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Emperor Exodus Die Trying Kith of Venal	Posted - 2007.01.26 10:59:00 - [1] today i was making an announce in module chanel. i was looking for a core-x large armor reparer for 400M Somone take me in convo. he told to me he created a private contract and asked to me please accept it now, ect.. but i was lucky and i didnt get the 400M, i had to sell some little things before. Here are the logs Emperor Exodus > why its a freeform ? Mireya Solid > oh **** wtf ive contracted Mireya Solid > two reps Mireya Solid > instead of one Mireya Solid > reject it please so i can put it back up with just one rep Emperor Exodus > please mate just do me an item exaanche classic Mireya Solid > no lol Mireya Solid > and rejcet that contract you bastard i dont want u getting my 2 reps Emperor Exodus > why not ? i dont know what is a freeform contrat Mireya Solid > you only need one Mireya Solid > u rejecting? Mireya Solid > theres two reps on that contract instead of 1 Emperor Exodus > you cant cancel it ? Mireya Solid > no Mireya Solid > if u accept Mireya Solid > your going to get 2 reps instead of one Mireya Solid > ! Emperor Exodus > i havent accepted Mireya Solid > can you accept and send me on the of the reps back ?????? Mireya Solid > otherwise ill be loosing 400m! Emperor Exodus > hThT i take your name and the logs man of this convoe Emperor Exodus > i think you are trying to cheat somewhere Mireya Solid > u scmamer Mireya Solid > you tryin to take my 2 reps Emperor Exodus > first i try nothing Emperor Exodus > seconde i dont understand why you fill a freeform Emperor Exodus > its just an item exanche Mireya Solid > why not? it works Mireya Solid > ACCEPT IT AND SEND ME ONE REP BACK NOW! Mireya Solid > I NEED MY REP BACK Emperor Exodus > dont be worry about that Emperor Exodus > i will do it Emperor Exodus > i am just tryind to understand if its you who dont make a bugged contrat to stealh me 400M Emperor Exodus > i dont know what is a freeform Emperor Exodus > and i am worried about that Mireya Solid > im not stealing your ISK Mireya Solid > mate look Mireya Solid > i cant afford to loose that rep Mireya Solid > an you claim it and give me one rep back? Mireya Solid > please Emperor Exodus > yes of course, i am honnest Emperor Exodus > but look your contrat Mireya Solid > thanks man Mireya Solid > claim the contract and <url=contract:30000142//587883>Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer</url> Mireya Solid > and send it back Emperor Exodus > inr reward case : (none) Mireya Solid > the contract is fine Mireya Solid > its just a different contract Mireya Solid > accept it and u will get two reps Mireya Solid > send me one back Mireya Solid > please friend Mireya Solid > please?!?!? Emperor Exodus > * Accepting this contract does NOT bind Mireya Solid to give <br>you ANY items whatsoever. Not even if any item types are listed <br>in it. Not even if they appear with info links! There are known scams <br>involving exactly this. <br>Do not accept this... Mireya Solid > thats a bug Mireya Solid > just accept please Mireya Solid > u will get the reps Emperor Exodus > now man we will do something Mireya Solid > look i need my rep back Mireya Solid > accept and give me one rep Mireya Solid > accept the contract Mireya Solid > and send me one rep back Mireya Solid > please Mireya Solid > i need my rep Emperor Exodus > i will reject your contrats and i will wait you make me just a private item exange Mireya Solid > i cant Mireya Solid > my eve is bugged<br>i can only make freeform! Mireya Solid > just accept Mireya Solid > and send me one rep back Mireya Solid > PLEASE Emperor Exodus > if you dont it i send Mail to ccp about your illegals activity Mireya Solid > accept the contract then Emperor Exodus > i am clear with you. now i reject, do me a private item exancge Mireya Solid > no Mireya Solid > accpet hte contract Mireya Solid > and send me one rep back Emperor Exodus > i didnt Emperor Exodus > i rejected Mireya Solid > you idiot
Emperor Exodus Die Trying Kith of Venal	Posted - 2007.01.26 11:02:00 - [2] Mireya Solid > the reps are stuck now Mireya Solid > for 24 hours Mireya Solid > idiot Emperor Exodus > now man you have some minutes to make me a valid item exange contract Mireya Solid > I CANT GET THE REPS Mireya Solid > FOR 24 HOURS Mireya Solid > **** ASKE Mireya Solid > SAKE Mireya Solid > WHY DID U DO THAT Mireya Solid > IM REPORTING YOU TO CCP FOR GRIEFING ME Emperor Exodus > because you trying to stealh me Emperor Exodus > no me i will do that with log Emperor Exodus > i have all logs ect Mireya Solid > U SCAMMER Mireya Solid > YOUR A SCAMMER Mireya Solid > CCP WIL KNOW YOU SCAM Mireya Solid > AND U WILL BE BANED Mireya Solid > FOR 100 YEARS Emperor Exodus > i dont speak with you anymore Mireya Solid > I KNOW GM's Mireya Solid > ILL GET YOU BANED I make a petition about that . here is the gm answer : Hi. As this was not an Item Exchange type contract we can not help you. Item Exchange contracts are the only contracts which guarantee in which item trades are possible. Always double check that what you are expecting to get is listed under "Offered Items", if there is nothing there then it is not an item exchange contract. Also note that if there are multiple items in the contract then it will be noted with a multiplier after the item, no multiplier means it is only a single item. Also note that the description of the contract is meaningless as the pilot that issued the contract can type or link anything he wishes into that field when setting up the contract, only look at the Offered Items field at the bottom of the contract form when verifying the contents of a contract. <a href="http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=324">Link to knowledge base article on contracts </a> We can not refund you the ISK, but hopefully the information above will help you avoid further such incidents in the future. Best regards, GM Nepthys EVE Online Customer Support Ok then be carrefull all. for me its a shame CCP do nothing about that ! A shame
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.01.26 11:05:00 - [3] Darwin FTW.. GG CCP.. KALI:Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2007.01.26 11:05:00 - [4] Worst scam ever. Originally by: Tisanta i cry when i read your sig...
Irwin Gallente The Fated	Posted - 2007.01.26 11:08:00 - [5] posting about a GM matter is a mistake m8.. Cant remember teh exact words but posting the GM's responce and an ingame log is against the forums rules... i think. Irwin -The Fated
Hephaesteus Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.26 11:09:00 - [6] IBTL Jita needs to be reclassified as 0.0 ----------------------------------------------- Knowing all, when all is unknown.
Scilent Enigma Minmatar	Posted - 2007.01.26 11:10:00 - [7] Edited by: Scilent Enigma on 26/01/2007 11:08:20 Originally by: Twilight Moon Worst scam ever. QFT This has got to be one of the worst scams yet to see the forums. Edit: Typonese My Master plan: 1. Become pirate 2. Camp the EVE gate 3. .... eh.?
Jarjar exscape corporation	Posted - 2007.01.26 11:10:00 - [8] Ooold news. Why did you petition if you didn't even get scammed, btw?
Mireya Solid	Posted - 2007.01.26 11:11:00 - [9] I WANT MY REP BACK WTF
Viliny	Posted - 2007.01.26 11:11:00 - [10] Engrish ftw

Dave White Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.01.26 11:13:00 - [11] lol EvE +NLINE - T+TALHELLDEATH SUPPORTER My post bla bla my view bla no way corp or alliance bla reflection bla bla.
Emperor Exodus Die Trying Kith of Venal	Posted - 2007.01.26 11:15:00 - [12] damn Mireya Solid the audacity to to replay here .. oh my god but in wich world are we leaving !
Za Po Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.26 11:15:00 - [13] The contract interface could use some clarification TBH. I had to make a trial with a corp mate to figure out how the item exchange worked - I mean, "money to give" and "money to receive", what does that even mean? Money that I have to give him, or money that he has to give me? Money that I am to receive, or money that he has to receive? And why is the money decoupled from the items anyway? Okay, it's not a problem once you've figured it out, but that's always the case with bad user interfaces - and they're still bad. I dread the day when I'll have to figure out the more complex contracts. It would be better if we had a typical MMORPG "safe trade" window, with a section titled "Za Po will give to Emperor Exodus:" with an item container and an isk number, and a second similar section titled "Emperor Exodus will give to Za Po:". Or something following that basic scheme. The current interface mostly decouples "money" from "items", but that's unnecessary; rather, it should decouple "given" from "received". Color-coding the various contract types might be a nice idea too.
Mireya Solid	Posted - 2007.01.26 11:16:00 - [14] tbh it was fun messing with you :) this thread is asking for a nerf GM logs r bad!
Baron Oxes Hypermagic Mountain	Posted - 2007.01.26 11:17:00 - [15] Originally by: Emperor Exodus damn Mireya Solid the audacity to to replay here .. oh my god but in wich world are we leaving ! You need to remove the GM response from your post, and maybe the chat log - otherwise it'll get deleted and/or locked. Aside from that, did anyone actually lose anything? Apart from me and some braincells.
Mireya Solid	Posted - 2007.01.26 11:18:00 - [16] Originally by: Emperor Exodus damn Mireya Solid the audacity to to replay here .. oh my god but in wich world are we leaving ! I dunno what world your living in with English like that! Give me my reps back you scammer
Trek Minmatar N.A.G.A Corporation	Posted - 2007.01.26 11:20:00 - [17] Well it's really nice to see that the GMs read the petition before they reply... Anyhow, good for you you didn't fall for that scam and got to keep your isk! --- My other ship is a Reaper
Dei	Posted - 2007.01.26 11:21:00 - [18] People have to understand that scams are allowed in EVE (apart from GTC scams), and if it's freeform, and the seller won't change to item exchange, then just leave convo. Tbh, that was the worst scam I've ever seen, but likely to get rookies (if they managed to get 400mil before they became EVE aware). At Mireya Solid, lol for the worst attempt at a scam ever. And that's saying something considering there's still thousands of contracts floating about with 1 isogen selling for 300mil with numbers in the description. And edit out the GM response, ISD will come any second and get rid of it...
Gone'Postal Minmatar LuthorCorp Combat Division	Posted - 2007.01.26 11:23:00 - [19] Originally by: Mireya Solid Originally by: Emperor Exodus damn Mireya Solid the audacity to to replay here .. oh my god but in wich world are we leaving ! I dunno what world your living in with English like that! Give me my reps back you scammer use the powers of the Gm's you know Known Issues & Workarounds - The forum to fix the issues of Eve... Godhelp us if the Devs start trying to.
Emperor Exodus Die Trying Kith of Venal	Posted - 2007.01.26 11:27:00 - [20] yes of course i didnt lost my 400M.. and just because i use to buy and make any kind of contrat. But for somoene who dont know how work contrat work he will lost 400M and nobody, the damn scammer Mireya or ccp or anyone will do something for you.. maybe its me the stupid man but i believed when we pay 12Ç/month we can receuve a minimum of services and guaranties.. but of course its my opinion and many player will answer me they pay 12Ç/month to scam people...

Nicholai Pestot Gallente Havoc Inc	Posted - 2007.01.26 11:39:00 - [21] Originally by: Emperor Exodus yes of course i didnt lost my 400M.. and just because i use to buy and make any kind of contrat. But for somoene who dont know how work contrat work he will lost 400M and nobody, the damn scammer Mireya or ccp or anyone will do something for you.. maybe its me the stupid man but i believed when we pay 12Ç/month we can receuve a minimum of services and guaranties.. but of course its my opinion and many player will answer me they pay 12Ç/month to scam people... You receive the services and guaranties in the contract you agreed to with CCP when you started your account with them. Opinion or not, if you think you are entitled to anything more than that then you are wrong. I, personally, do not scam but do like that it is possible and have no sympathy for those who are caught by one. On the plus side Emperor Exodus you were not caught by the scam, so if you can get it out of your head that CCP should somehow hold your hand while playing you may have the potential to be a good, well rounded and paranoid eve gamer
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.01.26 12:07:00 - [22] Mireya Solid > my eve is bugged<br>i can only make freeform!
Kanuo Ashkeron Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2007.01.26 12:20:00 - [23] Originally by: Emperor Exodus Accepting this contract does NOT bind Mireya Solid to give <br>you ANY items whatsoever. Not even if any item types are listed <br>in it. Not even if they appear with info links! There are known scams <br>involving exactly this. <br>Do not accept this... I think this is enough warning. Kanuo
Xoria Krint The Movement	Posted - 2007.01.26 12:22:00 - [24] Hahaha --- My Movies
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.26 12:33:00 - [25] Edited by: Le Skunk on 26/01/2007 12:30:45 Originally by: Emperor Exodus Emperor Exodus > * Accepting this contract does NOT bind Mireya Solid to give <br>you ANY items whatsoever. Not even if any item types are listed <br>in it. Not even if they appear with info links! There are known scams <br>involving exactly this. <br>Do not accept this... Mireya Solid > thats a bug With the amount of bugs in this peeping games its a viable answer SKUNK PS Not allowed to post chatlogs so this thread has a whopping gereat hammer being weilied over it as soon as mods find it. Which to be honest could take a while ;) My speeeling is my own and dos not represant the Privateer Corporation or Privateer alliance who incidentally are recruting pilots and corporations - Evemail me for details
Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2007.01.26 13:20:00 - [26] Originally by: Mireya Solid Originally by: Emperor Exodus damn Mireya Solid the audacity to to replay here .. oh my god but in wich world are we leaving ! I dunno what world your living in with English like that! Give me my reps back you scammer Seriously, you'd be doing yourself a favour by hiding down a very large hole around about now. That really was a pathetic attempt at scamming. Originally by: Tisanta i cry when i read your sig...
Nev Clavain Wise Guys Rogue Method Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.26 13:38:00 - [27] Originally by: Mireya Solid Originally by: Emperor Exodus damn Mireya Solid the audacity to to replay here .. oh my god but in wich world are we leaving ! I dunno what world your living in with English like that! Give me my reps back you scammer Yeah i especially liked the part when you totally started losing it when your scam wasnt working out. Then you come here and pretend you were 'messing' with the OP? How exactly did you mess with him. You lied to him and he worked it out. Yeah you seriously messed him up, you are pretty awesome actually.
Ashiana	Posted - 2007.01.26 13:58:00 - [28] Originally by: Mireya Solid tbh it was fun messing with you :) this thread is asking for a nerf GM logs r bad! @ scam... LOL @ bringing GMs into it and wasting their time... you deserve a smack
Forum Troll	Posted - 2007.01.26 14:04:00 - [29] Why the hell don't they fix the contract types?
Zaphod Jones Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.26 14:05:00 - [30] problem sorted, just put a "proper" item exchange contract up for the OP if only I could find someone now that is being scammed out of a core x-type EM or Therm hardener I could sell those too.

Liyanna	Posted - 2007.01.26 14:28:00 - [31] Originally by: Mireya Solid Originally by: Emperor Exodus damn Mireya Solid the audacity to to replay here .. oh my god but in wich world are we leaving ! I dunno what world your living in with English like that! Give me my reps back you scammer Cut the BS on the forums. Unless you wanna give me my ISK back. It wasn't the same scam but this person is definitely a scammer, quite the audacity to try and show up on the forums.
George Petsch Caldari Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.26 14:53:00 - [32] guys, scamming is part of this game. However, if you want to make absolutley sure that you'll never get scammed again in your eve life, I'll be happy to offer everyone interested my "How to avoid getting scammed and lead a better life" training. Cost for individuals are 100 Mill each, corp classes can be booked from 1Bil upwards, payable upfront, unrefundable. im in ur safespots pwning ur canz
Lord Slater Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.01.26 15:22:00 - [33] Originally by: George Petsch guys, scamming is part of this game. However, if you want to make absolutley sure that you'll never get scammed again in your eve life, I'll be happy to offer everyone interested my "How to avoid getting scammed and lead a better life" training. Cost for individuals are 100 Mill each, corp classes can be booked from 1Bil upwards, payable upfront, unrefundable. That is a scam guys dont use his program he will just take your money and laugha t you.... However my program isant Cost for individuals are 100 Mill each, corp classes can be booked from 800 million upwards, payable upfront, FULLY refundable. ----------------------------------------------- YYAARRHH HAHAHA IM THE HAPPY PIRATE
Emperor Exodus Die Trying Kith of Venal	Posted - 2007.01.26 19:12:00 - [34] Ok, nice so much people read my post. 1) Some people are more informed now about this bad way to scam and take care. 2) The scammer is knew from all, shame on him Somoene read this post and convo me in game to sell me this Core x large armor reparair for a good prince and with a proper item exange contract :) Good end story ! have fun !
Gaogan Gallente Solar Storm X-PACT	Posted - 2007.01.26 20:05:00 - [35] Originally by: Liyanna Cut the BS on the forums. Unless you wanna give me my ISK back. It wasn't the same scam but this person is definitely a scammer, quite the audacity to try and show up on the forums. Liyanna is Mireya Solid on another toon? Seriously you tard, shut up and bugger off, you are so full of it you turn my stomach.
Thundercat Doom Minmatar Melissa Jumpclones INC	Posted - 2007.01.26 20:08:00 - [36] I liked the ending where he was gonna be banned for 100 years, lol. -------------------- -------------------- Flamers are Lamers.
Hennry Fromer Gallente TRSG Research	Posted - 2007.01.26 20:17:00 - [37] If CCP enhanced the contracts so we could use a list in the contarts "not Issued by" we could block the scammers and not have to filter through all thier contract spammage.
Kazuo Ishiguro	Posted - 2007.01.26 21:20:00 - [38] /me goes and posts it on the Game Development Forum... ------ So you're lagged out in Motsu/Saila/Aramachi, but you want that CNR? Do missions for another corp!
Nev Clavain Wise Guys Rogue Method Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.26 22:03:00 - [39] Originally by: Hennry Fromer If CCP enhanced the contracts so we could use a list in the contarts "not Issued by" we could block the scammers and not have to filter through all thier contract spammage. no no that would make no sense at all. We can fly spaceships faster than light, but the idea that a person can ever be accountable for what they do in this game is just ludicrous. Scammers will always get new victims because space-age contract systems do not include filters. CCP see scamming as an important part of the game, so the deliberately prohibit anything that might allow you do do something useful, like make a blocklist of known scammers. In fact in this era of wonderful technology the only option left to us superhuman podpilots is to get out good old pen and paper, and write down a scammer's name. Then manually check every contract you look at against your list of scammers. Yes its dumb, I know. Are CCP ever going to do anything about it? Nope. If they can't even get drones to work properly after 3 years I doubt this is even on their radar. I expect their marketing department have wrapped this one up and placed it under the 'features' category. "Hey new customer, you can make an alt in a newby corp to scam people all day long, and there is nothing anyone can ever do to stop you or ascertain your real identity. SOund like your kind of game? Give EVE a try."
Dregann Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2007.01.26 22:30:00 - [40] Originally by: Twilight Moon Worst scam ever. lol QTF

Liyanna	Posted - 2007.01.26 23:20:00 - [41] Originally by: Gaogan Originally by: Liyanna Cut the BS on the forums. Unless you wanna give me my ISK back. It wasn't the same scam but this person is definitely a scammer, quite the audacity to try and show up on the forums. Liyanna is Mireya Solid on another toon? Seriously you tard, shut up and bugger off, you are so full of it you turn my stomach. Sounds to me like you're the alt. Last night I attempted to help him with a courrier mission. I had a bad feeling about it, but it was late and I resolved to check through it as closely as I could. I'd never used the courrier system since the new contracts though and I fell for a scam. Cost me a billion ISK. So please. Take your uncalled for commentary and shove it. because your attitude after the fact is uncalled for and unwelcome. I take responsibility for my actions, but I don't expect to be scammed and called a liar about it.
Esaka Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.26 23:36:00 - [42] Is that really ok with CCP that you threaten other players to report them and get 'em banned for something you clearly know it is in no way a bannable offence? -------------------------------------- Agent & Mission-Info: http://www.eveinfo.com Evewide Market-Info: http://eve-central.com/
Liyanna	Posted - 2007.01.26 23:55:00 - [43] Originally by: Esaka Is that really ok with CCP that you threaten other players to report them and get 'em banned for something you clearly know it is in no way a bannable offence? I don't know if you're talking to me, but if you are. My original comment to the scammer was that if he's gonna post in this thread like he's an honest merchant, he can return the collateral he said he would the moment before he logged off. The best part of this is, the guy didn't even have the decency of telling me he scammed me before I made the 12 jumps in my freighter to assist him, and even after I caught on he said. Where are my mods, let me complete the contract so I get my stuff back and can give you your money logs off. Scamming happens, yes. I've avoided it for 3 years. But people letting others know when someone scams is also something that happens. I looked at his character, was a year old. Had a previous corp history. The contract was as far as I knew legitimate. It had a payment, location, destination, items, collateral. He had a reasonable reason. There were opportunities for me to know better and I in fact backed out, but it was late and I fell for his guilt move at me leaving him hanging. What I don't expect is to come on here and have someone accuse me of lying about it. Or see the scammer on here with the audacity to be posting as if he's innocent. I mean, what's next. Is he gonna write a book called. "If I did scam you, this is how I would have done it"
Esaka Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.27 16:03:00 - [44] I'm talking about: " Mireya Solid > I KNOW GM's Mireya Solid > ILL GET YOU BANED " Which sounds to me pretty close to impersonating a GM. -------------------------------------- Agent & Mission-Info: http://www.eveinfo.com Evewide Market-Info: http://eve-central.com/
Arain	Posted - 2007.01.28 02:59:00 - [45] Lets face it the Devs of this game enjoy bringing out the worst in people. They purposely put things in the game to make it easy for players to grief each other. Lie, cheat, steal and especially kill others thats the only important thing in their game design. They are fortunate in that they have no viable competition currently so thier player base is safe. One day this might change and perhaps they will be forced as other game designers have been in the past, to change thier mindset. Time will tell. In the mean time, if you don't enjoy being griefed so some other person can get his jollies, look at every other person in the game who you do not know well in real life as a liar, a cheat and a thief not to mention a serial killer and you might have half a chance.
0o0Preatorian0o0 mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.01.28 04:02:00 - [46] THIS GUYS IS A SCAM!!!! He tried to scam me in jita trying to get the stuff to nonni, said he couldnt do it due to crashing, and had to get it to his friend and he was -10 blah blah blah. THIS guy will scam you.. and you will loose 1BIL isk and loose your time!
darklegionca Caldari Galactica Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.01.28 04:23:00 - [47] lol @ telling him he will be banned for 100 years thats just a sign hes bsing ------------------------------------ darklegionca - One name. One legend.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.01.28 04:27:00 - [48] Originally by: Arain Lets face it the Devs of this game enjoy bringing out the worst in people. They purposely put things in the game to make it easy for players to grief each other. And yet those same players have a choice to not do that stuff.. Hmmmmm.. Think maybe someones not quite getting the point of EvE.. It's a Sandbox Game.. KALI:Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Celestal	Posted - 2007.01.28 04:37:00 - [49] LOL a freeform contract explicity says " you will pay xxxx isk , the maker of the contract can give you whatever he wants , or nothing , his decision after you have paid " . the only reason for freeform is to scam , there is no ther reason . we need a " never ever , i mean never show a freeform contract , ever " button . there is absolutely no reason for any buyer to ever contemplate accepting a freeform contract . Seriously in real life if someone said to you , " give me everything i ask for/do everything I tell you to , you reward will be anything I decide at the end of your work , or nothing " and you acceppted , then you are a fkking idiot , or a retard . so why do it in eve ?
James Duar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.01.28 07:05:00 - [50] Originally by: Celestal LOL a freeform contract explicity says " you will pay xxxx isk , the maker of the contract can give you whatever he wants , or nothing , his decision after you have paid " . the only reason for freeform is to scam , there is no ther reason . we need a " never ever , i mean never show a freeform contract , ever " button . there is absolutely no reason for any buyer to ever contemplate accepting a freeform contract . Seriously in real life if someone said to you , " give me everything i ask for/do everything I tell you to , you reward will be anything I decide at the end of your work , or nothing " and you acceppted , then you are a fkking idiot , or a retard . so why do it in eve ? This is a pretty good point. There is absolutely no reason for freeform contracts to exist other then to enable scamming. Which makes me sad because when I first heard about them I thought there was a thin chance it might be a way to setup automated mineral purchases or similar intra-corp or intra-alliance. But no - sigh.

Emperor Exodus Viziam	Posted - 2007.01.28 11:11:00 - [51] bha if ccp will do nothing against scammer maybe people can.. just tell all your corp and alliance and your friends his name. If the information goes well maybe the worst scammer will be just ignored by everybody...
Sixtyniner The Movement	Posted - 2007.01.28 14:28:00 - [52] Scamming is a part of the game imo. Just like you acutally _can_ kill someone in 1.0, even though there are Concord in space. That¦s what makes EVE what it is. I love the fact that there are a bunch of mean guys trying to scam and/or kill you, and I really hope that CCP doesn¦t implent some lame-ass game mechanics to prevent this! Restrictions within game mechanics is bad, m¦kay? :D
ALPHA12125 Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.28 14:41:00 - [53] Originally by: James Duar Originally by: Celestal LOL a freeform contract explicity says " you will pay xxxx isk , the maker of the contract can give you whatever he wants , or nothing , his decision after you have paid " . the only reason for freeform is to scam , there is no ther reason . we need a " never ever , i mean never show a freeform contract , ever " button . there is absolutely no reason for any buyer to ever contemplate accepting a freeform contract . Seriously in real life if someone said to you , " give me everything i ask for/do everything I tell you to , you reward will be anything I decide at the end of your work , or nothing " and you acceppted , then you are a fkking idiot , or a retard . so why do it in eve ? This is a pretty good point. There is absolutely no reason for freeform contracts to exist other then to enable scamming. Which makes me sad because when I first heard about them I thought there was a thin chance it might be a way to setup automated mineral purchases or similar intra-corp or intra-alliance. But no - sigh. actually its a pretty nice tool to setup intercorp contracts like refuel pos here or bring supplies there and tehn do this and that. but people learn fast to take advantage :D
Lireil Crow Solar Storm X-PACT	Posted - 2007.01.28 15:08:00 - [54] I will tell you very easy and clear how not to be scammed. 1) Read close, always read, it if says freeform it means just that, you can TYPE, anything you like in there, meaning you are giving or given money on nothing but words. No items will ever exchange hands in this type of contracts Always make sure you look at the TYPE!, this will take you what type of contract it is, Item Exchange is what you are looking for to exchange items, if there is more than one it will say UP TOP [Multiple items] (Item Exchange), always make sure the type is right, the items are there, (it will list the items in a database like state) giving you full list of info.. It will not be a "clickable" link.. 2) If there asking for isk first, its 99.99% a scam, Always get them to contract you the item with how much they want for it, and make sure its a ITEM EXCHANGE contract... 3) Never go by what the Description says, always go by whats the contract is for by looking at the very bottom, it will ALWAYS SAY! if its more than one item it will always say if its a BPO or BPC, it will say how much ME or PE it is. ALL YOUR INFO is listed by default and there is no way you can change this info. SO READ!! READ!! READ!! (really devs you can take the description out on item exchange's, don't need them) 4) Never and I MEAN NEVER!!!! accept a contract if the person says accept it and give hem something back.. The person who set the contract can remove it and reset it if something isn't right about the contract. Don't let them tell you other wise, if they do there trying to scam you. 5) People will do a lot of things to get free isk, (fake IPO's, scams and so on and so forth), its easy as this. If someone wants to start an IPO before CCP puts the right tools in game for something like this its on them, don't give it to them. Just take the time a read for a few secs and your wont get scammed. 95% of everyone who gets scammed can avoid it by reading something for 5 secs. Prove me wrong. So everyone do something for me, READ WHAT INFO IS GIVEN TO YOU!, make sure it is what it says it is. IF its links and text, thats just what your going to get, a few links and a few words, and someone laughing at you because you just got scammed. I hope this helps someone, and remember to just READ!!! and you wont be scamed.


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