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Nameira Vanis-Tor Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 339	Posted - 2016.02.04 14:30:10 - [1] - Quote Greetings Capsuleers, I have grown deeply concerned at the level of conflict growing amongst the Tribal Liberation Force. It would appear that TLF loyalists of distinction in their own endeavours have managed to find cause to create a level of conflict that puts the fight against the Amarr Empire under serious risk. I would like to remind capsuleers loyal to the TLF that it was not so long ago that the whole of the warzone flew the Amarr flag. I urge all those involved who remember those dark times to remember the grim determination we had to destroy our old foes, when internal conflict was not an option and each pilot, corporation, alliance and coalition was valued for whatever it could contribute to the cause. As an ex-TLF pilot who remembers those times I urge those in positions of influence and leadership in the modern militia to find common ground no matter how small and try to lay the foundations for stopping the slavers from pushing the borders of the Empire back to our door step. If you must disagree please do not do so over un-encrypted channels, you only harm the militias professional image and make recruitment of future freedom fighters harder. As you well know the Rebublic will not help you out there. Every opportunity squandered means more Minmatar who have recently tasted freedom having to choose to flee the 24th Crusade and lose their homes or perhaps keep their homes and re-attach the shackles they have learnt to live without. I dread to think what methods of 're-education' the Empire would deploy on those unfortunates. Whilst the bright light of a liberated warzone recedes into the distance try not to let your disappointment turn you against each other. There will always be another opportunity and as immortals you can afford to be patient. Nameira Vanis-Tor
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 594	Posted - 2016.02.04 14:53:00 - [2] - Quote You seem to think warzone control has even the slightest impact planetside. That's sort of cute and all, but don't let the proxy wars deceive you into thinking they are anything but a distraction that can be used by the cunning to provide inspiration and symbolism elsewhere, no more. Besides, this particular fire needs to just burn out. It's a contest between hard-headed egomaniacs and overly "pragmatic" bloodthirsty warmongers, neither of which have anything but disgust for the other. Frankly, it doesn't much matter to me which of the two come out on top, as neither side have even the slightest or most tenuous loyalty to any of the ideals or strengths of the Tribes in the first place. Six up and half a dozen down, whichever way it goes. I don't think I could be more pleased with being "irrelevant" at this point, just being able to sit back and watch, as we do our own thing without getting involved with either of the two blocs. One side dancing to Dead Terrorists' tune, the other holding their noses up at such unsavory association while cuddling up to blooder and EoM psychopaths while sticking their fingers in their ears and humming real loud. No loss, whichever takes the brunt of this conflict.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2456	Posted - 2016.02.04 15:55:33 - [3] - Quote Every Chaos Fighter and TLF member is a direct enemy of Caldari State and Amarr Empire. They are to be destroyed on contact, diplomatic approach to them can be considered as pusillanimity or straightforward treason. DEATH TO ALL ENEMIES OF THE STATE! Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Deitra Vess Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 925	Posted - 2016.02.04 17:18:26 - [4] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: DEATH TO ALL ENEMIES OF THE STATE! Doesn't that include Heth? He was officially an outlaw to the state in his final days if I remember correctly... In that case wouldn't supporting him make said person traitorous to the state?
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2456	Posted - 2016.02.04 17:21:53 - [5] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: Diana Kim wrote: DEATH TO ALL ENEMIES OF THE STATE! Doesn't that include Heth? He was officially an outlaw to the state in his final days if I remember correctly... In that case wouldn't supporting him make said person traitorous to the state? No. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Deitra Vess Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 925	Posted - 2016.02.04 17:23:31 - [6] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: Diana Kim wrote: DEATH TO ALL ENEMIES OF THE STATE! Doesn't that include Heth? He was officially an outlaw to the state in his final days if I remember correctly... In that case wouldn't supporting him make said person traitorous to the state? No. Oh, alright. My bad.
Silvox Lunae EVE University Ivy League 52	Posted - 2016.02.04 17:59:54 - [7] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: Diana Kim wrote: DEATH TO ALL ENEMIES OF THE STATE! Doesn't that include Heth? He was officially an outlaw to the state in his final days if I remember correctly... In that case wouldn't supporting him make said person traitorous to the state? No. Oh, alright. My bad. Admirable effort, but ultimately pointless Ms. Vess. I am certain you have browsed these channels long enough to understand that Ms. Kim's sentiments are solely her own and not reflective of majority State opinion.
Deitra Vess Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 925	Posted - 2016.02.04 18:38:36 - [8] - Quote Ya, I know. Can't say I didn't try right? Honestly sometimes forget how seemingly out of touch she can be.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2457	Posted - 2016.02.04 20:18:18 - [9] - Quote I would appreciate if you don't pay attention to any unrelated scum, spreading lies about me. Thanks in advance. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Tyrel Toov Minmatar Confederate Starkmanir Unification 675	Posted - 2016.02.04 20:18:58 - [10] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Every Chaos Fighter and TLF member is a direct enemy of Caldari State and Amarr Empire. They are to be destroyed on contact, diplomatic approach to them can be considered as pusillanimity or straightforward treason. DEATH TO ALL ENEMIES OF THE STATE! This has absolutely nothing to do with the Amarr Empire or the State. I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Luna Hanaya Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 127	Posted - 2016.02.04 21:09:44 - [11] - Quote Tyrel Toov wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Every Chaos Fighter and TLF member is a direct enemy of Caldari State and Amarr Empire. They are to be destroyed on contact, diplomatic approach to them can be considered as pusillanimity or straightforward treason. DEATH TO ALL ENEMIES OF THE STATE! This has absolutely nothing to do with the Amarr Empire or the State. And what if you'll observe it more carefully before replying? ((Do you like roleplaying on forums? We have roleplaying channels in game too! Join "Intergalactic Summit" in-game channel and get connected with all the active roleplayers! For info about RP and the lore, there is "Out of Character" channel))
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2458	Posted - 2016.02.04 21:13:04 - [12] - Quote Luna Hanaya wrote: Tyrel Toov wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Every Chaos Fighter and TLF member is a direct enemy of Caldari State and Amarr Empire. They are to be destroyed on contact, diplomatic approach to them can be considered as pusillanimity or straightforward treason. DEATH TO ALL ENEMIES OF THE STATE! This has absolutely nothing to do with the Amarr Empire or the State. And what if you'll observe it more carefully before replying? He is a tribal. I doubt he could do it anyway. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Claudia Osyn Minmatar Confederate Starkmanir Unification 1638	Posted - 2016.02.04 23:18:19 - [13] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Luna Hanaya wrote: Tyrel Toov wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Every Chaos Fighter and TLF member is a direct enemy of Caldari State and Amarr Empire. They are to be destroyed on contact, diplomatic approach to them can be considered as pusillanimity or straightforward treason. DEATH TO ALL ENEMIES OF THE STATE! This has absolutely nothing to do with the Amarr Empire or the State. And what if you'll observe it more carefully before replying? He is a tribal. I doubt he could do it anyway. Does the State pay on commission for stupid, useless insults about peoples heritage, or is this a charity service you provide? A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 5902	Posted - 2016.02.04 23:24:14 - [14] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Luna Hanaya wrote: Tyrel Toov wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Every Chaos Fighter and TLF member is a direct enemy of Caldari State and Amarr Empire. They are to be destroyed on contact, diplomatic approach to them can be considered as pusillanimity or straightforward treason. DEATH TO ALL ENEMIES OF THE STATE! This has absolutely nothing to do with the Amarr Empire or the State. And what if you'll observe it more carefully before replying? He is a tribal. I doubt he could do it anyway. Does the State pay on commission for stupid, useless insults about peoples heritage, or is this a charity service you provide? The State embraces the concept of charitable donation. "Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
ValentinaDLM Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute 874	Posted - 2016.02.05 00:17:56 - [15] - Quote Well this got off topic quickly, yes there are political tensions in the Milita and we are handling them as best we can and as diplomatically as possible. Though I admit every times Mizhara speaks I can't help but be amazed at how she sees enemies even where there are none.
Luna Hanaya Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 127	Posted - 2016.02.05 00:36:05 - [16] - Quote ValentinaDLM wrote: Well this got off topic quickly, yes there are political tensions in the Milita and we are handling them as best we can and as diplomatically as possible. Though I admit every times Mizhara speaks I can't help but be amazed at how she sees enemies even where there are none. This happened also seven years ago, when peoples like Mizhara attacked CONCORD and Empire, they saw us enemies where there were none. I don't think anyone of us ever wanted anything bad for any of them, they lived their lives, we lived ours. But no, they needed someone to attack. Looks like they weren't satiated with their aggression against us and now it's your turn. ((Do you like roleplaying on forums? We have roleplaying channels in game too! Join "Intergalactic Summit" in-game channel and get connected with all the active roleplayers! For info about RP and the lore, there is "Out of Character" channel))
Deitra Vess Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 925	Posted - 2016.02.05 00:36:43 - [17] - Quote Saying this as a friend Val, image is everything. I'm not saying it to criticize but its kinda an easy sight for her to see, rightfully so or not.
Sinti Vailatti Royal Khanid Colonial Exploration 58	Posted - 2016.02.05 02:36:43 - [18] - Quote Maybe people in the TLF are finally getting tired of banging their collective heads against an unbreakable wall? Maybe if they truly cared about Matari interests, they'd try building something instead of bombing something? Like, you know...a working government? GÇ£Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves.GÇ¥
Deitra Vess Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 925	Posted - 2016.02.05 02:44:24 - [19] - Quote We have the tribes. We have a republic that tries to unify them somewhat. What isn't atleast slightly working?
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 597	Posted - 2016.02.05 04:14:52 - [20] - Quote ValentinaDLM wrote: Well this got off topic quickly, yes there are political tensions in the Milita and we are handling them as best we can and as diplomatically as possible. Though I admit every times Mizhara speaks I can't help but be amazed at how she sees enemies even where there are none. The combat records speak for themselves. Your pet psychopaths are quite demonstrably the enemy, when they slaughter non-combatants in Tribe space, as well as other TLF combatants. This is quite simply not disputable. When this changes, and a quick glance at the public records show that it hasn't, then there'd be room for... 'interpretation', as it were. I don't care who you shoot outside Tribal space, but you can't just expect me to ignore it when your pilots actively slaughter my people in my people's space.
Claudia Osyn Minmatar Confederate Starkmanir Unification 1638	Posted - 2016.02.05 05:00:26 - [21] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: The State embraces the concept of charitable donation. What's the tax write off for that? Because at this point, I think she's not paying taxes anymore. A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Gosakumori Noh Hematology Advancement Program Of Questionable Repute 718	Posted - 2016.02.05 06:36:44 - [22] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: The State embraces the concept of charitable donation. What's the tax write off for that? Because at this point, I think she's not paying taxes anymore. I believe that under State tax law, one third of the fair market value of the charitable donation may be deducted from investment gains, so long as the gain is not converted into a loss and no more than half of the gain in any year is offset, carrying forward any unused fair market value for use against future investment gains, subject to the same limitations as the present year, up to five years from the year in which the charitable donation was realized. Per Valerie's remarkable treatise on surviving in the jungle, it is possible to sell the fair market value of your charitable donation to a third party at a discount on the expected deferment of investment gain, allowing the third party to realize the spread between the discount and the deduction - said spread being recognized as income in each year for which some of the acquired charitable donation is used to offset investment gains - subject to the same limitations which might apply should you choose to offset your own gains. Several Caldari mega-corporations provide charitable donation bundling services, allowing investors expecting to realize significant gains to acquire packages of charitable donations that might be used to reduce tax exposure. A few Caldari hedge managers offer charitable donation derivative indexes tied to the performance of investment companies that acquire packaged donations, permitting wealthy clients to either realize gains or loses on the portfolio in accordance with their tactical needs at the time of realization. However, I do not recommend doing business with Caldari hedge funds. Their profitability tends to be inflated by excessive fee structures and predatory advice given to selected clients.
Kalo Askold Sanguis Inceptum Of Questionable Repute 45	Posted - 2016.02.07 08:59:29 - [23] - Quote For pyre in the amarr warzone there was no determination, only out spending your enemies. Now you are in another warzone and failing with that same tactic. In short go jettison yourself.
Jev North Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 431	Posted - 2016.02.07 15:56:26 - [24] - Quote Ignoring the whole "ISK to win" idiocy -- my take-away from this is that our honored opponents were either too incompetent to make any ISK despite consistently being in reward tiers III-IV, or unwilling to spend any.
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 600	Posted - 2016.02.07 16:02:29 - [25] - Quote Honestly can't recall having faced off with Pyre flying anything particularly expensive. Normal T1 vessels with normal decent fits. I didn't face them often, but I mostly saw Kestrels, Ruptures, that sort of thing. Hardly particularly expensive.
Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1902	Posted - 2016.02.07 16:40:55 - [26] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: Honestly can't recall having faced off with Pyre flying anything particularly expensive. Normal T1 vessels with normal decent fits. I didn't face them often, but I mostly saw Kestrels, Ruptures, that sort of thing. Hardly particularly expensive. In fairness, there are a few really expensive things we did use. Not all the time, of course, and a lot of it was where they filled a unique role. Usually we didn't take those far from home. Too much obvious power on the field scares people away. That wasn't what we wanted.
Kalo Askold Sanguis Inceptum Of Questionable Repute 45	Posted - 2016.02.07 17:34:47 - [27] - Quote Jev North wrote: Ignoring the whole "ISK to win" idiocy -- my take-away from this is that our honored opponents were either too incompetent to make any ISK despite consistently being in reward tiers III-IV, or unwilling to spend any. Nope, we just started to bring griffins and your lot docked up and practiced your out of pod warfare.
Jev North Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 431	Posted - 2016.02.07 17:46:50 - [28] - Quote Kalo Askold wrote: Nope, we just started to bring griffins and your lot docked up and practiced your out of pod warfare- Bring Griffins where, exactly? I don't recall seeing your face anywhere near the Evati triangle in the last three months of our presence there. You weren't even among the mop-up crew come to take the systems once MinMil realized they were no longer being defended.
Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1902	Posted - 2016.02.07 18:03:30 - [29] - Quote Jev North wrote: Kalo Askold wrote: Nope, we just started to bring griffins and your lot docked up and practiced your out of pod warfare- Bring Griffins where, exactly? I don't recall seeing your face anywhere near the Evati triangle in the last three months of our presence there. You weren't even among the mop-up crew come to take the systems once MinMil realized they were no longer being defended. She did bring large forces out sometimes, I think, when she could get the numbers. Too many to engage, at least a couple of times, but they seemed to get bored pretty fast. They didn't actually do very much-- just a plex or two. I remember her being really noisy about it, though.
Kalo Askold Sanguis Inceptum Of Questionable Repute 45	Posted - 2016.02.07 18:06:31 - [30] - Quote Aria Jenneth wrote: Jev North wrote: Kalo Askold wrote: Nope, we just started to bring griffins and your lot docked up and practiced your out of pod warfare- Bring Griffins where, exactly? I don't recall seeing your face anywhere near the Evati triangle in the last three months of our presence there. You weren't even among the mop-up crew come to take the systems once MinMil realized they were no longer being defended. She did bring large forces out sometimes, I think, when she could get the numbers. Too many to engage, at least a couple of times, but they seemed to get bored pretty fast. They didn't actually do very much-- just a plex or two. I remember her being really noisy about it, though. Better places to be, bigger people to hit, no use killing a bunch of people when they have already submitted to their fate. Might as well go pick on the rancer folks next door.

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