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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.12.08 10:40:00 -
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"josephine dear, you'll never get in BS. Its simply not you, besides, your bum would look to big in it.
Frigates are better, everyone knows that..and they're more complimentary on the figure... "
*sniffs* yeah but they are nerfing my Kestrel into a sittin' duck now... ;.;
... oh well, i guess with the way the prices are skyrocketing and how the nerf bat swings around it's not like i'll be flying anything better or bigger than a trashcan, anyway... --;;
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.12.08 10:43:00 -
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Kestrel nerf? How so?
Thats a disgrace if its true!
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.12.08 10:49:00 -
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... Well, more like Caldari nerf in general. The speed boosters have their effect proportional to mass of the ships, and Caldari ships are heavy... the results are kinda drastic. Check the Ships and Modules section stickies for details. :/
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.12.08 10:50:00 -
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Edited by: Miso on 08/12/2003 10:51:10
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... Well, more like Caldari nerf in general. The speed boosters have their effect proportional to mass of the ships, and Caldari ships are heavy... the results are kinda drastic. Check the Ships and Modules section stickies for details. :/
j0sephine in a rifter!! Yeah!!
thanks, I'll check it out...
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Gan Ning
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Posted - 2003.12.08 10:51:00 -
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There is bistot out there, not a lot of it, but there is enough to drive the price of mega down.
The problem is people, no one wants to mine Bistot 25 jumps from a station.
I spent 3 days mining Bistot and transporting it myself, so I was killing the 40-50k pirates, mining and transporting 25 jumps, not to mention risking loosing everything should I run into a pirate blockade.
And when I got to Empire space to sell the Mega and Zyd, people had the CHEEK to try and dictate the price to me! ' megacyte is only worth 10k you rip off.'
I don't think so.
Want it cheaper, go mine it.
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Shock
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Posted - 2003.12.08 11:00:00 -
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Edited by: Shock on 08/12/2003 11:04:52
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Regarding megacyte shortage, high prices of BS etc...how about PvPing in something else other than a Battleship, for starters?
The rumour is there are other types of ship out there
I totally agree on this one. Only it's those stupid implants...
Perhaps if the game would give the player an option to remove them for a sizeable cost, people would dare to fight again.
For all the people here saying that Techell as a large battleship manufacturer have no right to complain:
We are not the only battleship manufacturer in empire space. There are quite a few out there who are experiencing the same difficulty as we are. And if it has become very difficult for large corps, it must be almost impossible vor small corps and freelancers.
Besides: the battleship manufacturers buy 75 to 90% of all minerals mined in empire space. But if they can't sell battleships because they can't buy Megacyte or Zydrine, or people are not willing to pay the increasing prices, it suddenly becomes extremely difficult to sell your lower minerals as well. Quote:
I've been told by our sales staff that BS prices are starting to skyrocket. Good for folks who sell battleships,
Appearently you don't fully understand the situation. The prices are rising because of the increased cost of the minerals. This is eating away the profit. So manufacturers raise the price to keep the profit the same.
But this is in no way good for the manufacturer. They aren't making more money, they are making less. The amount of profit they make on every ship remains the same, only they are selling less because of the increased prices.
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.12.08 11:04:00 -
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Edited by: Miso on 08/12/2003 11:04:39
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[I totally agree on this one. Only it's those stupid implants...
I don't use implants myself for the very reason of poddings. Anyway, there should be a way to remove them, at cost, and then replace them later. People need to be able to PvP without feeling that the will lose alot - but then, its a double edged sword as inflicting losses on an enemy that are easily replaced kinda makes protracted PvP wars akin to sysyphus.
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KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2003.12.08 11:11:00 -
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I think what you see happening is that corps are keeping the mega and zyd for themselves and opting to buy 1 run bp copies.
If you couldn't acquire these, then you would see a lot more megacyte going on the market, or being traded to the production powerhouses.
With the mega and zyd supplies staying with the corps that aquire it, they see no difference in the market whatsoever.
Personally, I haven't a clue what the market in empire is. I hate the place, it's too dangrous.
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Zarquon Beeblebrox
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Posted - 2003.12.08 11:30:00 -
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Edited by: Zarquon Beeblebrox on 08/12/2003 11:32:04
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Edited by: Miso on 08/12/2003 11:04:39
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[I totally agree on this one. Only it's those stupid implants...
I don't use implants myself for the very reason of poddings. Anyway, there should be a way to remove them, at cost, and then replace them later. People need to be able to PvP without feeling that the will lose alot - but then, its a double edged sword as inflicting losses on an enemy that are easily replaced kinda makes protracted PvP wars akin to sysyphus.
I look at my implants as traning boosters i can turn on and off. (by buying them) When i need more intel and memory i buy them and use them, train skills wich have boosted traning time becouse of this implants.
I dont let them influence my game, if i loose them i have no need for new implants before i start traning skills matching any implants.
If there was a way to pay 4mil isk to tranin one skill in 3 days instead of 3.9 days. Im sure many of us would have payed that. If you look at it. Thats what you do with implants.
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Shock
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Posted - 2003.12.08 11:31:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Guerdo on 08/12/2003 10:22:00
I think i read somewhere in a review... i forget which mag it was in. But in it CCP stated that they were trying to break up the alliances because they are too powerful.
Now alliances are formed over mutual resource harvesting and working together to protect each others a$$.
Now throw into the equation "baby roid" factor.
Can you see where this is going?
If theres no resources left there is no need for these huge alliances to continue. The alliances then turn in on eachother to claim territory for when the Baby roid fixes itself so they can claim as much of it as poss. Which then leads to break down of alliances and internal wars. Ergo CCP accomplished what it setout to do. Distribute power among the up and coming corps and take some away from the already established alliances.
This is my take on it
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The farming in the pirate regions alone are enough to claim it.
And though the babyroids cause stress within the Alliances, shown by the EV-Omega troubles for example, it won't drivve them off those grouds.
And the fact they control the few megacyte and zydrine that's left will only make it more valuable.
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Arthur Guinness
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Posted - 2003.12.08 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: Archemedes on 08/12/2003 07:36:36
Maybe Stain or Curse should open up their "protectorates" to limited mining by outsiders? After all, THEY aren't mining those 50-hop systems, so let other people do it in a relatively safe area (since alliances tend to keep pirates out where possible) in exchange for a cut of the ore. But the important thing is for people to realize that if you have a good sized mining group, once the ore starts flowing mining 50 jumps out is just as profitable as 20. You need more haulers and it takes longer to set up the op, but once you start mining it WILL work.
you know the haulers you need for that want money too.
50 jumps ops aren't as profitable as 20jumps because you loose more time hauling = less money per time.
And saying that stain and curse should open the are for other miners ...... can't do that, as stain and curse (and catch) are war zones. You don't want to have miner in a warzone.
btw i think there might be a balance issue with profits, else more ppl would go and secure 0.0 space to mine ........ and it wont get any better ..
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Slithereen2
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Posted - 2003.12.08 11:37:00 -
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Regarding megacyte shortage, high prices of BS etc...how about PvPing in something else other than a Battleship, for starters?
The rumour is there are other types of ship out there
The problem is that there isn't enough people to fly those other ships...
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Slithereen2
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Posted - 2003.12.08 11:38:00 -
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Yes, I'm not sure why everyone seems to be under the delusion that you NEED a BS for pvp.
Just go to war in cruisers. Get a few Blackbirds, a Moa (or Maller), a Caracal and a couple of Kestrels and you have a great force.
People need to get this ship levelling idea out of their heads. The point of eve is NOT, I repeat NOT, to get into a BS as soon as possible.
Great force, yeah, until you meet an equal sized force in battleships.
You got a corp of 20 people let's say. You go to war. What ships do you prefer those 20 people to be in anyway?
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Der Ewige
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Posted - 2003.12.08 11:40:00 -
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Mega wont rise over 20k as long as ccp dont changes the price for a certent other product where u can get mega from.
Everybody knowing this product will agree and the rest will have to find out ;)
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2003.12.08 11:40:00 -
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Thats not the point. The point is that if you can't afford, or build the battleships you should not stop fighting. YOu should fight in other ships.
The changes on Chaos make frigates and cruisers very viable, anyhow.
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.12.08 11:42:00 -
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Yes, I'm not sure why everyone seems to be under the delusion that you NEED a BS for pvp.
Just go to war in cruisers. Get a few Blackbirds, a Moa (or Maller), a Caracal and a couple of Kestrels and you have a great force.
People need to get this ship levelling idea out of their heads. The point of eve is NOT, I repeat NOT, to get into a BS as soon as possible.
Great force, yeah, until you meet an equal sized force in battleships.
You got a corp of 20 people let's say. You go to war. What ships do you prefer those 20 people to be in anyway?
Its very easy to kill BS in frigs and cruisers. Its just that most people in Eve don't have the wit to do it.
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Slithereen2
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Posted - 2003.12.08 11:44:00 -
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The point is always about people. No matter what changes are made, there is always an inherent pecking order in ships that will be obeyed.
Smaller ships will always depend on numerical superiority to beat bigger ships. But numerical superiority won't be there because the game does not have enough players, period.
What happens in Chaos does not always translate to beneficial results in Transquility as we have often seen before.
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Slithereen2
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Posted - 2003.12.08 11:47:00 -
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Its very easy to kill BS in frigs and cruisers. Its just that most people in Eve don't have the wit to do it.
You mean it's easy to kill a BS if the BS pilot is a fool.
What if they're not I suppose.
Are you going to depend on that possibility?
What if, you pit a 500,000 skill point player in a cruiser against a 4 million point player in a battleship?
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2003.12.08 11:49:00 -
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Well you get that problem in any game. If for example, you pit a noob Counterstrike player against a person who has been playing for years (equivalent of eve high skilled player), the veteran will win over and over and over again.
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.12.08 11:50:00 -
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Its very easy to kill BS in frigs and cruisers. Its just that most people in Eve don't have the wit to do it.
You mean it's easy to kill a BS if the BS pilot is a fool.
What if they're not I suppose.
Are you going to depend on that possibility?
What if, you pit a 500,000 skill point player in a cruiser against a 4 million point player in a battleship?
Skill points are irrelevant. You can have 6m skill points and get your assed kicked by someone with 1m skill points, concentrated in gunnery and shields.
All I know is that I've ganked plenty of BS pilots in frigs and cruisers so it works for me. Not for me to decide their experience level, but they all can't have been crap.
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CHUMSICLE
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Posted - 2003.12.08 12:13:00 -
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"I don't know much about economy, but I foresee another big crash in the economy."
Another moron. The eve economy is doing what a real economy would do: its adjusting to the situation. Now go out and deal with it instead of whining about it and hope the devs fix problems the players have created for themselves. I just bought another 1500 mega for 8k/unit because unlike you, I have a CLUE.
Ye gods, the morons just drive me bat**** insane here.
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SwitchBl4d3
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Posted - 2003.12.08 12:15:00 -
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there are no economic polititians or any balance so of course it will keep going up.
even this foney pony emperour hasnt put restrictions on anything, just another thing not taken into account when creating the game..
oh yeah dont buss the player run economy lyric G
"Teh lord of Nonni"
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CHUMSICLE
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Posted - 2003.12.08 12:22:00 -
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Ok. Now after reading the thread, there are 2 camps of people. Those who understand economics, and those who don't.
It is a very simple thing, this economic concept of supply and demand.
The price of mega and zyd (zyd to a lesser extent) will continue to rise until it becomes profitable to haul the bistot 25+ jumps to the station, and/or pay the alliances for the privlage. The current low prices of minerals only (i repeat, because it bears repeating) ONLY existed because of certain NPC producted items such as giant secure cargo cans which was holding the prices of mega and zyd at < 11k and < 2k, respectively.
I really am sorry some people can't come to terms with the fact that eve has a realistic and vibrant economy. I personally find the eve market exciting and hillarious, it allows me to play the day trader role without using real life cash (and in a way, this kinda prepares me should i want to).
Please putup or shut the F U C K up. Do you want a real economy or do you want to be handheld and babied by the devs? Real life economics doesn't mean that everyone gets to play, its sink or swim. I choose to swim. What will you choose?
Sales Manager for Expanded Minds Inc - We suffer the tedium of R&D so you dont have to |
Gan Ning
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Posted - 2003.12.08 14:02:00 -
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I don't know much about economy, but I foresee another big crash in the economy.
Hehehe I know exactly what you mean but the way you put it just made me laugh. 
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IZON
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Posted - 2003.12.08 14:49:00 -
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Edited by: Shock on 08/12/2003 01:14:37
I don't know much about economy, but I foresee another big crash in the economy.
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Thelaina
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Posted - 2003.12.08 14:49:00 -
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Yeha, the first line of that made me laugh too. :P
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Monica Scuro
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Posted - 2003.12.08 15:00:00 -
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This is what economies do, the megacyte is supposed to be really rare, enjoy the diversity in the game its fun to have to find the megacyte and see the shortage!! Enjoy it and dont complain about it like its a game mechanic...
Another thing your ideas are based on battleships not selling resulting in the destruction of the market... Battleships did not sell when the game started, what makes you think that they will bring the market down like a pack of cards? There are other items for sale and there are still people mining Mega and Zydrine. Dont worry yourself over the market, when zydrine and mega runs out totally that will be funny, i would love to see how people would react to that. Probably "make more roids spawn in 1.0 space!!
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.12.08 16:31:00 -
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It's so fun to see a Techell whine. Perhaps you should come out of Algoville, into my warm tachyon lasers when you mine your minerals.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.12.08 17:44:00 -
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An example:
At PIE we have access to BS BP Copies. So we do build our own Battleships when we have collected enough minerals.
However we are not a particularly mining focused corp. Our players tend (on the whole) to make cash through NPC hunting and agent missions.
Therefore we often buy battleships for ISK and let others have to worry about the mining. Yes it may not be the cheapest way but it generally works and is convenient.
But now prices are skyrocketing. The gap between the 'convenient' solution and the 'cheap' solution is widening to the point where the benefits of the 'cheap' solution are starting to outweigh the benefits of the 'convenient' solution. Last week we bought 3 Armageddons at 54 million each. Last night I was quoted over 70 million each when trying to buy two of the same ships.
What this means is that we will have to mine more - and go those 20 jumps from stations and risk pirate blockades.
In turn this will decrease the demand for mega as we (and others) will be building our own BS.
In addition other people will look at the rewards to be made from mining mega for resale and balance that up with the hassle and risks of 0.0.
As both or these take effect the mega supply will increase and the demand will stabilise or drop - we will reach a new equilibrium!
Techell - if you really want to make money then you can't just build ships anymore - you need to go out there and mine the mega too...
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Drethen Nerevitas
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Posted - 2003.12.08 20:05:00 -
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Techell - if you really want to make money then you can't just build ships anymore - you need to go out there and mine the mega too...
Nope. They could pay the mega prices and inflate their BS prices accordingly. Though they'd still make the same profits.
Demand? If you can't get people to buy BS at the inflated prices, maybe you shouldn't be in the market? 
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