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Reiisha
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Posted - 2007.01.31 05:59:00 -
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I think i'm finally getting convinced by the fact that Vista sucks. I'm an avid gamer, and after reading up on the ridiculous amount of processes that run on a Vista PC that you don't even need (and can't turn off), i won't be buying/installing Vista. But there are other reasons.
1. Vista will eventually require you to get new hardware, since the 'old' hardware (anything below a GeForce 7xxx/Radeon x1xxx for example) won't be able to pass Vista's 'protection' standards. In other words, you've being forced to buy hardware that some might not even use.
2. Vista will run a lot of processes that, by the looks of it, can't be turned off. Which results on drastically decreased performance in all areas. Vista actually requires a lot of resources to insure that nothing happens - Yes, you read that right!
3. Microsoft has gone nuts and has turned a reasonably stable and adjustable OS into a monstrosity that can only be used to play media that don't even exist yet, and even then it runs catastrophically bad.
By buying Vista you will support these things. I don't know about you, but everything can run fine on Windows XP, and there has yet to be a single piece of (useful) programming that *needs* Vista to run. Even CCP still provides a Windows XP version of the new graphics engine, so to speak, so there is no real incentive to upgrade anyway, if you can even call it upgrading.
So, what i'm asking of anyone who reads this is to pass on the word. To everyone, your family, your company, your friends, to simply ignore Vista. Have them ask for XP to be installed on new PC's instead of Vista, if they have to buy ready made PC's. And if you can't do that, help them buy a decent home-built PC that suits their needs.
Just get MS to change Vista to how it should be and have them remove all this nonsense from what could be a good OS. Only way to get them to do that is to simply make Vista a fiasco. They won't try to push a product on people if it won't make money, after all.
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2007.01.31 06:08:00 -
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 Originally by: Alundiel
Well ya.... but what about DX10 its darned useful and requires vista
That's the point. Is it worth it having a game look good, but having an OS that requires you to buy stuff that limits what you can play? It will randomly restart your PC if it finds stuff that it doesn't like, and by the way it's programmed, that will happen a lot.
Imagine playing Crysis with 15 crashes per hour because the voltage in the graphics card went up by 0.001 for 20ms. Well, i guess Vista is worth it, right?
You can wait with DX10. There has been not a SINGLE screenshot or video of it yet. The FS10 screenshot was an artist impression, and EVERYTHING you've seen from Crysis is DX9.
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2007.01.31 06:09:00 -
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Originally by: Tribunal
Of course it's going to have problems for a while, it's brand new software.
That's not the actual problem. The problem is that Microsoft INTENDED those problems. Tehy won;t fix them. They aren't bugs. It's intended to do all those things.
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2007.01.31 06:13:00 -
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Originally by: Alundiel
Edited by: Alundiel on 31/01/2007 06:07:49
Well I am running Windows XP X64 and my 7800s are dying and i didnt see any drivers for x64 for the new 8800gtx I got
Why would the voltage thing matter anyhow? I overclock way more than that and my cpu still is fine
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Intended? wat the *censored*.... why would they intend for it to crash more than ME?
Because they are worried that Hollywood companies will not be happy if a couple of people watch their movies on a copied DVD. That's *all* it's for. Vista requires more than double of XP's system requirements because of just this, copy protection.
Imagine the protection system StarForce as an operating system, and then you know what Vista is like.
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2007.01.31 06:18:00 -
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Add to this that Vista only allows you to change your hardware a few times before you have to buy a new license. If your motherboard fries, you have to buy Vista again aswell... How stupid is that?
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2007.01.31 08:24:00 -
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Microsoft is after the money mostly, that's no secret. I think they made a balance of what the media industry paid them and how much customers they'd lose and factor that in in the costs. Apparently they think they've been paid more to make Vista into a glorified, bugged DVD player than making it an actual OS. "Zeal" is the word that comes to mind, really.
The fact remains, MS botched it with this one. I wanted to give it a chance, i wanted to see DX10 in all it's glory. But really, the bad parts outweigh the only, slightly good part (after all, you need new hardware to use DX10 in the first place, and every game that's comming out for DX10 also has DX9 functionality).
I think this kind of stuff is what made the Vanguard devs go to Sony - Imagine Vanguard to be only playable on Vista. The problems the OS causes by far outweigh the bad reputation SOE has imho.
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Posted - 2007.01.31 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
I have heard all the horror stories.
I have read a lot of articles.
I have weighed the pros and cons.
I will be installing Vista.
Why? Because whether or not it is buggy and whatnot right now is a moot issue. that's microsoft. I'm running on XP right now, and that's had some horrific bugs in it in its time.
Vista has a bunch of features I'm interested in and look forward to using. It has compatabilities I find interesting and meed the requirements for. IT will support DX10, and as a prospective designer of videogames myself this is an ESPECIALLY important point for me.
It won't be perfect. Nothing ever will. Still, that does not mean we should not move forward.
I'm not saying to never upgrade. I'm saying to not upgrade untill we get the option to turn off the stuff we don't want or need.
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Posted - 2007.01.31 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Weebear
Originally by: Reiisha
Add to this that Vista only allows you to change your hardware a few times before you have to buy a new license. If your motherboard fries, you have to buy Vista again aswell... How stupid is that?
Surely it will just be the same as XP where you will need to activate by telephone if the hardware changes too many times, and not that you need to buy a new license?
You don't have to do that in XP. My PC has gone through about 3 pc's worth of hardware by now, i haven't been bothered by this for a single time, even though i never actually reinstalled the OS.
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Posted - 2007.02.03 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Armored
DirectX 10 is going to be fantastic with the new Eve to be released (this version will be known as Eve Classic).
EVE Classic is the DX9 version, which will run on XP etc. This is the version you've seen all those screenshots from.
EVE Vista is the Vista version (duh), of which only artist impressions are available atm (I think there's a single Vexor shot, and it wasn't even real time).
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