what ever i stell fink suicide gankin hulks in high sec needs to be banned and im sticking to that

Have you tried washing? It will make the stickiness go away.
Also, spell-checking.

my spillin has got jack to do with it

pathetic

People like you give us high sec carebears a bad name

Probably not, but your spelling sure does.

who gives a **** about spelling

by the way, without miners, all you PVPer's would be comatose....

by the way, without miners, all you PVPer's would be comatose....

By the way, miners are PvPers.

By the way, miners are PvPers.

hmm might wanna rephrase that, im not a PvPer, i dont own a single DPS ship since my last missioning one blew up and even then thats PvE...... i fly Logi for incursions and industrial ships/Mining ships for indi/manu.......

Judging by OP's wonderful grammar and spelling, I can safely assume that he is a moron and he deserves getting owned.

All that mining has lowered your IQ to dangerous levels, be thankful people are trying to make you smarter!

hmm might wanna rephrase that

im not a PvPer [lists a number of PvP activities]

And he wasnt the one who got ganked, i was, he happens to show a little more about it than i do, but since im here wanting to not die even if i did or didnt have a tank fitted hulk.... there are people who wish to see the fighting/pvp side of ever and those who rather enjoy mining/manu/hauling..... why not just accept the fact that people who want to be left the hell alone should deserve that right when they are paying upwards from $15 up to $135 (how ever much your plans are).

i prefer peaceful belts and fun incursions, other then that id like to be left alone and make the most out of my money, without some ganker coming in who wont even salvage my **** (atleast he could do that) becuase concord will be hot on the trail not saving me in the process.

Ok im calling for a bannen of suicide gankin hulks in high sec it's getting out of hand and needs to stop.... so im going to ask for a petition.. so im askin players that like flying hulks to sign up.. just drop your name and thats it thanks

how is it pvp when my corporation and i are mining the belt's with no one around in a dead end system in high sec.... there is no competition, exactly how we like it so we dont have to be in this situation and we are 10j from any of the nearest trade routes

its 1 sided pvp when the other side is really wanting to get their crap done rather than go around screwing people lives all day....

yea there is always a solution for a problem, but why not keep the area's where ppl who want risk get risk, and those who dont want it, get to keep it that way.

how is it pvp when my corporation and i are mining the belt's with no one around in a dead end system in high sec.... there is no competition, exactly how we like it so we dont have to be in this situation and we are 10j from any of the nearest trade routes

its 1 sided pvp when the other side is really wanting to get their crap done rather than go around screwing people lives all day....

yea there is always a solution for a problem, but why not keep the area's where ppl who want risk get risk, and those who dont want it, get to keep it that way.

I do.

If the OP can't be bothered to express his point, then his point is obviously not worth bothering about. At most, we can re-purpose his thread as a comedy act (because that's what his humorous idea made it to begin with).

how is it pvp when my corporation and i are mining the belt's with no one around in a dead end system in high sec.... there is no competition

its 1 sided pvp when the other side is really wanting to get their crap done rather than go around screwing people lives all day....

how is it pvp when my corporation and i are mining the belt's with no one around in a dead end system in high sec.... there is no competition, exactly how we like it so we dont have to be in this situation and we are 10j from any of the nearest trade routes

its 1 sided pvp when the other side is really wanting to get their crap done rather than go around screwing people lives all day....

yea there is always a solution for a problem, but why not keep the area's where ppl who want risk get risk, and those who dont want it, get to keep it that way.

ahahahahahaa

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please, keep posting about how suicide ganks should be banned

Ok im calling for a bannen of suicide gankin hulks in high sec it's getting out of hand and needs to stop.... so im going to ask for a petition.. so im askin players that like flying hulks to sign up.. just drop your name and thats it thanks

What took you so long?

Selling the ore is pvp.
Mining the ore before someone else does is pvp.
Getting ganked is pvp
shooting at the kind people cleaning up cans of ore miners clearly do not want is pvp
building a ship and then selling it is pvp.
ect ect..

hmm might wanna rephrase that, im not a PvPer, i dont own a single DPS ship since my last missioning one blew up and even then thats PvE...... i fly Logi for incursions and industrial ships/Mining ships for indi/manu.......

Ok im calling for a bannen of suicide gankin hulks in high sec it's getting out of hand and needs to stop.... so im going to ask for a petition.. so im askin players that like flying hulks to sign up.. just drop your name and thats it thanks

Time to change your profession. :D

- Fit a DC2 (generally means giving up one of your MLUs)
- Use tanking rigs instead of cargo rigs
- Stay off the beaten path (do not mine along a major travel route).
- Avoid systems with more then 20 in local.
- Make sure all known gank corps are tagged -5. Maybe tag NPC corps as -5 too.
- Fly cheap, fly insured.
- Never smack talk in local / private chats.
- Don't announce what you're doing to the world and don't give out location intel.
- Don't leave combat drones out unless you are killing a NPC rat spawn.

Stupid bullshit.

It's as Miners would tell you to not use weapon ups but all cargo rigs and never fly anything else but T1 ships.
Even the most brainless PvPler should know, that insurence for T2+ is a wast of money.

And avoid systems with more then 20? LOOOOOOLLLL ... that coming for a PvP player who NEVER come with less then 100.
Troll more noob.

... mechanics to properly punish them. At the moment there is no mechanic ...

You're either an idiot or a troll, can't make up my mind.

Another big FAIL balance :(

So you want only 00 BOTs to mine for more RMT?

So you want only 00 BOTs to mine for more RMT?

(by the way, nobody mines in nullsec)

People "Mine" in Carriers in Nullsec all the time.

Tanking a barge is like fortifying a wet paper bag. If you can get the EHP so that it takes more than one ship to gank a barge then they'll bring two.

people hella gunmine but anyone in any sort of mining ship should be shot by their own alliance

(by the way, nobody mines in nullsec)

People's unwillingness to use the many mechanics at their disposal is not a failure of balance.

Ok im calling for a bannen of suicide gankin hulks in high sec it's getting out of hand and needs to stop.... so im going to ask for a petition.. so im askin players that like flying hulks to sign up.. just drop your name and thats it thanks

The mechanics available at the moment are nowhere near enough strong enough to disuade people from suicide ganking.

Big deal I now have a kill right on a character who is also -10 but the only ship he is trained to fly is a cruiser at best. Ok so I catch him in my battleship and pop him. Do they care?

tell you what my turn im going to fram a group to pay you gankers back see you soon x)

people hella gunmine but anyone in any sort of mining ship should be shot by their own alliance

Of course not. Why should they?
Of course. He now has to go through the bother of getting a new ship to a character that can't move around with the same freedom as everyone else; he must all of a sudden take into account that maybe there's someone out there that is actually making use of his free-for-all status; and above all, he just lost a killGǪ

None of those reasons you mentioned are of any note to a suicide ganker. Getting a new ship is exceptionally easy as the main character just drops of as many ships/fitting he requires. Losing a kill? I presume this means someone has killed him and not the other way around, if so its not even noticable losing a ship that is so easily replaced. If he cared about his killboard kill/death ratio he would not be a suicide ganker.

Why should the mechanics be strong enough to disuade suicide ganking you ask? Whats the point of them if they are not strong enough? At the moment when a suicide ganker evaluates his target and the consequences of his actions he quickly realises the consequences are so minimal that they are almost non existant.

Suicide gankers and there fans will argue till they are blue in the face that the penalties are fine as they are now simply becaus they dont want their easy ISK taken away or made harder to obtain and will try talk down any who argue otherwise. Myself, i believe suicide ganking should be viable but have some sort of meaningful punishment, something to make the ganker think twice and maybe then decide against it. There are some who just dont care and will gank whatever the punishment, nothing you can do about those players but many may think twice if the risk of suicide ganking was increased.

None of those reasons you mentioned are of any note to a suicide ganker.

If he cared about his killboard kill/death ratio he would not be a suicide ganker.

Why should the mechanics be strong enough to disuade suicide ganking you ask? Whats the point of them if they are not strong enough?

At the moment when a suicide ganker evaluates his target and the consequences of his actions he quickly realises the consequences are so minimal that they are

Myself, i believe suicide ganking should be viable but have some sort of meaningful punishment

which it has, if people just bothered to actually mete it out. They don't, so they have forfeited their right to complain about how that punishment is too lax GÇö it's lax because they choose to make it lax. That is a people problem, not a game mechanics problem.

...
where EvE could easily stand for Everybody vs. Everybody.

Which probably needs to change.

If CCP wants to add targets to the game for small gang PVP, making Null Sec profitable to mine in (real mining) would be a great way to do it.

LOL

Ok im calling for a bannen of suicide gankin hulks in high sec it's getting out of hand and needs to stop.... so im going to ask for a petition.. so im askin players that like flying hulks to sign up.. just drop your name and thats it thanks

I do.

If the OP can't be bothered to express his point, then his point is obviously not worth bothering about. At most, we can re-purpose his thread as a comedy act (because that's what his humorous idea made it to begin with).

The OP is apparently complaining about legitimate gameplay because, not only can't he be bothered with stating his case GÇö he can't be bothered with playing the game.
By the way, miners are PvPers.

hmm might wanna rephrase that, im not a PvPer, i dont own a single DPS ship since my last missioning one blew up and even then thats PvE...... i fly Logi for incursions and industrial ships/Mining ships for indi/manu.......

I still LOL @ people that lose ships in missions, to NPCs, dunno' why, it's just funneh!

Doing missions is the safest and most simple thing I can think of in eve...

Except Mining, but I don't think about that because my IQ would drop to 40...

for such a spelling **** you sure "can't be bothered" to stop using the phrase "can't be bothered" if you "can't be bothered" to use it appropriately

The hell is the point of having money if you can't lose it retardedly?

If I was a miner, and had all my brain cells (which is unlikely), I would just man the **** up and get another. Then, when bored, I'd fit myself a thorax and gank some EVE-Uni newbie in a retriever.

Since you couldn't be bothered to point out any actual errors, I can only assume that the asterisks hide the word GÇ£heroGÇ¥. No need to censor it.

don't use a thorax on a retriever

because retrievers are made out of paper you can get a retriever and the pod if you're quick, so you want to use a catalyst instead so it locks the pod faster

i didn't censor the word, the forums did, here's a hint, it's 4 letters, and most ladies dont like it

either way, your not perfect, so get off your high horse

i didn't censor the word, the forums did, here's a hint, it's 4 letters, and most ladies dont like it

either way, your not perfect, so get off your high horse

confirming the devs have stated "EvE stands for Everyone v. Everyone"

I think Guard put it best.

Do you think a full gank Artillery Tornado can instapop a Hulk?

On the test server I was able to instapop frigates, cruisers and other T3 battlecruisers from 130 KM with it.

"you" is three letters

though it's you typing it so its "me" and two

in both cases it's not censored

[quote=Weaselior]
I'm actually thinking of becoming an ******* in game as well and suicide ganking people.

don't use a thorax on a retriever

because retrievers are made out of paper you can get a retriever and the pod if you're quick, so you want to use a catalyst instead so it locks the pod faster

hussein is censored?

ccp has an anti-obama agenda it seems

stalin isn't censored, what's this

Why oh why didn't I become a goon back in late 2006 when I started Eve?

Oh wait, I did try, but one of your doodz told me to go to your home system and drop 15 mils in his wallet, then * could join...

It didn't pan out so good.

I got there, but I didn't really want to pay the *fee* because I am a greedy bastard, so I had a little Benny Hill chase around the region with you guys instead...

Fun times...

I still want to be a Goon... ;(

Make a friend.

MIne in Rohk.

Friend in Hauler.

Suicide Ganks be gone.

i have never seen a mining ship in 0.0 (outside of cobalt edge/renter space)

Why oh why didn't I become a goon back in late 2006 when I started Eve?

Oh wait, I did try, but one of your doodz told me to go to your home system and drop 15 mils in his wallet, then * could join...

It didn't pan out so good.

I got there, but I didn't really want to pay the *fee* because I am a greedy bastard, so I had a little Benny Hill chase around the region with you guys instead...

Fun times...

I still want to be a Goon... ;(

i can help get you in, it'll cost you 3 Bill though, doubt you can afford it

Oh, I can afford it, but I am just not that stupid...

If i wasn't that dumb in 2006, I am not that dumb now...

If I think about it, I can't afford it per se, because I am flying loaned faction ships, and I haven't been able to make any ISK in months due to work, and lately, due to my GPU being fried.

I'll just do what all good Goonies do and try my luck on SA...

Tracking my new GPU ATM, it is somewhere near Oslo, should arrive in about 2 days...

Then it's MONEY MAKING TIME YYYEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

i was quoting handsome ******* (it did it again! lol) and it was censored, it made me laugh guess i'm spelling wrong, where tippia to correct me

maybe my forum settings? not sure really, works when you type it though

he inserted a blank vbcode tag in the middle, which confuses the naughty word parser

if that's true, then that's hilarious, if not, still funny

The instructions are public. Join SA > make friends at SA > Join friends in-game.

After that... well, I don't know what they did for fun. Do you?

i was quoting handsome ******* (it did it again! lol) and it was censored, it made me laugh guess i'm spelling wrong, where tippia to correct me

maybe my forum settings? not sure really, works when you type it though

word filters are easy to bypass, e.g. kugutsumen

"heh-heh-heh, heh-heh-heh! Got a Hulk! heh-heh-heh. [See cat grooming itself. Shoots it with a rubber band]. heh-heh-heh! That cat jumped it's stupid a** off! heh-heh-heh. Going to find me another Hulk! heh-heh-heh...."

You will never convince suicide gankers to stop suicide ganking and anyhow why should they. You just have to hope CCP implement better game mechanics to properly punish them. At the moment there is no mechanic and apart from the loss of a cheap ass frigate or destroyer its just free ISK/kills for the ganker.

Funny thing is if you post a suggestion the suicide ganker tears and cries of how unfair it is is as funny to carebears as miners complaining about being ganked is to suicide gankers.

Ok im calling for a bannen of suicide gankin hulks in high sec it's getting out of hand and needs to stop.... so im going to ask for a petition.. so im askin players that like flying hulks to sign up.. just drop your name and thats it thanks

Do you think a full gank Artillery Tornado can instapop a Hulk?.

Yes. The Tornado was a gift from the CCP gods to reward the faithful for keeping belts clear of filthy miners.

Ok im calling for a bannen of suicide gankin hulks in high sec it's getting out of hand and needs to stop.... so im going to ask for a petition.. so im askin players that like flying hulks to sign up.. just drop your name and thats it thanks

Well, how about making it impossible to do suicide ganking on trial accounts - if you want to grief (and let's not kid ourselves, it is just that, rich people shooting poor people), at least accept the consequences of being marked as one.

Make it so you can't commit a CONCORD unsanctioned attacks in high sec on trial accounts.

bannen of suicide gankin hulks

Posts like this make me wanna gank a hulk...

This^

Psshh. Makes me want to gank a hulk in a hulk.

who gives a **** about spelling, either you have one opinion or another, im sure as hell there are thousands of miners willing to ban hulkageddon becuase it is literally 'griefing on a mass scale' and not giving any profit to those who have successfully ganked since they will be to busy dodging concord or getting killed themselves.... so why not save everyone the time and money and make more tournaments for those dumb ass pvpers who got nothing better to do but use the miners hard work against them.

by the way, without miners, all you PVPer's would be comatose....

Actually more than half of the minerals in EVE come from reprocessing mission loot. And more than half of the minerals that come from miners come from bot miners. So if all you losers leave us alone, we'll happily gank each other.

That's right, I said it. Now go away and play something else.

-snip- By the way, miners are PvPers.

Ya know Tippia, you are a well respected poster on these forums, but this time, you got it wrong. ONLY in theory are miners PvPers because it is quite true that there is no safe area where you can avoid destructive actions by other players. In practice, miners are NOT PvPers.

Many posters have valid arguments. Let's examine:

In favor of the "play smart" crowd : For Christ's sake dude, tank your Hulk!!! I do on my two accounts and we fly with Orca Support from a corp mate. Only the most determined gankers take me/us out. Most of the time they don't even get me into armor. Pathetic losers who don't know how it works. Maybe we are practice targets ... maybe they are just stupid. Tanking your Hulk makes for a more difficult kill ... common sense.

In favor of the hardworking Hi Sec CareBear : why is a Hulk killmail so sought after? Placing a Hulk killmail on your resume should be embarrassing. Gank-tuned-build versus wimpiest ship in the game - this garners ePeen? I think the values are skewed. As an employer, I look for real killmails :: real kills. Come to me in lo sec, scan me down, bring your budz, and if you get a kill mail, then that would be worthy of placement on your resume. If all you have on your resume are Hulk kills, you seriously NEED to STAY in hi sec. Or, come to lo sec, try to scan me down, bring your budz, and we'll see.

Recently, my corp was WarDecced after the Deccing corp ganked some of our newer Retriever pilots. I suppose they thought we were a bunch of noobs. We grouped up in a 0.2 system and started sending trash-talk emails. They never showed up then allowed the Dec to expire. So, um, were they afraid to attack us in lo sec ? But they claim fame by killing Retrievers? Cowards and losers. So in the end, we continued our hi sec operations unhindered by interference from losers who call themselves PvPers.

I would think that real PvPers would keep the cowards and bullies in check just to make sure an honest standard of PvP is maintained. In my dumb azz opinion, the real PvPers are in lo sec - and watch out for them if you are by yourself !!! PvP in lo sec is the real deal. These people who gank Hulks in Hi sec and call it PvP are pathetic cowards with no clue of how to earn a real killmail.

Ya know Tippia, you are a well respected poster on these forums, but this time, you got it wrong. ONLY in theory are miners PvPers because it is quite true that there is no safe area where you can avoid destructive actions by other players. In practice, miners are NOT PvPers.

Not all PvP results in a killmail. Every piece of Ore some miner mines (and delivers to market/doesn't buy off the market) devalues those mineral markets slightly, hurting the value of stockpiles other miners and traders hold.

Players hurting the economic interests of other Players. Sounds like PvP to me. Really, Really boring PvP, but PvP nonetheless. (BTW, this is the main thrust of the Goons Ice interdiction. Shoot everyone in the wallet. Ganking miners is just their means to that end.)