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Velsharoon Gallente Finite Horizon	Posted - 2007.01.30 17:54:00 - [31] I have read the thread and Im reading articles linked. Im probably taking a year out after this semester to work full time and prepare for a masters...and ofc be able to afford a sexy DX10 machine. And now im a sad panda...as I dont want Vista on my computer just to run shiny games. Im also one of those guys who dont care about shiney operating systems or their pretty desktops...I just want to listen to music, dl ** and play games. What the ** is wrong with MS :/ I would switch to Linux but im a moron and dont want hassle grrr
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 18:57:00 - [32] Originally by: Velsharoon I have read the thread and Im reading articles linked. Im probably taking a year out after this semester to work full time and prepare for a masters...and ofc be able to afford a sexy DX10 machine. And now im a sad panda...as I dont want Vista on my computer just to run shiny games. Im also one of those guys who dont care about shiney operating systems or their pretty desktops...I just want to listen to music, dl ** and play games. What the ** is wrong with MS :/ I would switch to Linux but im a moron and dont want hassle grrr Yah? -----------------------------------------------
Core Bash REQUIEM INC. Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.30 19:49:00 - [33] Honestly, I've been running Vista Business for a week now and I have virtually no complaints. I haven't run into any DRM problems, and it's nice to be running some desktop/visual enhancements that aren't 3rd party. Besides, someone just figured out how to circumvent all the DRM. Check slashdot. _
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.30 20:17:00 - [34] Originally by: Core Bash Honestly, I've been running Vista Business for a week now and I have virtually no complaints. I haven't run into any DRM problems, and it's nice to be running some desktop/visual enhancements that aren't 3rd party. Besides, someone just figured out how to circumvent all the DRM. Check slashdot. The DRM circumvention is an illegal hack of the operating system. If the guy posted it to the internet, he'd get sued to the ground in a heartbeat. I don't want to have to rely on breaking the law to control my own computer. -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Ciphero Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.01.30 21:07:00 - [35] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Nautikus btw, contrary to posters soon to talk, Windows != Evil. Don't like the DRM? Don't use DRM content. It's simple. The fact that you can't watch a HD-DVD on a non-HD monitor is most definatly a reason to lambaste Windows and vow never to use it again Microsoft fanboi............. I do hope you're joking. I'm no fan of MS (especially where DRM is concerned), but a response like that to a pretty balanced comment is exactly what the non-Windows community doesn't need to enhance its image.
Eclipsen413 Gallente The Last Ravens	Posted - 2007.01.30 21:51:00 - [36] i dont want to pay $200 for a new os that doesnt even do what i want it to, and i really hope someone makes a dx10 hack or sumthin for winxp so i can use my new Geforce 8800GTX
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.02 10:21:00 - [37] DS, I will thank you very much for the help and advice. You have made the decision for me to use my new spare computer for linux with a ubuntu build. Awesome writeup. Appreciated. Lets see if my sig can survive this round of *****ing There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus pwnt - Immy!!!11
MrTriggerHappy Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.02.02 10:53:00 - [38] Originally by: ThaMa Gebir DS, I will thank you very much for the help and advice. You have made the decision for me to use my new spare computer for linux with a ubuntu build. Awesome writeup. Appreciated. Woot, welcome to the wonderful world of Linux It will take a while, it will get frustrating.. but in the end you will get there. Buy books for help and ask on forums, most people generally help. My current rig has a HD for XP and one for Linux.. My new rig will pretty much be the same.. just the sod is I cant use my old HD's(Finally entering the world of SATA HD's, so that tells you how old my PC is!), change the hardware you need a new install for XP OEM. -------------------------------- My Comments in no way reflect my corp or alliance
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 11:17:00 - [39] Originally by: ThaMa Gebir DS, I will thank you very much for the help and advice. You have made the decision for me to use my new spare computer for linux with a ubuntu build. Awesome writeup. Appreciated. The best thing about Ubuntu is that using a LiveCD you can try whatever you want without installing a thing. You're limited only by the amount of RAM you have. Obviously you also can't install anything that requires a reboot, so you can't upgrade the kernel I would think. But that's about the only limitation -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Vladimir Ilych Gradient	Posted - 2007.02.02 12:44:00 - [40] Yay! Another VISTA thread. As posted before. I am running Vista x64 Enterprise. I do have a high spec dual core machine. Vista runs fine. Eve runs fine. Everything works fine. UAC is annoying but can be turned off. It found all my drivers. No Lunix distro has managed that on any PC i tried them on. VISTA updated my NVIDIA driver automatically with the latest version. Only one program I have loaded thus far has failed to work. That is my experience. If you haven't used it please be quiet.
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.02.02 12:57:00 - [41] Windows XP Pro + Litestep > Vista
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.02 13:05:00 - [42] Windows Vista ate my baby ---------- IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.02 13:15:00 - [43] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: ThaMa Gebir DS, I will thank you very much for the help and advice. You have made the decision for me to use my new spare computer for linux with a ubuntu build. Awesome writeup. Appreciated. The best thing about Ubuntu is that using a LiveCD you can try whatever you want without installing a thing. You're limited only by the amount of RAM you have. Obviously you also can't install anything that requires a reboot, so you can't upgrade the kernel I would think. But that's about the only limitation Aye granted however I figure that the computer I will have (when I get the new one for XP) will be completely free to use and screw up like there is no tomorrow, thus it will be my guinea pig. All good and I like to play. Lets see if my sig can survive this round of *****ing There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus pwnt - Immy!!!11
Frezik Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.02 14:41:00 - [44] Originally by: Ciphero btw, contrary to posters soon to talk, Windows != Evil. Don't like the DRM? Don't use DRM content. It's simple. The fact that you can't watch a HD-DVD on a non-HD monitor is most definatly a reason to lambaste Windows and vow never to use it again You can't just ignore DRM that way. You'll be hit with Vista's DRM problems even if you never install it. That's because Microsoft's hardware certification imposes requirements that greatly increase the cost to design and build hardware, and that price will be passed on to the consumer. Thus, it doesn't matter if you don't use and HD-DVD. It doesn't matter if you never illegally copy a movie. It doesn't matter if you never install Vista at all. The increased hardware costs will still hit you. The only way I see this not happening is if Vista gains little market share and Windows overall loses significant market share to some alternative (I don't care if that alternative is Linux or Apple or something else). Vista's benefits are in the "kinda cool" range. It's costs are skyhigh for reasons that may not be apparent just from installing and using it for a few days. I've been out of "Linux Zealot" stage for a while now. I didn't particularly care what people used. I have my Gentoo system customized just the way I like it, and get most of my real work done on it. Outside of gaming, what happened in Windows didn't affect me, and I stopped caring if Linux took away its desktop market share. No more. The increased hardware costs will affect me even if I don't install Vista. As far as I'm concerned, the Windows world didn't keep its side of the bargain to let me work in peace. Time to bring back the zealotry.
FooB2 Caldari Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:49:00 - [45] Originally by: R'adeh Anyone got any good tips for a Linux distro which will allow me to play EVE? I don't have extensive Linux knowledge, but I'm not a computer noob and I learn pretty quickly... Gentoo? PCLinuxOS? Ubuntu? Kubuntu? I have an AMD 64 with an Nvidia 6800gt graphics card and a (shiver) Netgear wireless adapter. I tried Gentoo a few years ago, and I really like that you could personalize everything, it just turned out that I spent more time getting that OS to work than actually working with the OS OPENSuSE 10.2, which is the current version, i have personally had EVE running on via cedega (ill see if i can find my screenshots of this later) with an approximate loss of 5-10 FPS compared to running on XP (on the same mahcine, via dual-boot). Basically, they can all do it, providing you install Cedega on it and providing you set all your drivers up right. the reason i recommend SuSE is because YasT2 does all this for you, maybe with a little help from www.linuxquestions.org. As DS is no doubt about to rampantly post after mine saying Ubuntu can do everything SuSE can and better... it probably can. just my experience is with SuSE not (newer versions of) Ubuntu. im used to my traditional "su" commands and not "sudo". a superficial difference, but its just annoying when i try install something on ubuntu and i forget about sudo, and im there typing "su" in constantly shouting "WHY THE **** ARENT YOU LOGGING ME IN" Signature removed, please avoid using images involving relgious symbols like that. -Ivan K
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 17:19:00 - [46] Originally by: FooB2 Originally by: R'adeh Anyone got any good tips for a Linux distro which will allow me to play EVE? I don't have extensive Linux knowledge, but I'm not a computer noob and I learn pretty quickly... Gentoo? PCLinuxOS? Ubuntu? Kubuntu? I have an AMD 64 with an Nvidia 6800gt graphics card and a (shiver) Netgear wireless adapter. I tried Gentoo a few years ago, and I really like that you could personalize everything, it just turned out that I spent more time getting that OS to work than actually working with the OS OPENSuSE 10.2, which is the current version, i have personally had EVE running on via cedega (ill see if i can find my screenshots of this later) with an approximate loss of 5-10 FPS compared to running on XP (on the same mahcine, via dual-boot). Basically, they can all do it, providing you install Cedega on it and providing you set all your drivers up right. the reason i recommend SuSE is because YasT2 does all this for you, maybe with a little help from www.linuxquestions.org. As DS is no doubt about to rampantly post after mine saying Ubuntu can do everything SuSE can and better... it probably can. just my experience is with SuSE not (newer versions of) Ubuntu. im used to my traditional "su" commands and not "sudo". a superficial difference, but its just annoying when i try install something on ubuntu and i forget about sudo, and im there typing "su" in constantly shouting "WHY THE **** ARENT YOU LOGGING ME IN" Nah, SUSE is fine; heck it probably has newer packages considering the way Debian packaging works. By the way, sudo -s -H I believe logs you into root under Ubuntu. -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.02 17:40:00 - [47] Originally by: Dark Shikari By the way, sudo -s -H I believe logs you into root under Ubuntu. sudo -s starts a shell as the targetted user, using the current environment (just like the su command, by default its root). sudo -i will act as though you've actually just logged in as root, using root's launching root's default shell, loading any environmental settings and switching directory to /root (assuming you haven't changed that). Using sudo for superuser access has started to become the norm for "desktop" operating systems. OSX, Vista, Ubuntu and several other "user friendly" distros disable the administrator/root account and place "power users" or whatever nonlimited accounts are called on the sudoers list. UAC in vista is exactly like sudo - the problem is that permissions are rather screwed up in most windows operations and require root to lots of things that a proper unix style system would not require root for. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.02 18:35:00 - [48] The best thing about Vista is that if you sell the 1 package OEM version you don't have to give support on it! You Will Cry My Name
FooB2 Caldari Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.03 04:08:00 - [49] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: FooB2 Originally by: R'adeh Anyone got any good tips for a Linux distro which will allow me to play EVE? I don't have extensive Linux knowledge, but I'm not a computer noob and I learn pretty quickly... Gentoo? PCLinuxOS? Ubuntu? Kubuntu? I have an AMD 64 with an Nvidia 6800gt graphics card and a (shiver) Netgear wireless adapter. I tried Gentoo a few years ago, and I really like that you could personalize everything, it just turned out that I spent more time getting that OS to work than actually working with the OS OPENSuSE 10.2, which is the current version, i have personally had EVE running on via cedega (ill see if i can find my screenshots of this later) with an approximate loss of 5-10 FPS compared to running on XP (on the same mahcine, via dual-boot). Basically, they can all do it, providing you install Cedega on it and providing you set all your drivers up right. the reason i recommend SuSE is because YasT2 does all this for you, maybe with a little help from www.linuxquestions.org. As DS is no doubt about to rampantly post after mine saying Ubuntu can do everything SuSE can and better... it probably can. just my experience is with SuSE not (newer versions of) Ubuntu. im used to my traditional "su" commands and not "sudo". a superficial difference, but its just annoying when i try install something on ubuntu and i forget about sudo, and im there typing "su" in constantly shouting "WHY THE **** ARENT YOU LOGGING ME IN" Nah, SUSE is fine; heck it probably has newer packages considering the way Debian packaging works. By the way, sudo -s -H I believe logs you into root under Ubuntu. afaik you just ask someone on linuxquestions what the URL is for the update and just replace it with the URL thats already set for YasT2 to download its pacakges on. select all and set it going. come back some time later and voila, a system that works with everything installed including GFX drivers, audio drivers(if they werent already in), W32Codecs and pretty much any other propriety (sp, im currently very very drunnk) stuff that doesnt come with opensuse. after than, all you have to do is "sh /%path%/cedega.sh" (or whatever the file is), click OK a couple of times then open the eve installer .exe in cedega. 10 minutes and possibly a client update later, you're playing eve like it was on windows. Signature removed, please avoid using images involving relgious symbols like that. -Ivan K
Rift Scorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.03 11:55:00 - [50] Edited by: Rift Scorn on 03/02/2007 11:59:46 omg! 1st after f00b's second post!! On a relatively serious note. I'm pretty much a PC noob. I dunno what DRM is or OEM. There seems to be a lot of hating MS and i squarley fall into the category of casual end user. I've read the Tom's guide, and it was pretty interesting. I've got a 2.4 Intell, with 1GB DDR and an Nvidia 5900 Ultra card. So as anyone can tell this machines a bit dated now compared to what it was 3-4 years ago, but i just finished my degree and can't afford a new one yet until i A) pay back my student loan B) get paid enough to ful-fill A and save up enough pennies for a new machine. I installed just the Home Basic version of Vista, no whistles and bells, and although it was fun (to say the least!) finding a driver for an FX series card i've not really noticed a massive drop in performance. my UT is suffering a bit but i jsut figured that was new drivers not being well optimized to Vista yet? and no real drop in FPS in EvE. can any explain in basic 'i don't have a computer science's degree'/idiot's reason as to why it's bad? or at least throw me a few links that will explain it to meh. Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 12:13:00 - [51] Originally by: Rift Scorn can any explain in basic 'i don't have a computer science's degree'/idiot's reason as to why it's bad? or at least throw me a few links that will explain it to meh. DRM = Digital Rights Management, a euphamism for restrictions on the consumer in the name of "copy protection". For example, the fact that you can't use your iTunes music on a Zune is an effect of DRM. This kind of DRM is often used for monopolistic purposes, for obvious reasons. This website is somewhat long, but has good explanations (far better than I could do) for many of the reasons why Vista is bad. Plus your computer won't even run it that well, so for performance alone I'd recommend against it for you. -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Rift Scorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.03 14:47:00 - [52] That's a low-tech answer enough for me!! cheers DS. I'll give that linkeh a read aswell. ta. Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03
Stickleback	Posted - 2007.02.03 16:55:00 - [53] After reading all this, I downloaded the Ubuntu live CD, had a play and thought it was worth making another partition and installing it properly dual booting it with windows for a while.... ...then I had a problem because I have a Promise FastTrak S150 TX2 RAID card, the only Linux drivers I seem to be able to find for it are here but they all seem to be exclusively for SUSE or Red Hat. I don't want to scrub the array, am I stuffed or is there a way around this? Or will these drivers work?
hired goon Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.03 17:57:00 - [54] Edited by: hired goon on 03/02/2007 17:54:25 DS has won this thread. I actually got my dual-boot going with Kubuntu after hearing of Vista's twisted magicks. Would it be ok Dark, if I dropped you a convo or eve-mail at some point? I am learning the tux ropes but got a little flummoxed with WINE and still don't understand the konsole monster that well. As for cr@cking Vista - it's the only real way I'll ever use it. No way is Microsoft getting my money for this; infact I'm surprised they aren't paying people to go out of their way by having it on their system. For those of you that are worried any site posting Vista-cr@cking guides will be shut down (which is very likely), you might find something on Freenet - a kind of anonymous underground peer-to-peer internet that's totally encrypted. Try to avoid the pedophilia though lol. ...unless that's your bag. edit: wordfilterowned -omg-
Richard Masterson FW Inc Kith of Venal	Posted - 2007.02.03 19:22:00 - [55] I just installed Windows XP x64 and I love it. It's stupid fast. x64 initially got poor reviews because there was a lack of drivers available for hardware. By the time developers put them out, the buzz was about Vista, so no one mentioned the proper support that XP x64 has. I am now running 4 GB of RAM (take THAT, x86!) and have had zero trouble finding drivers. And to top that off, you can now pick up a copy of XP x64 for less than half the pre-Vista price. I got mine for about $140. I won't be upgrading (downgrading?) to Vista anytime soon. In fact, I'm thinking about partitioning my laptop's HDD and installing Linux. . .
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 19:40:00 - [56] Originally by: Stickleback After reading all this, I downloaded the Ubuntu live CD, had a play and thought it was worth making another partition and installing it properly dual booting it with windows for a while.... ...then I had a problem because I have a Promise FastTrak S150 TX2 RAID card, the only Linux drivers I seem to be able to find for it are here but they all seem to be exclusively for SUSE or Red Hat. I don't want to scrub the array, am I stuffed or is there a way around this? Or will these drivers work? Well you could try extracting the SUSE driver and installing it somehow hackily, or downloading and compiling the source. 'course you could also try SUSE. Its not bad at all. -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
FooB2 Caldari Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.04 11:23:00 - [57] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Stickleback After reading all this, I downloaded the Ubuntu live CD, had a play and thought it was worth making another partition and installing it properly dual booting it with windows for a while.... ...then I had a problem because I have a Promise FastTrak S150 TX2 RAID card, the only Linux drivers I seem to be able to find for it are here but they all seem to be exclusively for SUSE or Red Hat. I don't want to scrub the array, am I stuffed or is there a way around this? Or will these drivers work? Well you could try extracting the SUSE driver and installing it somehow hackily, or downloading and compiling the source. 'course you could also try SUSE. Its not bad at all. i am to SuSE what DS is to ubuntu, a <nix> Fanboi. maybe minus a few "linux IQ points". in noobtastic terms, ive always found the best solution for dual booting was two seperate hard drives rather than partitions, because that way if something goes unexpectedly wrong, you can just disconnect the one you dont want buggered with and nothing can go wrong with it. i learned that the hard way. As for worrying about using SuSE over ubuntu, dont. to a noobular user, any distro is the same as the next, the only real difference is the way it physically looks. however, everything works in exactly the same way (well, instead of using sudo in terminal for ubtuntu, you type "su" then a password, then whatever you want to do). The default desktop eviroment for SuSE is KDE, which will look like THIS. this may be alright for you, but i dont personally like it. when you install the OS you can pick which ones you want to install, and then when you log into your desktop account you can choose which eviroment to use. Ubuntu uses GNOME (which i prefer, mainly because it looks far cooler and tidier) which looks like THIS. also, get an account at www.linuxquestions.org because its a site with a forum dedicated to solving all your troubles with any distro. regardless of how nubtastic the question may be. i think my first ever question to them was when i bought Mandrake 10 from ebay for 10p as i had a spare machine. this was years ago. i asked them what "su" did. what is wierd though, that was the first time id ever picked up a linux distro, and i got ATi drivers working on it, by myself no hassle. since then every single incarnation of linux that didnt do it for me i havent been able to install them on. i still to this day have no idea what i did, and i refuse to acknowledge that it was because Mandrake was "good". Signature removed, please avoid using images involving relgious symbols like that. -Ivan K
FooB2 Caldari Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.04 11:33:00 - [58] Originally by: Rift Scorn Edited by: Rift Scorn on 03/02/2007 11:59:46 omg! 1st after f00b's second post!! On a relatively serious note. I'm pretty much a PC noob. I dunno what DRM is or OEM. There seems to be a lot of hating MS and i squarley fall into the category of casual end user. I've read the Tom's guide, and it was pretty interesting. I've got a 2.4 Intell, with 1GB DDR and an Nvidia 5900 Ultra card. So as anyone can tell this machines a bit dated now compared to what it was 3-4 years ago, but i just finished my degree and can't afford a new one yet until i A) pay back my student loan B) get paid enough to ful-fill A and save up enough pennies for a new machine. I installed just the Home Basic version of Vista, no whistles and bells, and although it was fun (to say the least!) finding a driver for an FX series card i've not really noticed a massive drop in performance. my UT is suffering a bit but i jsut figured that was new drivers not being well optimized to Vista yet? and no real drop in FPS in EvE. can any explain in basic 'i don't have a computer science's degree'/idiot's reason as to why it's bad? or at least throw me a few links that will explain it to meh. as for this, if you use linux the "ladeez will think ur oober c00l coz ur cleva and use linux" but really, id say use it for performance issues. vista will excrete all over your currently hardware and it wont quit till you spend 4 grand on some already-obsolete hardware. i havent dont any kind of official learning in linux, i learned it the same way i, and everyone else here learned Windows. just install it and start using it. at this point, everyone has an old PC they used to play thier old games on (mine is currently my athlon 1.4 i used to play UT99 on). replace the now super-cheap parts you salvaged from it to put in your new machine and just go nuts. linux is like a MENSA puzzle. the complexity of it is actually its simplicity, but when you figure it out the ego kicks in and you feel super-brainy, and want to try every single MENSA puzzle around just to see how "brainy" you really are. by the time you've gone through a couple, you know enough to pick up the one you started with and go "why the hell was i so confused with this in the first place?" Signature removed, please avoid using images involving relgious symbols like that. -Ivan K
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.04 12:49:00 - [59] Originally by: FooB2 Originally by: Rift Scorn Edited by: Rift Scorn on 03/02/2007 11:59:46 omg! 1st after f00b's second post!! On a relatively serious note. I'm pretty much a PC noob. I dunno what DRM is or OEM. There seems to be a lot of hating MS and i squarley fall into the category of casual end user. I've read the Tom's guide, and it was pretty interesting. I've got a 2.4 Intell, with 1GB DDR and an Nvidia 5900 Ultra card. So as anyone can tell this machines a bit dated now compared to what it was 3-4 years ago, but i just finished my degree and can't afford a new one yet until i A) pay back my student loan B) get paid enough to ful-fill A and save up enough pennies for a new machine. I installed just the Home Basic version of Vista, no whistles and bells, and although it was fun (to say the least!) finding a driver for an FX series card i've not really noticed a massive drop in performance. my UT is suffering a bit but i jsut figured that was new drivers not being well optimized to Vista yet? and no real drop in FPS in EvE. can any explain in basic 'i don't have a computer science's degree'/idiot's reason as to why it's bad? or at least throw me a few links that will explain it to meh. as for this, if you use linux the "ladeez will think ur oober c00l coz ur cleva and use linux" but really, id say use it for performance issues. vista will excrete all over your currently hardware and it wont quit till you spend 4 grand on some already-obsolete hardware. i havent dont any kind of official learning in linux, i learned it the same way i, and everyone else here learned Windows. just install it and start using it. at this point, everyone has an old PC they used to play thier old games on (mine is currently my athlon 1.4 i used to play UT99 on). replace the now super-cheap parts you salvaged from it to put in your new machine and just go nuts. linux is like a MENSA puzzle. the complexity of it is actually its simplicity, but when you figure it out the ego kicks in and you feel super-brainy, and want to try every single MENSA puzzle around just to see how "brainy" you really are. by the time you've gone through a couple, you know enough to pick up the one you started with and go "why the hell was i so confused with this in the first place?" I like the sound of that. Lets see if my sig can survive this round of *****ing Funny, i'm still here - Petwraith There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus pwnt - Immy!!!11
elFarto New Order Industries	Posted - 2007.02.04 19:46:00 - [60] Originally by: Stickleback After reading all this, I downloaded the Ubuntu live CD, had a play and thought it was worth making another partition and installing it properly dual booting it with windows for a while.... ...then I had a problem because I have a Promise FastTrak S150 TX2 RAID card, the only Linux drivers I seem to be able to find for it are here but they all seem to be exclusively for SUSE or Red Hat. I don't want to scrub the array, am I stuffed or is there a way around this? Or will these drivers work? I've just checked the version of the kernel I have here, 2.6.19.1, and there are drivers for the 'Promise SATA TX2/TX4', which look like they'll do the job. Not sure how the kernel is setup on that disc, I'll look into it. Regards elFarto NPC database Mal: This is your captain speaking. We're having some technical difficulties, so we may experience some turbulence, and then explode.

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