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Avvy
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Posted - 2016.02.09 21:13:21 -
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Droidster wrote:Pay to win FTL.
I made a suggestion to the new ideas forum suggesting how to use skill extractor ranges to avoid the need for the SP loss you describe and allow for a 1:1 trade.
That was before I found out that extractors were not player-made, but were being sold by the company for money ("aurum"), in other words pay-to-win.
There is no scenario in which this can be "fixed". The 1:1 issue is really a non-issue if you consider that the whole thing is a pay-to-win scheme, so the SP shrinkage does not really matter. The shrinkage is going to come off of alts, farmed alts in many cases, so the effect of this is to just inflate the SP of players who pay money to the game company: ie pay-to-win, a very bad thing.
The loss of skill points is irrelevant.
Someone creates and injector for sale using 500k sp, someone else buys it and injects 400k or less.
The lose doesn't matter, the seller has removed 500k, but the buyer gets whatever they get.
Don't think of it just as sp, consider it more as isk.
The lose is irrelevant because the seller knows what they are using (500k) and the buyer knows what they are getting (sp in terms of isk). |
Avvy
Republic University
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Posted - 2016.02.10 17:02:25 -
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pajedas wrote:Cidanel Afuran wrote:I'm 99% sure you're just trolling at this point. No, I'm very serious. We the people are losing value and CCP is charging us for it. Change it to 1:1 and everything will be well with the World.
The only way you will lose is if you are transferring from one of your characters to another of your characters. Which isn't really their main purpose, more like a side effect of the new system. |
Avvy
Republic University
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Posted - 2016.02.11 02:47:23 -
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pajedas wrote:Gauis Aldent wrote:What they are saying is, if you decide to inject more SP in your head through these new highly accelerated methods, that there is a diminishing return involved. You can't just inject and inject and inject and expect it to keep working like it did the first time. There is a reason normal skill training is slow. Using the same technical basis for your argument, explain why "on the first injection" a 10m SP player will get 1:1 but a 60m SP player will get 3:5.
I started injecting at 12.5+ million sp, at a rate of 400k per injector.
21 injectors later and the sp lost from the game was 2.1 million sp.
Do I care? No, because I knew what I was purchasing.
The only possible reason you would care is if you are trying to transfer between your characters. Then the lost sp would be from your own pool of sp. But even then you know if you are going to transfer it you will lose some, so if you're worried about losing it don't transfer it. |
Avvy
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.02.12 16:39:28 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Lina Sovereign wrote:I think it's just turning the game into a Pay2Win MMO with subscription. So if I have more SP I will always defeat you? It is pay to win but its been paytowin since plex n character buying were allowed. if you have more SP likely will beat youre opponent yeah. all other variables being equal. comparisons based on wild inequalities are useless. thats why comparisons are almost always done with only the variable in question being inequal. Jeff n Joe both sign to EvE, they skill up until they can both fly a Tristan. Joe buys a years worth of skill points and trains all engineering, electronics, weps to 5. Jeffs about to get his ass kicked. Joe paid to win. Pretty simple. the only time this is not true is with already trained chars with Tristen related skills maxed.
Doesn't sound like p2w to me.
You can accumulate sp by just login on and adding it to your skill queue, which means it isn't something that gives you an advantage that you can only get by paying cash for it (subscriptions don't count as technically everyone has to do that one way or another). |
Avvy
Republic University
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Posted - 2016.02.12 23:28:34 -
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pajedas wrote:
I'm asking people to look at the "big picture".
Seems like a lot of us don't see the same big picture that you do.
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Avvy
Republic University
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Posted - 2016.02.12 23:50:14 -
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pajedas wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:The big picture is that is that lossless on-demand skill point remapping would be bad for the game. How could I have forgotten that the forum trolls know everything?
I don't think many are trolling you, it's just that you are so sure that the big picture is how you see it, you just won't except any other version. |
Avvy
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.02.13 16:34:39 -
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pajedas wrote:Lan Wang wrote:then dont do it? Did you even read what you quoted? I said that I was done, having used 3 extractors and re-injecting them. Look at the overall impact (long term) on the Eve community. You can go troll somewhere else as you obviously have nothing to add here.
The sp that is lost wasn't required by the characters that trained them, therefore lost sp doesn't matter. |
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