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T'senei
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.02.02 09:58:10 -
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Hello!
It has been more than 2 years since I last flew a ship in EVE and now I am back.At that time I have been doing some missions but never combat sites.As I was about to sell this avatar ,all my ships and stuff went to market and all ISK to my corp.All I have now is Astero fitted for exploration and some ISK for about two more fits like that.
I decided to go for exploration becouse there is so mch to explore and for now this will be in higs sec.Missions are too boring for me.
So can anyone please tell me can you plex with doing combat sites in Astero and which DED site is limit for that ship assuming that I got good skills for this little djinn:),DED 3/10 or 4/10?
Would it be better to go for Stratios and can Stration run DED 5/10?
I must notice that my cargo holds both data and relic analyzers which I refitt in space ,so thats why Astero and Stratios would be my no1 choice.
I really would apriciate any answer given
Fly safe!
T.
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Centis Adjani
Adjani Corporation
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Posted - 2016.02.02 11:55:25 -
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The following ship sizes are able to access the Acceleration Gate to the DED rated deadspace:
Quote:DED 1/10 Frigate
DED 2/10 Destroyer
DED 3/10 Cruiser
DED 4/10 Battlecruiser
DED 5/10 Battleship
Regarding this list I would say to do a DED 3/10 or higher combat site with a Astero frigate will be hard or just not to perform. To go for a Stratios will be the better choice, yes.
In following discussion it is mentioned that a DED 5/10 site is doable in a Stratios:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2uxx05/help_starting_doing_ded_complex_combat_sites/ |
T'senei
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.02.02 13:06:24 -
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Thanks Centis,that discussion helped a lot! |
Funky Koval
Bad Artists
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Posted - 2016.02.02 13:34:34 -
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A properly fitted (and skilled for) Stratios can do all 5/10s comfortably and also 6/10s (blood and sansha, never tried guristas cause I don't explore in gurista space)
Look up JonnyPew's shield buffer fit and youtube vids for a good example (but you can go active shield tank as well).
The dps is a bit low though for 6/10s. Blood 6/10 is ok cause you can (sort of) "blitz" the final room but sansha 6/10 takes well over an hour to complete.
Also you need ~650+ EM dps to break the tank on the final boss and it's best to be on the move to minimize incoming damage, praetors are therefore preferable to curators for that final encounter.
Bear in mind this is gonna be low-sec, so the ususal precautions apply, especially as you'll need to fit a fair amount of bling on your ship to be effective.
You might get an occasional 5/10 hi sec anomaly escalation, but they are very rare.
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Dante Burke
Practical Applications
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Posted - 2016.02.02 13:59:01 -
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To give a little love to the Astero, I have successfully run some 4/10's (Blood/Sansha). I haven't yet run across other 4/10's while flying the Astero, though I would imagine it would be progressively harder.
The main issue with the Astero in a 4/10 is the DPS output, or lack thereof. As many of the ships present will be cruisers/elite ships/BC's, it takes more than a minute for the drones to chew through. It's a fun challenge on Blood 4/10's, as there's Neuts/NOS and stasis towers to dodge, all while keeping drones on the NPC boss, and keeping within the rather short lock range of the Astero. Doesn't leave too much room for error, but it is fun to manually fly to keep range and the like.
If you're not in a terrible hurry, and have zen-like patience, give the Astero a go. Otherwise, if you actually have plans for your day, and your choice is between an Astero and Stratios, then you may wish to give the Stratios a go.
I solo warped into Asakai, and all I got was this stupid t-shirt. - Dante Burke
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T'senei
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.02.02 14:11:17 -
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I have a lot of patience,Dante and I will surely give a little djinn a lot of time mostly becouse I am bad at scanning and must practice both that and spawn/combat mechanics of sites.No need to hurry.
Thank you for posting here,good job on flying 4/10 in Astero,I thought i would never get into 4/10 in astero but now ill give it a go |
T'senei
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.02.02 14:13:25 -
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"Look up JonnyPew's shield buffer fit and youtube vids for a good example (but you can go active shield tank as well)."
I just recantly saw those videos and theay are trully great,but I need to find some with armor tank becouse thic toon is all in Armor and I need to skill a lot of other things before I do shields.
Tnx for info! |
Dante Burke
Practical Applications
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Posted - 2016.02.02 14:23:58 -
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I used to run a Stratios with an active armor fit. It worked rather well, though the sites took longer to do (compared to the shield buffer fit), due to the lower DPS, and the afterburner instead of the MWD (to ensure that I had perma-rep, which you'll need, since it doesn't have the speed with the AB to dictate range). It's still very viable with an active armor fit.
I solo warped into Asakai, and all I got was this stupid t-shirt. - Dante Burke
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T'senei
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.02.02 14:32:58 -
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In that post that Centis linked me is one thread that said:
"I found a cap-stable active tank stratios with one medium and one small rep to be very good for running highsec sites. Basically, use most of mids (except the one for prop module) and all rig slots to make it cap stable with prop off. Use lows for tank and drone dps. With that fit, you don't even have to bother moving in highsec sites to mitigate the damage. It could probably do 5/10 in lowsec but I wouldn't risk it for more difficult sites unless I had a lot of isk to replace it."
Maybe Ill give such a fit a try later on..... |
Altair Taurus
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Posted - 2016.02.02 14:57:44 -
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Purchase some injectors and fly Tengu. |
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Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
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Posted - 2016.02.02 15:40:13 -
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OP
Join Johnny P's public chat Club Deadspace where dudes like Dante and I can chatter with you in game (hopefully, productive and helpful chatter).
My advice would be to have a primary smaller ship (astero is excellent for this) with your bigger ship nearby for 4/10s, Vigils, Watches what have you. Personally, I have more success when exploring if I focus on either Combat sites or Havking, not both. When you roll out for Combat, you'll be crushing anoms along the way (you can get excellent escalations this way) so, it's probably not all that productive to switch gears and do HS relic/data (there are exceptions).
At present, I dig the baby tengu (the jackdaw), but have my Tengu parked a few Js away for the bigger stuff.
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Recruiting intrepid explorers and BlOps/Cov Ops combat enthusiasts
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Funky Koval
Bad Artists
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Posted - 2016.02.02 15:41:29 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:Purchase some injectors and fly Tengu.
You CANNOT be be serious 
You just wanted to kill this thread, didn't you ;).
Yes a Tengu is good for everything. But I doubt the OP has anywhere near the shield / missile skills needed for it, and buying the injectors for all of these likely to be mighty expensive.
FWIW... I can fly Loki and Proteus, and am skillng for the Legion atm. I don't fly Tengu and don't intend to, and I am doing quite fine without one (have an alt who does though  , and yes it's just... too easy).
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Altair Taurus
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Posted - 2016.02.02 16:20:31 -
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I am not sure OP does not have core & support skills required to fly Tengu because he also considers Stratios and he is two years old. Thus I think Tengu is the best choice for him but T3 cruisers really require quite long training so using injectors would be a good remedy here. Of course Tengu cannot enter high-sec DED sites but let's be frank: if someone looks for serious combat exploration he finds it in low and null-sec and Tengu is the best ship there.
I personally prefer high-sec exploration so I sold my Tengu but honesty to run DED 3-4/10 cheap T1 cruisers are enough, IMO. |
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
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Posted - 2016.02.02 16:28:18 -
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You'll be able to run up to 3/10's comfortably in an Astero. I've done Serpentis 3/10 with an Algos a few times
@lunettelulu7
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Altair Taurus
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Posted - 2016.02.02 16:31:22 -
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Of course he will because DED 3/10 sites mainly consist of hordes of NPC frigates. The question is what ship/weapon can kill them the fastest way possible. |
Funky Koval
Bad Artists
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Posted - 2016.02.02 16:35:36 -
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Ok, I take back my "not serious" comment ;)
Altair Taurus wrote:
I personally prefer high-sec exploration so I sold my Tengu but honesty to run DED 3-4/10 cheap T1 cruisers are enough, IMO.
Yes, technically you are right. But when you are facing a lot of competition, it suddenly becomes important how effective your ship/fit is.
Back in the days when I was focusing on Gurista Scout Outposts I used to fly a sentry Proteus fiitted with faction omnis and Gistum A-type MWD just too be able to beat any competition in the plex to the kill and the can. It worked very well, and it happened quite often that someone invaded the site you were running (and obviously, vice versa too).
Now that T3s are no longer allowed, Stratios or Ishtar are the best ships for this. In a T1 or most T2 cruisers you'll be often left behind.
Though I am not quite sure how much competition in high-sec does one encounter these days.
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Funky Koval
Bad Artists
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Posted - 2016.02.02 16:47:43 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:Of course he will because DED 3/10 sites mainly consist of hordes of NPC frigates. The question is what ship/weapon can kill them the fastest way possible.
For me, for most 3/10 (well the sansha one is really sweet and short compared to the others) it's gonna be either a drone ship, or a missile boat with auto-targetting missiles.
Not the most effectoive setup, maybe, but having to manually target lock 100+ frigs in the space of 10min is not something that I care to do anymore ;/ |
Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.02.02 18:13:25 -
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The Tengu cannot enter 3/10 and 4/10 DED sites. |
T'senei
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.02.02 20:48:00 -
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Wow a lot happened here while I was gone .
I contacted some of you guys and galls in game and tried to join that Johnny P's chat but I guess we are different time zone:(...I found DED 4 in hs and needed little help.Tried to run 4/10 in Astero like Dante Burke but obviusly I am not that good pilot:)
Funky Koval is right about Tengu;I dont have missile skills,I cant fly Caldari ships and I dont want to.Tengu is not answer to everything, altho I know what you ment by that Altair.I can fly Loki very well but its too expensive for me atm.
Solomar advice is great becouse as we speak I have DED 4 in HS just waiting for someone to pick it up...
Thank you all for sharing your advices and expirience ! |
T'senei
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.02.02 21:45:07 -
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I just have to try on that 4/10 and I finished it in Astero but its hard,I had to warp out twice and I lose like 10 drones.Lots and lots of manual piloting....
Nothing dropped but 7 and 8 overseer thing but never mind....me happy
EDIT:grammar,not my native language,sorry |
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Altair Taurus
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Posted - 2016.02.02 23:28:56 -
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OK! Astero with scout drones can run DED 3/10 sites but I am not sure about all DED 4/10 sites. For instance Serpentis DED 4/10 site consists of Phi-Outpost Protector battleship as its final boss. This battleship's tank is hard to break. Lately I broke it flying Onyx dealing ~600 DPS but it took me a moment. On the other hand Guristas DED 4/10 site is easier. I ran it in Rook and you can meet cruisers (including overseers) as largest rat ships - all quite easy to destroy but jamming frigates can be a bit annoying at times.
Maybe someone else can tell something informative about Sansha and Bloods DED 4/10 sites. |
Funky Koval
Bad Artists
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Posted - 2016.02.03 00:01:21 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:On the other hand Guristas DED 4/10 site is easier. I ran it in Rook and there are cruisers (including overseer) as largest rats - quite easy to destroy.
You probably meant Angel 4/10, Guristas Scout Outpost does not have an overseer cruiser, but a structure ("telescope" type, IIRC).
Sansha 4/10 is basically identical to the Angel one, while the Blood one has a tons of stasis towers and neuting cruisers, so it's certainly the most difficult one to solo for an Astero.
I am also not sure if Astero can break the Phi Outpost Protector's tank, but if it can, I'd say Mul-Zatah Monastery (blood 4/10) is definitely the harder of the two.
The other three shouldn't pose any significant issues, I have ran them in assault frigs in the past, so an Astero should manage as well.
The thing is, all the 4/10s have one thing in common - the second room is very easy to blitz if you have good damage projection, that's why a sentry Stratios is perfect for running them. Just snipe the overseer / structure, then either bookmark the wreck/can, warp out and wait a bit for despawn, or - if you can tank the damage - just burn to the loot and grab it immediately.
It takes about 3, maybe 4 minutes tops to run Mul-Zatah in a Stratios (or Ishtar/Gila etc).
One last strange coincidence ... I logged back into the game a while ago, I was still browsing the forums (this thread among them) so I casually scanned the sigs in my current base system... found a 4/10, ran it and it actually dropped 325 mil in loot, which i think is the most I *ever* got from a sansha 4/10 (angels and guristas can occasionally drop more than that, though).
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T'senei
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.02.03 10:00:14 -
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You probably meant Angel 4/10, Guristas Scout Outpost does not have an overseer cruiser, but a structure ("telescope" type, IIRC).
I run that site yesterday in Astero,forgot to mention that.... |
Altair Taurus
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Posted - 2016.02.03 11:51:26 -
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Funky Koval wrote:
You probably meant Angel 4/10, Guristas Scout Outpost does not have an overseer cruiser, but a structure ("telescope" type, IIRC).
What are you talking about???
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Guristas_Scout_Outpost
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1 x (Overseer Cruiser) Guristas Scout Officer (wreck contains 7th Tier Overseer's Personal Effects and may contain Dread Guristas Cruiser Modules and may produce Tech 2 salvage)
I know there is a Telescope (more precisely radio telescope) in the second room which contains valuable loot but it's a bit difficult to assume that Telescope could be an overseer because this is not a ship, IMO. |
Funky Koval
Bad Artists
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Posted - 2016.02.03 12:48:53 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:Quote:
1 x (Overseer Cruiser) Guristas Scout Officer (wreck contains 7th Tier Overseer's Personal Effects and may contain Dread Guristas Cruiser Modules and may produce Tech 2 salvage)
Ah THAT overseer cruiser  forgot about it (tbh it's been over 2 years I think since I last ran GSO). Anyway, it don;t think it ever dropped anything of value for me, perhaps that's why I discounted it.
Quote:
I know there is a Telescope (more precisely radio telescope) in the second room which contains valuable loot but it's a bit difficult to assume that Telescope could be an overseer because this is not a ship, IMO.
That's why I called it an "overseer structure", it also drops overseer effects. There are many more examples of those in higher rated plexes.
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Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.02.03 15:06:52 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:OK! Astero with scout drones can run DED 3/10 sites but I am not sure about all DED 4/10 sites. For instance Serpentis DED 4/10 site consists of Phi-Outpost Protector battleship as its final boss. This battleship's tank is hard to break. Lately I broke it flying Onyx dealing ~600 DPS but it took me a moment. On the other hand Guristas DED 4/10 site is easier. I ran it in Rook and you can meet cruisers (including overseers) as largest rat ships - all quite easy to destroy but jamming frigates can be a bit annoying at times.
Maybe someone else can tell something informative about Sansha and Bloods DED 4/10 sites.
Dude, I've killed that BS with a Svipul, Confessor, and Hecate; and didn't break a sweat. |
Altair Taurus
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Posted - 2016.02.03 16:47:17 -
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LOL! You accomplished great achievement! Dude, these stupidly overpowered Tactical Destroyers are able to push 500-750 DPS... |
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
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Posted - 2016.02.04 04:41:15 -
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Hey I ran two Serpentis 4/10 today with my Astero with nothing but Hobs. I use a shield one and my fit is cap stable so just gotta find something to orbit 30km and wait. Didn't grt the best drops but it's doable.
@lunettelulu7
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T'senei
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.02.04 08:07:56 -
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Lulu you did not need to warp out of combat?I ask becouse I need to warp out few times running Guristas outpost and lost some preciuos time.
Maybe shield fit is better then armor...more dps.I hoped that armor fit will be good for SOE ships but now I see a lot of pilots using shield... |
Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.02.04 14:18:15 -
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T'senei wrote:Lulu you did not need to warp out of combat?I ask becouse I need to warp out few times running Guristas outpost and lost some preciuos time. Maybe shield fit is better then armor...more dps.I hoped that armor fit will be good for SOE ships but now I see a lot of pilots using shield...
Lulu was prolly orbiting at a speed of 1000+m/s, which greatly reduces the damage from Serpentis guns. |
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