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Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.28 13:16:00 - [31] Originally by: Par'Gellen Edited by: Par''Gellen on 28/01/2007 10:10:23 Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker limiting people to one account is impossible. Limiting people to one account on the same computer at the same time is as easy as the client checking your process information at startup and killing itself if it's already running. Very easy to do and I do it in my apps just to keep people from launching more than one by accident then asking me for help about it Multiple computers would still be possible though of course or maybe an emulator like Virtual PC. Not that I'd support limiting people to only one account. I like my alt People will do that... "True" spies have multiples accounts. "I know somebody who know" a guy with 4 accounts :) Paying $30 per month for an harcore player is not very much. Most (75%) of them have multiple accounts. ----- History is made by whinners
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said	Posted - 2007.01.28 13:28:00 - [32] Edited by: Galk on 28/01/2007 13:28:30 I think any problem is largely lack of self discipline among the playerbase. Due to the nature of the game and the win at all cost attitude from it's niche select playerbase, i spose that can't be helped. The world of eve would be better without multiple accounting, but it's too late now to change it:/ As for the old alt v's account... There's no way to avocate one and dispel the other when they are primarily used for the same abuses by many and most. Anyone that disagrees with that is just self serving their own interests edit. Kweel, it doesn't take hardcore anymore, people just throw timecodes on them... hence the explosion of player numbers cough* ______
Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.28 14:43:00 - [33] Originally by: Tasuric Orka Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker limiting people to one account is impossible. I'm not sure about that. But if would be glorious.. -Scammers/thieves would have to face imprisonment in NPC corps or constant wardecs. -Joe Alliance wouldnt have perfect intel about your pre-emptive strike due to alt spies. -Recon ships wouldnt be in your system 23/7, as they would get bored. -alliance/corps would have to move their stuff under their flag, or would have to hire a third party. -Much less **** spamming trolls. It is impossible---i have no problem provinding Credit cards,Billing accounts and multiple IP's...the op who started this tread, dont know what he is talking about.....CCP would never limit one account pr player..simply because it would mean they would loose bussiness. I once had a sig...it deleted
Ashiana	Posted - 2007.01.28 14:52:00 - [34] Edited by: Ashiana on 28/01/2007 14:48:35 Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Also I didn't make my little poem multi gender because there are no girls on the internet Nah, we just don't talk to sexist losers
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.28 14:58:00 - [35] If people are willing to pay for a second account, then they're entitled to have one. And I'm saying that as a player who has only one account and will only ever HAVE one account. ***
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.28 17:30:00 - [36] Originally by: Ashiana Edited by: Ashiana on 28/01/2007 14:48:35 Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Also I didn't make my little poem multi gender because there are no girls on the internet Nah, we just don't talk to sexist losers Jeez don't take so much offense its a 4chan joke dude Half Assed Rhymage
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.28 17:33:00 - [37] Originally by: Stitcher If people are willing to pay for a second account, then they're entitled to have one. And I'm saying that as a player who has only one account and will only ever HAVE one account. But if using real world currency to your advantage in an mmo is frowned upon (buying credits), Is not having an alternate account the exact same thing? Half Assed Rhymage
Tasuric Orka Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.28 17:56:00 - [38] Originally by: Stitcher If people are willing to pay for a second account, then they're entitled to have one. And I'm saying that as a player who has only one account and will only ever HAVE one account. Not by default, currently it's just because ccp allows it, but they might as well have not allowed it from the start. I believe the game would be better without alt's and multiple accounts, people would have to choose their path and live it, currently there is just no accountability, if you want to steal a few POS, empty a corp hanger, scam people for billions.. just create an alt and live with the wealth you gathered. It's lame and goes against everything ccp supposedly wants this game to be.. but like was said, it's too late now. Originally by: Deja Thoris The dead horse has now been flogged into puree.
Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.28 18:23:00 - [39] Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 28/01/2007 18:20:39 Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Stitcher If people are willing to pay for a second account, then they're entitled to have one. And I'm saying that as a player who has only one account and will only ever HAVE one account. But if using real world currency to your advantage in an mmo is frowned upon (buying credits), Is not having an alternate account the exact same thing? Out of game buying of isk and items at varius dubius websites ...profit goes not to CCP. Buying of accounts at CCP...Profit goes to CCP. I have Several accounts in EVE...so i can enjoy the whole spectre If you are of that conviction, that i have an advantage over those who operate 1 account only, your proberly right...but nothing prevents you from byuing a 2 account, CCP eveb endorse it...by the power of 2....There is no comparison between these 2 types of playing style..if you buy isk/Items at a reseller site, you will proberly get banned if CCP can catch you, according to the EULA. There is No way ccp..could or would go to 1 user.1 account, as long as there are byuing customers. Now we have had the CTRLQ discussion this week allready, several times, you said using of alts and other accounts is the same...metagaming. It seems to me...that you are arguing for the arguments alone. I may have an advantage over other players, by owning more accounts..i work for them, and i pay ccp for them.....you can do the same or choose not to, up to you. I once had a sig...it deleted
Bryg Philomena Green Lantern Corps	Posted - 2007.01.28 18:53:00 - [40] Originally by: Dukath Edited by: Dukath on 28/01/2007 08:54:35 Removing alts is too late. Should have been single character per account from the start. However a lot of alt abuse can be removed easily. Allow only 1 alt in space at a given time. The other characters must be docked or 'parked' inside a POS. It would still be possible to login on another character which is docked or parked, but that character would not be able to undock. Undocking is only possible if all other characters in the same account are docked or parked. (parking would need to be a new feature locking the ship to a POS) So trading, CEO management etc would be possible, but not undocking. It would have no effect on legitimate alts, but it would severely affect alt scouts. They can't just logout in the middle of hostile space and go play another character when the alt is not needed. thats impossible, for one, I have 2 alts, and a main. of all these chars I will run mini-mining ops, or say moving around goods moving all chars throughout the galaxy to one point? it would take hours longer a task I would hate. Also, how is it to be done to limit 1 char to 1 person? IP? Shared IP. Credit Card? Parents subbing multiple children. MAC address? Shared PC. It's not possible at this point in time. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=465618
Ikvar Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.28 18:58:00 - [41] Originally by: Dark Shikari 3 characters, one account. You don't need multiple accounts to play EVE. I do. Also, I very much doubt if CCP will ever ban multiple accounting, because it'd mean they get one sub fee from me, rather than 5. Also it'd be pretty hard to enforce. Originally by: Rekindle I was in an empire system when they used their grief tactics to explode everything I own.
Fester Addams Minmatar	Posted - 2007.01.28 19:11:00 - [42] Nice poem. As for what you could catch with the removing of alts. Multiple accounts can not be caught as each new account is a separate entity, CCP would be fools to not allow people to pay for two, three or more accounts. Each account can have 3 characters, I very much doubt we will see that drop to one ever, eve is already harsh in only allowing 3 characters to an account, most other MMO's have much higher limits if any at all. The one thing I would like is for a player to be able to use ingame mechanics to track who is connected to whom. For example you could be able to get to see a players transactions log, who has he given isk to and hom has he been given isk from... Mail info could also be datamined, the actual context should naturally be private but who did the char send eve-main to and from whom did he recieve could be open. The same with chat, there could be a way to find out what chats a player is currently in and what chats he has been in in the past, no actual text need be there just that he has been in chat with a person. IN the extreme case you could even allow a player to gain the knowledge on who the players alts are but I would prefer that to remain outside of the scope of such data mining. Naturally you wont be able to get OOG comunication but it would be one more possibility to track characters. I very much doubt this will happen but one can hope.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.28 19:26:00 - [43] Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich I may have an advantage over other players, by owning more accounts..i work for them, and i pay ccp for them.....you can do the same or choose not to, up to you. Regardless that you can afford to have multiple accounts ( I have a 2nd account as well but that is only to prevent me from getting left behind in this alt game of ours) I feel that the only advantage you should have over some other player in rl is the advantage of time and not money. Seeing as that is the golden principle that is always praised in games "That you should never have to pay cash to get better at a game but instead devote time" Half Assed Rhymage
Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.28 19:34:00 - [44] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich I may have an advantage over other players, by owning more accounts..i work for them, and i pay ccp for them.....you can do the same or choose not to, up to you. Regardless that you can afford to have multiple accounts ( I have a 2nd account as well but that is only to prevent me from getting left behind in this alt game of ours) I feel that the only advantage you should have over some other player in rl is the advantage of time and not money. Seeing as that is the golden principle that is always praised in games "That you should never have to pay cash to get better at a game but instead devote time" Following your wisdom...poeple who playe this game..when it went gold..should be nerfed, because their skillpoints and the wealth they have gathered is an advantage over the new player ingame......im sorry life dont work that way...and a computergame, certainly does not. Alts provide players the fullfillment of trying out everything in EVE, without being stuck or left behinde because your char is. 1: to specialized. 2: in the other end of the galxy. 3: sometims you only have a limited time to play..so you want the best of your time. If ou dont like it..i suggest you stop paying for your 2 account, quite frankly it seems a waste of money to pay for somthing you loathe. I once had a sig...it deleted
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.28 19:47:00 - [45] Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 28/01/2007 19:39:13 Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich I may have an advantage over other players, by owning more accounts..i work for them, and i pay ccp for them.....you can do the same or choose not to, up to you. Regardless that you can afford to have multiple accounts ( I have a 2nd account as well but that is only to prevent me from getting left behind in this alt game of ours) I feel that the only advantage you should have over some other player in rl is the advantage of time and not money. Seeing as that is the golden principle that is always praised in games "That you should never have to pay cash to get better at a game but instead devote time" Following your wisdom...people who play this game..from when it went gold..should be nerfed, because their skillpoints and the wealth they have gathered is an advantage over the new players ingame......im sorry life dont work that way...and a computergame, certainly does not. Alts provide players the fullfillment of trying out everything in EVE, without being stuck or left behinde because your char is. 1: to specialized. 2: in the other end of the galxy. 3: sometimes you only have a limited time to play..so you want the best of your time. If ou dont like it..i suggest you stop paying for your 2 account, quite frankly it seems a waste of money to pay for somthing you loathe. I said that the only advantage you should have is time in which case the older players all have since that previously stated time has allowed them to get the sp and the isk they earned. And as for stop paying for something I don't like using its like going to work if you don't the bills don't get paid and you get evicted. Half Assed Rhymage
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said	Posted - 2007.01.28 20:34:00 - [46] Edited by: Galk on 28/01/2007 20:31:40 Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich I may have an advantage over other players, by owning more accounts..i work for them, and i pay ccp for them.....you can do the same or choose not to, up to you. I think this is generaly where eve fails it's customers, statements as such from players where expectance is placed apon peers to 'do the same' as some sort of mandatory requirement to compete on a level. You will find in every walk of life, that there are those with principles that stay well away from that particular never ending trap. What does suprise me more though is that i see people such as yourself constantly talk with elequence about the rigid structure of the game and how players should adear to that sequence, yet seeming principles are easily forgoten when applied to personal circumstance, as you so clearly demonstrate. And ofcourse far worse when there appears to be a seeming belief that because ccp profit from any situation like this, it somehow makes it acceptable in the eyes of eve's most ridged belivers. Generaly why i tend to ingore the various sermon speeches from both ccp and eve's most dedicated voices, when attempted to apply them to how i should act and do. It can't mean anything to me when you have an open mind and take everything into account. ______
Soporo	Posted - 2007.01.28 20:51:00 - [47] gets on soapbox EVE is ALL about metagaming. N00b Corp spies/suicide gank/scouts/haulers/macros/farmers, ISK sales, GTC sales, Charracter Sales, multiple accounts, GAH This game could be sooo much more without all this metagaming crap. Unfortunately, I don't see this happening as CCP appears to love it. All I can do is try to mitigate it's impact on me. When I get tired of it all, this will be the main reason I bail.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.28 20:58:00 - [48] Originally by: Soporo gets on soapbox EVE is ALL about metagaming. N00b Corp spies/suicide gank/scouts/haulers/macros/farmers, ISK sales, GTC sales, Charracter Sales, multiple accounts, GAH This game could be sooo much more without all this metagaming crap. Unfortunately, I don't see this happening as CCP appears to love it. All I can do is try to mitigate it's impact on me. When I get tired of it all, this will be the main reason I bail. COPYPASTA! (I'm just saying that because I saw you post this in C&P a few days ago ) Half Assed Rhymage
Soporo	Posted - 2007.01.28 21:07:00 - [49] Edited by: Soporo on 28/01/2007 21:03:49 And it can't be said enough, immho.
Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.28 22:45:00 - [50] Originally by: Soporo gets on soapbox EVE is ALL about metagaming. N00b Corp spies/suicide gank/scouts/haulers/macros/farmers, ISK sales, GTC sales, Charracter Sales, multiple accounts, GAH This game could be sooo much more without all this metagaming crap. Unfortunately, I don't see this happening as CCP appears to love it. All I can do is try to mitigate it's impact on me. When I get tired of it all, this will be the main reason I bail. Well...its not gonna change so.... I once had a sig...it deleted
Infinity Ziona Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.28 23:15:00 - [51] Yep, I agree Multiple characters per account are too easy If they want an alliance hauler, safe in space from war decs and enemies They should play another game, cus EvE is not safe and fairy Its dangerous and scary, the way its supposed to be Or if they really must be a ***** and hide in anonimity They should pay to play, like me The Privateering Life
Hilabana Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.01.28 23:32:00 - [52] First off i have one account that has 3 char on it and i love it that way ! And having ALT's is fun you do not get trap to one little system you can play more then one role to see what its like .
Hannibell	Posted - 2007.01.29 01:31:00 - [53] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin I feel that the only advantage you should have over some other player in rl is the advantage of time and not money. Time IS money... so the adolescent and the unemployed should have an advantage over those of us who actually WORK to be able to play, pay for, and maximize our Eve time productivity? that simply makes no sense from an IG or RL perspective. I cant play 20 hours a day. I have a real job, and a real life.. I CAN run 2 (or more) accounts for 4-6 hours a few nights a week (meaning 8 to 12 'man hours' each time) to make up for that. as long as you are footing the bill yourself, and actually doing the 'mouse work' it is up to each player to decide what level of personal expense they wish to incur.. I like building things.. CCP made it so Heavy Industry REQUIRES multiple builders on a strict schedule to maintain an assembly line.. trying to arrange seperate players (scattered across the globe) to manage and maintain those production lines FOR A GAME.. is an impossible task. remove 'untrained scout alts'? sure no problem, but attempting to limit players to a single account is foolhardy at best and financial ruin for CCP at worst. YOU CHOSE your level of involvement.. dont complain about those who chose to be more involved than you enjoy...
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.29 03:39:00 - [54] Originally by: Hannibell Originally by: Marcus TheMartin I feel that the only advantage you should have over some other player in rl is the advantage of time and not money. Time IS money... Meh time is what you make of it and nothing more. The beauty of eve is you don't have to grind to skill up in the game (unless your trying to get a capital skill book or something). You have to understand that the affairs of alternate accounts have warped the player economy so much (and im not talking about the item market). The information,mining, and space trucking business can simply be bought for $15 a month instead of interacting with some one else like the game advocates. I don't even want to start talking about the character trade market Half Assed Rhymage

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