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Jay Plorer
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Posted - 2016.01.26 22:57:50 -
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Hello all,
I hope you are all as excited I am for the next meta: Citadels. http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/building-your-citadel-one-block-at-a-time/
As you know, Citadels will be somewhat of a hybrid between player made stations, and what we currently call POS'. One of the great things about Citadels is that people will be able to trade items at zero percent tax (provided that the owner chooses so).
Recently, someone calculated that there was 350 billion in profits made in Jita daily. I think his or her numbers were found to be off, but 350 billion is just the margin. Imagine how much isk is actually changing hands! Maybe trillions a day...
Jita currently charges a tax for every isk spent. Even if this tax were as low as 1%, same would amount to 3.5 billion in taxes per day (just on the margin GÇô not even the total sales). With citadels, we could possibly forego this tax.
Do you think that, with enough publicity, people could be persuaded to change the current market from Jita 4-4 to possibly an XL-Citadel located somewhere else in the system?
If so, I propose getting together and building an XL Citadel in Jita (and maybe later one in Amarr). I have quite a few billion saved up, which I would be willing to invest, but obviously I cannot do it alone.
Let me know what you think. If there is interest, there would need to be a way to remunerate those that contribute. Maybe a lottery based on the amount of isk that you donate? If you win the lottery you get your name name as part of the citadel name for a certain amount of time?
Obviously all the isk would go to a third party, such as Chribba. We could even agree to make Chribba the owner of the citadels to make sure that there is no abuse and that taxes arenGÇÖt raised.
Note: this assumes that an XL Citadel would be very hard to destroy in High Security, given that no capital ships are available. Although any items within the citadel would be transferred to another station if ever it does get destroyed.
Edit: This could also be used so that repairs are free. |
Jay Plorer
Tarnak inc.
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Posted - 2016.01.26 23:06:12 -
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Reserved. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2016.01.26 23:18:56 -
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Needs a catchy name like TITANS4U CITADELS4U |
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
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Posted - 2016.01.26 23:32:19 -
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2-3-4 years away.
better plan now guys
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ExookiZ
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2016.01.26 23:33:09 -
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i have a feeling that like POSes, citadels will not be allowed in Jita.
Also paints a target, someones gonna war dec it and roll over it with a dread fleet unless it has a very dedicated defense initiative.
Finally, isk sinks are good, i suspect that SCC taxes will apply to any market, regardless of where it is, They still apply to null stations.
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Lord Haur
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
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Posted - 2016.01.26 23:37:40 -
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ExookiZ wrote:Finally, isk sinks are good, i suspect that SCC taxes will apply to any market, regardless of where it is, They still apply to null stations.
Certainly.
Although it looks as though CCP wants to make citadels have lower taxes: (quoting from the initial structure blog from after Fanfest last year)
"We are also considering giving those a tax advantage next to NPC stations (either by increasing NPC taxes or having tax reductions on the player-made variations)."
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Railroad Cop
Trademarque
Alternate Allegiance
3
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Posted - 2016.01.27 00:32:37 -
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No.
Current stations can not be destroyed - there is no risk in having trillions of assets sitting in a station.
The second you go to move a trade hub out of a station into a citadel - everyone's assets are at risk. A citadel can be destroyed.
The only way this will happen is if CCP makes it so existing stations can be destroyed after citadel's have been released - then yes - most definitely. What you want will happen - and i can foresee Chribba being the one to lead and make this happen.
If Chribba owned the Citadel - everyone would be at ease that they are not going to be screwed over. God help anyone that decides to try and take on Chribba - as people would make this their main trade hub and you can guarantee an army will stand up to defend it considering how much in assets would be sitting in the thing.
Speaking of which - Chribba??? Have you had any thoughts on this? :) |
0000000000ZERO0000000000
Zero Zentharis
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Posted - 2016.01.27 01:08:45 -
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Making a tiny outpost in .5 heavily trafficked system for gankers to chill in is a plausible idea.
Market hub with no taxes is fairly stupid idea.
"People will stand up to defend their assets" is rather adorable. Every single null war is won whenever the other side decides to stop logging in. And that is in null, where people are accustomed to defending their own space. Why should a random high-sec pubbie do anything whenever their beloved taxless citadel burns?
If anything it would be an interesting social experiment, on whether there are more people who like to press F1 in Oneiros or in Oracle.
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Jay Plorer
Tarnak inc.
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Posted - 2016.01.27 01:39:38 -
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Railroad Cop wrote:No.
Current stations can not be destroyed - there is no risk in having trillions of assets sitting in a station.
The second you go to move a trade hub out of a station into a citadel - everyone's assets are at risk. A citadel can be destroyed.
The only way this will happen is if CCP makes it so existing stations can be destroyed after citadel's have been released - then yes - most definitely. What you want will happen - and i can foresee Chribba being the one to lead and make this happen.
If Chribba owned the Citadel - everyone would be at ease that they are not going to be screwed over. God help anyone that decides to try and take on Chribba - as people would make this their main trade hub and you can guarantee an army will stand up to defend it considering how much in assets would be sitting in the thing.
Speaking of which - Chribba??? Have you had any thoughts on this? :)
I aqm pretty sure they said that items within citadels would not be destroyed - merely placed in a close NPC station... |
The Slayer
Hole Violence
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.01.27 01:58:57 -
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Jay Plorer wrote:
I aqm pretty sure they said that items within citadels would not be destroyed - merely placed in a close NPC station...
You also have to pay a fee to get them back when this happens |
Alexi Stokov
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.27 02:25:14 -
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Why would anyone put in the time and effort to build a citadel and set a 0% tax rate? |
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
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Posted - 2016.01.27 03:30:14 -
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The Slayer wrote:Jay Plorer wrote:
I aqm pretty sure they said that items within citadels would not be destroyed - merely placed in a close NPC station...
You also have to pay a fee to get them back when this happens
IIRC the fee applies only if the item is teleported from one system to another. Within the same system no fee.
On the original post - removing the SCC sales tax would be an unmitigated disaster for the game. It's already below optimal in terms of functioning as an ISK sink.
CCP seem quite aware of this (they did increase taxes and broker fees several expansions ago).
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Edwin Rothbard
Interstellar Arbitrage
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Posted - 2016.01.27 05:31:42 -
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I hate to burst your bubble but citadels will most likely have the same system deployment restrictions as POSes: namely they cannot be built in a number of special systems. IE trade hubs such as Jita, Amarr, et al.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2016.01.29 00:43:18 -
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Alexi Stokov wrote:Why would anyone put in the time and effort to build a citadel and set a 0% tax rate?
I would.
A medium citadel (POS replacement) is pretty cheap to install and maintain. |
Mephiztopheleze
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
490
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Posted - 2016.01.29 00:54:29 -
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ExookiZ wrote:Also paints a target, someones gonna war dec it and roll over it with a dread fleet unless it has a very dedicated defense initiative.
And just how many Dreads are there in HiSec?
I know of one.
Quick, to the Attack Battlecruisers and Sentry Drone VNIs!
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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
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Posted - 2016.01.29 01:21:11 -
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Mephiztopheleze wrote:ExookiZ wrote:Also paints a target, someones gonna war dec it and roll over it with a dread fleet unless it has a very dedicated defense initiative. And just how many Dreads are there in HiSec? I know of one. Quick, to the Attack Battlecruisers and Sentry Drone VNIs!
Currently you're not allowed to use high sec capitals for combat. Hopefully you'll need something a bit tougher than Attack BCs and VNIs, you definitely will for XL Citadels if their testing is any indication of their final power (https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie/status/690205264843313152).
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Edwin Rothbard
Interstellar Arbitrage
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Posted - 2016.01.29 08:22:20 -
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Mephiztopheleze wrote:[quote=ExookiZ]And just how many Dreads are there in HiSec?
I know of one.
I suspect there are lots of high sec capitals still. As liz pointed out you aren't allowed to use them in pvp and you aren't allowed to sell them. Mine is getting very dusty sitting in station.
Rothbard's Casino
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Luna Bowman
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.01.29 16:03:02 -
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ExookiZ wrote:i have a feeling that like POSes, citadels will not be allowed in Jita.
Also paints a target, someones gonna war dec it and roll over it with a dread fleet unless it has a very dedicated defense initiative.
Finally, isk sinks are good, i suspect that SCC taxes will apply to any market, regardless of where it is, They still apply to null stations.
I wonder if dropping one next door to jita would be profitable enough for traders to move one system over. |
Luna Bowman
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.01.29 16:05:26 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Alexi Stokov wrote:Why would anyone put in the time and effort to build a citadel and set a 0% tax rate? I would. A medium citadel (POS replacement) is pretty cheap to install and maintain.
As far as devs confirmed, only L and XL citadels will support market modules |
Nitshe Razvedka
State War Academy
Caldari State
342
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Posted - 2016.01.29 17:51:36 -
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I would invest for a .5% tax, would give a good ROI.
Could build it half-way between dodixie and jita.
Will need to pay ongoing security to protect investment.
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HeXxploiT
Little Red X
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Posted - 2016.01.29 20:37:51 -
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Railroad Cop wrote:
The only way this will happen is if CCP makes it so existing stations can be destroyed...
Which will never happen because if it did the game would end up with a coalition 10x more powerful than CFC ever was as being with the most powerful coalition or alliance would be the only way to assure security of ones assets.
I can think of nothing more destructive to the veteran player base than to make everything destructible. |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
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Posted - 2016.01.29 20:45:18 -
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Nitshe Razvedka wrote:I would invest for a .5% tax, would give a good ROI.
Could build it half-way between dodixie and jita.
Will need to pay ongoing security to protect investment.
My broker's fee is already 0.38% in Jita 4-4, and it can get a fair bit lower.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
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Posted - 2016.01.29 21:11:31 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote:Nitshe Razvedka wrote:I would invest for a .5% tax, would give a good ROI.
Could build it half-way between dodixie and jita.
Will need to pay ongoing security to protect investment. My broker's fee is already 0.38% in Jita 4-4, and it can get a fair bit lower.
Mine is 0.23% in Dodixie. I believe 0.19% is the best you can get.
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Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining
The Bastion
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Posted - 2016.01.29 22:32:46 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Elizabeth Norn wrote:Nitshe Razvedka wrote:I would invest for a .5% tax, would give a good ROI.
Could build it half-way between dodixie and jita.
Will need to pay ongoing security to protect investment. My broker's fee is already 0.38% in Jita 4-4, and it can get a fair bit lower. Mine is 0.23% in Dodixie. I believe 0.19% is the best you can get.
Then set it to 0.05%. If it became even half as big as Dodixie it would be insanely profitable.
That said, I highly doubt this will work. Either people wont trust it, will be too stuck in their ways, or CCP will implement something to prevent it. Maybe only a limited number of market slots in the whole citadel? Something along those lines. |
Knitram Relik
Running With Railguns
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Posted - 2016.01.30 08:14:42 -
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Nitshe Razvedka wrote:I would invest for a .5% tax, would give a good ROI.
Could build it half-way between dodixie and jita.
Will need to pay ongoing security to protect investment.
Like in Uedama? Maybe CODE could run it.
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Nitshe Razvedka
State War Academy
Caldari State
351
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Posted - 2016.01.30 09:20:42 -
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Knitram Relik wrote:Nitshe Razvedka wrote:I would invest for a .5% tax, would give a good ROI.
Could build it half-way between dodixie and jita.
Will need to pay ongoing security to protect investment. Like in Uedama? Maybe CODE could run it.
Seems someone is buthurt from all the MERC activity in Uedama. If CODE ran a trade post it would be the most deserted in Eve. You special needs window-lickers are sooo out of touch with the rest of the community. 
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Zappity
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Posted - 2016.01.30 10:42:39 -
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The problem with this is that the alliance that builds it is the alliance that must defend it. And defend it alone because of highsec mechanics. Have fun with that during Burn Jita.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
2091
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Posted - 2016.01.30 11:52:03 -
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Nitshe Razvedka wrote:Seems someone is buthurt from all the MERC activity in Uedama. If CODE ran a trade post it would be the most deserted in Eve. You special needs window-lickers are sooo out of touch with the rest of the community.
You mean the mercs who purchase New Order shares with the money you give them? I just want to thank you for indirectly supporting our cause, I am sure this will help some new ganker get his career started. When carebears invest their grinded ISK into content creators everyone wins.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Nitshe Razvedka
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.30 17:47:10 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Nitshe Razvedka wrote:Seems someone is buthurt from all the MERC activity in Uedama. If CODE ran a trade post it would be the most deserted in Eve. You special needs window-lickers are sooo out of touch with the rest of the community. You mean the mercs who purchase New Order shares with the money you give them? I just want to thank you for indirectly supporting our cause, I am sure this will help some new ganker get his career started. When carebears invest their grinded ISK into content creators everyone wins.
You farm freighters macro style only to make 1 man wealthy. You must have low self esteem to call another 'your saviour'. Your existence in Eve is full of hypocrisy and denial. Then you go beyond the pale, expecting others to accept your religion and pay a tithe.
Eve is an excellent sandbox for anthropologists to see first hand how cults and brainwashing takes place. When I was younger I could not comprehend how freemen gave up their free choice to people like Jim Jones. After meeting people like you Ima, and reading your misguided posts I understand now.
I genuinely feel sorry for anyone seeking identity in James315, I prey they wake up, sooner than latter.
I will always stand on my feet and fight bullies, always.
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Jacques d'Orleans
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.01.30 18:32:41 -
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Relevant |
Nitshe Razvedka
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.30 19:00:56 -
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Says the jackass with:
"G¥üCODE COMPLIANT MINERG¥ü
I follow the New Halaima code of conduct
** Mining Permit Holder: 07.07.2015 - 07.08.2016 **
Agent: Zopiclone
http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html
in his bio.
Didn't I see you DerOrleans in captured footage of a CODE ibis kill celebration.........clickey me!
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Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining
The Bastion
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Posted - 2016.01.30 21:42:28 -
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Sooo.... How 'bout them Citadels? |
Nitshe Razvedka
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.30 21:53:49 -
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Sheeth Athonille wrote:Sooo.... How 'bout them Citadels?
I would be happy to invest with a small consortium to build and maintain.
Count me in, PM me for the Isk when CCP introduces for Highsec.
(will even include a cult deprogramming service for codeies)
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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
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Posted - 2016.01.31 23:25:55 -
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Sheeth Athonille wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Elizabeth Norn wrote:Nitshe Razvedka wrote:I would invest for a .5% tax, would give a good ROI.
Could build it half-way between dodixie and jita.
Will need to pay ongoing security to protect investment. My broker's fee is already 0.38% in Jita 4-4, and it can get a fair bit lower. Mine is 0.23% in Dodixie. I believe 0.19% is the best you can get. Then set it to 0.05%. If it became even half as big as Dodixie it would be insanely profitable. That said, I highly doubt this will work. Either people wont trust it, will be too stuck in their ways, or CCP will implement something to prevent it. Maybe only a limited number of market slots in the whole citadel? Something along those lines.
There absolutely, positively must be something to prevent fees getting that low.
Market taxes are one of the few truly largescale methods by which ISK is destroyed in the game.
If we can circumvent them, expect to see a lot more ISK in the economy. PLEX at 2500m would be one medium-term consequence (due solely to a devaluation of ISK, so 5 PLEX would still be worth about a billion Trit, just not the same amount of ISK).
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TheSmokingHertog
TALIBAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2016.02.01 03:40:30 -
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Since when are you allowed to put up any stuff in jita? At all?.... Jita and rooky systems are always on the non-build stuff list.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
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Posted - 2016.02.01 05:28:32 -
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TheSmokingHertog wrote:Since when are you allowed to put up any stuff in jita? At all?.... Jita and rooky systems are always on the non-build stuff list.
An ultra-low tax hub would supplant Jita even if built somewhere else.
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Jdestars
Stars Research systems Incorporation
29
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Posted - 2016.02.01 10:31:40 -
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You forgot a point, at present we can anchor objects that from security systems 0.7
where are you read that ccp will be suppress this rules .... stop dreaming ;)
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Justin Cody
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
344
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Posted - 2016.02.07 06:21:42 -
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Jay Plorer wrote:Hello all, I hope you are all as excited I am for the next meta: Citadels. http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/building-your-citadel-one-block-at-a-time/
As you know, Citadels will be somewhat of a hybrid between player made stations, and what we currently call POS'. One of the great things about Citadels is that people will be able to trade items at zero percent tax (provided that the owner chooses so). Recently, someone calculated that there was 350 billion in profit made in Jita daily. I think his or her numbers were found to be off, but 350 billion is just the margin. Imagine how much isk is actually changing hands! Likely trillions a day... Jita currently charges a tax for every isk spent. Even if this tax were as low as 1%, same would amount to 10 billion in taxes per trillion. With citadels, we could possibly forego this tax. Do you think that, with enough publicity, people could be persuaded to change the current market from Jita 4-4 to possibly an XL-Citadel located somewhere else in the system? If so, I propose getting together and building an XL Citadel in Jita (and maybe later one in Amarr). I have quite a few billion saved up, which I would be willing to invest, but obviously I cannot do it alone. Let me know what you think. If there is interest, there would need to be a way to remunerate those that contribute. Maybe a lottery based on the amount of isk that you donate? If you win the lottery you get your name name as part of the citadel name for a certain amount of time? Obviously all the isk would go to a third party, such as Chribba. We could even agree to make Chribba the owner of the citadels to make sure that there is no abuse and that taxes arenGÇÖt raised. Note: this assumes that an XL Citadel would be very hard to destroy in High Security - possibly a reasonable assumption given that no capital ships are available. Although any items within the citadel would be transferred to another station if ever it does get destroyed. Edit: This could also be used for free repairs.
No there will be no citadels allowed in Jita - just like there are no wormholes. |
Jay Plorer
Tarnak inc.
ALAYS ALLIANCE
0
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Posted - 2016.03.03 19:52:58 -
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CCP raising taxes by 3-4 fold in NPC stations. Big change. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=471995&find=unread |
Ria Nieyli
41492
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Posted - 2016.03.03 22:35:28 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:There absolutely, positively must be something to prevent fees getting that low.
Market taxes are one of the few truly largescale methods by which ISK is destroyed in the game.
If we can circumvent them, expect to see a lot more ISK in the economy. PLEX at 2500m would be one medium-term consequence (due solely to a devaluation of ISK, so 5 PLEX would still be worth about a billion Trit, just not the same amount of ISK).
Hi, my current broker fee in Amarr is 0.1884% and my current sales tax is 0.75%. The new sales tax which goes to the SCC and not station owner alone would be 2.5% baseline, which after skills is 1.25% That's higher than my current sales tax plus two times my current brokerage (1.1268%) . How would 0% broker fee lead to 2.5b plex? |
erg cz
Eleutherian Guard
Villore Accords
410
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Posted - 2016.03.04 11:20:15 -
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Knitram Relik wrote:Nitshe Razvedka wrote:I would invest for a .5% tax, would give a good ROI.
Could build it half-way between dodixie and jita.
Will need to pay ongoing security to protect investment. Like in Uedama? Maybe CODE could run it.
Even placed in Perimeter, it would save you one jump from any other trade hub and
1. Having Perimeter and Jita combo will easy Jita traffic. I still remember dozens of freighters hanging on Perimeter gate to Jita.
2. Lower taxes will attract many occasional sellers. Not everyone is hard core market guru with low taxes.
3. Security level 1 is a little bit more safe, than security level 0.9.
So even if Jita will remain the biggest trade hub, some serios trade citadel in Perimeter will attract ppl, who do not want ot wait on gate, mroe afraid of gankers, have high taxes on Caldary Navy stations. Selling stuff one jump from Jita is not that bad thing after all.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
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Posted - 2016.03.04 12:51:37 -
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erg cz wrote:Knitram Relik wrote:Nitshe Razvedka wrote:I would invest for a .5% tax, would give a good ROI.
Could build it half-way between dodixie and jita.
Will need to pay ongoing security to protect investment. Like in Uedama? Maybe CODE could run it. Even placed in Perimeter, it would save you one jump from any other trade hub and 1. Having Perimeter and Jita combo will easy Jita traffic. I still remember dozens of freighters hanging on Perimeter gate to Jita. 2. Lower taxes will attract many occasional sellers. Not everyone is hard core market guru with low taxes. 3. Security level 1 is a little bit more safe, than security level 0.9. So even if Jita will remain the biggest trade hub, some serios trade citadel in Perimeter will attract ppl, who do not want ot wait on gate, mroe afraid of gankers, have high taxes on Caldary Navy stations. Selling stuff one jump from Jita is not that bad thing after all.
On Uedama - there's no way CODE. will place a citadel in high. Not enough highsec legal members to defend it. Kubinen (0.4 1j from Uedama) is an option but I'd advise against it - CODE. is better off basing in stations. Either Uedama stations, or Kubinen stations, depending upon the assets in play.
On Perimeter - 1.0 doesn't really make the Citadel easier to defend due to highsec mechanics. It does make freighters safer in system, but I cannot see this being a positive for an alliance anchoring an XL Citadel - such an alliance will be able to protect their own freighters, but being in 0.5 makes it easier to gank freighters of rival alliances trying to use the hub.
I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
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Al Nomadi
Morawins
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Posted - 2016.03.04 13:24:08 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote: It does make freighters safer in system
And that matters. If you do not want rival alliance use your hub - ban them or change taxes. Do not stay tonnel visioned about hunting down defenseless targets. Go get real some, some who put a fight. Trade hub must be safe and here every +0.1 of security matters. I would choose Urlen over Perimeter.
Anyway it will be interesting time with large citadels poping and exploding in high sec. Tons of advertising, spam expected... I guess eve uni and brave newbees will build some, that will last. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
5712
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Posted - 2016.03.04 14:22:55 -
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Al Nomadi wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote: It does make freighters safer in system And that matters. If you do not want rival alliance use your hub - ban them or change taxes. Do not stay tonnel visioned about hunting down defenseless targets. Go get real some, some who put a fight. Trade hub must be safe and here every +0.1 of security matters. I would choose Urlen over Perimeter. Anyway it will be interesting time with large citadels poping and exploding in high sec. Tons of advertising, spam expected... I guess eve uni and brave newbees will build some, that will last.
Freighters are not defenceless unless they are piloted by idiots.
Flying a freighter solo without the capacity to escalate is as dumb as ratting in Amamake top belt.
It's really a strategic question - what screws your opponents over more, telling them that they can't dock, or letting them think they can, and when they try, shooting them and taking their stuff? The latter is generally better for you and worse for them, so it's often going to be the right call.
I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
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Kaivar Lancer
Placid Import and Export
902
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Posted - 2016.03.04 14:34:11 -
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Why would a citadel owner charge 0% tax? How many POCOs do you see charging 0% to the public? |
Al Nomadi
Morawins
7
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Posted - 2016.03.04 14:45:30 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:Why would a citadel owner charge 0% tax? How many POCOs do you see charging 0% to the public?
To establish market? Once it is up and running well, owner can set any tax he wants. And that possibility will seriosly harm traitors like Sabriz . Cause no one in his clear mind will trust the guy, who boasts about luring "filthy-rich incursioner" into cooperation and than backstub his expensive ship. People like that will have hard time convincing customers to use their trtade hub. But there are players like chriba, who is trust worthy and his hub can have any reasonable tax bigger than 0. And people will still use it, if it is properly placed. |
Magnu Stormhawk
Stormhawk Enterprises
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Posted - 2016.03.04 15:27:13 -
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Ignoring the fact that Jita is the current prime hub and there are benefits of a player hub being close, if one were to attempt to set up a player owned hub in the most optimal system today, what systems would be contenders?
If the answer isn't Jita or close by, based on a system standing on its own merits, then trying to create a player owned hub as close to Jita as possible is probably a bit short sighted.
The reasons Jita became the hub originally was due a number of factors which have probably now changed. Now its the hub primarily because of its momentum. That momentum is going to falter with the upcoming changes, and eventually it may even die. When that happens, is it really going to be beneficial having a new hub very close? Or in the long term is it a better investment to be elsewhere? |
Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining
The Bastion
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Posted - 2016.03.04 23:52:53 -
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Jdestars wrote:You forgot a point, at present we can anchor objects that from security systems 0.7
where are you read that ccp will be suppress this rules .... stop dreaming ;)
You've been able to anchor in over 0.7 sec systems for over a year now. Sooo I guess it's not dreaming?
Magnu Stormhawk wrote:Ignoring the fact that Jita is the current prime hub and there are benefits of a player hub being close, if one were to attempt to set up a player owned hub in the most optimal system today, what systems would be contenders?
If the answer isn't Jita or close by, based on a system standing on its own merits, then trying to create a player owned hub as close to Jita as possible is probably a bit short sighted.
The reasons Jita became the hub originally was due a number of factors which have probably now changed. Now its the hub primarily because of its momentum. That momentum is going to falter with the upcoming changes, and eventually it may even die. When that happens, is it really going to be beneficial having a new hub very close? Or in the long term is it a better investment to be elsewhere?
Wasn't the main reason Jita became the main trade hub because of its central location? There hasn't been a major re-working of the literal shape of the galaxy since Jita was created that I'm aware of, so I'd imagine it would still be one of the most centrally located systems.
I think there were also high quality agents which don't exist anymore, but I think that was secondary to location. |
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