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0o0Preatorian0o0 mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.01.28 07:17:00 - [1] I'm sick and tired of killing something outside of a station or near a gate, some ransom alt comming in and taking the loots and just docking. No Flagging nothing.. I've lost more than 2BIL!!!!!! in 1 months! Ive had people convo me after the kill and ask "hey man you get that pith hardner?" If I kill you; Your corp/gang, and My gang should be able to grab it. Others should get Flagged to BOTH Parties, and have a timer to not dock or jump. OR Even lock the wrecks so random nubs cant take it? CCP Please HELP!!!!
Alpine 69 Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.01.28 09:29:00 - [2] Don't kill the faction spawn until you are within looting range, keep it in hull.... eeeeeeek my sig got nerfed again :(
Jarjar exscape corporation	Posted - 2007.01.28 10:54:00 - [3] Originally by: Alpine 69 Don't kill the faction spawn until you are within looting range, keep it in hull.... There are faction spawns outside stations? Uhm, did you even read the post?
Lance Hawke Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.28 15:09:00 - [4] Originally by: Alpine 69 Don't kill the faction spawn until you are within looting range, keep it in hull.... Because nobody PVP's. Everyone just rats, right? Read the post before replying.
YarR Boi	Posted - 2007.01.28 17:43:00 - [5] YES! THATS a great idea!!!
Lennier Cotto Caldari Mentally Unstable Enterprises Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.28 18:06:00 - [6] I'll second that. Loot thiefs are the lowest scum in eve.
Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.28 18:27:00 - [7] signed.... I do War Dec anyone I see stealing from "my" wrecks. its those that hide in noob corps to save themselfes and make a living out of it that I hate. Change of "ownership" for the wrecks to the guy who landed the killing blow would be ideal.
MoLeH Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.01.28 18:31:00 - [8] Awww privateers are whining that they arent allways getting the loot of the people they camp in jita all day, what a shame.
GBoS Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.28 18:39:00 - [9] Originally by: MoLeH Awww privateers are whining that they arent allways getting the loot of the people they camp in jita all day, what a shame. I don't think it's just Privateers that don't like having their loot stolen..
angel2007	Posted - 2007.01.28 18:42:00 - [10] i think you miss the point there there are loads of noobs and vulcers that make a living from steeling loot from kills at gates and stations now this problem needs to be fix how ccp go about doing it who knows ask yourself this how would you feel if you keep killing ships and you never got anything because people get to the wreck befor you and steel the loot its not fair after a while you will be peed off what i suject is that ccp should look at locking the loot someway so only as above the owner or the person who kill him or her or the gang and corp can get it only
Fuujin Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative	Posted - 2007.01.28 18:48:00 - [11] oh BOO HOO
angel2007	Posted - 2007.01.28 18:55:00 - [12] well i guess Fuujin is 1 of the few that dont mind his loot stolen
Cindi Velarus	Posted - 2007.01.28 19:08:00 - [13] Loot should be seen/stolen by anyone. That would be consistent with the freedom you have in the eve universe. However, the lack of penalties destroys the system. This system rewards cowards that hide in NPC undeccable corps and penalizes those who encourage PvP and make EVE what it is. Solution? If A corp kills B corp's ship, the wreck should belong to both A and B corp. They are at war anyway so you don't have to worry about flagging. This way if a C corp (some NPC corp) takes the loot from the wreck they will be flagged to BOTH A and B corp (in other words flagged to the victor and original owner). He/She would also be flagged for the 15 minutes ALONG with the 1 minute denial of docking or jumping privileges. I think this solution is a well balanced and needed compromise, and it doesn't violate the "freedom" one has in EVE.
angel2007	Posted - 2007.01.28 19:12:00 - [14] yeah i will go with that idea fair system i think
Stooboy Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.28 20:24:00 - [15] Sounds like a good idea, it is a bit ludicrous you cant enjoy the spoils of war, due to some npc corp picking it up and trundling off without you being able to do anything!!
Baji Core Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.28 21:06:00 - [16] I quite agree. Having flagging respective to both killer and victim just makes sense, and is consistent with the rest of Eve.
Sokratesz Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.01.28 21:56:00 - [17] I agree with the '1min no docking' and dual flagging solution. Would make empire wars alot more interesting. With privateers outside Jita 4M4 for the past days, theres always a bunch of nubs running to the wreck the second something gets popped... Basilisk Fitting Link
Trustus mUfFiN fAcToRy Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.29 14:28:00 - [18] I agree, i hate players steeling without any flag or similar. Something must be done /T [url=www.muffin-factory.com/kb2?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=58021] [/url]
Katana Seiko Made in Germany	Posted - 2007.01.29 15:18:00 - [19] Edited by: Katana Seiko on 29/01/2007 15:20:17 first of all, a bunch of dots and kommas for angel2007, i have no idea what (he? she?) wants to say in post #10: ...........,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, okay, the thing with the flagging should be changed. but then there's an other thing: sometimes some nub jumps in, grabs your loot, jets it for himself. you kill the flagged player, an other player jumps in, grabs the jetted can and the remains of that nub ship... this exploiting of the flagging mechanism should be changed too: if someone is flagged, the containers he drops should be accessible by the ones he's been stealing from too - without penalty... --- The future begins now - in EVE we live it, in real life we create it!
Ynos Fukse	Posted - 2007.01.29 16:23:00 - [20] ok please ccp sort this issue out where there is a proble is that when killing a war target you have people outside your gang corp and victims that come right up to the ship your killing and and when you kill it thay take the loot and run off and jump a gate or **** with no penalty other than the 15 min dcc what is the point in this please sort this out to where thay get a 2 min docking and gate jump penalty so the people that have kill the target and victim and there corp and gang get to kill the person while hes got this penalty
gerku Anarchy Technologies Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.29 16:53:00 - [21] people that whine against this threat either already lost there ships cople off times 2 privateer's i agree with this guy you got nuubs waiting hour's and looting everything they can tbh i don't it must be changed aswell only corp mates off the guy that got killed can be able 2 take loot or the guy's that are on the killmail off the guy simple as it is :s
zwerg Caldari mUfFiN fAcToRy Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.29 19:29:00 - [22] I aggree, please fix! /z Save the whales!!! Harpoon some Amarrians!!!! It's great being minmatard isnt it?!
Helferin	Posted - 2007.01.29 19:31:00 - [23] Omg finally someone started a good thread about this sake! i totally aggree wiht our pirate preatorian! This problem really has to get solved! greetings, helf.
nutbar Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.01.29 23:26:00 - [24] OMG LOLZ NOOBSAUCE STOLEZ MUH FAT LEWTZ FTL!! :( :( Sheesh, you sit in Jita 4/4 all day long and pop the 50 or so corps you've dec'd and you cry when someone beats you to the loot? Cry me a river - why don't you find something more productive to do than grief people and add to the Jita lag? I'm pretty sure CCP won't "help" you find more reason to grief in Jita :)
Ynos Fukse	Posted - 2007.01.29 23:57:00 - [25] nutbar you sound like 1 of the people that take the loot from wrecks befor anyone can get to it lol this is an eve wide problem with not just this alliance im sure other corp and alliances would like to see some changes made so we have a chance of poping the person who stole the loot its a bit unfair that you can take the loot and dock right away there should be a time limit of say 1 to 2 mins that you cant dock or jump gates
nutbar Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.01.30 05:02:00 - [26] Originally by: Ynos Fukse nutbar you sound like 1 of the people that take the loot from wrecks befor anyone can get to it lol Sadly, not me. I've witnessed a few killings, and I just rush over to steal the corpses (collecting my ammo for those corpse launchers we were supposed to get on xmas!). Sometimes I yoink drones if they're sitting there - but I've actually been too slow to get to the wrecks :D I did this for about 10 minutes and got bored and moved on doing things that net me way more isk and fun. It does take some bawlz to steal the loot in the wrecks though - could be other corp members sitting around or what have you. I don't necessarily agree with a 1-2minute dock timeout, however I was under the impression that agression countdown timers were supposed to PAUSE when you were docked, but they don't :P I say CCP should try and make the game a bit more realistic IMHO - too many "nerf this, boost that" things going on to make "everything fair" (sorry, but life is never fair - if you want to win, do what it takes to win, don't cry and hope for a sympathy nerf/boost). Whatever that means to how this game mechanic should work? I don't know - perhaps stations in high sec space should attack people who attack others - either war declarations or not... it's bad for business to be shopping and meanwhile see people shooting one another right on your front doorstep don't you think?!
ElweSingollo The Vanyar Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:18:00 - [27] Originally by: Cindi Velarus Loot should be seen/stolen by anyone. That would be consistent with the freedom you have in the eve universe. However, the lack of penalties destroys the system. This system rewards cowards that hide in NPC undeccable corps and penalizes those who encourage PvP and make EVE what it is. Solution? If A corp kills B corp's ship, the wreck should belong to both A and B corp. They are at war anyway so you don't have to worry about flagging. This way if a C corp (some NPC corp) takes the loot from the wreck they will be flagged to BOTH A and B corp (in other words flagged to the victor and original owner). He/She would also be flagged for the 15 minutes ALONG with the 1 minute denial of docking or jumping privileges. I think this solution is a well balanced and needed compromise, and it doesn't violate the "freedom" one has in EVE. Issue with that is that it would lead to a free for all when people suicide there ships to kill someone in empire i.e. not at war mate from the same corp comes along tags the loot and would GET NO FLAG. Not a good situation to have if you have suicided to kill someone that yoou should bear the risk of being killed if you then get a corp mate alt whatever to loot the remains of that can.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.30 07:34:00 - [28] Edited by: Venkul Mul on 30/01/2007 07:35:40 Originally by: angel2007 i think you miss the point there there are loads of noobs and vulcers that make a living from steeling loot from kills at gates and stations now this problem needs to be fix how ccp go about doing it who knows ask yourself this how would you feel if you keep killing ships and you never got anything because people get to the wreck befor you and steel the loot its not fair after a while you will be peed off what i suject is that ccp should look at locking the loot someway so only as above the owner or the person who kill him or her or the gang and corp can get it only I find it perfectly normal. It is the same, identical trend the Privateer are following. NO LOCATION IS SAFE. If picking the wreck someone has produced flag you to both the ex owner and the one that has produced it, then picking the ore a ore thief has can flipped should flag the one producing it to the miner and the ore thief. But then that will start a chain of ownership/aggression. And require a lot of extra code. People has adapted to the chance of loot in high security, you should adapt too.
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.01.30 13:06:00 - [29] okay if u steal something simply make the 15 minute timer apply to not being able to dock , jump thro a gate and if u log u stay in space for the 15 minutes to ( sounds fiar) makes the can theif jump around this could be applied to all jetcans and wrecks
Ulviirala Vauryndar Cohortes Stellaris G.U.A.R.D.	Posted - 2007.01.30 13:30:00 - [30] In my early days of EVE, I used to collect loot cans that at stargates, people left behind. They simply didn't bother to pick up the loot but I was happy about some free equipment and high minerals from reprocessing. Though people generally shoot everything that's blinkin' red, even if they had no interest or whatsoever in looting but only bounties for example. Man, thats a low attitude, but PVP is fun, isn't it? :P Well, that was off-topic ;) Oke Cortes, I gif up. You won. 400x80 @ 23,239 bytes ^_^

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