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Vorada Kuvakei Illoren	Posted - 2007.01.28 00:09:00 - [1] My fellow Intaki, we are a people who are forsaken by many and suffer the worst of all people. Our worlds are plagued by massive drug cartels and our people are drowning in their poison. We have been left by our allies to fend for ourselves, and that is what we must do. For years I served as part of Mordu's Legion. I fought countless battles, and have seen what the corrupt and greedy can do to a person in the name of profit. After my service, I retired and began to enjoy a comfortable life in the Caldari State. However, my friends, my family... my people, all were suffering, and I could not idly sit by and allow it to continue. I have gathered friends, from the Legion and elsewhere, and we have all come together with one purpose, to protect the Intaki people from the criminals that seek to do us harm. Recently our people were subject to a new poison, known as Rise. This powerful hallucinogenic is claimed to induce pleasurable memories in the user, however it decays our minds, poisons us into living a false reality, and destroys the spirit of our people. The damage that this drug causes is dwarfed only by the one who has unleashed this upon the Intaki, Sundari Idama. One of our revered and honored reborn has become the source of suffering for her own people. This she-devil who prides herself on pleasure and other desires, has gone too far in her actions. She has surrounded herself with thugs and criminals, Drug Dealers, hitmen and others are the cohorts of this woman. To see that such suffering comes from this Idama pains me greatly. She has turned on her people, and endless suffering has occurred because of it. We are the Illoren, and we will bring peace and protection to Placid.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.28 00:16:00 - [2] What is the position of the Illoren on the Gallente Federation and the Intaki Question? Do you support the absolute principle of self-determination for the Intaki? The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Recruitment
Bruno Bonner Gallente Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.01.28 00:20:00 - [3] Does the Illoren wish to see Federation laws being applied properly and cooperate with Federation Authorities for a better Placid Region? ------ aka BinderAJ
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.28 00:24:00 - [4] Nice to meet you. I've heard wonderful things. Learn what it means to be Caldari with Omerta Syndicate
Verantas Ilmaran Euphoric Gaze	Posted - 2007.01.28 00:32:00 - [5] Vorada, how dare you speak so harshly of madam Sundari! The poison, as you call it, is a gift she has created for our people. Anyone can simply remember a good memory, but due to the work of Sundari, they can now relive the full pleasures of that experience. The effects of Rise cause one to truly feel as if that memory is taking place once again, only a fool denies themself such pleasure. The mistress has brought together myself and many others, we have struggled to meet the demands of the people for this and many other drugs which they desire so strongly. We do not force our goods on any Intaki, they openly choose to buy and use our products. You cannot, and will not deny us the right to give our people what they want.
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.01.28 00:34:00 - [6] Originally by: Vorada Kuvakei We are the Illoren, and we will bring peace and protection to Placid. That place would really badly need it. May well be harder than you thought. Good luck anyway. ATTACK, and crash: You lose. RUN, and crash: Why WIN?
Hin Vemere Stay Human.	Posted - 2007.01.28 00:39:00 - [7] Edited by: Hin Vemere on 28/01/2007 00:43:44 The Illoren was the name of an Intaki terrorist organisation. Suuji Praath of Placid Reborn was secretly a member until he turned to open piracy in Suffoco Noctis. This new drug must be opposed, but it looks to me like Placid Reborn is dealing with it already. I don't agree with everything they stand for but at least they're not terrorists. What is/was your relationship with Suuji Praath? And what tactics, specifically, will you use to 'protect' Placid?
GoGo Yubari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.28 00:45:00 - [8] Hmm. If I may suggest to both sides of this argument, as I already alluded to it in the other thread, that the Cosmopolite be allowed to look at the drug and analyze its exact effects (if he agrees to that, of course). Also, if you don't mind me continuing with this barrage of questions, what relation are you to our dear Vika Kuvakei?
Sundari Idama Euphoric Gaze	Posted - 2007.01.28 01:16:00 - [9] Gentlemen, please calm down. Vorada my dear man, I wish that you would take the time to speak with me and you would see that your reactions and anger are misplaced. Pleasure and joy are emotions that our people deserve to feel at any given time, why do you wish to stop that? You hurt me with your words, saying that I have poisoned our people and caused such endless suffering. You have been busy serving the Legion, you do not know what our people have suffered while you were gone, enjoying a much better life. I have brought endless joy to our people, I have given them a bottomless well from which they can drink their pleasures and escape from the sorrows that life can bring. You are a cruel man to wish to end this for them. Our people wanted, no, they needed Rise. If you wish to help Placid, then do not interfere with my organization's work as others have already done, and it is no doubt that it is YOU who corrupted their minds and turned them against me and our people! I have been done great harm by others already who turn a blind eye to the gift I given our people. Much work was lost when three pilots, acting on lies such as yours, destroyed a freighter carrying equipment to let us better produce Rise so that we could meet our peopleÆs demands for it. Vendrin, Nolin Riis, and Leth Orion have cost our people untold amounts of progress, joy, and happiness. Why? Why do you and others work to destroy what I have worked so long and hard to give our people? They did not have to accept my gift, but they did, and they did it by the thousands. Scholars, Philosophers, and even the common Intaki, felt as if they had risen to a new state of being. You and your kind will be the death of such progress. You will condemn us to never improve ourselves. If you believe in the growth of our people, then let me do my work, and do not interfere. I will not allow a vigilante like you to keep me from helping our people.
Vorada Kuvakei Illoren	Posted - 2007.01.28 01:56:00 - [10] Sundari Idama, your sweet words, which flow effortlessly from your poisoned lips, will not blind me as it has others. Your gift causes horribly depression when a person is in withdrawal, and those who become addicted will take it at such a pace, that they no longer live in reality, they are in a constant state of euphoria, and many die as a result. You are a dark and evil woman, you have abused your title and position to fulfill your own desires. You have organized the small-time drug peddling rabble, causing a greatly increased drug flow to our people, further damaging our future. The Illoren will not allow you and your ilk to continue to poison our people any more. This is your only chance to cease your organization's activities or we shall bring an end to your criminal activities ourselves.
Gorion Wassenar Caldari Tsurokigaarai	Posted - 2007.01.28 02:15:00 - [11] Here's a simple question. Is the final product/ingredients classified as illegal cargo to the local authorities? ----- results may vary
Nolin Riis Gallente Placid Reborn	Posted - 2007.01.28 04:00:00 - [12] Originally by: Gorion Wassenar Here's a simple question. Is the final product/ingredients classified as illegal cargo to the local authorities? How's Blue Pill, Crash, Crystal Egg, and Nerve Sticks to name a few? Honestly, I don't think there was a single common street drug that she didn't have enough of to fill up an Iteron. She said she needed them for 'research' but seriously, in that quantity without telling us? Never a threat, but always a thorn in the side.
Mebrithiel Ju'wien Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.28 05:10:00 - [13] Originally by: Nolin Riis She said she needed them for 'research' but seriously, in that quantity without telling us? You'd be suprised how much drugs test subjects can go through... www.eve-online.com/evetv
Vendrin Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.01.28 06:52:00 - [14] Interesting.. Another Kuvakei. _____________________________________ APEX Unlimited is recruiting. Join channel APEXCOM for information!
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr	Posted - 2007.01.28 07:38:00 - [15] Many drugs have claimed that they were "wanted" or "needed", but in the end any recreational drug has proven, in the end, to bring more harm than good. For the sake of the Intaki people I hope organisations in the region ***** down on this threat, because this drug sounds dangerous and incredibly addictive. Relive old memories as if they were real, when they're only recollections and no longer true? Nostalgia is dangerous enough without the aid of drugs. ...and no, the irony of me as an Amarr saying this is not lost on me, but while we Amarr remember the past with fondness our interests are always focused on the present and the future. ______________________________________________ -The more it changes, the more it stays the same. Mankind and all its activities. War and Peace, Love and Hate. Ever changing, ever the same.
Eden Ramani INTAKI UNION	Posted - 2007.01.28 08:15:00 - [16] Originally by: Nolin Riis Originally by: Gorion Wassenar Here's a simple question. Is the final product/ingredients classified as illegal cargo to the local authorities? How's Blue Pill, Crash, Crystal Egg, and Nerve Sticks to name a few? Honestly, I don't think there was a single common street drug that she didn't have enough of to fill up an Iteron. She said she needed them for 'research' but seriously, in that quantity without telling us? none of those are illegal in Placid, in fact few drugs are illegal in Placid and Syndicate. Intaki History Tomahawk's CYI movie
Usagi Tsukino Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.01.28 08:50:00 - [17] Just because something isn't illegal doesn't make it good for people. Drugs being fed to the people under false pretenses, especially by someone who holds such a high position of moral authority over the Intaki, is terrible. If IU had any interest in the Intaki people instead of just wanting to pew pew the Fedos, you'd see that. I'd even think the Star Fraction can appericate what Placid Reborn and Vendrin did, as this drug would have created a state of dependency by Sundari Idama; the Intaki people instead of facing and dealing with the realities of their existance would be spoonfed this drug freeing them from such realities and forcing them to be dependent on Sundari Idama for more and more. That's worse than ANY thing the Fed could do, and would place the Intaki people under the control of a few; namely Sundari Idama. --- Usagi Tsukino APEX Unlimited; Security Division
Gorion Wassenar Caldari Tsurokigaarai	Posted - 2007.01.28 09:34:00 - [18] Does that illegality of those items have more to do with the fact that much of Intaki space is lowsec or actually not considered illicit cargo? There is a difference between it actually being illegal and CONCORD/local police forces not enforcing the law. ----- results may vary
GoGo Yubari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.28 10:23:00 - [19] Originally by: Gorion Wassenar Does that illegality of those items have more to do with the fact that much of Intaki space is lowsec or actually not considered illicit cargo? There is a difference between it actually being illegal and CONCORD/local police forces not enforcing the law. Indeed. The same Federation laws should apply there, but because of inadequate policing they can't be enforced. The question is who's interests is this serving and who're actually upholding the status quo? I don't believe the answer to that question to be a simple one. The relationship between the Syndicate and the Federation is not clear-cut.
Tecam Hund Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.28 10:50:00 - [20] Decision to take or not to take drugs should be a personal responsibility of individual. Yes, this may develop dependency on Idama (as supplier), but so will dependency develop on the law enforcement to prevent the drug circulation. Personal judgment is first and last line of defense against this .
Usagi Tsukino Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.01.28 14:02:00 - [21] Originally by: Tecam Hund Decision to take or not to take drugs should be a personal responsibility of individual. Yes, this may develop dependency on Idama (as supplier), but so will dependency develop on the law enforcement to prevent the drug circulation. I agree with you to a point, except that when something like this comes from someone as revered as an Idama it would be hard for the Intaki to decide whether or not it's in their best interests to take this drug. Originally by: Tecam Hund Personal judgment is first and last line of defense against this . Personal judgement was used by Placid Reborn and Vendrin. They did what they believe was the right and just thing to do. --- Usagi Tsukino APEX Unlimited; Security Division
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2007.01.28 14:26:00 - [22] welcome to hell
Phantomas Gallente INTAKI UNION	Posted - 2007.01.29 02:18:00 - [23] We will investigate this matter.. we have sent messages to those involved. [2006.04.30 19:30:23] Vremaja Idama > For it is by men of action as yourself that we as Intaki will find our way into the future.
Gorion Wassenar Caldari Tsurokigaarai	Posted - 2007.01.29 07:36:00 - [24] Those who wear white as a sign of purity oftentimes use it conceal the darkest black in themselves is a proverb I once heard. After all, we're all just human. ----- results may vary
Romanov DeBeers Gallente Placid Reborn	Posted - 2007.01.29 12:30:00 - [25] Originally by: Eden Ramani none of those are illegal in Placid, in fact few drugs are illegal in Placid and Syndicate. This is actually not correct. Placid is Federation space so most drugs are illegal. However, the lack of Federation control in most of Placid allows drugs to be shipped without the authorities stepping in. Drugs moved through Stacmon would incur the interest of customs. It is not Placid Reborn's remit to apply Federation laws but we will protect the Intaki people. These drugs were destined for Intaki and Euphoric Gaze did not convince us that their new drug Rise would benefit our people.
Eden Ramani INTAKI UNION	Posted - 2007.01.29 19:41:00 - [26] Originally by: Romanov DeBeers Originally by: Eden Ramani none of those are illegal in Placid, in fact few drugs are illegal in Placid and Syndicate. This is actually not correct. Placid is Federation space so most drugs are illegal. However, the lack of Federation control in most of Placid allows drugs to be shipped without the authorities stepping in. Drugs moved through Stacmon would incur the interest of customs. It is not Placid Reborn's remit to apply Federation laws but we will protect the Intaki people. These drugs were destined for Intaki and Euphoric Gaze did not convince us that their new drug Rise would benefit our people. I disagree, looking at the items it shows legality as greater than 0.4. Just like these items are not illegal in Syndicate these items are not illegal in most of Placid or the system they(you) were in. That is how i see it, possibly a clarification would be in order? This may have been a hostile drug or it may have been an aid in attaining an altered state of mind for use through Ida. You donÆt know, you didnÆt know. Still there is no evidence one way or the other so far except hearsay and commentary. Intaki History Tomahawk's CYI movie
Jon Engel APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.01.30 17:59:00 - [27] If they were legal you could be able to sell them on the open market. YOur allowed to sell them in Syndicate on the open market, not anywhere in Federation Space is any Narcotic legal. Your argument is flawed, read the legality description under Gallente Federation, idiot.
Eden Ramani INTAKI UNION	Posted - 2007.01.30 20:30:00 - [28] Originally by: Jon Engel If they were legal you could be able to sell them on the open market. YOur allowed to sell them in Syndicate on the open market, not anywhere in Federation Space is any Narcotic legal. Your argument is flawed, read the legality description under Gallente Federation, idiot. I disagree narcotics are illegal in most of placid just as they are not at all illegal in any of syndicate. You know I've noticed twice now you and your caldari master have used the term "idiot" when you end your comments. You are hostile little men. If you are spoiling for a fight then please come out from under the protection of the Black Rabbits. I have no interest in fighting them but I certainly have an interest in fighting a traitor and attempted Idama assassin the likes of which populate your Federation front corporation, Apex Unlimited. Eden Ramani Follower of the Warrior Path Intaki History Tomahawk's CYI movie
Tomahawk Bliss	Posted - 2007.01.30 21:52:00 - [29] Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 30/01/2007 21:54:35 Apex Unlimited are not a threat to anyone or anything, yes they are loud mouths, yes they are annoying but their military capacity is still greatly reduced. Combined with their escape orientated tactics they are of little threat to anyone. We received communication from Project Gemini, who we are friendly towards, that they attacked Apex Unlimited and were quickly then counter-attacked by Black RabbitÆs alliance. Worse still this has protected an Apex unlimited Starbase structure which was slated to be removed. IÆd be curious to know why Black rabbits hadnÆt taken down the Apex POS yet but either way whatever symbiotic relationship the various non-patriot caldari/gurista groups have is of no interest to Intaki Union at this time. So Long as Apex Unlimited keeps their hostility to petty forum snipes they will be spared. They are of insufficient threat to waste the time and effort of hunting them down. Conversely Black Rabbits could potentially be a significant threat to the Intaki movement. We are concerned they are defending Federation Supporters (such as Apex Unlimited) but their past efforts at undermining the Federalist Pod pilotÆs attempt to impose their domination on Placid has earned them respect and the benefit of the doubt from Intaki Union. Perhaps a conflict with Apex will arise, perhaps not. I know IÆd certainly enjoy killing a few of Vendrin and JonÆs clones and undoubtedly they would relish the chance to consign my hide to the cold vacuum of space. Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel
Milonia Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.01.30 23:50:00 - [30] Edited by: Milonia on 30/01/2007 23:48:26 I am just as confused as you on why the Black Rabbits are coming to our aid. We are at war with the Black Rabbits and still are. Then Project Gemini declared war on us. Then a few days later, the Black Rabbits decalre war on Project Gemini. My assumption is that the Black Rabbits are NOT, I repeat, NOT coming to our "aid" as you put it; but in fact Project Gemini has quite a few enemies. That is your perogative to assume APEX Unlimited is of little threat to anyone. It is our perogative to prove you wrong. "One who ignores the unwanted sapling may be faced with a mighty oak to move later." ============================== Milonia Combat Pilot of the ACV Acadia (Moa) I'm new so be nice! "Talent is a gift... training opens the Box."
Tomahawk Bliss	Posted - 2007.01.31 02:54:00 - [31] Originally by: Milonia That is your perogative to assume APEX Unlimited is of little threat to anyone. It is our perogative to prove you wrong. bring it Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel
Nolin Riis Gallente Placid Reborn	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:39:00 - [32] Poor APEX. Ultra-nationalist tools of the Caldari one day, Federation front corporation the next. Anyway, arguing the technical illeagality of the cargo is a moot point. Had the route been entirely high-security Federation space, the customs department would have soon scrambled and forced the same decision on that freighter: hand over the cargo or the ship will be destroyed. Once her ship had been scrambled reduced to hull, we gave Sarpati Idama ten, possibly even twenty minutes for all hands to evacuate the ship. The deciding factor in the ship's destruction was the local pirates and Rabbits she began to call to the system. Never a threat, but always a thorn in the side.
Eden Ramani INTAKI UNION	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:37:00 - [33] Edited by: Eden Ramani on 31/01/2007 14:34:00 Originally by: Nolin Riis the technical illeagality of the cargo is a moot point. Had the route been entirely high-security Federation space, the customs department would have soon scrambled and forced the same decision on that freighter: hand over the cargo or the ship will be destroyed. You seek to enforce Federation laws, push their agenda? You admit to making a choice to enforcing Federation law outside of secure space and did so against one of your own Idama, and without any hard proof or even any circumstantial evidence of wrong doing. Intaki Union may have disagreed with some of what Vremaja Idama said but we never attacked him and our differences were greater than something as mundane as recrational drug use. If nothing else this is a clear beacon that you are supporters of Federation intrests and Federation law, even over your own people. Originally by: Nolin Riis Poor APEX. Federation front corporation the next. Their actions have consistently supported the Federation from attacking Freedom-thinking Idama while supporting Idama who are positive towards the Federation to enforcing the laws of the Federation in the frontier provinces of Federation space. They arenÆtÆ in Mito or other locations trying to support the State, they are running to Placid to help prop up the FederationÆs interests. Their words may say one thing, their description may say they support the State, but deed is how true value is judged not word. This is just another in a long list of choices they have made to support the FederationÆs interests and ideology. Intaki History Tomahawk's CYI movie
Jack Malus Gallente Phoenix Wing Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.01.31 15:05:00 - [34] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss stuff They way you phrase your words makes it sound like you think of them as your puppets to be ordered around Placid to exert your will. There is nothing in their charter that makes them predictable. In fact, I am perplexed that they are not shooting you. ---
Milonia Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:40:00 - [35] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss bring it I am not going to "bring" anything except logic and wisdom to your wrong assumptions of our organization. You may think APEX is small and of little threat. Apparantly my parable flew right over your head. It is of no matter. By your thinking, APEX will continue to be a loudmouth bunch of puppets that aren't really good for anything. Fine, perhaps that will keep everyone else out of our hair as we operate. And top say we support the Federation because we made a stand on illicit drugs is asinine! Just because two factions might share the same ideal does not mean we have any connection with the other. ============================== Milonia Combat Pilot of the ACV Acadia (Moa) I'm new so be nice! "Talent is a gift... training opens the Box."
Vendrin Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:54:00 - [36] Feel free to ignore members of Intaki Union Milonia, their asinine conspiracy theories are just that, theories, and not worth the time spent addressing them. _____________________________________ APEX Unlimited is recruiting. Join channel APEXCOM for information!
Tomahawk Bliss	Posted - 2007.01.31 18:19:00 - [37] Originally by: Jack Malus Edited by: Jack Malus on 31/01/2007 16:57:56 Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss stuff about Black Rabbits They way you phrase your words makes it sound like you think of them as your puppets to be ordered around Placid to exert your will. then you need to read better. they helped destroy CYI assets in Placid. for that they are owed a debt. go back to hiding under EM's skirts. Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel
Usagi Tsukino Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.01.31 18:32:00 - [38] Originally by: Eden Ramani Their actions have consistently supported the Federation from attacking Freedom-thinking Idama while supporting Idama who are positive towards the Federation to enforcing the laws of the Federation in the frontier provinces of Federation space. They arenÆtÆ in Mito or other locations trying to support the State, they are running to Placid to help prop up the FederationÆs interests. Their words may say one thing, their description may say they support the State, but deed is how true value is judged not word. This is just another in a long list of choices they have made to support the FederationÆs interests and ideology. VendrinÆs KOS status in the Federation and my just about KOS status (plus multiple arrest warrants) seem to contradict your claims. If you guys used logic and reasoning, you would be able to see the difference between ænot wanting every Fedo deadÆ and æbest friends to the Federation.Æ We look for and hope to see a free Intaki State. Having the Intaki people as both economical and military allies is in the best interest of every Caldari and the Intaki. But of course in your eyes, because we are not out there every day blowing up Fedos, we most certainly must be aligned with them. As for the Idama, IÆve seen the chat log and not once did Vendrin or Placid Reborn don a sheriffÆs hat and yell æstop in the name of the law!Æ The drug, like all others, was an enslavement device that would have destroyed the Intaki people. They did what they thought was right and was in the best interest of the Intaki; what I assume IU claims to be doing. IU, like most terrorist groups, serves their own interest first, and the interests of those they are allegedly fighting for, second. --- Usagi Tsukino APEX Unlimited; Security Division
Vendrin Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.01.31 19:10:00 - [39] Edited by: Vendrin on 31/01/2007 19:08:16 removed. _____________________________________ APEX Unlimited is recruiting. Join channel APEXCOM for information!
Vendrin Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.01.31 19:12:00 - [40] removed. _____________________________________ APEX Unlimited is recruiting. Join channel APEXCOM for information!
Phantomas Gallente INTAKI UNION	Posted - 2007.01.31 19:56:00 - [41] Originally by: Usagi Tsukino Vendrin will kill Federation people here are his papers! See.. SEE Usagi sways back and forth in corner You guys are stupid... STUPID we have friends in Federation groups so we don't want to shoot them just the bad Federation people.. you see... not the good ones Usagi Tsukino scratches at walls while muttering there is a difference... there is a difference... there is a dif... Yes we killed an Idama but not just because drugs are bad and illegal in Federation space... Besides she was Killing babies on her ship!! That's right she is a baby killer... small cry lets out from Usagi and continues to scratch walls fingers bleeding IU are the bad guys see look everyone look pulls out Bliss Bauble Head collectible! They are trying to paint us as Federation lap dogs Evil... Evil... Amarrian loyalists Usagi puts hands over ears and mutters to herself in dark corner Placid Reborn with much encouragement on Intaki Union's part finally admitted they are collaborators with the Federation... If Apex is truly not an agent for the Federation then they have a terrible habit of making friends then helping those friends against Caldari/Intaki interests. In my opinion they are confused, miserable creatures... the five pilots they have that is smiles -Phantomas [2006.04.30 19:30:23] Vremaja Idama > For it is by men of action as yourself that we as Intaki will find our way into the future.
Able Citizen Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.31 21:22:00 - [42] Originally by: Usagi Tsukino Just because something isn't illegal doesn't make it good for people. Drugs being fed to the people under false pretenses, especially by someone who holds such a high position of moral authority over the Intaki, is terrible. snip I'd even think the Star Fraction can appericate what Placid Reborn and Vendrin did...snip And just because something is legal, doesn't mean it holds no future harm for the user. Tobacco products, spiced wine, and other trade goods remain legal because the bloated elites realize huge profits from their trafficking. Here we have an Idama trying to be enterprising and deliver a substance directly to market without government interference and we get objections; from a Kuvakei, no less! I admire Sansha's trailblazing as much as the next post-humanist, but for you to try and amplify your remark because someone is an 'Idama' is quite ironic... As regular user of Drop, I can tell you that the claims of these so-called illicit substances being inherently "bad" are blown WAY out of proportion. Avoiding the extreme of prohibition as well as addiction is the course that we as capsuleers must take. If you struggle with being unable to resist because of a physiological "addiction". The Cosmopolite and I may be able to assist you in overcoming this condition. Nice jab at the Fraction, by the way; however hollow.
Usagi Tsukino Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.01 14:58:00 - [43] What jab? There was no jab there. Look, Mr. Citizen (an incredibly ironic name I might add, given your current occupation) The Fraction destroys alliances and pod pilots left and right in order to stop the spread of nationalist nemantic demigoddery, or whatever the phrase is that you use. Placid Reborn and Vendrin destroyed a tool of enslavement. The only difference I see is that in the process you've killed thousands, while PR and Vendrin killed no one. I know that you will continue to disagree with me because I can understand how tragic it would be to find that you have something in common with such a nasty Caldari nationalist group like APEX, but just disagreeing doesn't make my point any less valid. And Phantomas, damn you for making me laugh. Just damn you. --- Usagi Tsukino APEX Unlimited; Security Division
Khavi Vetali Team Americas Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.01 15:45:00 - [44] While residing in Syndicate, I've seen what commonly available drugs can do to the user if the addiction cannot be controlled. I honestly find such weakness repelling. If you do not have the strength of will to use such substances in moderation, then you really have no place taking them. I realise that such a statement contains a logical fallacy, that a user might not know his or her succeptability to a certain drug, but in that case once a predisposition to physical dependence on a substance is established, steps can be taken by the user to halt the addiction. If they aren't, well...the only one at fault is the individual. Synthetic boosters and recreational drugs have their place, and it's abject hippocrisy that such things are illegal in Federation space while equally damaging but more socially acceptable vices are allowed. As said before, personal responsibility should be the determining factor in such things, not legality or availability. One must understand consequence. This all being said, I find myself in immense disgust that someone would want to exist in the past rather than create new memories and experience life in the now. There are no answers to be found by reliving the past. However, I am curious, are there any documented side effects from use of Rise other than becoming lost in dreams? Because in these times reality is a subjective thing, and who, if anyone, has the right to impose their reality on others. If someone prefers existance in a time where they were happier, I am not one to stand in their way. Originally by: Itanis "Hello there mate, I'm dreadfully sorry, but I'm going to have to sodomize you with howitzers. Have a lovely day!"
Tomahawk Bliss	Posted - 2007.02.01 17:34:00 - [45] Originally by: Usagi Tsukino And Phantomas, damn you for making me laugh. Just damn you. yeah Phant wins the thread. it isn't fair either, I can't follow that... Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel
Vendrin Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.01 20:11:00 - [46] Originally by: Usagi Tsukino The only difference I see is that in the process you've killed thousands, while PR and Vendrin killed no one. To my sorrow that is not true. The crew of the Freighter and the thoraxes did not survive. _____________________________________ APEX Unlimited is recruiting. Join channel APEXCOM for information!
Usagi Tsukino Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.01 21:29:00 - [47] Originally by: Vendrin Originally by: Usagi Tsukino The only difference I see is that in the process you've killed thousands, while PR and Vendrin killed no one. To my sorrow that is not true. The crew of the Freighter and the thoraxes did not survive. Sounds like they killed themselves. If they can't abandon ship in the 10-20 minutes you gave them... Well.. shrugs Don't see anyone else doing that anymore. --- Usagi Tsukino APEX Unlimited; Security Division
Leth Orion Placid Reborn	Posted - 2007.02.01 22:15:00 - [48] Sundari Idama survived the incident, she ejected her ship in the last second and warped away in her pod, about her friends I dont know. It is very understandable that Vendrin might have missed her departure since he was busy holding the pirates that had arrived at the scene at bay, giving myself and Nolin the time we needed to finish our job! But to me it seems like we have strayed abit of topic! I to want to know more about these Illoren! Im especially fond of your last statement; "We are the Illoren, and we will bring peace and protection to Placid." Please, I would like to get in contact with your group, I cant speak for the rest of Placid Reborn on this matter but I feel that if you are what you claim to be we will have no problems cooperating with you! With Regards Leth Orion - Intaki Free Trader
Suuji Praath Suffoco Noctis Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.02 06:27:00 - [49] Long live the Illoren. May you stain Placid with the blood of the false Idama. Alone, We are Free.

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