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Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.28 04:14:00 - [1] Downtime has ended time to log on He tried to log on only to find his alt's account was gone No longer could he haul this was an outrage Now he must live trapped in his lowsec cage Downtime has ended time to log on He tried to log on only to find his alt's account was gone The Corp was ready to unviel their big plan His corp was dissapointed to find they lost their inside man Downtime has ended time to log on He tried to log on only to find his alt's account was gone No more income from missions in high sec His PVP life has become a real wreck Downtime has ended time to log on He tried to log on only to find his alt's account was gone The CEO of MegaMiners* found his corp was missing 50 He always suspected that his employees were acting a little shifty Downtime has ended time to log on He tried to log on to find his alt's account was gone No longer was there a reason to wear a tinfoil hat The $15 spies were knocked out of the park as tuxford hit a home run with his nerfbat Downtime has ended time to log on He tried to log on only to find his alt's account was gone Gone were the days he could sit in the station playing the lottery The pure industrialists rejoiced "Yippie!" Downtime has ended time to log on He tried to log on only to find his alt's account was gone How would he check the gate traffic he wondered Solo gate camping could now be quite dangerous he mumbled Downtime has ended time to log on He tried to log on only to find his alt's account was gone X corp has left the alliance it seems what a shock There was an alt corp leeching off of us no wonder they would never talk. (half assed rhyming stops here) Time passed and things changed new things started happening to the game. Folinaz Greenier(fictional player) Started a mass transport corporation and was war dec'ed by many a greedy corp only to find out that his haulers weren't tards and had escorts. Ted Stevens convinced the pirate corps to agree to have 1 safe haven where they could buy and sell their goods to one another across this vast series of tubes. Agent Y formed a dedicated spynet and opened a mass information business of dedicated security infiltrators. The Privateers lost 400 members that day. Goonfleet lost 2000. Mass chaos swept the forums but in the end every one realized it would be ok. And all was good Please flame below the dotted line ---------------------------------------------------------------------
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.01.28 04:31:00 - [2] Single account and I do quite well for myself.
Siriyana Astrum Contract Services Group	Posted - 2007.01.28 04:38:00 - [3] I am SO confused. Wha? ----- CEO, Astrum Contract Services Group
Par'Gellen Low Grade Ore	Posted - 2007.01.28 04:45:00 - [4] Does anyone know what he's talking about? ---
Rustimon Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.28 04:47:00 - [5] Single account. Single Character. Only have one mind with which to rule.
Danthomir	Posted - 2007.01.28 04:53:00 - [6] One main account: 20 dollars/month. Main account and an alt account: 40 dollars/month. ... Main account and N alt accounts: 20*(n+1) dollars/month or in other words PROFIT! So while the implications for gameplay would be fascinating, no, that's not gonna happen. Happily, it doesn't stop people from doing stuff - it's just that there may be an easier albeit less stylish/possibly more expensive way of doing it.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.28 04:55:00 - [7] 3 characters, one account. You don't need multiple accounts to play EVE. -[23] Member- Note: Dark Shikari will be away until Sunday.
Faith Black Minmatar Rolls Roids	Posted - 2007.01.28 05:06:00 - [8] Edited by: Faith Black on 28/01/2007 05:05:14 On a serious note, if I had only a pvp char left I'd take my corp mates and go pirating in low sec or gank haulers, miners and ratters in 0.0 to earn isk for the more risky pvp in bigger ships. That's nothing new, several alliance corps do that already, because they only want to pvp. Others call it privateering. I enjoy other aspects of the game, too. Like producing or trying new things out like exploration. ------ Who wants to be Caldari, if he could be 1337 instead ? Minnie 4tw ! ^^
Alski Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.28 05:13:00 - [9] Nice Rhyme -
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2007.01.28 05:36:00 - [10] limiting people to one account is impossible.
Professional Troll	Posted - 2007.01.28 05:37:00 - [11] Unfortunately, I need this alt for important matters... Your toys suck! \|T\|R\|O\|L\|L\|I\|N\|G\| My anti-drug.
Tasuric Orka Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.28 05:48:00 - [12] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker limiting people to one account is impossible. I'm not sure about that. But if would be glorious.. -Scammers/thieves would have to face imprisonment in NPC corps or constant wardecs. -Joe Alliance wouldnt have perfect intel about your pre-emptive strike due to alt spies. -Recon ships wouldnt be in your system 23/7, as they would get bored. -alliance/corps would have to move their stuff under their flag, or would have to hire a third party. -Much less ** spamming trolls. Originally by:** Deja Thoris The dead horse has now been flogged into puree.
Hannibell	Posted - 2007.01.28 05:55:00 - [13] Originally by: Dark Shikari 3 characters, one account. You don't need multiple accounts to play EVE. true perhaps before the last major Industry changes, but to keep a large Industrial operation running NOW you need Many Many Builders all working on a tight schedule. You can do this with multiple seperate players (hard to manage and control) or multiple accounts (easy to ensure everything stays on schedule besides CCP ENCOURAGES multiple accounts.. more accounts=more profit.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.28 06:12:00 - [14] Originally by: Dark Shikari 3 characters, one account. You don't need multiple accounts to play EVE. I consider multi character accounts alts as well yes I have an alt but I will gladly let him wash away if they all vanished If this game is to truely by a player driven economy you must implement the limitations that come with being just one man. Also I didn't make my little poem multi gender because there are no girls on the internet
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express	Posted - 2007.01.28 08:22:00 - [15] The problem lies in the ability to weed out duplicates without denying accounts to others. Places that share IPs among employees or tenants such as apartment complexes, hotels, and workplaces make it impossible to play in those places or log on as you could be tagged the alt of someone else even if you're not. Other MMOs try such measures and turn away as many real customers as supposed alts. I don't see CCP be willing to do this. It would cost them to much revenue. I'd say at least a third of the current subscriptions are alt accounts, possibly even more than that. Galactic Express Recruitment Post
Rabb Darktide Independent Fleet O X I D E	Posted - 2007.01.28 08:43:00 - [16] Not to mention CCP would be liable for refunds of multiple accounts banned do to a policy change - ESPECIALLY since they actively encourage having more than one account. ----- INDF Recruitment
Dukath	Posted - 2007.01.28 08:57:00 - [17] Edited by: Dukath on 28/01/2007 08:54:35 Removing alts is too late. Should have been single character per account from the start. However a lot of alt abuse can be removed easily. Allow only 1 alt in space at a given time. The other characters must be docked or 'parked' inside a POS. It would still be possible to login on another character which is docked or parked, but that character would not be able to undock. Undocking is only possible if all other characters in the same account are docked or parked. (parking would need to be a new feature locking the ship to a POS) So trading, CEO management etc would be possible, but not undocking. It would have no effect on legitimate alts, but it would severely affect alt scouts. They can't just logout in the middle of hostile space and go play another character when the alt is not needed.
Par'Gellen Low Grade Ore	Posted - 2007.01.28 10:13:00 - [18] Edited by: Par''Gellen on 28/01/2007 10:10:23 Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker limiting people to one account is impossible. Limiting people to one account on the same computer at the same time is as easy as the client checking your process information at startup and killing itself if it's already running. Very easy to do and I do it in my apps just to keep people from launching more than one by accident then asking me for help about it Multiple computers would still be possible though of course or maybe an emulator like Virtual PC. Not that I'd support limiting people to only one account. I like my alt ---
Haldane IV Einstein's Dreams	Posted - 2007.01.28 10:13:00 - [19] It is an interesting theoretical debate. Personally I think having 3 alt characters to play with makes the game richer both for the individual and the game community at large, given you can only train/equip/on-line one character at a time. However it always struck me as somehow ônot quite rightö that you can use multiple accounts to use and on-line more than one character at a time. In a way I admire peoplesÆ ability to control two or more ships at once; sometimes I think paying for two accounts is almost like buying isk to get an advantage over the guy using one account/ship (for instance you can mine and have a hauler on hand too so you can mine faster and not share with a buddy in a hauler, you can have a dedicated fast tackler ship to lock down prey for your dedicated attack ship, etc.)
Kanuo Ashkeron Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2007.01.28 10:15:00 - [20] Every eve player has to buy an iris scanner, so that characters can be mapped to eyes and voila you only can have 1 alt anymore (main with the right eye, alt with the left ). Hopefully nobody comes up with bad ideas now. Kanuo
Za Po Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.28 10:20:00 - [21] I really wish that one man only had one character. That's how I play, but God knows I am at a disadvantage compared to alt-users. Especially those that employ multiple accounts. Unfortunately, it will never happen. There are multiple reasons, each of which would be enough by itself, for which removing alts will never happen. 1) Users of alts would complain to high heaven about the lost character, assets, skillpoints and everything. They'd be quite right too. If I had two characters on one account, it means that I have invested at least some time into the alt, time which I could have invested in the main. It's unfair to take that away from me. 2) Multiple accounts are impossible to detect in a verifiable fashion. What do you do - check the IP addresses? No, you can't, because the player can claim that they are two players behind a NAT router. Disallow paying more than one account with one CC? No, you can't, because the player can claim that he's paying for his little brother or something. Require some sort of unique data, such as the ID card number, SSN, or whatever? Players will complain about violation of privacy - and they'll just borrow numbers from friends anyway. No, there is simply no way to prevent players from using multiple accounts. 3) Economical reasons. Multiple accounts bring CCP money. Oh, removing alts would considerably improve the game, which in turn would bring some more players, but the overall net profit is probably markedly in favor of selling multiple accounts. 4) If CCP removed secondary characters while still allowing multiple accounts, which is the only solution that is technically possible, they would be flamed to hell by people who would claim that they did so in order to force every alt user to buy a second account. The obvious truth - that they did so because alts detract from the game - would fly over their heads.
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm Eternal Rangers of Terror	Posted - 2007.01.28 11:12:00 - [22] I have: One char to rule them all One char to find them (with my intel agents) One char to bring the noise and in 0.0 pwn them! down w/ the alts, up w/ 'real' chars
lusifar	Posted - 2007.01.28 11:36:00 - [23] Originally by: Dark Shikari 3 characters, one account. You don't need multiple accounts to play EVE. i totally agree, its a bounch of profitable ** that ccp are so asstight that you can learn on more then one charecter for each account! the fact that they incurage any kind of profitable non gamegiving play is really far out and will incurage ebayers, and other kind of game unbalance issues and problem... that they have made it so you can sell accaunts on there own site is a outrage, the fact that you can only sell it for isk is not doing anything(isk resell for a nice price as i understand it), and that gtc is a well known isk income in eve, which just means "a way to buy isk"... it is a bounch of profitable *s that have absolute no knowledge of morale or etics, they are *** it up for themselve and all other players, by incuraging stupid that only have one function "profit"... it have nothing to do with making a great universal game, or giving joy to alot of people, or even making a fair and equelly game.. no it is ONLY about profit for the creators, nothing else..' which they prove time and time again, by doing stupid like multiple accounts (which is a "MOST HAVE" if you wanna acomplice anything in eve), accaunt selling/trading(but ofcause for 20$, wtf would they take any money for this? makes no sense, other then to * and rap.e their customers as much as possible and fotos on your char 10$ WTF! this is features that (if possible) would be totally free in any other online game, because you already paid for the right to do whatever is within the bounties of the game). only reason any of this profit whoring is in any kind possible is because it is online, which means worldwide, which means DAMN hard to take to court... taking money for a product that you already procased is against the law, and worse then that, they really *this concept... all they are doing is just screaming out "LOOK AT US!.. we will *the system as much as human possible untill some one get so tired of it that they will be a lawsuit where there will be set up strait rules and a high punishment"... why is it that people think they need to ***a system as much as possible just because people arn't jumping them in the first secound and ripping their heads of?! just my thoughts and the profitable, foto, charekter ownership, and multiple accounts nessacerity... FLAME ON!!
Atreides Horza Soar Angelic	Posted - 2007.01.28 11:43:00 - [24] Edited by: Atreides Horza on 28/01/2007 11:40:16 The moaning and groaning of peeps without alts is hardly our headaches or anyone's faults. If you have an issue, why don't buy a tissue instead of these poetic somersaults.
lusifar	Posted - 2007.01.28 11:48:00 - [25] Originally by: Rabb Darktide Not to mention CCP would be liable for refunds of multiple accounts banned do to a policy change - ESPECIALLY since they actively encourage having more than one account. actually in the agreement you agrees to "CCP may terminate the EULA, close all your Accounts, and cancel all rights granted to you under the EULA if: iv) CCP becomes aware of game play, chat or player activity under your Account that is, in CCP's discretion, inappropriate or in violation of the Rules of Conduct. Such termination shall be effective upon notice transmitted via electronic mail, or any other means reasonably calculated to reach you. CCP reserves the right to terminate any and all other Accounts that share the name, phone number, e-mail address, internet protocol address or credit card number with the closed Account. Termination by CCP under this section shall be without prejudice to or waiver of any and all of CCP's other rights or remedies, all of which are expressly reserved, survive termination, and are cumulative. You will not receive a refund of prepaid subscription fees for a termination pursuant to this section. " and actually you agree when you open an account that ccp can for "whatever reason" close your account (actually what we all agreed on is that we have no rights at all.... which i find funny because you pay for the right, so i clearly do not see how they can write something like that in the open accaunt agreement (it is quite funny to read)..
CrestoftheStars Deviance Inc	Posted - 2007.01.28 11:50:00 - [26] Originally by: Atreides Horza Edited by: Atreides Horza on 28/01/2007 11:40:16 The moaning and groaning of peeps without alts is hardly our headaches or anyone's faults. If you have an issue, why don't buy a tissue instead of these poetic somersaults. one more idiot to statement... i have alts. and i agree.. with all those who think that incurouging more then one account is wrong. ___________________________________________ come on.. stop thinking about YOU. and start thinking about All of us... how do we get a more fun and enjoyable game for all of us.
Hypatia Iola	Posted - 2007.01.28 12:06:00 - [27] Edited by: Hypatia Iola on 28/01/2007 12:08:01 Edited by: Hypatia Iola on 28/01/2007 12:07:46 i'm confused... if you don't want enemy corps(alliances) to know what you're up to, either get some real security, ie Compartmentalise everything so if one part is compromised the rest may not be or cut down corp size so that you know you can trust your buddies. Serioulsy. As far as no full blown account alts... why? If someone is willing to pay extra for the ability to do stuff, why in the world would you begrudge him that?(i do agree no chicks online lol) edit and to the guy who went off on a rambling speech about ISK sales and stuff like that Holy Jeez man, how much heart medication do you take? seriously chill out. I'd buy ISK if it wasn't EULA-prohibited. I haven't got the time(seriously) to mine, farm, rat, and otherwise do all the random crap you have to do to make money in this game. I'm not buying an alt acct for this very reason.
Atreides Horza Soar Angelic	Posted - 2007.01.28 12:23:00 - [28] Originally by: CrestoftheStars one more idiot to statement... i have alts. and i agree.. with all those who think that incurouging more then one account is wrong. You have an alt, yet you agree that it should not be allowed? Standards are good - double standards are twice as good? :lol: As for the idiot part, your spelling doesn't exactly make you head of the class, you think?
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.01.28 12:50:00 - [29] It's a very fine line to walk. The ability to run many accounts will always give an advantage of some sort, regardless the game. The danger of that for any online game company is how necessary having multiple accounts becomes in order to play their game competively. It is a MAJOR turn off to prospective new players if they need to pay for several accounts of the game they are considering. Imagine if these new games coming out like, Conan or Vanguard, had an advisory on the side of their box, "Recomend 2 or 3 accounts per player". Yeah, right. That'd go over like a lead balloon. So to the Pro Alts crowd I would say, be careful. You may just be advocating the one thing that might just lead to a premature death of the game you are playing. To the Anti Alts crowd I would say, you might as well strike up a conversation with your shoe. Players running multiple accounts are as inevitable as death and taxes. And to Marcus, 10/10 for creativity! ------------------- Ignorance
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.28 13:02:00 - [30] It's a thin line to thread, having 5 horus to play per day rather then just one always will gove some form of advantage. Multi accounts aren't a problem. If anything is it's multiple chars on each account. Nobody's going to waste a complete account ona noobcorp scouting char. Let everyone train up several aaccounts if they want, more accounts means higher flexibility as return for higher ingame upkeep cost and higher RL upkeep costs. Alts gone ? Yes. Multi-accounting gone, no. Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.28 13:16:00 - [31] Originally by: Par'Gellen Edited by: Par''Gellen on 28/01/2007 10:10:23 Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker limiting people to one account is impossible. Limiting people to one account on the same computer at the same time is as easy as the client checking your process information at startup and killing itself if it's already running. Very easy to do and I do it in my apps just to keep people from launching more than one by accident then asking me for help about it Multiple computers would still be possible though of course or maybe an emulator like Virtual PC. Not that I'd support limiting people to only one account. I like my alt People will do that... "True" spies have multiples accounts. "I know somebody who know" a guy with 4 accounts :) Paying $30 per month for an harcore player is not very much. Most (75%) of them have multiple accounts. ----- History is made by whinners
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said	Posted - 2007.01.28 13:28:00 - [32] Edited by: Galk on 28/01/2007 13:28:30 I think any problem is largely lack of self discipline among the playerbase. Due to the nature of the game and the win at all cost attitude from it's niche select playerbase, i spose that can't be helped. The world of eve would be better without multiple accounting, but it's too late now to change it:/ As for the old alt v's account... There's no way to avocate one and dispel the other when they are primarily used for the same abuses by many and most. Anyone that disagrees with that is just self serving their own interests edit. Kweel, it doesn't take hardcore anymore, people just throw timecodes on them... hence the explosion of player numbers cough* ______
Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.28 14:43:00 - [33] Originally by: Tasuric Orka Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker limiting people to one account is impossible. I'm not sure about that. But if would be glorious.. -Scammers/thieves would have to face imprisonment in NPC corps or constant wardecs. -Joe Alliance wouldnt have perfect intel about your pre-emptive strike due to alt spies. -Recon ships wouldnt be in your system 23/7, as they would get bored. -alliance/corps would have to move their stuff under their flag, or would have to hire a third party. -Much less **** spamming trolls. It is impossible---i have no problem provinding Credit cards,Billing accounts and multiple IP's...the op who started this tread, dont know what he is talking about.....CCP would never limit one account pr player..simply because it would mean they would loose bussiness. I once had a sig...it deleted
Ashiana	Posted - 2007.01.28 14:52:00 - [34] Edited by: Ashiana on 28/01/2007 14:48:35 Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Also I didn't make my little poem multi gender because there are no girls on the internet Nah, we just don't talk to sexist losers
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.28 14:58:00 - [35] If people are willing to pay for a second account, then they're entitled to have one. And I'm saying that as a player who has only one account and will only ever HAVE one account. ***
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.28 17:30:00 - [36] Originally by: Ashiana Edited by: Ashiana on 28/01/2007 14:48:35 Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Also I didn't make my little poem multi gender because there are no girls on the internet Nah, we just don't talk to sexist losers Jeez don't take so much offense its a 4chan joke dude Half Assed Rhymage
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.28 17:33:00 - [37] Originally by: Stitcher If people are willing to pay for a second account, then they're entitled to have one. And I'm saying that as a player who has only one account and will only ever HAVE one account. But if using real world currency to your advantage in an mmo is frowned upon (buying credits), Is not having an alternate account the exact same thing? Half Assed Rhymage
Tasuric Orka Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.28 17:56:00 - [38] Originally by: Stitcher If people are willing to pay for a second account, then they're entitled to have one. And I'm saying that as a player who has only one account and will only ever HAVE one account. Not by default, currently it's just because ccp allows it, but they might as well have not allowed it from the start. I believe the game would be better without alt's and multiple accounts, people would have to choose their path and live it, currently there is just no accountability, if you want to steal a few POS, empty a corp hanger, scam people for billions.. just create an alt and live with the wealth you gathered. It's lame and goes against everything ccp supposedly wants this game to be.. but like was said, it's too late now. Originally by: Deja Thoris The dead horse has now been flogged into puree.
Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.28 18:23:00 - [39] Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 28/01/2007 18:20:39 Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Stitcher If people are willing to pay for a second account, then they're entitled to have one. And I'm saying that as a player who has only one account and will only ever HAVE one account. But if using real world currency to your advantage in an mmo is frowned upon (buying credits), Is not having an alternate account the exact same thing? Out of game buying of isk and items at varius dubius websites ...profit goes not to CCP. Buying of accounts at CCP...Profit goes to CCP. I have Several accounts in EVE...so i can enjoy the whole spectre If you are of that conviction, that i have an advantage over those who operate 1 account only, your proberly right...but nothing prevents you from byuing a 2 account, CCP eveb endorse it...by the power of 2....There is no comparison between these 2 types of playing style..if you buy isk/Items at a reseller site, you will proberly get banned if CCP can catch you, according to the EULA. There is No way ccp..could or would go to 1 user.1 account, as long as there are byuing customers. Now we have had the CTRLQ discussion this week allready, several times, you said using of alts and other accounts is the same...metagaming. It seems to me...that you are arguing for the arguments alone. I may have an advantage over other players, by owning more accounts..i work for them, and i pay ccp for them.....you can do the same or choose not to, up to you. I once had a sig...it deleted
Bryg Philomena Green Lantern Corps	Posted - 2007.01.28 18:53:00 - [40] Originally by: Dukath Edited by: Dukath on 28/01/2007 08:54:35 Removing alts is too late. Should have been single character per account from the start. However a lot of alt abuse can be removed easily. Allow only 1 alt in space at a given time. The other characters must be docked or 'parked' inside a POS. It would still be possible to login on another character which is docked or parked, but that character would not be able to undock. Undocking is only possible if all other characters in the same account are docked or parked. (parking would need to be a new feature locking the ship to a POS) So trading, CEO management etc would be possible, but not undocking. It would have no effect on legitimate alts, but it would severely affect alt scouts. They can't just logout in the middle of hostile space and go play another character when the alt is not needed. thats impossible, for one, I have 2 alts, and a main. of all these chars I will run mini-mining ops, or say moving around goods moving all chars throughout the galaxy to one point? it would take hours longer a task I would hate. Also, how is it to be done to limit 1 char to 1 person? IP? Shared IP. Credit Card? Parents subbing multiple children. MAC address? Shared PC. It's not possible at this point in time. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=465618
Ikvar Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.28 18:58:00 - [41] Originally by: Dark Shikari 3 characters, one account. You don't need multiple accounts to play EVE. I do. Also, I very much doubt if CCP will ever ban multiple accounting, because it'd mean they get one sub fee from me, rather than 5. Also it'd be pretty hard to enforce. Originally by: Rekindle I was in an empire system when they used their grief tactics to explode everything I own.
Fester Addams Minmatar	Posted - 2007.01.28 19:11:00 - [42] Nice poem. As for what you could catch with the removing of alts. Multiple accounts can not be caught as each new account is a separate entity, CCP would be fools to not allow people to pay for two, three or more accounts. Each account can have 3 characters, I very much doubt we will see that drop to one ever, eve is already harsh in only allowing 3 characters to an account, most other MMO's have much higher limits if any at all. The one thing I would like is for a player to be able to use ingame mechanics to track who is connected to whom. For example you could be able to get to see a players transactions log, who has he given isk to and hom has he been given isk from... Mail info could also be datamined, the actual context should naturally be private but who did the char send eve-main to and from whom did he recieve could be open. The same with chat, there could be a way to find out what chats a player is currently in and what chats he has been in in the past, no actual text need be there just that he has been in chat with a person. IN the extreme case you could even allow a player to gain the knowledge on who the players alts are but I would prefer that to remain outside of the scope of such data mining. Naturally you wont be able to get OOG comunication but it would be one more possibility to track characters. I very much doubt this will happen but one can hope.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.28 19:26:00 - [43] Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich I may have an advantage over other players, by owning more accounts..i work for them, and i pay ccp for them.....you can do the same or choose not to, up to you. Regardless that you can afford to have multiple accounts ( I have a 2nd account as well but that is only to prevent me from getting left behind in this alt game of ours) I feel that the only advantage you should have over some other player in rl is the advantage of time and not money. Seeing as that is the golden principle that is always praised in games "That you should never have to pay cash to get better at a game but instead devote time" Half Assed Rhymage
Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.28 19:34:00 - [44] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich I may have an advantage over other players, by owning more accounts..i work for them, and i pay ccp for them.....you can do the same or choose not to, up to you. Regardless that you can afford to have multiple accounts ( I have a 2nd account as well but that is only to prevent me from getting left behind in this alt game of ours) I feel that the only advantage you should have over some other player in rl is the advantage of time and not money. Seeing as that is the golden principle that is always praised in games "That you should never have to pay cash to get better at a game but instead devote time" Following your wisdom...poeple who playe this game..when it went gold..should be nerfed, because their skillpoints and the wealth they have gathered is an advantage over the new player ingame......im sorry life dont work that way...and a computergame, certainly does not. Alts provide players the fullfillment of trying out everything in EVE, without being stuck or left behinde because your char is. 1: to specialized. 2: in the other end of the galxy. 3: sometims you only have a limited time to play..so you want the best of your time. If ou dont like it..i suggest you stop paying for your 2 account, quite frankly it seems a waste of money to pay for somthing you loathe. I once had a sig...it deleted
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.28 19:47:00 - [45] Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 28/01/2007 19:39:13 Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich I may have an advantage over other players, by owning more accounts..i work for them, and i pay ccp for them.....you can do the same or choose not to, up to you. Regardless that you can afford to have multiple accounts ( I have a 2nd account as well but that is only to prevent me from getting left behind in this alt game of ours) I feel that the only advantage you should have over some other player in rl is the advantage of time and not money. Seeing as that is the golden principle that is always praised in games "That you should never have to pay cash to get better at a game but instead devote time" Following your wisdom...people who play this game..from when it went gold..should be nerfed, because their skillpoints and the wealth they have gathered is an advantage over the new players ingame......im sorry life dont work that way...and a computergame, certainly does not. Alts provide players the fullfillment of trying out everything in EVE, without being stuck or left behinde because your char is. 1: to specialized. 2: in the other end of the galxy. 3: sometimes you only have a limited time to play..so you want the best of your time. If ou dont like it..i suggest you stop paying for your 2 account, quite frankly it seems a waste of money to pay for somthing you loathe. I said that the only advantage you should have is time in which case the older players all have since that previously stated time has allowed them to get the sp and the isk they earned. And as for stop paying for something I don't like using its like going to work if you don't the bills don't get paid and you get evicted. Half Assed Rhymage
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said	Posted - 2007.01.28 20:34:00 - [46] Edited by: Galk on 28/01/2007 20:31:40 Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich I may have an advantage over other players, by owning more accounts..i work for them, and i pay ccp for them.....you can do the same or choose not to, up to you. I think this is generaly where eve fails it's customers, statements as such from players where expectance is placed apon peers to 'do the same' as some sort of mandatory requirement to compete on a level. You will find in every walk of life, that there are those with principles that stay well away from that particular never ending trap. What does suprise me more though is that i see people such as yourself constantly talk with elequence about the rigid structure of the game and how players should adear to that sequence, yet seeming principles are easily forgoten when applied to personal circumstance, as you so clearly demonstrate. And ofcourse far worse when there appears to be a seeming belief that because ccp profit from any situation like this, it somehow makes it acceptable in the eyes of eve's most ridged belivers. Generaly why i tend to ingore the various sermon speeches from both ccp and eve's most dedicated voices, when attempted to apply them to how i should act and do. It can't mean anything to me when you have an open mind and take everything into account. ______
Soporo	Posted - 2007.01.28 20:51:00 - [47] gets on soapbox EVE is ALL about metagaming. N00b Corp spies/suicide gank/scouts/haulers/macros/farmers, ISK sales, GTC sales, Charracter Sales, multiple accounts, GAH This game could be sooo much more without all this metagaming crap. Unfortunately, I don't see this happening as CCP appears to love it. All I can do is try to mitigate it's impact on me. When I get tired of it all, this will be the main reason I bail.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.28 20:58:00 - [48] Originally by: Soporo gets on soapbox EVE is ALL about metagaming. N00b Corp spies/suicide gank/scouts/haulers/macros/farmers, ISK sales, GTC sales, Charracter Sales, multiple accounts, GAH This game could be sooo much more without all this metagaming crap. Unfortunately, I don't see this happening as CCP appears to love it. All I can do is try to mitigate it's impact on me. When I get tired of it all, this will be the main reason I bail. COPYPASTA! (I'm just saying that because I saw you post this in C&P a few days ago ) Half Assed Rhymage
Soporo	Posted - 2007.01.28 21:07:00 - [49] Edited by: Soporo on 28/01/2007 21:03:49 And it can't be said enough, immho.
Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.28 22:45:00 - [50] Originally by: Soporo gets on soapbox EVE is ALL about metagaming. N00b Corp spies/suicide gank/scouts/haulers/macros/farmers, ISK sales, GTC sales, Charracter Sales, multiple accounts, GAH This game could be sooo much more without all this metagaming crap. Unfortunately, I don't see this happening as CCP appears to love it. All I can do is try to mitigate it's impact on me. When I get tired of it all, this will be the main reason I bail. Well...its not gonna change so.... I once had a sig...it deleted
Infinity Ziona Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.28 23:15:00 - [51] Yep, I agree Multiple characters per account are too easy If they want an alliance hauler, safe in space from war decs and enemies They should play another game, cus EvE is not safe and fairy Its dangerous and scary, the way its supposed to be Or if they really must be a ***** and hide in anonimity They should pay to play, like me The Privateering Life
Hilabana Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.01.28 23:32:00 - [52] First off i have one account that has 3 char on it and i love it that way ! And having ALT's is fun you do not get trap to one little system you can play more then one role to see what its like .
Hannibell	Posted - 2007.01.29 01:31:00 - [53] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin I feel that the only advantage you should have over some other player in rl is the advantage of time and not money. Time IS money... so the adolescent and the unemployed should have an advantage over those of us who actually WORK to be able to play, pay for, and maximize our Eve time productivity? that simply makes no sense from an IG or RL perspective. I cant play 20 hours a day. I have a real job, and a real life.. I CAN run 2 (or more) accounts for 4-6 hours a few nights a week (meaning 8 to 12 'man hours' each time) to make up for that. as long as you are footing the bill yourself, and actually doing the 'mouse work' it is up to each player to decide what level of personal expense they wish to incur.. I like building things.. CCP made it so Heavy Industry REQUIRES multiple builders on a strict schedule to maintain an assembly line.. trying to arrange seperate players (scattered across the globe) to manage and maintain those production lines FOR A GAME.. is an impossible task. remove 'untrained scout alts'? sure no problem, but attempting to limit players to a single account is foolhardy at best and financial ruin for CCP at worst. YOU CHOSE your level of involvement.. dont complain about those who chose to be more involved than you enjoy...
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.29 03:39:00 - [54] Originally by: Hannibell Originally by: Marcus TheMartin I feel that the only advantage you should have over some other player in rl is the advantage of time and not money. Time IS money... Meh time is what you make of it and nothing more. The beauty of eve is you don't have to grind to skill up in the game (unless your trying to get a capital skill book or something). You have to understand that the affairs of alternate accounts have warped the player economy so much (and im not talking about the item market). The information,mining, and space trucking business can simply be bought for $15 a month instead of interacting with some one else like the game advocates. I don't even want to start talking about the character trade market Half Assed Rhymage

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