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Nitshe Razvedka
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.30 19:00:56 -
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Says the jackass with:
"G¥üCODE COMPLIANT MINERG¥ü
I follow the New Halaima code of conduct ** Mining Permit Holder: 07.07.2015 - 07.08.2016 ** Agent: Zopiclone http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html
in his bio.
Didn't I see you DerOrleans in captured footage of a CODE ibis kill celebration.........clickey me!
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Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining The Bastion
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Posted - 2016.01.30 21:42:28 -
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Sooo.... How 'bout them Citadels? |

Nitshe Razvedka
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.30 21:53:49 -
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Sheeth Athonille wrote:Sooo.... How 'bout them Citadels? I would be happy to invest with a small consortium to build and maintain.
Count me in, PM me for the Isk when CCP introduces for Highsec.
(will even include a cult deprogramming service for codeies)
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ISD Decoy
isd community communications liaisons
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Posted - 2016.01.31 21:39:52 -
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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
5665
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Posted - 2016.01.31 23:25:55 -
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Sheeth Athonille wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Elizabeth Norn wrote:Nitshe Razvedka wrote:I would invest for a .5% tax, would give a good ROI.
Could build it half-way between dodixie and jita.
Will need to pay ongoing security to protect investment. My broker's fee is already 0.38% in Jita 4-4, and it can get a fair bit lower. Mine is 0.23% in Dodixie. I believe 0.19% is the best you can get. Then set it to 0.05%. If it became even half as big as Dodixie it would be insanely profitable. That said, I highly doubt this will work. Either people wont trust it, will be too stuck in their ways, or CCP will implement something to prevent it. Maybe only a limited number of market slots in the whole citadel? Something along those lines.
There absolutely, positively must be something to prevent fees getting that low.
Market taxes are one of the few truly largescale methods by which ISK is destroyed in the game.
If we can circumvent them, expect to see a lot more ISK in the economy. PLEX at 2500m would be one medium-term consequence (due solely to a devaluation of ISK, so 5 PLEX would still be worth about a billion Trit, just not the same amount of ISK).
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TheSmokingHertog
TALIBAN EXPRESS
369
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Posted - 2016.02.01 03:40:30 -
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Since when are you allowed to put up any stuff in jita? At all?.... Jita and rooky systems are always on the non-build stuff list.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
5665
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Posted - 2016.02.01 05:28:32 -
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TheSmokingHertog wrote:Since when are you allowed to put up any stuff in jita? At all?.... Jita and rooky systems are always on the non-build stuff list.
An ultra-low tax hub would supplant Jita even if built somewhere else.
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Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
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Jdestars
Stars Research systems Incorporation
29
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Posted - 2016.02.01 10:31:40 -
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You forgot a point, at present we can anchor objects that from security systems 0.7 where are you read that ccp will be suppress this rules .... stop dreaming ;)
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Justin Cody
Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens
344
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Posted - 2016.02.07 06:21:42 -
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Jay Plorer wrote:Hello all, I hope you are all as excited I am for the next meta: Citadels. http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/building-your-citadel-one-block-at-a-time/
As you know, Citadels will be somewhat of a hybrid between player made stations, and what we currently call POS'. One of the great things about Citadels is that people will be able to trade items at zero percent tax (provided that the owner chooses so). Recently, someone calculated that there was 350 billion in profit made in Jita daily. I think his or her numbers were found to be off, but 350 billion is just the margin. Imagine how much isk is actually changing hands! Likely trillions a day... Jita currently charges a tax for every isk spent. Even if this tax were as low as 1%, same would amount to 10 billion in taxes per trillion. With citadels, we could possibly forego this tax. Do you think that, with enough publicity, people could be persuaded to change the current market from Jita 4-4 to possibly an XL-Citadel located somewhere else in the system? If so, I propose getting together and building an XL Citadel in Jita (and maybe later one in Amarr). I have quite a few billion saved up, which I would be willing to invest, but obviously I cannot do it alone. Let me know what you think. If there is interest, there would need to be a way to remunerate those that contribute. Maybe a lottery based on the amount of isk that you donate? If you win the lottery you get your name name as part of the citadel name for a certain amount of time? Obviously all the isk would go to a third party, such as Chribba. We could even agree to make Chribba the owner of the citadels to make sure that there is no abuse and that taxes arenGÇÖt raised. Note: this assumes that an XL Citadel would be very hard to destroy in High Security - possibly a reasonable assumption given that no capital ships are available. Although any items within the citadel would be transferred to another station if ever it does get destroyed. Edit: This could also be used for free repairs.
No there will be no citadels allowed in Jita - just like there are no wormholes. |

Jay Plorer
Tarnak inc. ALAYS ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2016.03.03 19:52:58 -
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CCP raising taxes by 3-4 fold in NPC stations. Big change. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=471995&find=unread |

Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2016.03.03 22:35:28 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:There absolutely, positively must be something to prevent fees getting that low.
Market taxes are one of the few truly largescale methods by which ISK is destroyed in the game.
If we can circumvent them, expect to see a lot more ISK in the economy. PLEX at 2500m would be one medium-term consequence (due solely to a devaluation of ISK, so 5 PLEX would still be worth about a billion Trit, just not the same amount of ISK).
Hi, my current broker fee in Amarr is 0.1884% and my current sales tax is 0.75%. The new sales tax which goes to the SCC and not station owner alone would be 2.5% baseline, which after skills is 1.25% That's higher than my current sales tax plus two times my current brokerage (1.1268%) . How would 0% broker fee lead to 2.5b plex? |

erg cz
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
410
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Posted - 2016.03.04 11:20:15 -
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Knitram Relik wrote:Nitshe Razvedka wrote:I would invest for a .5% tax, would give a good ROI.
Could build it half-way between dodixie and jita.
Will need to pay ongoing security to protect investment. Like in Uedama? Maybe CODE could run it.
Even placed in Perimeter, it would save you one jump from any other trade hub and 1. Having Perimeter and Jita combo will easy Jita traffic. I still remember dozens of freighters hanging on Perimeter gate to Jita. 2. Lower taxes will attract many occasional sellers. Not everyone is hard core market guru with low taxes. 3. Security level 1 is a little bit more safe, than security level 0.9.
So even if Jita will remain the biggest trade hub, some serios trade citadel in Perimeter will attract ppl, who do not want ot wait on gate, mroe afraid of gankers, have high taxes on Caldary Navy stations. Selling stuff one jump from Jita is not that bad thing after all.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
5711
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Posted - 2016.03.04 12:51:37 -
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erg cz wrote:Knitram Relik wrote:Nitshe Razvedka wrote:I would invest for a .5% tax, would give a good ROI.
Could build it half-way between dodixie and jita.
Will need to pay ongoing security to protect investment. Like in Uedama? Maybe CODE could run it. Even placed in Perimeter, it would save you one jump from any other trade hub and 1. Having Perimeter and Jita combo will easy Jita traffic. I still remember dozens of freighters hanging on Perimeter gate to Jita. 2. Lower taxes will attract many occasional sellers. Not everyone is hard core market guru with low taxes. 3. Security level 1 is a little bit more safe, than security level 0.9. So even if Jita will remain the biggest trade hub, some serios trade citadel in Perimeter will attract ppl, who do not want ot wait on gate, mroe afraid of gankers, have high taxes on Caldary Navy stations. Selling stuff one jump from Jita is not that bad thing after all.
On Uedama - there's no way CODE. will place a citadel in high. Not enough highsec legal members to defend it. Kubinen (0.4 1j from Uedama) is an option but I'd advise against it - CODE. is better off basing in stations. Either Uedama stations, or Kubinen stations, depending upon the assets in play.
On Perimeter - 1.0 doesn't really make the Citadel easier to defend due to highsec mechanics. It does make freighters safer in system, but I cannot see this being a positive for an alliance anchoring an XL Citadel - such an alliance will be able to protect their own freighters, but being in 0.5 makes it easier to gank freighters of rival alliances trying to use the hub.
I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
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Al Nomadi
Morawins
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Posted - 2016.03.04 13:24:08 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote: It does make freighters safer in system
And that matters. If you do not want rival alliance use your hub - ban them or change taxes. Do not stay tonnel visioned about hunting down defenseless targets. Go get real some, some who put a fight. Trade hub must be safe and here every +0.1 of security matters. I would choose Urlen over Perimeter.
Anyway it will be interesting time with large citadels poping and exploding in high sec. Tons of advertising, spam expected... I guess eve uni and brave newbees will build some, that will last. |

Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
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Posted - 2016.03.04 14:22:55 -
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Al Nomadi wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote: It does make freighters safer in system And that matters. If you do not want rival alliance use your hub - ban them or change taxes. Do not stay tonnel visioned about hunting down defenseless targets. Go get real some, some who put a fight. Trade hub must be safe and here every +0.1 of security matters. I would choose Urlen over Perimeter. Anyway it will be interesting time with large citadels poping and exploding in high sec. Tons of advertising, spam expected... I guess eve uni and brave newbees will build some, that will last.
Freighters are not defenceless unless they are piloted by idiots.
Flying a freighter solo without the capacity to escalate is as dumb as ratting in Amamake top belt.
It's really a strategic question - what screws your opponents over more, telling them that they can't dock, or letting them think they can, and when they try, shooting them and taking their stuff? The latter is generally better for you and worse for them, so it's often going to be the right call.
I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
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Kaivar Lancer
Placid Import and Export
902
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Posted - 2016.03.04 14:34:11 -
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Why would a citadel owner charge 0% tax? How many POCOs do you see charging 0% to the public? |

Al Nomadi
Morawins
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Posted - 2016.03.04 14:45:30 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:Why would a citadel owner charge 0% tax? How many POCOs do you see charging 0% to the public?
To establish market? Once it is up and running well, owner can set any tax he wants. And that possibility will seriosly harm traitors like Sabriz . Cause no one in his clear mind will trust the guy, who boasts about luring "filthy-rich incursioner" into cooperation and than backstub his expensive ship. People like that will have hard time convincing customers to use their trtade hub. But there are players like chriba, who is trust worthy and his hub can have any reasonable tax bigger than 0. And people will still use it, if it is properly placed. |

Magnu Stormhawk
Stormhawk Enterprises
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Posted - 2016.03.04 15:27:13 -
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Ignoring the fact that Jita is the current prime hub and there are benefits of a player hub being close, if one were to attempt to set up a player owned hub in the most optimal system today, what systems would be contenders?
If the answer isn't Jita or close by, based on a system standing on its own merits, then trying to create a player owned hub as close to Jita as possible is probably a bit short sighted.
The reasons Jita became the hub originally was due a number of factors which have probably now changed. Now its the hub primarily because of its momentum. That momentum is going to falter with the upcoming changes, and eventually it may even die. When that happens, is it really going to be beneficial having a new hub very close? Or in the long term is it a better investment to be elsewhere? |

Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining The Bastion
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Posted - 2016.03.04 23:52:53 -
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Jdestars wrote:You forgot a point, at present we can anchor objects that from security systems 0.7 where are you read that ccp will be suppress this rules .... stop dreaming ;)
You've been able to anchor in over 0.7 sec systems for over a year now. Sooo I guess it's not dreaming?
Magnu Stormhawk wrote:Ignoring the fact that Jita is the current prime hub and there are benefits of a player hub being close, if one were to attempt to set up a player owned hub in the most optimal system today, what systems would be contenders?
If the answer isn't Jita or close by, based on a system standing on its own merits, then trying to create a player owned hub as close to Jita as possible is probably a bit short sighted.
The reasons Jita became the hub originally was due a number of factors which have probably now changed. Now its the hub primarily because of its momentum. That momentum is going to falter with the upcoming changes, and eventually it may even die. When that happens, is it really going to be beneficial having a new hub very close? Or in the long term is it a better investment to be elsewhere?
Wasn't the main reason Jita became the main trade hub because of its central location? There hasn't been a major re-working of the literal shape of the galaxy since Jita was created that I'm aware of, so I'd imagine it would still be one of the most centrally located systems.
I think there were also high quality agents which don't exist anymore, but I think that was secondary to location. |
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