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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
In Articulo Mortis
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Posted - 2007.01.29 12:25:00 -
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So me and my buds decided to go pirate hunting last night for the first time. Our little group consisted of me in a Drake, a Vexor, a Caracal and an Heretic. Things start out kinda boring, since no one seemed interested to play, but then we get a tail and all of a sudden, a Rook piloted by a -7 something engages my bud in the Caracal. We all scramble to him but without warning, local jumps by 5-6 other pirates and we decide not to stick around. The Vexor and Heretic dock, and the Caracal stays in a SS near the gate to scan down the opposition...
-Armageddon
-2 x Vagabonds
-2 x Deimos
-Rook
-Raven
Not being suicidal fools, we decided not to take'em on and decided to call off the hunt.
That was not fun at all. Though we took no losses (except a few drones the Vexor had to leave behind), we were outnumbered and heavily outgunned. When I had previously visited the area alone, the local yarrers all seemed to move around alone or in groups of two, and the fanciest ship I had seen was a Myrm.
The question I bring forth is this: now what? Get bigger ships? More guys? I didn't want to blob, but faced with this kind of firepower, I don't get how we could successfully engage without having the advantage in numbers.
BTW, I'm not criticising the pirates for not wanting to play ball and give us a chance. I'm just asking for advice.
 Originally by: Glenntwo
You should be an anti pirate because you enjoy giving a player who is looking for an unfair fight an extremely unfair fight
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Captain BlackPearl
Minmatar
Chrystos
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Posted - 2007.01.29 12:33:00 -
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Quote:
The question I bring forth is this: now what? Get bigger ships? More guys? I didn't want to blob, but faced with this kind of firepower, I don't get how we could successfully engage without having the advantage in numbers.
Surrender your valuables, hand over your wenches and pray they kill you fast. Or you could join their crew and find some real fun.
Captain BlackPearl 
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
In Articulo Mortis
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Posted - 2007.01.29 12:38:00 -
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Edited by: Deschenus Maximus on 29/01/2007 12:34:14
Originally by: Captain BlackPearl
Surrender your valuables, hand over your wenches and pray they kill you fast.
They'd have to catch us first 
Originally by: Captain BlackPearl
Or you could join their crew and find some real fun.
I'd really rather not, thank you.
Any more serious suggestions?
Originally by: Glenntwo
You should be an anti pirate because you enjoy giving a player who is looking for an unfair fight an extremely unfair fight
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Lord Evangelian
LEAP Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.29 12:44:00 -
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good job for fleaing, it was suicidal to stick about. Blobing is not fun at all, stick with it, you will find some good trargets everyso often, lol perhaps one day we may cross paths...
are you Anti-pirate or a fully fledged pirate?
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Porter Hadlend
Gallente
Righteous-Indignation
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.29 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
I'd really rather not, thank you.
Any more serious suggestions?
You say that now...
I'm willing to bet most Anti-pirates end up turning on it later. I know I did.
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
In Articulo Mortis
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Posted - 2007.01.29 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Evangelian
good job for fleaing, it was suicidal to stick about.
That was our thought as well.
Originally by: Lord Evangelian
Blobing is not fun at all, stick with it, you will find some good trargets everyso often,
Hopefully 
Originally by: Lord Evangelian
lol perhaps one day we may cross paths...
Maybe 
Originally by: Lord Evangelian
are you Anti-pirate or a fully fledged pirate?
To be perfectly honest, the best way to describe myself would be "Carebear with teeth" at the moment. After 6 months of mission-running, I just can't bear it anymore. PvP is way more fun/challenging, but I really don't feel like picking on miners/haulers/ratters, hence the anti-pie wannabe route.
Originally by: Porter Hadlend
You say that now...
I'm willing to bet most Anti-pirates end up turning on it later. I know I did.
To be perfectly honest, I'd be more likely to join a 0.0 alliance than go Yarr.
Originally by: Glenntwo
You should be an anti pirate because you enjoy giving a player who is looking for an unfair fight an extremely unfair fight
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PCaBoo
Newbies On Xstacy
The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.01.29 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
To be perfectly honest, I'd be more likely to join a 0.0 alliance than go Yarr.
As far as i'm concerned, it's the same thing, with less targets. Especially those alliances who operate with the NBSI policy. Sure you're more likely to run into more prepared resistance, but in alliance ops, you're just going to end up ganking innocent folks just trying to get through your space (most of the time). Which is why I always say anti-pirates are the most hypocritical in the game.
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
In Articulo Mortis
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Posted - 2007.01.29 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: PCaBoo
As far as i'm concerned, it's the same thing, with less targets. Especially those alliances who operate with the NBSI policy. Sure you're more likely to run into more prepared resistance, but in alliance ops, you're just going to end up ganking innocent folks just trying to get through your space (most of the time). Which is why I always say anti-pirates are the most hypocritical in the game.
There's just no place for the good guys, is there?
Originally by: Glenntwo
You should be an anti pirate because you enjoy giving a player who is looking for an unfair fight an extremely unfair fight
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DarkElf
Caldari
DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts
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Posted - 2007.01.29 15:04:00 -
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mmmm i'm a little confused.
Firstly you semm to be suggesting that because they have a few number and big ships then that means you have to blob them. if it's an even fight your looking for then why would you think you'd have to have more numbers than them? why not have the same number as them?
Also this is 1 situation and 1 group of ppl. i still seem to find groups of 2 or 3 and solo pirates but that's in low sec, for obvious reasons in 0.0 it is more rare.
Just find it strange that you seem to be judging the general state of pvp on 1 event.
DE
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
In Articulo Mortis
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Posted - 2007.01.29 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: DarkElf
mmmm i'm a little confused.
Firstly you semm to be suggesting that because they have a few number and big ships then that means you have to blob them. if it's an even fight your looking for then why would you think you'd have to have more numbers than them? why not have the same number as them?
I didn't say I was looking for an even fight. I don't blame the pies for trying to outnumber/outgun us, but I'd rather be the one doing the outnumbering/outgunning. More importantly, we can't field an all T2/BS gang, so to compensate for quality, I was suggesting quantity.
Originally by: DarkElf
Also this is 1 situation and 1 group of ppl. i still seem to find groups of 2 or 3 and solo pirates but that's in low sec, for obvious reasons in 0.0 it is more rare.
This is was in low sec.
Originally by: DarkElf
Just find it strange that you seem to be judging the general state of pvp on 1 event.
I wasn't commenting on the general state of PvP, just this particular case. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
Originally by: Glenntwo
You should be an anti pirate because you enjoy giving a player who is looking for an unfair fight an extremely unfair fight
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Houzukimaru
World Order
The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.01.29 18:10:00 -
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why were you flying a heretic in low sec?
oh and the easiest way to even the odds when going up against big numbers or T2 ships. EW and lots of it knock ships out of the fight quickly while your damage dealers take out ships |
Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2007.01.29 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Houzukimaru
why were you flying a heretic in low sec?
To pop drones and frigs of course without having to worry about ammo (for a while) 
Half Assed Rhymage |
Houzukimaru
World Order
The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.01.29 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Houzukimaru
why were you flying a heretic in low sec?
To pop drones and frigs of course without having to worry about ammo (for a while)
makes sense, but seems like an expensive ship to do it in (heretic is the interdictor right? or is it the T1? )
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Porter Hadlend
Gallente
Righteous-Indignation
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.29 18:26:00 -
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It is the interdictor.. coercer is the destroyer.
TBH, I know I'm in an alliance, but piracy is much much more fun :P
Be Chaotic Neutral |
Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
In Articulo Mortis
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Posted - 2007.01.29 18:27:00 -
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Heretic is TII. The pilot had just gotten her and wanted to test it out. As for E-war, we did have some, but not sufficiently to even the odds.
Originally by: Glenntwo
You should be an anti pirate because you enjoy giving a player who is looking for an unfair fight an extremely unfair fight
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Kehmor
Caldari
PAK
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Posted - 2007.01.29 18:28:00 -
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Your group of 4 was looking for solo targets and now you are complaining about getting blobbed...
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2007.01.29 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kehmor
Your group of 4 was looking for solo targets and now you are complaining about getting blobbed...
4 is not a blob (unless it is 4 carriers or 4 drone ships )
Half Assed Rhymage |
Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
In Articulo Mortis
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Posted - 2007.01.29 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kehmor
Your group of 4 was looking for solo targets and now you are complaining about getting blobbed...
We weren't looking just for solo targets. Had the odds been somewhat equal, we would have stayed and fought, but as things were, we would have gotten "anally violated" to put it mildly.
Quite frankly, I don't see 4 as that big a group. And it's not like we were a group of 4 BSes either.
Finally, I'm not complaining that we got blobbed; it was logical for our adversaries to use their numbers, but it does raise the question of how to proceed in engaging them without using a blob ourselves.
Originally by: Glenntwo
You should be an anti pirate because you enjoy giving a player who is looking for an unfair fight an extremely unfair fight
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Kehmor
Caldari
PAK
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Posted - 2007.01.29 18:47:00 -
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blob is relative. perhaps "outnumbered" would have been a more appropriete term. But ya stop being petty
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
In Articulo Mortis
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Posted - 2007.01.29 18:52:00 -
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How am I being petty?
Originally by: Glenntwo
You should be an anti pirate because you enjoy giving a player who is looking for an unfair fight an extremely unfair fight
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Dr Slice
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.29 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
How am I being petty?
You will be outnumbered in many engagements. Just have to learn that this is how it is.
No amount of numbers in your gang will create the "I WIN" situation you're looking for.
There is always a bigger fish...(or school of fish)
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2007.01.29 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Slice
Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
How am I being petty?
You will be outnumbered in many engagements. Just have to learn that this is how it is.
No amount of numbers in your gang will create the "I WIN" situation you're looking for.
There is always a bigger fish...(or school of fish)
100 Motherships?
(100 titans is just excessive )
Half Assed Rhymage |
Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
In Articulo Mortis
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Posted - 2007.01.29 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Slice
You will be outnumbered in many engagements. Just have to learn that this is how it is.
I know that; I'm not stupid. This was a no-win situation though. There's a difference between fighting outnumbered while still having a chance to come out on top, and just setting yourself up for an asskicking.
Originally by: Dr Slice
No amount of numbers in your gang will create the "I WIN" situation you're looking for.
Then suggest something else. I'm all ears (I'll just disregard the obvious flame about me wanting an "I-WIN" button).
Originally by: Dr Slice
There is always a bigger fish...(or school of fish)
No doubt.
Originally by: Glenntwo
You should be an anti pirate because you enjoy giving a player who is looking for an unfair fight an extremely unfair fight
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Destr0math
Tritanium Workers Union
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Posted - 2007.01.29 19:29:00 -
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As an accomplished pirate  , i'm going to have to say that the most effective antipiracy efforts depend on one of 2 things.
1. Bait. Get some guy in an exequeror or vexor...something with a pretty reasonable tank but that could also feasibly be ratting in lowsec. Set him up at a belt with the biggest tank you can - plates and in the mids fit some tracking disruptors/ECM's. Set up in the system next door on the gate. In the meantime...
2. Gatecamp. Look for those big red flashy guys to come through- since you can attack them without the guns aggressing you, just get a couple people in interceptors/Fast locking BB's and a couple in bs's. Wait at the gate, and if on the other side your buddy is under attack, go to his aid as fast as you can...with good enough ECM you should be able to save him, and this way you'll catch pirates IN THE ACT, so you know they're truly ebil pirates.
Anyway, good luck, and i'll see you around lowsec :)
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Destr0math
Tritanium Workers Union
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Posted - 2007.01.29 19:29:00 -
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As an accomplished pirate , i'm going to have to say that the most effective antipiracy efforts depend on one of 2 things.
1. Bait. Get some guy in an exequeror or vexor...something with a pretty reasonable tank but that could also feasibly be ratting in lowsec. Set him up at a belt with the biggest tank you can - plates and in the mids fit some tracking disruptors/ECM's. Set up in the system next door on the gate. In the meantime...
2. Gatecamp. Look for those big red flashy guys to come through- since you can attack them without the guns aggressing you, just get a couple people in interceptors/Fast locking BB's and a couple in bs's. Wait at the gate, and if on the other side your buddy is under attack, go to his aid as fast as you can...with good enough ECM you should be able to save him, and this way you'll catch pirates IN THE ACT, so you know they're truly ebil pirates.
Anyway, good luck, and i'll see you around lowsec :)
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
In Articulo Mortis
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Posted - 2007.01.29 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Destr0math
As an accomplished pirate , i'm going to have to say that the most effective antipiracy efforts depend on one of 2 things.
1. Bait. Get some guy in an exequeror or vexor...something with a pretty reasonable tank but that could also feasibly be ratting in lowsec. Set him up at a belt with the biggest tank you can - plates and in the mids fit some tracking disruptors/ECM's. Set up in the system next door on the gate. In the meantime...
That was my intial plan. We tested with a plated Maller but I couldn't tank long enough for my corpies to jump through and reach me before going pop. This was why I was in a Drake, but at the same time, I feared that I wouldn't attract the kind of target we could take on. Things ended not as I had planned however
Originally by: Destr0math
2. Gatecamp. Look for those big red flashy guys to come through- since you can attack them without the guns aggressing you, just get a couple people in interceptors/Fast locking BB's and a couple in bs's. Wait at the gate, and if on the other side your buddy is under attack, go to his aid as fast as you can...with good enough ECM you should be able to save him, and this way you'll catch pirates IN THE ACT, so you know they're truly ebil pirates.
I was all for that, but my corpies aren't down for it. So I'm really stomped as to what to do.
Originally by: Destr0math
Anyway, good luck, and i'll see you around lowsec :)
Thanks! Happy pirati... err...
Originally by: Glenntwo
You should be an anti pirate because you enjoy giving a player who is looking for an unfair fight an extremely unfair fight
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Destr0math
Tritanium Workers Union
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Posted - 2007.01.29 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
That was my intial plan. We tested with a plated Maller but I couldn't tank long enough for my corpies to jump through and reach me before going pop. This was why I was in a Drake, but at the same time, I feared that I wouldn't attract the kind of target we could take on. Things ended not as I had planned however
I was all for that, but my corpies aren't down for it. So I'm really stomped as to what to do.
Thanks! Happy pirati... err...
Problem is, Pirates are, for the most part, quite intelligent chaps. They know their own tactics, and watch scanner very closely. There are a couple options left if you won't do those. One is essentially the moving bait- look for gatecamps with a juicy hauler (6-slot tank on badger ftw, really), then when the camp responds, jump through with tacklers and hold them at the gate. Problem is, there are a lot fewer gatecamps these days, but i DO see some.
You really can do an active baiting procedure like that anywhere- and that will almost definitely be *THE* most effective way to do anti-pirate activity in smaller gangs.
Another idea just popped into my mind. If you're okay with camping to a certain degree, get some off-grid safespots(or cloaking recons, depending on your skill/money levels) and sit at them- it minimizes the time that you will spend in-transit, especially if you simply are aligned to the correct belt, moving towards it. If you're all in the same corp then this strategy may not work quite as well, because most pirates are at least SOMEWHAT intelligent, but most will still take the risk. If i were you i would not use a maller, as it is known as **THE** bait ship. I recommend a ferox or prophecy, really, but any ship with a few large plates/extenders on it should be fine.(drake is too intimidating- no one ph33rs feroxes anymore :) )
Man. This whole thing is making me itch to go a'baiting. I think I'd use a proph, and fit it with ultraplating and a few EANMs. Keep a few bs or tier2 bc in the wings, and make sure the proph has a scramb/web/nos fit.
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
In Articulo Mortis
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Posted - 2007.01.29 21:03:00 -
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Edited by: Deschenus Maximus on 29/01/2007 20:59:48
Originally by: Destr0math
Problem is, Pirates are, for the most part, quite intelligent chaps. They know their own tactics, and watch scanner very closely.
Aye, I noticed. As I see it, pirates are Eve's "big game"
Originally by: Destr0math
There are a couple options left if you won't do those. One is essentially the moving bait- look for gatecamps with a juicy hauler (6-slot tank on badger ftw, really), then when the camp responds, jump through with tacklers and hold them at the gate. Problem is, there are a lot fewer gatecamps these days, but i DO see some.
You really can do an active baiting procedure like that anywhere- and that will almost definitely be *THE* most effective way to do anti-pirate activity in smaller gangs.
Haven't seen camps where we were, but that's something I'll keep in mind.
Originally by: Destr0math
Another idea just popped into my mind. If you're okay with camping to a certain degree, get some off-grid safespots(or cloaking recons, depending on your skill/money levels) and sit at them- it minimizes the time that you will spend in-transit, especially if you simply are aligned to the correct belt, moving towards it. If you're all in the same corp then this strategy may not work quite as well, because most pirates are at least SOMEWHAT intelligent, but most will still take the risk. If i were you i would not use a maller, as it is known as **THE** bait ship. I recommend a ferox or prophecy, really, but any ship with a few large plates/extenders on it should be fine.(drake is too intimidating- no one ph33rs feroxes anymore :) )
Aye, local is a problem in this case, but at least it works both ways. Good tips about the bait; thx.
Originally by: Destr0math
Man. This whole thing is making me itch to go a'baiting. I think I'd use a proph, and fit it with ultraplating and a few EANMs. Keep a few bs or tier2 bc in the wings, and make sure the proph has a scramb/web/nos fit.
Let me know how it goes 
Originally by: Glenntwo
You should be an anti pirate because you enjoy giving a player who is looking for an unfair fight an extremely unfair fight
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
In Articulo Mortis
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Posted - 2007.01.30 03:38:00 -
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UPDATE: Well, funnily enough, my corp decided to turn pirate, so I'm bailing
Currently looking for a new home, one with 100% more anti-pieness (see my post in the recruitment forum for more info).
Originally by: Glenntwo
You should be an anti pirate because you enjoy giving a player who is looking for an unfair fight an extremely unfair fight
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Sebmagic
Caldari
In Articulo Mortis
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Posted - 2007.01.30 03:43:00 -
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Not pirate, low sec runners. We aim for pirate but don't mind the random target.
Have a good anti-pirate experience Deschenus Maximus.
Seb
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