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Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.28 02:21:00 - [1] Quote: Nothing for it but die or bargain the TRS CEO opened local communications and enquired as to the ransom price the ôSoldiers of the Forgotten Abyssö would accept to cease fire and let the Dreadnaught escape. ôOne billion isk!ö They replied, temporarily reducing their volume of fire while ms Nuko considered the deal. ôDone, funds transferredö she calmly replied, and to their credit the pirates were as good as their word and kept the deal. I'm sure many pilots will be "freed" from the post-humanist level of their pods in space with ships bought from your donation to the pirates. Sponsoring piracy is something few reputable pilots would admit to yet here you seem to bask in the decision you made. A honorable decision would have been to allow the ship to be destroyed rather than knowingly fund that which he so adamantly opposes on its face. Pirates oppress, murder, deny free space travel, and you've just helped them in their mission which is 100% opposite of what you seek to portray as your own. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.28 03:52:00 - [2] Quote: 20,000 Star Fraction crewmen and women are worth more than 1billion isk. Other people are responsible for their own safety and taking their own precautions. This is the Star Fraction way and it has never changed. I was under several assumptions though based on previous Star Fraction comments. 1. You are post-humanist and "immortal" thus there are no "lives" to save. 2. You say there are no "weak" people thus these 20,000 people should've been able to defend themselves. This also raises an intersting point though. You claim the pod pilot "free captain" is the next step in evolution. You also claim the individual is the true source of power in the universe. Yet you admit you have "crew" that are at the whims and command decisions of others. Is this not a contradiction? After all you claim that even those who follow a specific Empire or Religious belief are not truly "free" even if they have made that decision themselves. Yet those crew that follow you and submit to your decisions are? This is a contradiction (it would seem). How do you explain it? Archbishop PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.28 14:06:00 - [3] Edited by: Archbishop on 28/01/2007 14:03:08 Quote: Our crews either share our ideals, willingly take our coin against the known risks or simply seek adventure in the inky deeps of space. In return for their service, we take steps to provide escape mechanisms for the crew and our freecaptains must make an individual choice as to the duty of care they owe their crews. The freecaptain in question weighed her own personal wealth, the situation in hand and the lives of the crew and chose the course of action that she took. If they share your ideals they should've told the captain to let the ship be destroyed rather than fund those who would oppress and kill people. They would readily acknowledge they didnt need "saving" as immortal freecaptains. If they "take your coin" then aren't they enslaved by the concept they must rely on others for support? You have claimed people who depend on others for defense (as in the KD and CYI wars) never learn to defend themselves. You have claimed there are no "weak" and those who are forced or choose to follow an ideology are repressed. Yet you "pay" people, forcing their dependence on "coin", thus economics. By fostering this way of doing things and forcing them to be "dependent" on you you're doing what you say you oppose. Are these people really "free" if they're dependent on others for defense OR finances? Using your own logic you should've let them be killed to force them to realize they should defend themselves. You have gone against everything you claim to stand for. But the reality is its just another way of supporting pirates to add to the list of things you've done in the past. Im starting to see a real pattern here. I'm sure I'll be called a "little mind", threatened with attack (as Jasmine did), told I am a slaver, called names and met with hurled insults. Thats fine. As a man of God I stand behind the truth and will not be silenced. You have failed to answer any questions merely typed long entries few can understand (look at all the people saying "what?"). Just admit who you are it makes it alot easier. Archbishop
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.28 14:38:00 - [4] Quote: I know this may be difficult for you to grasp Amarrian (I hope you don't consider that insulting) but for us human life is more important than isk and dealing with the immediate results of non-payment is more important than dealing what the future plans for what that isk might be used. But isn't that forcing "dependence" of others on you? You've claimed to have no problem killing those who defend locals against pirates because they need to defend themselves. Quote: Sable said: Vendrin û KD and the like were not shot at because they were forcing their beliefs on the pirates, but because they were propagating the ideal of dependency on the ôstateö and anti pirate organisations. As I have said, when you do this, you cause more harm than good. Defend a man and he is safe until you leave. Teach a man to defend himself and he is safe for his entire life. Very confusing. So you free people from financial dependence, yet pay them so they're depenedent on you, then save them from pirates killing the ship they're in, yet prevent others from killing pirates because they're dependent on them. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.28 14:45:00 - [5] Quote: At the moment thats you bascially and some more Amarrian's terrified (rightfully) that they will be next. Well life is never easy. If I'm defeated in war I'm defeated in war. Still it will not silence the truth here will it? Your actions and your ideology are contradicting each other plain and simple. You have failed to explain it calling it "word games". You simply dismiss anything anyone asks as being "small minded". Then you threaten people with attack who disagree with you. Sounds more a 0.0 attitude then a noble calling to "free" people doesn't it? Then again looking at your past I see that is where you came from. Its true that you've been a part of 0.0 alliances that have oppressed people, shot neutrals, held claimed space, engaged in large wars. I suppose you just "evolved" from that right? Then again I'm just a crazy old Amarrian so who cares what I think. I'd imagine you wont even respond to my posts anymore because I'm so simple minded? You don't care what my opinion is so I'm sure thats what you will do. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.28 14:55:00 - [6] Quote: What truth? You aren't even reading responses. You just keep repeating yourself over and over again like that's some how going to make what you say right. Show these contradictions, show the hypocrisy because so far you haven't done anything more than prattle on and on. Actually I did. Here in this thread. APPARENT HYPOCRITICAL ACTIONS I'm just saying they APPEAR to be at odds with each other. I'm not calling you a hypocrite. I'm hoping you can correct my misconceptions with a plain spoken common sense explanation someone like me with a "small mind" can understand. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.28 15:04:00 - [7] Quote: Don't imply I called you anything that I haven't thanks, it's dishonest. Actually that was Jasmine who said that my apologies. You're actually one of the more palatable Star Fraction posters. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.28 15:14:00 - [8] Either way I must depart it has been a stimulating conversation as always and very enlightening I'm sure for those who will read it in the future. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER

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