinion hoping to get into Paradise on a technicality is a bit risky. Assuming you are eligable for Paradise. Which you aren't, being in SFRIM. |
Ria Nieyli
39825
|
Posted - 2016.01.21 13:03:09 -
[45] - Quote
Well then, I'm twice-damned. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Multicultural F1 Brigade
5864
|
Posted - 2016.01.21 17:32:50 -
[46] - Quote
Nauplius wrote:Tamiroth, why did you choose to mutilate your beautiful Amarrian face with tattoos like some filthy Minmatar subhuman? Please fix this, for the sake of your soul; tattoos are the Mark of Destruction, placed upon the damned.
Owch. Today I learned my ident Tattoo damns me.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Sinjin Mokk
Royal Khanid Colonial Exploration
710
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Posted - 2016.01.21 18:52:29 -
[47] - Quote
FYI: I have a slave hound that is more qualified to speak on matters of theology than Nauplius. Can we please stop feeding his already over-inflated ego?
Damned I may be, but it's certainly not going to be for something as simple as a bit of ink injected in my dermis.
Dark Amarr: Rumors!
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Tamiroth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
304
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Posted - 2016.01.21 18:59:00 -
[48] - Quote
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Nauplius wrote:Tamiroth, why did you choose to mutilate your beautiful Amarrian face with tattoos like some filthy Minmatar subhuman? Please fix this, for the sake of your soul; tattoos are the Mark of Destruction, placed upon the damned. Owch. Today I learned my ident Tattoo damns me. If something damns you in the eyes of that particular vile heretic, mr. Tuulinen, there's a high probability that you're doing it right.
Personally, I find permanent facial tattoos tasteless, but it is probably a very practical thing for a baseliner State citizen to have one's ID code optically readable right away for the station security and whatnot.
Sort of loses its meaning with the modern capsuleers switching clones at random, but still I can understand the State officers who have all their clones marked as a statement of who they were.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Multicultural F1 Brigade
5866
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Posted - 2016.01.21 19:12:57 -
[49] - Quote
I've had this tattoo since I graduated the creche and, you're right, I could elect to not have it added to my next clone, but I always feel sort of naked without it.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2406
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Posted - 2016.01.21 19:15:12 -
[50] - Quote
I do not have any facial tattoos.
When you have a face as handsomely statesmanlike as mine, why cover it with ink?
Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
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Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate
1611
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Posted - 2016.01.21 19:20:38 -
[51] - Quote
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:I've had this tattoo since I graduated the creche and, you're right, I could elect to not have it added to my next clone, but I always feel sort of naked without it.
Removing it would put all the attention on your well chiseled chin, it would be distracting...
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Natheniel
Mostly Sober
Dead Terrorists
72
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Posted - 2016.01.21 19:36:52 -
[52] - Quote
Rodj Blake wrote:I do not have any facial tattoos.
When you have a face as handsomely statesmanlike as mine, why cover it with ink?
I still want to know why you have such a frowny face Rodj
"Life is as a storm, one must be prepared for the hardship and scorn. But with in this is a light, one for which we must fight. For hope is our weapon and our dreams are our shield. When fully armed we can not be felled from the field."
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ValentinaDLM
Khushakor Clan
Of Questionable Repute
866
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Posted - 2016.01.21 19:45:36 -
[53] - Quote
Natheniel wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:I do not have any facial tattoos.
When you have a face as handsomely statesmanlike as mine, why cover it with ink? I still want to know why you have such a frowny face Rodj
It is because we denied his app into Shaktipat Revelators, ever since then he just seemed down. He really wanted to be a part of TS-F. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
997
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Posted - 2016.01.22 03:20:14 -
[54] - Quote
Rodj Blake wrote:I do not have any facial tattoos.
When you have a face as handsomely statesmanlike as mine, why cover it with ink?
In Minmatar culture, tattoos are more than just decoration. Tattoos are names, personal history in symbolic form and etc.
Some Matari just enjoy wearing their names on their faces, alright? Others just like to boast about how awesome they are...by rubbing it in their own faces.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
578
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Posted - 2016.01.22 03:32:49 -
[55] - Quote
It's much easier to wear a plain face, a dishonest mask of nobility and righteousness when you have no decency or morality to stand for. Wearing your name and history where it can be seen by all allows New Eden to judge you honestly and if Rodj and his kind were to do this, it'd somewhat hamper their outwards pretenses. Can't have that. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
997
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Posted - 2016.01.22 03:37:09 -
[56] - Quote
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:It's much easier to wear a plain face, a dishonest mask of nobility and righteousness when you have no decency or morality to stand for. Wearing your name and history where it can be seen by all allows New Eden to judge you honestly and if Rodj and his kind were to do this, it'd somewhat hamper their outwards pretenses. Can't have that.
Sometimes the Voluval manifests on the face, and that one cannot be removed. So, I guess in some Matari, a part of them just wants to show off how special they are....by announcing it on their faces!
I am very sure no small number of Amarr Holder secretly wish to show off how special they are....but having it show on their own faces. .
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
578
|
Posted - 2016.01.22 03:50:39 -
[57] - Quote
The hell does "special" have to do with anything? It's no more "special" than your life is, and you don't get to determine that yourself either. |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2406
|
Posted - 2016.01.23 08:24:22 -
[58] - Quote
Elmund Egivand wrote:Mizhara Del'thul wrote:It's much easier to wear a plain face, a dishonest mask of nobility and righteousness when you have no decency or morality to stand for. Wearing your name and history where it can be seen by all allows New Eden to judge you honestly and if Rodj and his kind were to do this, it'd somewhat hamper their outwards pretenses. Can't have that. Sometimes the Voluval manifests on the face, and that one cannot be removed. So, I guess in some Matari, a part of them just wants to show off how special they are....by announcing it on their faces! I am very sure no small number of Amarr Holder secretly wish to show off how special they are....but having it show on their own faces. .
The Voluval is a brutal tradition that has led to much suffering. The sooner it's wiped out, the better.
Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
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morion
Lighting Build
57
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Posted - 2016.01.23 09:40:04 -
[59] - Quote
Rodj Blake wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Mizhara Del'thul wrote:It's much easier to wear a plain face, a dishonest mask of nobility and righteousness when you have no decency or morality to stand for. Wearing your name and history where it can be seen by all allows New Eden to judge you honestly and if Rodj and his kind were to do this, it'd somewhat hamper their outwards pretenses. Can't have that. Sometimes the Voluval manifests on the face, and that one cannot be removed. So, I guess in some Matari, a part of them just wants to show off how special they are....by announcing it on their faces! I am very sure no small number of Amarr Holder secretly wish to show off how special they are....but having it show on their own faces. . The Voluval is a brutal tradition that has led to much suffering. The sooner it's wiped out, the better.
Amarrians such as yourself have no say in how Tribe conduct Voluval.
Yes it is brutal tradition . |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
2403
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Posted - 2016.01.23 16:37:39 -
[60] - Quote
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:I've had this tattoo since I graduated the creche and, you're right, I could elect to not have it added to my next clone, but I always feel sort of naked without it.
Being naked is disgraceful and unprofessional.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
598
|
Posted - 2016.01.23 22:04:10 -
[61] - Quote
Rodj Blake wrote:
The Voluval is a brutal tradition that has led to much suffering. The sooner it's wiped out, the better.
The Voluval is the degraded remnant of the memory of the Mark of Destruction that God has placed upon the Minmatar people, and far from wiping it out we should instead restore it to its original, fully oppressive form. Even today, though, Minmatar who have received such marks as the Broken Shield, the Pale Eye, and the Slaver's Fang are exiled to a sort of city of the damned on Arzad, there to spend what little remains of their pathetic lives in murder and suicide, glorifying God in their destruction. As their religion degraded, the Minmatar in their delusion came to think that some, and eventually most Voluval marks were actually good or at least neutral. This, of course, is false; every facial tattoo is the Mark of Destruction.
Pondering these things has given me a new means of degrading and humiliating my slaves. Henceforth, I shall alter all the tattoos of my slaves so that all of them bear negative Voluvals GÇö the Broken Shield, the Pale Eye, the Slaver's Fang, and more. O how it gives me pleasure to degrade and humiliate my slaves. O how it gives me pleasure to think of those horrifically marked Minmatar exiled to Arzad glorifying God in their destruction. Even so, my the Blood Age come quickly. Amen. Amarr Victor. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
2405
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Posted - 2016.01.24 00:16:37 -
[62] - Quote
Rodj Blake wrote:
The Voluval is a brutal tradition that has led to much suffering. The sooner it's wiped out, the better.
Mr. Blake, please excuse me, but what are you doing now is the same as what minmatars do when they say something against slavery in the Empire. That was my main argument against minmatar rhetorics, that they try to change the culture of Amarr from the outside, while Amarr doesn't intervene this way into Republic's culture.
If you will insist on your words and this course of action, unfortunately, I won't be able to stand on your side in these discussions anymore.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Sinjin Mokk
Royal Khanid Colonial Exploration
713
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Posted - 2016.01.25 01:18:54 -
[63] - Quote
Rodj Blake wrote:
The Voluval is a brutal tradition that has led to much suffering. The sooner it's wiped out, the better.
The same can be said about the continued existence of the Republic. I don't see anyone rushing to accomplish that either.
Dark Amarr: Rumors!
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1001
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Posted - 2016.01.25 04:42:29 -
[64] - Quote
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:The hell does "special" have to do with anything? It's no more "special" than your life is, and you don't get to determine that yourself either.
Sounds like I hit a nerve.
Whatever good things we can say about the Seven Tribes, we must not forget that our regular tribesman is still a human being. Being human beings, it is given that some of them just desperately wishes to be special.
These sort of people will latch onto their Voluval as their identity and revolve their existence around it, if said Voluval has some kind of auspicious meaning.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
582
|
Posted - 2016.01.25 05:01:05 -
[65] - Quote
No one chooses where their voluval appears, Elmund. You were talking about facial tattoos as if they mean the wearers want to appear special, which is rather denigrating to quite a few clans practicing the display of life marks and honesty. The voluval doesn't come into play here. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1001
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Posted - 2016.01.25 05:04:38 -
[66] - Quote
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:No one chooses where their voluval appears, Elmund. You were talking about facial tattoos as if they mean the wearers want to appear special, which is rather denigrating to quite a few clans practicing the display of life marks and honesty. The voluval doesn't come into play here.
So you are going to pretend that there aren't Tribesmen who, upon getting the approval of their elders and acquire their facial tattoos, won't stop ribbing you about it and how it makes them a special snowflake?
Even more so if it turns out to be an auspicious Voluval, because damn, what are the chances man? It just like, show up on my face when I went through my coming-of-age ritual! Damn, I must be someone special!
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
582
|
Posted - 2016.01.25 05:21:15 -
[67] - Quote
I still don't see what any of this has to do with life marks and the history of the person. That's what I was referring to, and then you start talking about facial voluvals and "special" people, which have nothing to do with it. It's like denigrating someone eating an apple because someone who ate a pear did something stupid.
What does idiots with auspicious voluval marks have to do with facial tattoos, naming and life marks? |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1001
|
Posted - 2016.01.25 06:53:03 -
[68] - Quote
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:I still don't see what any of this has to do with life marks and the history of the person. That's what I was referring to, and then you start talking about facial voluvals and "special" people, which have nothing to do with it. It's like denigrating someone eating an apple because someone who ate a pear did something stupid.
What does idiots with auspicious voluval marks have to do with facial tattoos, naming and life marks?
The point stands. Some people love to have these tattoos on their faces for the aforementioned purposes. Remember that the original point was about why the Minmatar, and other people, will want tattoos on their faces (to tell you their name, to show you their history at a glance, to announce to the cluster that they are special...).
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
582
|
Posted - 2016.01.25 06:56:14 -
[69] - Quote
The point makes no sense. There's nothing special to show in a life mark unless you've actually gone and done something truly special.
... or are you seriously implying faking them? |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1002
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Posted - 2016.01.25 07:49:05 -
[70] - Quote
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:The point makes no sense. There's nothing special to show in a life mark unless you've actually gone and done something truly special.
... or are you seriously implying faking them?
Life marks do not prevent exaggerations in the boasting. They are vague enough that one can embellish details or link them to something else entirely.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
582
|
Posted - 2016.01.25 07:58:44 -
[71] - Quote
Of course not, but the mark itself is hardly a boast, which is what the following implied:
Elmund Egivand wrote:So, I guess in some Matari, a part of them just wants to show off how special they are....by announcing it on their faces!
Perhaps it's merely a quirk of language. I don't spend much time in the Federation if I can avoid it. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1002
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Posted - 2016.01.25 08:02:10 -
[72] - Quote
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Of course not, but the mark itself is hardly a boast, which is what the following implied: Elmund Egivand wrote:So, I guess in some Matari, a part of them just wants to show off how special they are....by announcing it on their faces! Perhaps it's merely a quirk of language. I don't spend much time in the Federation if I can avoid it.
Well, you put that mark on your face, whether you actually earned it or not. Then you wait for someone to come ask you about it.
Then you start beating your own drum.
Of course, many Matari will not find that impressive even in the slightest. Some might. Non-Matari even more likely.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Tyrel Toov
Minmatar Confederate
Starkmanir Unification
672
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Posted - 2016.01.25 08:14:21 -
[73] - Quote
Tattoos are conversation pieces, art, or declarations of loyalty to an individual or group. The voluval is a part of who you are. It's there since birth and there till your corpse rots. It is the mark of one's fate on their flesh. The ritual only makes it visible.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
582
|
Posted - 2016.01.25 08:22:35 -
[74] - Quote
Elmund, I can't in my wildest imagination imagine an actual Matari putting a life mark they never earned on their face. It'd be like... trying to perform cosmetic surgery on your spirit with a rusty cleaver. I will bow out of this conversation, because it's a little too disturbing for my tastes.
A life mark I hadn't earned on my face... it'd be like trying to wear someone else's face over my own. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1889
|
Posted - 2016.01.25 16:15:50 -
[75] - Quote
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Elmund, I can't in my wildest imagination imagine an actual Matari putting a life mark they never earned on their face. It'd be like... trying to perform cosmetic surgery on your spirit with a rusty cleaver. I will bow out of this conversation, because it's a little too disturbing for my tastes.
A life mark I hadn't earned on my face... it'd be like trying to wear someone else's face over my own.
Aren't there criminals who are still "actual Matari," Miz?
Con artists? Cartel operatives? Even Republic ... um, internal security, maybe, of some sort?
It seems like being able to put someone else's face over your own would be really useful, given a good cover story. People are apt to remember your marks more than they remember, say, the set of your eyebrows.
Obviously this would take some doing, but-- you could even have it set up so you could modify your markings more or less at will. It'd be like being able to swap faces, without having to mess around with bone structure. After all, no actual Matari would put a life mark they never earned on their face.... |
Arnulf Ogunkoya
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
The 11th Hour Alliance
113
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Posted - 2016.01.25 23:14:54 -
[76] - Quote
Elmund Egivand wrote:Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Of course not, but the mark itself is hardly a boast, which is what the following implied: Elmund Egivand wrote:So, I guess in some Matari, a part of them just wants to show off how special they are....by announcing it on their faces! Perhaps it's merely a quirk of language. I don't spend much time in the Federation if I can avoid it. Well, you put that mark on your face, whether you actually earned it or not. Then you wait for someone to come ask you about it. Then you start beating your own drum. Of course, many Matari will not find that impressive even in the slightest. Some might. Non-Matari even more likely.
Voluval marks appear in all sorts of places and there are traditions about what certain marks in certain places are supposed to mean. My mark is over the heart.
Name, clan and rank marks are placed in prescribed places and people that wear ones they aren't entitled to are not looked on kindly in traditional Minmatar society.
The hypothetical RSS covert operative posited by Ms Jenneth might be held to have earned the right to wear "false" marks by having attained the rank of covert operative. It would be a rather controversial idea though.
Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
586
|
Posted - 2016.01.25 23:26:37 -
[77] - Quote
The answer to your question, Jenneth, is that there's a difference between Minmatar and Matari. Some boundaries take you from one to the other. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1002
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Posted - 2016.01.26 03:26:08 -
[78] - Quote
Aria Jenneth wrote:Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Elmund, I can't in my wildest imagination imagine an actual Matari putting a life mark they never earned on their face. It'd be like... trying to perform cosmetic surgery on your spirit with a rusty cleaver. I will bow out of this conversation, because it's a little too disturbing for my tastes.
A life mark I hadn't earned on my face... it'd be like trying to wear someone else's face over my own. Aren't there criminals who are still "actual Matari," Miz? Con artists? Cartel operatives? Even Republic ... um, internal security, maybe, of some sort? It seems like being able to put someone else's face over your own would be really useful, given a good cover story. People are apt to remember your marks more than they remember, say, the set of your eyebrows. Obviously this would take some doing, but-- you could even have it set up so you could modify your markings more or less at will. It'd be like being able to swap faces, without having to mess around with bone structure. After all, no actual Matari would put a life mark they never earned on their face.... Edit: I'm sorry-- you want to get out of the conversation because it's too uncomfortable, and I'm all of a sudden all intrigued. Uh, so to speak. If there's an idea like this that's so uncomfortable that people don't like to speak of it, it seems like a wildly useful tool, which-- well, it implies to me that someone's probably using (or, rather, abusing) it routinely. It's rude of me to impose something like that on you, though. Please don't feel like you need to address it. I'll just take my answer from Mr. Egivand or something. There's just something about the unthinkable that really, really makes me want to think it.
Well, there is no denying it that despite what tradition dictates, there are Minmatar who do in fact either put life marks they do not earn on themselves or they mislead others about what their life mark represents. People still are people and are still vulnerable to human foibles.
As on the topic of Voluval appearing on one's face, yes, it is undeniable that the possessor has no control whatsoever on where the Voluval is going to appear and what mark it's going to be. However, if the possessor is fortunate enough to get an auspicious mark and said mark shows on a part of the body that is very visible like say, the face, and said possessor LOVES to brag and enjoys the attention, you can definitely expect him to use that Voluval as an excuse to blow his own trumpets.
On the topic of the Cartel, let it be understood that the Cartel do not hold Matari traditions on any high regard. Moreover, Cartel tattoo culture is very different from that of the traditional Matari. Different lines, different symbols, different rules even. I do not know enough details to elaborate further. If they do actually wear traditional Minmatar life marks, much of the time they are meant to serve an agenda or a purpose or an ulterior motive.
In the case of the RSS (Republic Security Services), well, these guys always have a controversial place in Republic society. Half of what they do is actually illegal, while the other half typically skirt the borders of legality. You can definitely expect them to swap out life marks if their assignments makes having those inconvenient.
Do remember that, excepting the Voluval, life marks are still tattoos made using publicly available methods, and can be removed using those same methods. For your traditional Matari, tampering with the life marks is unthinkable. However, do not mistake this to mean that this has never been done.
Even if the life mark is not tampered and is actually rightfully earned, well, people still boast and exaggerate.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
600
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Posted - 2016.01.26 15:34:29 -
[79] - Quote
Update on introducing negative Voluval marks to the Nauplius slave colony:
Phase One of the Voluval testing involved introduction of the Slaver's Fang to the colony. Vherokior with prior experience in tattooing were selected to produce the marks and sequestered away from the rest of the colony. These were provided with numerous detailed depictions of the Slaver's Fang from publicly available sources along with a number of test subjects. The first two tattooings failed, and the deformed marks along with the filthy Minmatar subhumans bearing them were destroyed. The third tattooing of the Slaver's Fang, applied to a Brutor male, was a success.
This subject bearing the Slaver's Fang was introduced to a work crew for observation. At first, reaction to the Slaver's Fang was somewhat limited, as might be expected, given that most of my slaves do not have high exposure to Minmatar religion. Some slaves on the work crew, however, from the start noticeably attempted to keep as much distance from the Slaver's Fang as their chains would allow. As the day passed, the other slaves, as if by osmosis, caught onto their fellow slaves' discomfort with the Slaver's Fang and also tried to maximize their distance. This, of course, severely impacted the crew's work performance, requiring a crew-wide whipping. After the whipping, a few slaves were willing to work near the Slaver's Fang, although as time passed they too edged farther and farther away. Of course, since my slaves are generally prohibited from speaking unless absolutely necessary for work, there was no opportunity for the marked Brutor to plead that his Slaver's Fang was a fake.
Results: introduction of the Slaver's Fang did succeed in degrading and humiliating my slaves as desired, both the slave bearing the mark and those exposed to him. Work performance was severely impacted. Because work performance is not the primary purpose of my slave colony (rather, degrading and humiliating slaves is), testing will continue. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Icecream Audit Office
663
|
Posted - 2016.01.26 15:47:54 -
[80] - Quote
Um, just in case this has caused misunderstandings; where I come from, facial tattoos are just for showing who you are, relative to family/clan/subtribe, plus war tattoos. No special-snowflake look-at-my-exciting-life stuff there; those tend to go along the back. (I love the way of tattooing emergency clonings as a "pearl necklace" along your spine that some Thukker on N-DQ came up with and have totally adopted it, for example.)
Also, if of all possible Matari customs you pick Voluval to be the one that is barbaric enough to need immediate eradication, you really do not know enough of our customs. 
Want some nuts with your intelligence?
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Maria Daphiti
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
96
|
Posted - 2016.01.26 15:51:30 -
[81] - Quote
Nauplius wrote:Update on introducing negative Voluval marks to the Nauplius slave colony
And just where is this "colony?"
Who knows, maybe the Matari will stop "auditing" Ice cream and pay you a visit. You, know, actually "come for their people" this time around? |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
601
|
Posted - 2016.01.27 00:26:18 -
[82] - Quote
Maria Daphiti wrote:Nauplius wrote:Update on introducing negative Voluval marks to the Nauplius slave colony And just where is this "colony?" Who knows, maybe the Matari will stop "auditing" Ice cream and pay you a visit. You, know, actually "come for their people" this time around?
Current testing of the Slaver's Fang is limited to my hanger colony in Mehatoor.
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
887
|
Posted - 2016.01.27 00:36:04 -
[83] - Quote
Maria Daphiti wrote:Nauplius wrote:Update on introducing negative Voluval marks to the Nauplius slave colony And just where is this "colony?" Who knows, maybe the Matari will stop "auditing" Ice cream and pay you a visit. You, know, actually "come for their people" this time around?
If your going to criticize my people, aiming it at those who have done something in the past verses those like myself and many others who haven't is rather pointless is it not? |
Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
586
|
Posted - 2016.01.27 00:50:26 -
[84] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:No special-snowflake look-at-my-exciting-life stuff there
People are very quick to comment on me being abrasive, then they start denigrating the customs of clans in their own tribe.
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Maria Daphiti
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
96
|
Posted - 2016.01.27 01:49:41 -
[85] - Quote
Deitra Vess wrote:Maria Daphiti wrote:Nauplius wrote:Update on introducing negative Voluval marks to the Nauplius slave colony And just where is this "colony?" Who knows, maybe the Matari will stop "auditing" Ice cream and pay you a visit. You, know, actually "come for their people" this time around? If your going to criticize my people, aiming it at those who have done something in the past verses those like myself and many others who haven't is rather pointless is it not?
Respectfully Ms. Vess, it was aimed at the ice cream auditors and gradient. If they've come for their people and rescued anyone from Nauplius, do let me know. Because I've missed it. And yes, on almost all occasions he was in low sec, in some cases in "matari" systems.
I am aware Anslo helped on occasion. I'll be charitable and assume you were with Scope Werks at the time(s). |
Deitra Vess
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
887
|
Posted - 2016.01.27 02:26:36 -
[86] - Quote
Maria Daphiti wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Maria Daphiti wrote:Nauplius wrote:Update on introducing negative Voluval marks to the Nauplius slave colony And just where is this "colony?" Who knows, maybe the Matari will stop "auditing" Ice cream and pay you a visit. You, know, actually "come for their people" this time around? If your going to criticize my people, aiming it at those who have done something in the past verses those like myself and many others who haven't is rather pointless is it not? Respectfully Ms. Vess, it was aimed at the ice cream auditors and gradient. If they've come for their people and rescued anyone from Nauplius, do let me know. Because I've missed it. And yes, on almost all occasions he was in low sec, in some cases in "matari" systems. I am aware Anslo helped on occasion. I'll be charitable and assume you were with Scope Werks at the time(s).
Gradient did much more than those who rose to the stars after them, myself included, have combined. I think its a little unfitting to blame a part of our foundation for not rising to the occasion after its laid to rest. Also your charities wasted on me. I was involved in a move op to the Great Wild lands with my alliance at the time (Hashashin Cartel) during Scope's claim to fame in the warzone. Before that I was exclusively involved in alliance level sorties targeting such groups as Imperial Outlaws, who I'm sure your familiar with, and the other Amarrian forces around the Egghelende system. To say the least we largely worked alone. When I was in Scope the last time very little was for my people, maybe two or three instances I can think of. I left them when they literally joined a group opposing us, back to my roots as they say. |
Arnulf Ogunkoya
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
The 11th Hour Alliance
114
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Posted - 2016.01.27 21:46:28 -
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Maria Daphiti wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Maria Daphiti wrote:Nauplius wrote:Update on introducing negative Voluval marks to the Nauplius slave colony And just where is this "colony?" Who knows, maybe the Matari will stop "auditing" Ice cream and pay you a visit. You, know, actually "come for their people" this time around? If your going to criticize my people, aiming it at those who have done something in the past verses those like myself and many others who haven't is rather pointless is it not? Respectfully Ms. Vess, it was aimed at the ice cream auditors and gradient. If they've come for their people and rescued anyone from Nauplius, do let me know. Because I've missed it. And yes, on almost all occasions he was in low sec, in some cases in "matari" systems. I am aware Anslo helped on occasion. I'll be charitable and assume you were with Scope Werks at the time(s).
Gradient, when part of Electus Matari, did come for people. Specifically the people abducted by Imperial Human Resources from the Republic. I know this because I was flying escort duty on that raid back before I was KOS in imperial space. PIE's command felt this was unjustified, hence the war fought between PIE and EM long before any of this Militia business started. We have also hunted Sani Sabik before now. The last one we went after was a moron who goes by the name Darth Sage.
Also, "We come for our people" is an Ushra'Khan slogan, do try to keep up.
Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1004
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Posted - 2016.01.28 01:44:27 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:No special-snowflake look-at-my-exciting-life stuff there People are very quick to comment on me being abrasive, then they start denigrating the customs of clans in their own tribe.
Nobody and nothing is too sacred to criticise. Not even God or Elders. I report on what I observe, not on what I think ought to be observed.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
586
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Posted - 2016.01.28 02:42:55 -
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So do I, but then people get whiny about it. Double standards, hmm?
Having Sebiestor start mocking the customs and ways of other Sebiestor clans was rather unexpected though. There's a difference between criticism and mockery, but I suppose you're too Gallentean now to grasp that, perhaps. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1004
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Posted - 2016.01.28 03:26:29 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:So do I, but then people get whiny about it. Double standards, hmm?
Having Sebiestor start mocking the customs and ways of other Sebiestor clans was rather unexpected though. There's a difference between criticism and mockery, but I suppose you're too Gallentean now to grasp that, perhaps.
I mock and criticise everything, myself included. Unless something has made itself too perfect to be criticised or mocked.
However, such a thing hasn't existed yet.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Ginnie
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
94
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Posted - 2016.01.28 20:44:49 -
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First of all, what were the Minmatar prior to slavery? Nothing...absolutely nothing. They were worthless scattered tribes that were constantly fighting with one another.
What did the Amarr do for the Minmatar people? They gave them a purpose. They gave them a prosperous life. Instead of constantly fighting with one another, the Minmatar were given jobs and a purpose to living. Instead of being scattered on desolate worthless planets, the Amarr brought the Minmatar people to the most glorious and beautiful part of the galaxy.
How did the Minmatar repay this unprecedented kindness? Armed rebellion.
Where is the justice, the honor, or the humility in that? Why don't you give me a job, cloth me, feed me, and generally take care of me as my benevolent benefactor, and some day, some day soon, I'll pull a gun on you, kill your wife and child in front of you, burn your house down and skip on back to my "home world."
How are you gonna feel?
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream. -Edgar Allan Poe
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Icecream Audit Office
664
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Posted - 2016.01.28 20:54:18 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:No special-snowflake look-at-my-exciting-life stuff there People are very quick to comment on me being abrasive, then they start denigrating the customs of clans in their own tribe.
Um, I sure did not intend to do that, or at least denigrate anyone else's customs any more than my own.
What I meant is this:
- pretty much every clan has a place for where to put tattoos about life events and achievements
- some of those tattoos *are* a little (sometimes a lot) on the "special snowflake look at me" side of things
- I mean come on, look at myself and my Thukker friends from my misspent youth: who the hell tattoos emergency clonings on them like some kind of a badge of honor? (well I do, and I like it, so sue me)
- in my clan the place for those is not on the face, but on the back, but YMMV
- so if you have attempted to read something into what is on my face: sorry to tell, those are not the interesting part, they are just clan, associations, and subtribe
- some other folks have their special-snowflake stuff on their face, but you really should not assume without asking
Eles
Want some nuts with your intelligence?
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works
Psychotic Tendencies.
890
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Posted - 2016.01.28 22:15:58 -
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Ginnie wrote:First of all, what were the Minmatar prior to slavery? Nothing...absolutely nothing. They were worthless scattered tribes that were constantly fighting with one another.
What did the Amarr do for the Minmatar people? They gave them a purpose. They gave them a prosperous life. Instead of constantly fighting with one another, the Minmatar were given jobs and a purpose to living. Instead of being scattered on desolate worthless planets, the Amarr brought the Minmatar people to the most glorious and beautiful part of the galaxy.
How did the Minmatar repay this unprecedented kindness? Armed rebellion.
Where is the justice, the honor, or the humility in that? Why don't you give me a job, cloth me, feed me, and generally take care of me as my benevolent benefactor, and some day, some day soon, I'll pull a gun on you, kill your wife and child in front of you, burn your house down and skip on back to my "home world."
How are you gonna feel?
Lets break this down shall we?
1:
"First of all, what were the Minmatar prior to slavery?"
Aside from having Space flight, numerous planets, a well developed society, and centuries of peace before your people "graced our presence," we also were Industrialized on a very fertile group of planets. Hardly Nothing.
2:
"What did the Amarr do for the Minmatar people?"
Showed us the light of your god in the form of Tachyon Lasers.
3:
"How did the Minmatar repay this unprecedented kindness?"
Were you expecting anything less?
4:
"Where is the justice, the honor, or the humility in that?"
You tell me.
5:
"How are you gonna feel?"
Pretty good about my people, I wont lie. |
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