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LLucan Dleaur
The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.30 21:28:00 -
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CCP has already noted that the fees are for Vivox and their voice services. Eve Voice is not another $$$ sink for CCP.
If anything, they are just helping Vivox get their fingers into your wallet.
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Fierce Deity
Gallente Hera Star
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Posted - 2007.01.30 21:34:00 -
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When you go to work do you not expect to be paid?
Vivox is the same they expect to be paid. and yeah with a little extra cash on the side.
I mean seriously why complain about them making extra cash. everyone does it, look at eve's market ffs you get most of the items on there for free from loot drops, do people put them in the market for zero dollars? feck no. They sell it for some 500k-1 mil, so who's the greedy money grabbers here them or us? ------FD------
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TempaT
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Posted - 2007.02.02 01:39:00 -
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I like the way you used an example from eve's market... not the real world dewd.
Ok so yet again another corp in RL who has nothing more than to upset their customers by adding extra fees.
Annoys me thats all how game developers who are already successful and makeing a nice tidy profit want more and more yet they cant make the game stable and wish to add something that may cause more problems. You see the videos that CCP have for advertising and it makes me laugh as they have some vids of fleet battle... now we all know that those battles are seriously messed up. As FPS are low as ever. Regardless of your PC and connection.
So they further adding more to the game which warrants more money... Which is fine but they have yet to solve the stability problem which we all know and cannot disregard. So they want more money by possibly makeing the game worse. This is yet to be seen but we all know it is going to be a possibility.
All im saying is they want us to pay for something which could be offset by their profits as they have yet to prove themselves as reliable. We were told i may be wrong here but we were told that this would be implimented in December 2006... Now it wasnt why because there was problems... Seems like always problems and delays. Now with all that profit that CCP make why dont they hire more developers and sort it out.
I might be ramblings but seriously am i the only person who thinks that in some way we are getting a bad deal here...
Regards
Tempat
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Grash Freedom
Gallente MAZA Solutions
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Posted - 2007.02.02 02:20:00 -
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Edited by: Grash Freedom on 02/02/2007 02:19:15
Originally by: TempaT I like the way you used an example from eve's market... not the real world dewd.
Ok so yet again another corp in RL who has nothing more than to upset their customers by adding extra fees.
Annoys me thats all how game developers who are already successful and makeing a nice tidy profit want more and more yet they cant make the game stable and wish to add something that may cause more problems. You see the videos that CCP have for advertising and it makes me laugh as they have some vids of fleet battle... now we all know that those battles are seriously messed up. As FPS are low as ever. Regardless of your PC and connection.
So they further adding more to the game which warrants more money... Which is fine but they have yet to solve the stability problem which we all know and cannot disregard. So they want more money by possibly makeing the game worse. This is yet to be seen but we all know it is going to be a possibility.
All im saying is they want us to pay for something which could be offset by their profits as they have yet to prove themselves as reliable. We were told i may be wrong here but we were told that this would be implimented in December 2006... Now it wasnt why because there was problems... Seems like always problems and delays. Now with all that profit that CCP make why dont they hire more developers and sort it out.
I might be ramblings but seriously am i the only person who thinks that in some way we are getting a bad deal here...
Regards
Tempat
I believe you use vent or Ts already, do you think that is free? somebody from you alliance/corp have paid for it.
Other than that, you have to understand that Eve voice its an option future, nobody will force you to use it! You want it? you pay it.
Another thing to notice is that a program like that needs internet bandwidth and servers, the fees you will pay do not go to CCP, but to Vivox that runs the servers, of course those ppl will have profit, they have familys to support, nobody works for free!
Vivox /= CCP , two different companys
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Sgt Blade
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.02 02:33:00 -
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Originally by: TempaT I like the way you used an example from eve's market... not the real world dewd.
Ok so yet again another corp in RL who has nothing more than to upset their customers by adding extra fees.
Annoys me thats all how game developers who are already successful and makeing a nice tidy profit want more and more yet they cant make the game stable and wish to add something that may cause more problems. You see the videos that CCP have for advertising and it makes me laugh as they have some vids of fleet battle... now we all know that those battles are seriously messed up. As FPS are low as ever. Regardless of your PC and connection.
So they further adding more to the game which warrants more money... Which is fine but they have yet to solve the stability problem which we all know and cannot disregard. So they want more money by possibly makeing the game worse. This is yet to be seen but we all know it is going to be a possibility.
All im saying is they want us to pay for something which could be offset by their profits as they have yet to prove themselves as reliable. We were told i may be wrong here but we were told that this would be implimented in December 2006... Now it wasnt why because there was problems... Seems like always problems and delays. Now with all that profit that CCP make why dont they hire more developers and sort it out.
I might be ramblings but seriously am i the only person who thinks that in some way we are getting a bad deal here...
Regards
Tempat
errm well tbh thoes eve vids ccp use as "advertisments" dont ahve engements of over 20+ i dont think and those kinds of fights dont give me too much problems, i mean ive had a a few good fights which go to about 40-50 and still fraps the whole battle at around 15 fps Hypnotic Pelvic Thrusting Level 5 |
PDoggy
Minmatar Valid Character Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.02 02:37:00 -
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Since the devs seem to love this thread, I'd like to ask something I'm sure has been asked before: Is it really a good time to be working on intergrated voicecoms for the entire game when there are still major, crippling issues with lag in fleet combat? - I have mailed [email protected], and while awaiting a response I will use this sig because it violates no rules If you support this movement, use this sig |
Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.02 03:14:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 02/02/2007 03:10:58
Originally by: Wrangler Well, there is the eternal Teamspeak and Ventrilo and whatever else vs EVE Voice by Vivox. To be completely honest I think this is all a bit silly, if you want EVE Voice, use it, if you don't want it or want something else, do that instead.
You've missed something, Wrangler. When "Eve Voice" is active, you can't also run TS or Vent. There is no way to make it properly release the sound card. The workround is to block Eve and Eve Voice's directsound access, but that's frankly a nasty hack and means patching your directsound DLL's.
It's why I dislike in-game voice services intensely.
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Jennifer Payne
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.02 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell There is no way to make Vivox's service* properly release the sound card.
That seriously sucks...from your post I take it that it's not an Eve specific problem, but one of the "features" of Vivox's "service", so I guess asking/begging Eve devs for fixing/changing that is out of the question...
I am using two soundcards (which is why I repeatedly - like others - asked for independent selection of voice input/output decice and game sound output device). The card I am using for voice (TS/Vent) is also used for playing music and powering another set of headphones (in addition to the headset I am using for voice). So I guess using Eve voice, would make it impossible to listen to music at the same time etc.
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Kirjava
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.02.02 14:31:00 -
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Question, given that Eves playerbase has rapidly grown and thus proffits have also (including new servers) why has CCP not used some of said proffits to pay for the services on the playerbases behalf, or not simply bought the equipment to host it themselves. Charging peeps for the service will make many people not want it, even though its only $10. What is the equivalent of $10 a head for CCPs proffits and who made that the payment per head, CCP finance or Vivox?
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Prydeless
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.02 19:18:00 -
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'oh noes 10 dollars for the year, thats aweful'
Get real - go work for a few hours and pay the 10 dollars bunch of whiners...
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Cleric JohnPreston
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Posted - 2007.02.02 19:41:00 -
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So whats the vioxx like so far from anyone whos played with it on the test server. Any good so far.. features ?
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TempaT
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Posted - 2007.02.03 15:56:00 -
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ok so its gunna cost how much extra a year? 10 dollars right?
So saying its 10 dollars per head per year. So 10 dollars a head would get you a reliable company who has much experience in VOIP ie Vent/TS.
If an alliance put there money together im sure they cud get a better source than Vivox :/
From trialing it on the test server i was not imprest with the sound quality and thats me and a freind benching it. As we normally talk on Vent. So its not as good as vent and vent is better value for money.
Tell me im wrong. So what sort of deal has CCP cut with Vivox :/
1) Why are they useing this company ? 2) Why dont they use someone who has much experience for the gameing comunity?
Temp
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Loki Farseer
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Posted - 2007.02.04 00:29:00 -
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Lmao,
Umm Unless you are commercially using TS Server... it's FREE up to 1000 slots on a single server.
I honestly don't know why anyone would want to PAY for something that you can get for free. I'm pretty sure most everyone has an old computer lying around.. You download, install and congiure in less then 5 min. Works everytime perfectly... (Even on a P2 350 heh). If you dun have the computer to run your own server then DL just the client and use one of the public TS servers. Also God knows I don't want to stress the Eve servers with voice chat since they barely can shift around 0010101011's for the game to actually function now....
EVE's CEO + BOARD (not going to say Dev's cause the **** rolls downhill and they have to do what the corporate "leaders" say so honestly not the Devs fault at all... why not introduce some fixes that need to be done instead of fluffing the bottom line with an addition thats not needed? Rant Off.
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Irrilian
Quetzalcoatl Inc
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Posted - 2007.02.04 00:39:00 -
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The potential advantage of Vivox isnt its relative merits with Teamspeak or Ventrillo, its the integration with Eve.
e.g. consider the security aspect: someone cant pose as a fleet member and connect to relay intel to some third party as to gain access to a secure voice channel you have to be logged in to a character with the rights to such access.
Of course the biggest downside to Vivox is also its integration with Eve. The majorty of people unfortunately play the game with the sound off, so unless CCP have plans to overhaul the sound engine Im not sure how successful they're going to be at selling Vivox. Another problem is when the inevitable occurs and a node crashes. With teamspeak/ventrillo such a situation is recoerable, everyone can still be organized over the external voice comms; with Vivox it'll be chaos. - - - PIs and Forensic Accountants: adding risk vs reward for scams and thievery |
Loki Farseer
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Posted - 2007.02.04 00:51:00 -
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If you are running the TS server you can give access to whomever you want and or Password protect the server so you don't need to worry about nosy spies listening in.
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Saint Battalion
Decepticons of War
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Posted - 2007.02.04 01:13:00 -
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So say I have 3 accounts, is it $10 per account or $10 for all 3?
Will I be able to keep EvEs sound on and just have voice through my headset?
Will Vivox still work if the server goes down?
How will the voice comms work in gangs with gang chat and squad chat?
Sorry I like the idea but these things have been bugging me.
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TempaT
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Posted - 2007.02.04 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Battalion So say I have 3 accounts, is it $10 per account or $10 for all 3?
Will I be able to keep EvEs sound on and just have voice through my headset?
Will Vivox still work if the server goes down?
How will the voice coms work in gangs with gang chat and squad chat?
Sorry I like the idea but these things have been bugging me.
1) It will be 10 dollars a year per account on average i believe 2) No you will have to enable Eve sounds to be able to hear the voice comms 3) You can only be in one chat with voice. Go on the TEST SERVER TO FIND OUT YOURSELF! 4) If eve crashes you will loose the Voice Com's. 5) Better sound Quality with 2 x cups and a piece of string. (Not tested)
Well done CCP for integrating a system that doesn't work well. I know Cancel all contracts with Vivox and get an affiliate program with Vent And TS Hosters and get a cheaper deal for the community.
As mentioned above CCP is not profiting from this at all... So then they should look out for our best interests and not take a cheap easy option.
Many people dont want this and their are more bad points than good points...
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Flont
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Posted - 2007.02.04 16:27:00 -
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expectations are low for this, since they couldn't get contracts right....
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CaptainSeafort
Gallente Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2007.02.04 17:29:00 -
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dear god flont! youve deleted eve from your HD supposedly, so remove the website from your favourites!
spend your hard earned cadh on a runescape premium membership, and go enjoy that instead. its system is so much better than eve
"Planets and moons no longer hitch rides on player ships. Their towel privileges have been revoked." HHGG Lives on in EVE! |
Thor Xian
Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.04 17:42:00 -
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TS security sucks, EVE Voice is a viable option for corps/alliances that give a **** about things like that.
It's another measure I can take to make sure you never know what I'm up to. _________________________ ~Thor Xian, Material Defender
"For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One."
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TempaT
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Posted - 2007.02.04 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Thor Xian TS security sucks, EVE Voice is a viable option for corps/alliances that give a **** about things like that.
It's another measure I can take to make sure you never know what I'm up to.
lol
Ok have you ever used TS ? As you do know that only registered members can get access to certain channels. If you give the PW out it dont mean you can access all the channels on that server. And in Player made channels other than Alliance where everything shud be safe, Their will always be spies and info leaks so what ever you just said is Void as it dont mean Crp.
TempaT
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Hllaxiu
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.02.04 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Thor Xian TS security sucks, EVE Voice is a viable option for corps/alliances that give a **** about things like that.
It's another measure I can take to make sure you never know what I'm up to.
There are approximately 1000 people in my alliance. If we want to use CCP's service, members of Morsus Mihi have to give CCP $10,000 a year. You can secure TS with that kind of money. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
Thor Xian
Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.04 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: TempaT
Originally by: Thor Xian TS security sucks, EVE Voice is a viable option for corps/alliances that give a **** about things like that.
It's another measure I can take to make sure you never know what I'm up to.
lol
Ok have you ever used TS ? As you do know that only registered members can get access to certain channels. If you give the PW out it dont mean you can access all the channels on that server. And in Player made channels other than Alliance where everything shud be safe, Their will always be spies and info leaks so what ever you just said is Void as it dont mean Crp.
TempaT
I've used TS, and its security is not impressive. Maybe I just have higher standards in that regard. _________________________ ~Thor Xian, Material Defender
"For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One."
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.04 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu
Originally by: Thor Xian TS security sucks, EVE Voice is a viable option for corps/alliances that give a **** about things like that.
It's another measure I can take to make sure you never know what I'm up to.
There are approximately 1000 people in my alliance. If we want to use CCP's service, members of Morsus Mihi have to give CCP $10,000 a year. You can secure TS with that kind of money.
It really depends on the alliance I suppose, mine is a bit more...like a nation of people than a focused group that does everything as one large corporation. It's likely that government will be the only ones required to have it. My corp itself will have that requirement for joining among others. _________________________ ~Thor Xian, Material Defender
"For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One."
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.02.04 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: TempaT CCP are no more than money grabbing **********
I mean think about it 30k ppl x 14 dollars = an anual income of 5 milion dollars. I mean how big is the out going's..... I doubt its anywhere close to that and if CCP want to charge for this then my statement above stands.
F off kid, there outgoings are huge. Just last year they got 70 some new 64bit servers + all the database upgrades nad staff additions.
****, get a life, get a job. Poor punk. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
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Vansard
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Posted - 2007.02.04 19:54:00 -
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Is CCP planning any trial unpaid period? I would gladly try it, before using...
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Hakera
Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.04 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Vansard Is CCP planning any trial unpaid period? I would gladly try it, before using...
i imagine a week or two of stress testing for possible TQ loads would be needed as well once it goes like and will need a trial period aye.
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TempaT
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Posted - 2007.02.04 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Originally by: TempaT CCP are no more than money grabbing **********
I mean think about it 30k ppl x 14 dollars = an anual income of 5 milion dollars. I mean how big is the out going's..... I doubt its anywhere close to that and if CCP want to charge for this then my statement above stands.
F off kid, there outgoings are huge. Just last year they got 70 some new 64bit servers + all the database upgrades nad staff additions.
****, get a life, get a job. Poor punk.
LMFAO YEAH CUZ THE OUTGOINGS WERE HUGE LAST YEAR!!!
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