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Mikal Drey
Purgatorial Janitors Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.30 10:06:00 -
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hey hey
While ISK >> GTC is good for the community its is bad for CCP.
GTC sellers took over and CCP were left out the loop, yes they still got cash but it is seen that they themselves are supporting the isk/cash laundering system
I do not support the buying of GTC's for isk and a corp mate of mine buys his GTC's that way. Yes it helps those players who cannot afford the game sub but it could also mean that ther are players out there who never part with RL cash to play the game.
I origionally** paid my gameplay with GTC's as i believed that it was more secure and alot more convenient for me but they gimped that and i changed to DD now i never look back cause DD has been alot cheaper due to the good exchange rates :)
**one day i'll spell it right :/
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Malakash
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Posted - 2007.01.30 10:27:00 -
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GTC for ISK sales is something really usefull, whealty players can expend extra money to reinforce their wallets, not so whealty players can expend iskies instead of money to keep playing.
CCP doesnt loose money, is like someone would be paying for another player to keep playing, everybody is benefited, including CCP, which keeps a larger player base and keep them playing when things got complicatated and they canŠt pay in money to keep playing.
I dont think isk-->gtc, should, would and will be banned.
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Malakash
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Posted - 2007.01.30 10:27:00 -
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GTC for ISK sales is something really usefull, whealty players can expend extra money to reinforce their wallets, not so whealty players can expend iskies instead of money to keep playing.
CCP doesnt loose money, is like someone would be paying for another player to keep playing, everybody is benefited, including CCP, which keeps a larger player base and keep them playing when things got complicatated and they canŠt pay in money to keep playing.
I dont think isk-->gtc, should, would and will be banned.
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Araxmas
Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.01.30 10:31:00 -
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Edited by: Araxmas on 30/01/2007 10:27:53
Originally by: Mikal Drey
I do not support the buying of GTC's for isk and a corp mate of mine buys his GTC's that way. Yes it helps those players who cannot afford the game sub but it could also mean that ther are players out there who never part with RL cash to play the game.
Agree. RL money in no way shape or form should influence gameplay except your sub. Its like the eve version of paying someone to 'level' you. You should work for your money not use your RL position to enhance your virtual position.
Edit: just to save confusion when I say 'work for your money' I mean your ISK not your RL --------
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.30 10:31:00 -
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What you do in game should reflect your in-game abilities, not your RL wallet.
GTC/ISK trades are bad.
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
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Wild Rho
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2007.01.30 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake What you do in game should reflect your in-game abilities, not your RL wallet.
GTC/ISK trades are bad.
Summed up my thoughts in one.
I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
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Wild Rho
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2007.01.30 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake What you do in game should reflect your in-game abilities, not your RL wallet.
GTC/ISK trades are bad.
Summed up my thoughts in one.
I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
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Nullity
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.30 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho
Originally by: Rodj Blake What you do in game should reflect your in-game abilities, not your RL wallet.
GTC/ISK trades are bad.
Summed up my thoughts in one.
I've got to agree. I can't buy my team points in a basketball game. Why should I be able to buy an advantage in a computer game?
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Nullity
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.30 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho
Originally by: Rodj Blake What you do in game should reflect your in-game abilities, not your RL wallet.
GTC/ISK trades are bad.
Summed up my thoughts in one.
I've got to agree. I can't buy my team points in a basketball game. Why should I be able to buy an advantage in a computer game?
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Robacz
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.30 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Nullity I've got to agree. I can't buy my team points in a basketball game. Why should I be able to buy an advantage in a computer game?
If you remove GTC sales, you can still buy major advantage with RL cash - more accounts.
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Robacz
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.30 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Nullity I've got to agree. I can't buy my team points in a basketball game. Why should I be able to buy an advantage in a computer game?
If you remove GTC sales, you can still buy major advantage with RL cash - more accounts.
___________ Buying/Selling: Implants & Hardwirings Producing/BPCs: Mining Barges, BCs, Cruisers |
ToxicFire
Phoenix Knights
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Posted - 2007.01.30 11:37:00 -
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Edited by: ToxicFire on 30/01/2007 11:35:51 People please engage the logic portion of your brain before posting CCP will not ban GTC to ISK sales the marketing department would never even let the idea get table I'm quite sure... think about the percentage of GTC players that make up the current population now think about how many of those are supplied via GTC to ISK. No sane business would suddenly decide to axe the primary form of access to a third of its customer base.
Most likely there will be a more regulated system designed specifically for GTC trading for isk or CCP could go the whole hog and start offering cash for isk directly itself.
The existing system isn't secure isn't safe is open to scams and is rather ad-hoc which is the primary reason for any changes.
Oh and for the people wondering why people buy isk via gtc... even though I don't do it myself in eve I understand it. Some people play the game to play the game. some people play the game to win(which is neigh impossible in eve but people for it strive anyway) and those kinda people take any advantage they get.
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ToxicFire
Phoenix Knights
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Posted - 2007.01.30 11:37:00 -
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Edited by: ToxicFire on 30/01/2007 11:35:51 People please engage the logic portion of your brain before posting CCP will not ban GTC to ISK sales the marketing department would never even let the idea get table I'm quite sure... think about the percentage of GTC players that make up the current population now think about how many of those are supplied via GTC to ISK. No sane business would suddenly decide to axe the primary form of access to a third of its customer base.
Most likely there will be a more regulated system designed specifically for GTC trading for isk or CCP could go the whole hog and start offering cash for isk directly itself.
The existing system isn't secure isn't safe is open to scams and is rather ad-hoc which is the primary reason for any changes.
Oh and for the people wondering why people buy isk via gtc... even though I don't do it myself in eve I understand it. Some people play the game to play the game. some people play the game to win(which is neigh impossible in eve but people for it strive anyway) and those kinda people take any advantage they get.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.30 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Robacz
Originally by: Nullity I've got to agree. I can't buy my team points in a basketball game. Why should I be able to buy an advantage in a computer game?
If you remove GTC sales, you can still buy major advantage with RL cash - more accounts.
Yes. And what's worse, is if you can then sell those accounts with isks. However, such a thing, IMO, tends to be rate limited. Running 2 'active' accounts at once is fairly challenging (ok, AFK hauling on one, whilst PvPing on the other isn't all that hard).
But even so, I think that's not actually a problem - at least the stuff done with the 'one man team' is subject to the normal constraints of EVE gameplay - namely stuff like territorial control on 0.0, or actually competing in the trade arena, or just paying attention to doing that L4 mission.
I don't think that compares to me going and 'buying' 1bn isks because where I live in 0.0 is really busy at the moment, and I need a few more T2 fitted BS.
However, to the OP, that's not what Kieron said at all. I hope this _does_ turn out to be the case, but ... well I'll wait and see. I _think_ CCP have the right idea as to what's good for a game, long term, and ... well isk reselling ain't it.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.30 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: ToxicFire Edited by: ToxicFire on 30/01/2007 11:35:51 People please engage the logic portion of your brain before posting CCP will not ban GTC to ISK sales the marketing department would never even let the idea get table I'm quite sure... think about the percentage of GTC players that make up the current population now think about how many of those are supplied via GTC to ISK. No sane business would suddenly decide to axe the primary form of access to a third of its customer base.
Most likely there will be a more regulated system designed specifically for GTC trading for isk or CCP could go the whole hog and start offering cash for isk directly itself.
The existing system isn't secure isn't safe is open to scams and is rather ad-hoc which is the primary reason for any changes.
Oh and for the people wondering why people buy isk via gtc... even though I don't do it myself in eve I understand it. Some people play the game to play the game. some people play the game to win(which is neigh impossible in eve but people for it strive anyway) and those kinda people take any advantage they get.
Well, isks -> game time isn't actually all that big a deal IMO. It's game time -> isks that's the problem.
I honestly don't know how much of EVE is playing off isk bought GTCs, and of those how many would not be able to afford to do so if that were banned.
I don't think you're right - I think the brains in CCP are also quite well aware that trading RL cash for in game advantage, or for that matter, making a RL profit (even if it's just play for free) for in game effort is very unhealthy for a game, long term.
I mean, lets face it, cheating, exploiting and 'laming' is enough of a problem as is. How much of a difference is it if you've got 'real' money on the line?
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smashsmash
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Posted - 2007.01.30 12:14:00 -
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be skeptical, be very skeptical. then you won't be disappointed.
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Cotton Tail
Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.30 12:33:00 -
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A good move by CCP if they go through with something like this, GTCs are as bad as ebay isk buying no matter how you sugar-coat it. CCP doesn't get more money, all that is happening is one player is paying for another, and people get isk without working for it ingame. I never understood how CCP could both condone ebay and encourage GTC trading, hopefully they'll be able to enforce something now.
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Jane Spondogolo
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Posted - 2007.01.30 12:50:00 -
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Edited by: Jane Spondogolo on 30/01/2007 12:48:47 Edited by: Jane Spondogolo on 30/01/2007 12:47:21 Oh dear.
If they remove the ability to buy timecards for isk, thats going to really really cause problems for folks like me whos credit cards are maxed or 'confiscated by significant other' and mine it up to trade for timecards so Im able to continue to play
Fun whilst it lasted I guess.
Meanwhilst the ebayers continue as usual.
edit: Anyone know any free muds? :(
It'll be ages before I've dug my finances back into "can justify playing online games" again.
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Nev Clavain
Wise Guys Rogue Method Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.30 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Plutoinum I hope that they just change the mechanism, how gametime is sold for isk. Like that it doesn't work via exchanging keys anymore. That could already stop resellers and scammers. And if they implement an extra mechanism to transfer gametime, it could also be better traceable, who sells how many keys to whom, so maybe CCP could even implement limits.
Sounds sweet if you could actually transfer a number of days to another account via some kind of contract, protected and logged by ccp. This could be limited by a maximum amount of transferable time to stop the systematic abuse of the system by some people, to turn their spare cash into a fortune they really don't deserve by any in-game merit.
I really don't have a problem with people paying for their account with isk, or a problem with someone who leads a busy life spending the odd bit of cash to get a ship or something they want in game. The problem is with the abusers of the system, when whole corps and alliances can be insulated against horrific in-game losses by one rich player selling 100s of timecodes every month. This needs to stop.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.30 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Stephra Parle What's "RMT" when it's at home?
"Real Money Transactions" (buying in game currency for real life money).
I don't really see the problem, here. Abolish "GTCs" as they are right now, and its no problem. The problem with the current system is that the same means of buying game time exists for both isk and real money, which creates a medium for RMT. So, make it so theres an official service for buying subscription for isk- no "time cards" or "codes" or other things that are tradable, just a straight "deposit isk here for subscription" system, directly managed by CCP. Then replace all the out-of-game methods of paying for GTCs with other systems using the same method.
Result? People can still carry on paying for the game however they do right now (no subscribers lost), but no longer can anyone profit from their real life wealth in-game.
As to the morales of it all, I think its despicably flawed that someone who decides they can't be arsed to work for something in game can just flash their credit card and pokcet a billion or so. In EVE, isk is the real "exp"- its not SP that wins battles, its the expensive equipment, and the big toys. It makes a mockery of the game if, for my corporation to build a Dread or Carrier, we have to mine solid for 48 hours, rat our arses off, etc, while someone else can just whip out their visa and buy one like they're shopping on Amazon. Its unbalancing, its unfair, and more importantly, its completely lame. -----------------------------------------------
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.30 15:39:00 -
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Edited by: Kuolematon on 30/01/2007 15:36:52 So I can buy GTC's and they will still work after 6 months?? Playing Caldari-Online as a Amarr specced is PURE Hardcore
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Exiled One
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2007.01.30 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon Edited by: Kuolematon on 30/01/2007 15:36:52 So I can buy GTC's and they will still work after 6 months??
If you use them now. Signature removed as it fails to comply with the rules. Also, please think of the epileptics :) -Ivan K
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FuzzBuzz
Caldari Templars of Space CORE.
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Posted - 2007.01.30 15:50:00 -
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buy them now and add them to your account, im sure they stack up
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.30 15:57:00 -
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I recently bought few of them but my accounts has 2 months of CC left on them. Should I wait? Playing Caldari-Online as a Amarr specced is PURE Hardcore
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2007.01.30 17:39:00 -
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the GTC market is indeed a market. there is a demand for them - for an obvious reason.
as much as an alliance leader may plan to produce isk this way, we all know what happens if supplies explode. but yes, it's easy to just bark out how many gazillions of isk might be bought.
but as long as it is "recommended" to run a (few) carebear(s) along with your PvP character, we need rich guys to pay for gametime.
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000Hunter000
Gallente Infinite Style Incorporated Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.30 17:47:00 -
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Good ridance if it's true.
Impo, if u want to get ahead in this game, PLAY!!!
I know it sucks if u like the game but don't have a lot of time to play eve but the gtc for isk sales smelled too much like a cheat tbh.
I do wonder though, i mean ccp got some extra income from peeps who didn't want to make the isk the hard way and bought the gtc's to sell for isk, so why would they stop something that got them extra income? Resized tag... again... hope this pleases the tag ninjas from ccp... again :p
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Cloora
Caldari APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.01.30 18:27:00 -
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Aren't ISK -> GTC a way for CCP to remove tons of ISK from the game and as a product of that controlling in game inflation? That is important in a game that relies so much on a healthy market such as this one. ======================================== Cloora Caldari Miner/Fighter
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Exiled One
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2007.01.30 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Cloora Aren't ISK -> GTC a way for CCP to remove tons of ISK from the game and as a product of that controlling in game inflation? That is important in a game that relies so much on a healthy market such as this one.
No, it only encourages plex, mission, belt whoring. Signature removed as it fails to comply with the rules. Also, please think of the epileptics :) -Ivan K
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Hakera
Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.01.30 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86 So, make it so theres an official service for buying subscription for isk- no "time cards" or "codes" or other things that are tradable, just a straight "deposit isk here for subscription" system, directly managed by CCP. Then replace all the out-of-game methods of paying for GTCs with other systems using the same method.
Result? People can still carry on paying for the game however they do right now (no subscribers lost), but no longer can anyone profit from their real life wealth in-game.
so what value exactly does isk have for CCP? For any trade to work there has to be a buyer and a seller, both of which are players, one wanting game time, the other wanting isk.
CCP only want the $$$$ after all
The only solution is for either CCP to only issue to codes, but also sell ingame currency (to which there is a disparity as your selling something for nothing) or simple ban it alltogether other than business as usual now.
Since the former is unlikely, there is only two real options, carry on as usual or stop GTC sales (at least through the forum medium) as prepaid game time cards are unlikely to be stopped altogether, there will always be outside transactions and the demand for isk from western players.
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Angellyne
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Posted - 2007.01.30 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Exiled One
Originally by: Cloora Aren't ISK -> GTC a way for CCP to remove tons of ISK from the game and as a product of that controlling in game inflation? That is important in a game that relies so much on a healthy market such as this one.
No, it only encourages plex, mission, belt whoring.
It wouldn't remove ISK from the game unless CCP was doing the selling. Nice if they start doing that.
I doubt people would do any less "whoring" if ISK -> GTC went away. Gorgeous logic there, btw - everything is "whoring" if you do it for ISK. You forgot production, trade and - if you make ISK as a pirate, um... "gank whoring"?
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