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Maxtor Killer Mentally Unstable Enterprises Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 19:33:00 - [31] Tbh i dont care what he used to aquire the information but rather what ccp will do with it. If RKK feels violated and they can prove that the forum was "hacked" then they should report it to the proper authority. But from what ive read someone with access to the forums sql database gave him the entire database and he did not hack it rather social enginered the information from a inside source. [ 2007.01.31 19:08:27 ] (combat) Kugutsumen Spy skills places an excellent hit on Dev's [CCP] (bob), inflicting hopefully several ban damage.
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.01.31 19:54:00 - [32] Edited by: mazzilliu on 31/01/2007 19:51:10 THE reason kugutsumen revealed his employers name was posted publically on his forums Originally by: "kugutsumen" I am not finished with Lallante... He screwed me and paid only 800M out of 2.5B I have a priceless confession from him which is going to end up here if he doesn't pay me 5B more. (post continues...) at least i think thats his reasoning... GIVE ME BACK MY EXCLAMATION MARK PORTRAIT :( :( :( :( :( :(
El Covah Die Diener Melkors	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:02:00 - [33] Edited by: El Covah on 31/01/2007 20:03:06 What this Kugutustumununmen (or however he is spelled) is doing is just plain sick. Edit: I just read his "famous blog" and this way of crossing the border between RL and game with threatening somebody IRL because of this game and telling it everbody on his private website is IMO a bannable offence. Why is he still ingame, and only his char has been renamed? New sig coming soon
Kam SingDu'k Singularity.	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:05:00 - [34] I agree what the hacker dude is doing is wrong and illegal?. However, what he has uncovered (assuming you believe it), is a bit of a **** storm doncha think? Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Taiatia (mods@ccpgames)
Maxtor Killer Mentally Unstable Enterprises Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:15:00 - [35] Why should he be banned for doing out of game stuff ??? That's like asking ccp to ban people for drunk driving!. If they were hacked they should report it to the police for a proper investigation as it really is a crime. [ 2007.01.31 19:08:27 ] (combat) Kugutsumen Spy skills places an excellent hit on Dev's [CCP] (bob), inflicting hopefully several ban damage.
Maxtor Killer Mentally Unstable Enterprises Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:15:00 - [36] Why should he be banned for doing out of game stuff ??? That's like asking ccp to ban people for drunk driving!. If they were hacked they should report it to the police for a proper investigation as it really is a crime. [ 2007.01.31 19:08:27 ] (combat) Kugutsumen Spy skills places an excellent hit on Dev's [CCP] (bob), inflicting hopefully several ban damage.
Shyalud Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:37:00 - [37] Originally by: Chowdown Originally by: The Mittani I had your little system offlined and your hangars raped and your alliance annihilated /after/ we were hacked by AnthonyZ, not before. Little coalitions, little systems, is someone trying to appear big? was just thinking the exact same thing. Originally by: Jules The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.
SOH'CAH'TOA Amarr Robber Barons Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:06:00 - [38] Originally by: Shyalud Originally by: Chowdown Originally by: The Mittani I had your little system offlined and your hangars raped and your alliance annihilated /after/ we were hacked by AnthonyZ, not before. Little coalitions, little systems, is someone trying to appear big? was just thinking the exact same thing. qft big, is something redswarm definitely is not.
III LightBringer Death by Drones	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:47:00 - [39] BOB themselves used spys and got information from ASCN boards, and they're leaders said anything is legal in war. I disagreed then.. IMO that is breach of copyright. Anything written, is copyrighted. I got a LONG!! lecture from some intellectual lawyer in BOB saying that I was an idiot.. (got PM's still .. somewhere) Hopefully , the bans will rain... not that it mathers, as the people involved have multiple accounts.
III LightBringer Death by Drones	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:47:00 - [40] BOB themselves used spys and got information from ASCN boards, and they're leaders said anything is legal in war. I disagreed then.. IMO that is breach of copyright. Anything written, is copyrighted. I got a LONG!! lecture from some intellectual lawyer in BOB saying that I was an idiot.. (got PM's still .. somewhere) Hopefully , the bans will rain... not that it mathers, as the people involved have multiple accounts.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.01 00:05:00 - [41] Originally by: III LightBringer BOB themselves used spys and got information from ASCN boards, and they're leaders said anything is legal in war. I disagreed then.. IMO that is breach of copyright. Anything written, is copyrighted. I got a LONG!! lecture from some intellectual lawyer in BOB saying that I was an idiot.. (got PM's still .. somewhere) Hopefully , the bans will rain... not that it mathers, as the people involved have multiple accounts. They said anything legal and within game mechanic's, not exploit etc.
Valekrin Ziemisra	Posted - 2007.02.01 00:18:00 - [42] Manipulating the enemies TS server isnt withing the game mechanics, you guys made your bed now sleep in it.
Admiral Feelgood Even-Flow	Posted - 2007.02.01 00:40:00 - [43] Originally by: SOH'CAH'TOA qft big, is something redswarm definitely is not. It's much bigger than LV alone. Just GoonFleet almost has more than all of LV, and GoonSwarm by itself has more. Also they seem to hold a large amount of regions. Please define big for me because this seems to fit the bill pretty well.
SOH'CAH'TOA Amarr Robber Barons Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.01 01:00:00 - [44] Originally by: Admiral Feelgood Originally by: SOH'CAH'TOA qft big, is something redswarm definitely is not. It's much bigger than LV alone. Just GoonFleet almost has more than all of LV, and GoonSwarm by itself has more. Also they seem to hold a large amount of regions. Please define big for me because this seems to fit the bill pretty well. okok you caught me there, i was being sarcastic.
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2007.02.01 01:15:00 - [45] Originally by: Maxtor Killer Why should he be banned for doing out of game stuff ??? That's like asking ccp to ban people for drunk driving!. If they were hacked they should report it to the police for a proper investigation as it really is a crime. you live under the misconception that the service ccp provides for your money grants you any rights to base yourself on. If you read the eula carefully, ccp has the right to ban or delete your account without further notice or explination. Why someone who brings illegal activities into the community should be banned is kinda obvious. If you cant see that just go with the explination that ccp will do alot to protect their community from dying because some ppl cant be reached by legal methods. If enough customers get miffed off or eve gets the news of criminals beating up your homecomps/sites sticked to it, its bad for business. Bad for business is bad for profit and bad for profit is bad for ccp. All of the above only applies if they actually took steps and ppl just didnt fk up the nametyping. Cba to check myself.
Anonymous Coward Gallente Panopticon Citadel	Posted - 2007.02.01 02:55:00 - [46] Originally by: Kcel Chim Why someone who brings illegal activities into the community should be banned is kinda obvious. If you cant see that just go with the explination that ccp will do alot to protect their community from dying because some ppl cant be reached by legal methods. If enough customers get miffed off or eve gets the news of criminals beating up your homecomps/sites sticked to it, its bad for business. Bad for business is bad for profit and bad for profit is bad for ccp. How many times do people have to say the word "pretexting" before it starts sinking in here?
Sentinel Eeex Caldari Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.02.01 07:35:00 - [47] Originally by: Traxio Nacho I think anyone who pays Kugustmen to get info for them should be banned from Eve too as they are knowingly paying someone to use out of game and iilegal methods. I think anyone who buys characters for real cash should be banned. Everyone who receives inside information from CCP employees should be banned too. CCP employees who give out inside information need to be banned too. People who make deals with known eBay-ers should be banned too. Etc, etc. At the end of the day, how do you know what he's using to obtain that information? BoB said they never used anything 'illegal' (rofl) to access ASCN teamspeak/forums/etc. Hell, maybe someone gave Kugutsumen database dump? Or someone gave him username/password combination? Yeah, playing devil's advocate a bit... I was first to ask the mods to lock Kugutsumen's topics when he started revealing inside info (first from ASCN, then from BoB). BoB info got removed from eve-o forums, ASCN info remained. It might even still be here, I just can't bother checking anymore (it was still here 2 weeks ago). At the end of the day, many forums have "Welcome..." heading. That reminds me of a case where guy broke into a VAX system, got charged, then judge threw the case out because "Welcome to VAX/VMS Vx.x" banner was interpreted in court to be 'inviting' people to access the system (or something along those lines - it was looong time ago). So there you go, forums should have "Welcome..." heading removed. Yeah, I'm being a **** :D
IntegralHellsing Gallente The Raven Warriors	Posted - 2007.02.01 08:09:00 - [48] Originally by: Bazman I just bought a large roll of tinfoil for this thread can i have some spare please? ps. maybe it's a diversion tactic! it's bob who did it! let's all blame bob! ------------------------------
Christopher Scott Caldari Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.01 11:17:00 - [49] Edited by: Christopher Scott on 01/02/2007 11:14:05 Originally by: Sentinel Eeex I was first to ask the mods to lock Kugutsumen's topics when he started revealing inside info (first from ASCN, then from BoB). BoB info got removed from eve-o forums, ASCN info remained. It might even still be here, I just can't bother checking anymore (it was still here 2 weeks ago). This part is my favorite. Originally by: DB Preacher I may be a muppet on these forums and wind peeps up massively but what is going on here is waaaaay over the edge of reasonable morality.
Maxtor Killer Mentally Unstable Enterprises Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.01 12:06:00 - [50] Originally by: Kcel Chim Originally by: Maxtor Killer Why should he be banned for doing out of game stuff ??? That's like asking ccp to ban people for drunk driving!. If they were hacked they should report it to the police for a proper investigation as it really is a crime. you live under the misconception that the service ccp provides for your money grants you any rights to base yourself on. If you read the eula carefully, ccp has the right to ban or delete your account without further notice or explination. Why someone who brings illegal activities into the community should be banned is kinda obvious. If you cant see that just go with the explination that ccp will do alot to protect their community from dying because some ppl cant be reached by legal methods. If enough customers get miffed off or eve gets the news of criminals beating up your homecomps/sites sticked to it, its bad for business. Bad for business is bad for profit and bad for profit is bad for ccp. All of the above only applies if they actually took steps and ppl just didnt fk up the nametyping. Cba to check myself. Sure they have the right todo whatever they want within the game, but banning people on "loose" evidence is for me more irritating then macro miners. If the RKK forums was "hacked" then it's not upto ccp to ban people rather that the person owning the forum and website site should report it to the police, as i stated before that is a criminal act. On the other hand kugu states that he got the database from a guy with access to it hence he did not do anything illegal rather being as smart. We will probably never know unless it gets reported to the police so a proper investigation could be launched. And from the findings of the police ccp should be able to make a desicion about banning or not. Cause ill tell u this if they ban kugu that's just gonna send out the wrong signals. Like dont **** with bob cause there word is law in eve. i personally dont trust either side in this case but BOTH parties should get the same respect until someone can prove otherwise. Snip - removed. Please email [email protected] with your sig for a reason why. - hutch
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.01 12:20:00 - [51] I think the real question here is: How much tinfoil do I need to tank chow's avatar?
Xendie Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.02.01 12:27:00 - [52] the really funny thing is that with BOB claiming he hacked their forums to get the info first and then claiming it is a fabrication next. by claiming he hacked BOB's forums you in a way has validated that his intel is accurate and correct. and the bob camp has once again petitioned him so they had to change kugutsumens name so check out his site for info about that also. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent? Quote: jake sisko > its f-e's bob dev alt making lag
Sunder Tseng Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.01 20:37:00 - [53] I'd just like to use this opportunity to say, again, that hacking is no more illegal than the pretexting that nearly every spy, scoundrel, and corp theif in this game uses to infiltrate a corporation. ---- it is a tale/Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,/Signifying nothing.
Tarkan Kador Amarr PanTarkan Kador Holdings	Posted - 2007.02.01 20:47:00 - [54] Lock this thread. Keeping it open, when the Kieron thread remains locked, just tells me that the allegations of favoritism are true. Please resize your signature picture to be no more than 24000 bytes, 400x120 pixels. - Devil ([email protected])
Sigmorhair Gallente Eisenmetal	Posted - 2007.02.01 21:04:00 - [55] Originally by: Tarkan Kador Lock this thread. Keeping it open, when the Kieron thread remains locked, just tells me that the allegations of favoritism are true. Was there ever any doubt? I am fairly sure thing thing is going to be blown off like the LV mothership thing.
Swift Wind Caldari 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.01 21:23:00 - [56] Edited by: Swift Wind on 01/02/2007 21:21:30 My question is this; If said forum/blog/TS is a OOG resource for an alliance/corp, how is it fair to call it ''off limits'' to ''attack''. Please understand my meaning of ''attack'' here. I am not condoneing anything illegal, but is infiltrating or paying an insider for a DB dump, any more unethical than ''in-game'' methods? Are these resources not extensions of the game? As the owner of a simmilar forum, I expect it. Just like I expect spies in game. Just my 2 cents... Quote: Fix drones too. YouÆve replaced the petulant two-year old with an emo-teen.
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2007.02.01 21:33:00 - [57] Originally by: Maxtor Killer Sure they have the right todo whatever they want within the game, but banning people on "loose" evidence is for me more irritating then macro miners. If the RKK forums was "hacked" then it's not upto ccp to ban people rather that the person owning the forum and website site should report it to the police, as i stated before that it is a criminal act. On the other hand kugu states that he got the database from a guy with access to it hence he did not do anything illegal rather being as smart. We will probably never know unless it gets reported to the police so a proper investigation could be launched. And from the findings of the police ccp should be able to make a desicion about banning or not. Cause ill tell u this if they ban kugu that's just gonna send out the wrong signals. Like dont **** with bob cause there word is law in eve. i personally dont trust either side in this case but BOTH parties should get the same respect until someone can prove otherwise. Sorry but you internet lawyer thinking wont work. Unless serious rl cash damage is done no police will investigate, especially not if the hacker is sitting in a "3rd world country" (atleast law wise compared to european and us standards). So no police will ever launch an investigation or come to a result which can be presented to ccp. The question however remains if ccp should ban players which destroy the gaming experinence by dubious rl means, especially if there is a greyzone where right or wrong cant be covered by law. As for the rest of your babbeling about "banning ppl who work against bob" im sorry to inform you but other entities have stated to very same accusations against said person. Those groups are not in any way or form allied to bob or wish them well ingame either. Take your tinfoil hattery elsewhere, i know i would most likely quit -a game- if ppl started to intrude my computer, my privacy or my webspace beyond the avatar level just to maybe find something they could sell for isk to ppl who dont give a damn about the source of their information aslong as its muddy and sticking to your opponents. Last but not least dont forget that no "they did it first" or "they did something i personally feel equally wrong" makes anything this dude does right. Tell yourself that its all legit aslong as he sticks it to your opponents but ask yourself how long it will take till your own stuff is out.
KHan 01	Posted - 2007.02.01 21:48:00 - [58] intel hacking has been going on a long time in eve, AnthonyZ was not the 1st one to do it. I think the real question that needs to be are if all of BOB t2 bpos were all legally obtained.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.01 21:58:00 - [59] I love this witch hunt lol but now Tentacle Seduction has shown his hand the question remains whose hand is bigger. If Tentacle wins BoB becomes discredited as the x-men (in the animated series (x men evolution) the mutants at the school were told to keep their powers secret but eventually every one found out and all mutants were discriminated against and viewed as cheaters in sporting events for example if the allegations are true the same will happen to bob as every one will say you did x because you had Y)) Half Assed Rhymage
Maxtor Killer Mentally Unstable Enterprises Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.01 22:16:00 - [60] Originally by: Kcel Chim Originally by: Maxtor Killer Sure they have the right todo whatever they want within the game, but banning people on "loose" evidence is for me more irritating then macro miners. If the RKK forums was "hacked" then it's not upto ccp to ban people rather that the person owning the forum and website site should report it to the police, as i stated before that it is a criminal act. On the other hand kugu states that he got the database from a guy with access to it hence he did not do anything illegal rather being as smart. We will probably never know unless it gets reported to the police so a proper investigation could be launched. And from the findings of the police ccp should be able to make a desicion about banning or not. Cause ill tell u this if they ban kugu that's just gonna send out the wrong signals. Like dont **** with bob cause there word is law in eve. i personally dont trust either side in this case but BOTH parties should get the same respect until someone can prove otherwise. Sorry but you internet lawyer thinking wont work. Unless serious rl cash damage is done no police will investigate, especially not if the hacker is sitting in a "3rd world country" (atleast law wise compared to european and us standards). So no police will ever launch an investigation or come to a result which can be presented to ccp. The question however remains if ccp should ban players which destroy the gaming experinence by dubious rl means, especially if there is a greyzone where right or wrong cant be covered by law. As for the rest of your babbeling about "banning ppl who work against bob" im sorry to inform you but other entities have stated to very same accusations against said person. Those groups are not in any way or form allied to bob or wish them well ingame either. Take your tinfoil hattery elsewhere, i know i would most likely quit -a game- if ppl started to intrude my computer, my privacy or my webspace beyond the avatar level just to maybe find something they could sell for isk to ppl who dont give a damn about the source of their information aslong as its muddy and sticking to your opponents. Last but not least dont forget that no "they did it first" or "they did something i personally feel equally wrong" makes anything this dude does right. Tell yourself that its all legit aslong as he sticks it to your opponents but ask yourself how long it will take till your own stuff is out. Yes im a internet lawyer thanks for you saving us from the rest of the pack. And im starting to wonder if you have read anything or just pulling stuff out of a hat ? NO one has invaded ANYONE's computer, someone that maintained the forum made a copy of the forum and gave to kugu guy. now im having a hard time to find the illegal act in that, but u have probably all ready sided with the RKK explonation. Banning people who work with bob ? now where did u grasp that ?? Ban anyone that has been involved in this from ebay'ing to gaining ingame information not to be spread to player base. Seeing as they choose to use the infromation to there benefit and did not report this to CCP. And ive never been a fan of calling people dumb or telling them to put on tinfoil hats. Just seems abit childish, trying to make some valid arguments and you just spew out personal attacks. side note is that RKK no longer saying that they were hacked rather that he made it up. Snip - removed. Please email [email protected] with your sig for a reason why. - hutch

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