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Nemesor Gallente Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.29 05:48:00 - [1] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Clear enough for everyone? It should be clear, Jade. I have a feeling a certain "Cleric" will rear his rather unattractive head to try and muddy up the waters as always.
Nemesor Gallente Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.29 17:17:00 - [2] Quote from: Malcoria Quote: snipped random threats and general justifications. Malcoria We know who your business associates are Malcoria. We know who you are trying to protect and yes, its entirely likely we can't hurt you in space but we sure can sure eliminate the vessels and pride and organisation of the people you care about. As you suggested we did some research into your past campaigns and came up with some interesting corrospondences with particular note to your support of Amarrian Paramilitaries and attempts to sabotage the campaigns of their foes. This particular statement was interesting: Quote: "The Deathwalkers have declared war on Dark Seraph an Amarr corporation of fanatics. Our client who has asked to remain nameless is a businessman who enjoys substantial trade with Amarr. These fanatics want to return to the past when Amarr was isolationist. This will hurt business and must prevented. Deathwalkers will be working with two other small mercenary corporations to attack Dark Seraph assets in Amarr space. In the past we've operated by taking corp assets via infiltration. While we have not infiltrated this corp we have managed entry to a close ally and will use this to our benefit. Our client demands these fanatics crawl back in the hole where they came from and leave Amarr a strong economic business partner. Liberia. Deathwalkers."] From which we draw a conclusion that you are making your "threat" now to protect these same Amarri-loving Businessmen and Slaver interests you've previously infiltrated for. As an aside we've been offered intelligence from our sources that the unnamed businessman referenced in the Deathstalkers vs DarkSeraph declaration above was none other than ex Taggart Transdimensional director Calladen Nimitz who is now the leading shareholder in a corporation called Sovereign Labs which is itself a wholey-owned subsidary of Sovereign Enterprises - a Caldari Owned tech2 supply corporation based in Tash Murkon system doing considerable business with the Amarr paramilitaries and most interestingly of all ... one certain PIE Director named "Archbishop". There seems to be a direct connection here that leads us to conclude that your threats of infiltration and sabotage are no simple coincidence and that this posting of yours has been authorised by Calladen Nimitz and Sovereign Enterprises operating as a deniable dirty-tricks arm of PIE corporation. Interesting no? So yes Malcoria - Its easy to acknowledge that this "war" you declared will see not action in space involving Deathwalker assets. But its certainly going to see the casualties mount when the time comes to punish the Amarri paramilities in PIE corporation for your involvement.
Nemesor Gallente Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.29 18:17:00 - [3] Originally by: Merdaneth Originally by: Nemesor But its certainly going to see the casualties mount when the time comes to punish the Amarri paramilities in PIE corporation for your involvement. Does this mean you are going to attack me for the involvement of a person I don't know and have never heard of before? I thought Star Fraction believed in individual responsibility. You hold me individually responsible for the acts of this man? How do you figure that? Nemesor: either you have gone mad, you don't adhere to SF principles, or you are just trying to confuse the issue. Which is it? Oh I have no desire to confuse the issue at all. I do not hold YOU responsible for the actions of this person. I do however, hold your organization responsible for its actions. Star Fraction has substancial evidence linking the Deathwalkers to Sovereign Enterprises... and from Sovereign Enterprises to PIE. In any conflict involving hired guns, one should strike at the master and not the Cats Paw. This is not about Star Fraction principles. It is about common sense.
Nemesor Gallente Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.29 19:17:00 - [4] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 29/01/2007 19:10:06 Originally by: Nemesor Originally by: Merdaneth Originally by: Nemesor But its certainly going to see the casualties mount when the time comes to punish the Amarri paramilities in PIE corporation for your involvement. Does this mean you are going to attack me for the involvement of a person I don't know and have never heard of before? I thought Star Fraction believed in individual responsibility. You hold me individually responsible for the acts of this man? How do you figure that? Nemesor: either you have gone mad, you don't adhere to SF principles, or you are just trying to confuse the issue. Which is it? Oh I have no desire to confuse the issue at all. I do not hold YOU responsible for the actions of this person. I do however, hold your organization responsible for its actions. Star Fraction has substancial evidence linking the Deathwalkers to Sovereign Enterprises... and from Sovereign Enterprises to PIE. In any conflict involving hired guns, one should strike at the master and not the Cats Paw. This is not about Star Fraction principles. It is about common sense. Although some personnel are involved in both organisations, Sovereign Enterprises is a publicly listed company, and is independent of PIE. As for these Deathwalkers, I hadn't even heard of them before today. So let's see your "substantial evidence". So you admit the connection between Sovereign and PIE then. Interesting. Evidence to follow.
Nemesor Gallente Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.29 19:46:00 - [5] Originally by: Merdaneth But, will you attack me just for membership of an organization? Will you attack me even though you know I have had no part in anything you want this punish this 'master' for? When you aligned yourself with your current organization, you made a choice to proclaim your support for them and their ideology. Unless of course, someone coerced you into it? Quote: I am exploring what 'individual responsibility' means to SF. From my understanding of SF principles, I would assume that SF would attack and punish the individuals that are responsible for such acts. You have placed yourself under the command of leadership that would lead you on a path into conflict with the Star Fraction. If you wish to avoid the consequences of this... you are encouraged to declare your 'individual responsibility' and leave them. Quote: Merely attacking anyone sharing a common denominator (such as a corp or a nation) with the responsible individuals would not be a sufficient reason for SF to attack such individuals. I assume this because thinking in terms of group responsibility would be avoided by SF members at all costs, after all, one of the points they are trying to make that for posthumans there is no such thing as 'group responisibility'. I would like nothing better than to simply purge the individuals responsible specifically. However, the reality is, the individuals will hide behind the meatshields you and your fellow followers provide them.
Nemesor Gallente Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.29 21:22:00 - [6] Originally by: Merdaneth Originally by: Nekumi Merdaneth, you and every member of PIE where on the list long before this happened. You haven't answered my question. You can of course put me on the list for different reasons (such as opposing you here, or spreading a different ideology), but I was wondering if you would put me on the list for the reason you mentioned. Especially since I have been in PIE for less than two weeks. Obviously I have got nothing to do with any of the machinations of which you speak. So, please, answer my question. You would be a valid target of war... because you made your choice when you signed your soul over to the vile worms you work for. Because you added your voice to the regressive principles for which they stand, I would shoot you as soon as look at you.
Nemesor Gallente Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.29 22:10:00 - [7] Edited by: Nemesor on 29/01/2007 22:07:04 Quote: Certainly this looks like an accusation and an implied threat. As a peaceful industrial company we are completely unable to defend ourselves against the likes of the Star Fraction. They've already stated they target weaker corporations and this would certainly be the case here. I do not think we have ever stated that we target weaker corporations. Taking a play directly out of Archbishops playbook I see? Hoping we wouldn't notice that jab amidst all the drivel you and he seem to relish spouting. Quote: As for turning over loyal agents you dont need to. Just present the evidence without revealing who they are. That should be sufficient to satisfy everyone who is as puzzled by this as I am. Certainly you can have no objection to that as long as your "agents" are not compromised? We have no need to expose the information at this point, moreover, it cannot be shared without exposing our operatives. Just be aware that the link in known. Originally by: Calladen Nimitz I had met Zolcan and his uncle Archbishop at a fundraiser for orphaned children several months earlier I am sure the event was profitable. How many children were sold in total? I am not suprised you made his aquaintance at such an event.
Nemesor Gallente Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.29 22:27:00 - [8] Edited by: Nemesor on 29/01/2007 22:24:50 Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Nemesor You would be a valid target of war... because you made your choice when you signed your soul over to the vile worms you work for. I'll be expecting your declaration shortly then. Do you read things before your sausage-like fingers start plugging away at your comms panel? All in good time worm. All in good time.
Nemesor Gallente Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.29 22:36:00 - [9] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 29/01/2007 22:27:06 Originally by: Nemesor Edited by: Nemesor on 29/01/2007 22:24:50 Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Nemesor You would be a valid target of war... because you made your choice when you signed your soul over to the vile worms you work for. I'll be expecting your declaration shortly then. Do you read things before your sausage-like fingers start plugging away at your comms panel? All in good time worm. All in good time. Once you've had a stiff drink to get over your fear, no doubt. I see why PIE keeps you around... humor is such a rare commodity these days. Just keep telling yourself whatever makes you sleep easier at night.
Nemesor Gallente Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.29 22:40:00 - [10] Edited by: Nemesor on 29/01/2007 22:43:54 Enough talk. Either you wait your turn like a good dog or issue a formal request for conflict with me personally. I will oblige you.
Nemesor Gallente Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.29 22:44:00 - [11] Edited by: Nemesor on 29/01/2007 22:43:09 Enough talk. Either you wait your turn like a good dog or issue a formal request for conflict with me personally. I will oblige you. You almost sound as though you're getting rattled. You should watch that, one day it will get you into trouble. I refer you to my previous post.
Nemesor Gallente Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.29 23:17:00 - [12] Originally by: Merdaneth Since you keep on avoiding a single straight answer, I'll have to take that as a 'yes'. How is me telling you "I would shoot you as soon as look at you" NOT a straight answer? Quote: BTW, according to your own philosophy, such a thing as 'signing over souls' is meaningless and void. Do SF believe people even have souls I have my own beliefs. Do not presume to tell me about "my" philosophy.
Nemesor Gallente Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.29 23:44:00 - [13] Since you obviously are fishing for something I will put this into as simple terms as possible. Q: would you attack me solely because I am a member of an organization that harbors an individual that you have an issue with? A: As long as there is a state of hostility between us and said individuals organization... YES. I am not sure WHAT cloning facility you spawned from last... but I would ask for a refund since your cognitive abilities are apparently hampered.

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