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Zissou
5 November
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Posted - 2007.01.31 21:07:00 -
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It's not that T2 manufacturers make too much profit, it's just that everyone else doesn't make as much as them. You can never make too much profit.
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Nev Clavain
Wise Guys
Rogue Method Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.31 21:15:00 -
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Edited by: Nev Clavain on 31/01/2007 21:12:53
Edited by: Nev Clavain on 31/01/2007 21:11:28
 Originally by: Carter Burke
Oh, and as for risk, blow me. I spent ages putting time into getting research points - you think that wasn't a risk, you idiot? I risked getting nothing for all my trouble.
Lol wow the rest of your post was so bitter i'm going to ignore it.
So for this point - yes what a huge risk setting up a research alt and giving your agent 300 trit every day to maximise your RP. But guess what even if you do absolutely nothingapart from the few days training it takes to set up a research alt, there are people who get very valuable bpos this way. Usually those people don't act so rude trying to defned just how hard things are for them. They know they've got it easy.
Then on a constant stream of totally risk free money. Nothin else in EVE works like this. Your BPO should not be totally safe. Someone bigger and stronger and better organised than you, with the right information should have a chance to come and take it away from you. But hey, if there is no one bigger and stronger or clever enough to get your bpo, then you get to keep it.
The OP's last two suggestions are pretty dumb, but the first two have some merit. You should try and not be so rude to people when defending your cushy little existence. It makes it look like you know very well how borked the system is, and the only way you have to defend your position is to be nasty to people.
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Jacque Custeau
Knights of the Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2007.01.31 21:38:00 -
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Muninn sales have been slow lately, and not making that much money any more. In fact I have been making more money from some t1 items I made lately (no its not rigs and no I'm not telling)
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Liquid Vision
Caldari
Liquid Research
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Posted - 2007.01.31 21:45:00 -
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OP needs to change his title from T2 Producers to. . .BOB is getting too much money.
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Cur
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.01.31 22:02:00 -
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I believe this thread was created as a semi-joke in response to the mission runner hate thread.
"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women." |
EPSILON DELTA
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Posted - 2007.01.31 22:03:00 -
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To OP: you are mission runner
mission runners could make a billion a week for 2 hours a day, and that's not with maxed skill and just t2/named modules, compare that with t2 bpo, most of them makes you 100mil a week, and you still need to fly around to collect the materials.
I think missioning is better.
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Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive
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Posted - 2007.01.31 22:05:00 -
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Basically, CCP should just hand out the same stuff to everyone and once it's gone, it's gone. 
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
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Cerwyn Taraman
Minmatar
Phoenix Tech Industries
Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2007.01.31 22:47:00 -
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LOL at OP. I do believe this is a light-hearted jab at all the attacks on mission runners isk being too easy for low-risk and that all mission runners should move out to 0.0 or low-sec. I thought it was pretty funny :-)
Still, I like buying T2 items so keep making 'em, even if i'm insanely broke from buyin' 'em.
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Cerwyn Taraman
Minmatar
Phoenix Tech Industries
Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2007.01.31 22:47:00 -
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LOL at OP. I do believe this is a light-hearted jab at all the attacks on mission runners isk being too easy for low-risk and that all mission runners should move out to 0.0 or low-sec. I thought it was pretty funny :-)
Still, I like buying T2 items so keep making 'em, even if i'm insanely broke from buyin' 'em.
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Shichiro Motokana
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.31 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ingols
I'm a mission runner, I'm starting a new bastid child to whip.
T2 manufacturers make too much isk for low or little risk.
To solve this, I suggest the following.
- T2 BPO can only be researched and manufactured and used in 0.0 space.
- They must be physically present in a POS station or conquerable station.
- They can't be copied. T2 BPO must be at risk of capture/destruction at all times.
- T2 ships and components can only be bought and sold or traded or escrowed in low 0.0 systems.
So they make too much, and the solution is to make these modules even harder to get and thus lower the supply. Any thoughts on what a lower supply will do for the price of those modules? Just curious.
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Shichiro Motokana
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.31 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ingols
I'm a mission runner, I'm starting a new bastid child to whip.
T2 manufacturers make too much isk for low or little risk.
To solve this, I suggest the following.
- T2 BPO can only be researched and manufactured and used in 0.0 space.
- They must be physically present in a POS station or conquerable station.
- They can't be copied. T2 BPO must be at risk of capture/destruction at all times.
- T2 ships and components can only be bought and sold or traded or escrowed in low 0.0 systems.
So they make too much, and the solution is to make these modules even harder to get and thus lower the supply. Any thoughts on what a lower supply will do for the price of those modules? Just curious.
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Kara Kaprica
Minmatar
Warspite Developments
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Posted - 2007.01.31 23:16:00 -
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make datecaores for invention avalible to purchase from the research companies for Isk, at a price that has risk, but also a good profit margin if it is sucsesful.
Invention fixed.
Yay
Always Outnumbered. Never Outgunned.
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Nanobotter Mk2
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Posted - 2007.01.31 23:38:00 -
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"I produce Eos command ships. I make about 250M per week on them (I can only produce 5.25 units per week with PE 1 on my print, and I pull about 45M profit on each unit. And that's when some nimrod hasn't plunked twenty units at 80M each in my usual markets.
Oh, and as for risk, blow me. I spent ages putting time into getting research points - you think that wasn't a risk, you idiot? I risked getting nothing for all my trouble. "
Ya and that takes you how long to put together the build oder or 5 units? 1 hour?
your risk is far lower getting those research points than the mission runners does what is your point?
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hotgirl933
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Posted - 2007.01.31 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2
"I produce Eos command ships. I make about 250M per week on them (I can only produce 5.25 units per week with PE 1 on my print, and I pull about 45M profit on each unit. And that's when some nimrod hasn't plunked twenty units at 80M each in my usual markets.
Oh, and as for risk, blow me. I spent ages putting time into getting research points - you think that wasn't a risk, you idiot? I risked getting nothing for all my trouble. "
Ya and that takes you how long to put together the build oder or 5 units? 1 hour?
your risk is far lower getting those research points than the mission runners does what is your point?
if youre being undercut simply buy em out and keep raising the price
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.02.01 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: Nev Clavain
Edited by: Nev Clavain on 31/01/2007 21:12:53
Edited by: Nev Clavain on 31/01/2007 21:11:28
Originally by: Carter Burke
Oh, and as for risk, blow me. I spent ages putting time into getting research points - you think that wasn't a risk, you idiot? I risked getting nothing for all my trouble.
Lol wow the rest of your post was so bitter i'm going to ignore it.
So for this point - yes what a huge risk setting up a research alt and giving your agent 300 trit every day to maximise your RP. But guess what even if you do absolutely nothingapart from the few days training it takes to set up a research alt, there are people who get very valuable bpos this way. Usually those people don't act so rude trying to defned just how hard things are for them. They know they've got it easy.
Then on a constant stream of totally risk free money. Nothin else in EVE works like this. Your BPO should not be totally safe. Someone bigger and stronger and better organised than you, with the right information should have a chance to come and take it away from you. But hey, if there is no one bigger and stronger or clever enough to get your bpo, then you get to keep it.
The OP's last two suggestions are pretty dumb, but the first two have some merit. You should try and not be so rude to people when defending your cushy little existence. It makes it look like you know very well how borked the system is, and the only way you have to defend your position is to be nasty to people.
Whant to know?
Time neeeded to create a research alt: 2 months to get to 4 agent and the skill for the 5, but not jet the standing in the right corp.
Getting about 200 RP a day (plus missions dones, and those pay in RP, not isk).
Another 22 days of training for mechanical engineering 5 and 45 for research management 5 (but those will wait).
So it is an investment, and not a little one. With no guarantee of return as it is possible to get nothig or a a BPO with little worth.
If you want to try to get a T2 BPO, do the same.
Some items are overpriced, thanks to demand and chartel operations, but saying that it is possible to get BPO with little work is wrong.
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GeekWarrior
Gallente
e X i l e
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Posted - 2007.02.01 00:25:00 -
[46]
Well that one made me chuckle. Thanks
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DuckM4n Vo
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Posted - 2007.02.01 01:54:00 -
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stop buying t2 ships then
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Caios
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.02.01 02:15:00 -
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it's really sad how many people who posted here didn't look at some other threads floating around and/or have no sense of irony or sarcasm.
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Grash Freedom
Gallente
MAZA Solutions
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Posted - 2007.02.01 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ingols
I'm a mission runner, I'm starting a new bastid child to whip.
T2 manufacturers make too much isk for low or little risk.
To solve this, I suggest the following.
- T2 BPO can only be researched and manufactured and used in 0.0 space.
- They must be physically present in a POS station or conquerable station.
- They can't be copied. T2 BPO must be at risk of capture/destruction at all times.
- T2 ships and components can only be bought and sold or traded or escrowed in low 0.0 systems.
Whats your risk when you make money? Shooting white bring lights into red crosses? click a button and wait till the big flash?
Missions runners make way to much money nowdays, you are the reason tech2 prices go up
You make isks out of the blue, you offer nothing to the eve community other to inflate the market with more isks, more isk power for more people= increased demand = increased prices
What is my risk you wanna know? let me tell you something mate, i gathered isks the way you do, once i had enough i invested on a tech2 bpo, i took a risk i could have lost all my isk cause of that, the risk was and still is great
I might spent 50 bils on a print today, and tomorrow CCP mifht decide to nerf the ship/module/whatever i am producing!
What can they nerf to affect you way of making isks? make your Raven or whatever ship you fly suck? no big deal you will train for another one 8 days and you are ready again
Most of tech 2 bpo holders invest on 1 years profit, your caracal bpo producing 24/7 can make more in a month than your initial investement
I wonder why CCP made it so easy to make isks from missions!
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Topaz Skydiver
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Posted - 2007.02.01 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: Nev Clavain
Make it so T2 BPOs have to be produced from POS and outposts, and are subsequently lootable and/or destructable. If they are looted they change hands, if destroyed they get re-seeded.
In my mind that would fix the T2 lottery, because with enough research, planning and force, you can go and take someone's bpo from them, or at least deprive them of it.
Yes, and finally each BPO is in the hand of some mega alliance or coalition. Did I say that I have enough of this '5000-man, we pwn the world' blobbage ? (At least for now ... ) 
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Caios
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.02.01 03:30:00 -
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Edited by: Caios on 01/02/2007 03:28:35
and STILL people don't seem to realize this is a spoof thread.
y'all are a bit too protective of your cash cows, if something like this arouses such a ridiculous response.
and btw, mission runners don't contribute to tech II inflation anymore than anyone else who flies ships do. they're the ones more likely to have "just good enough" named modules or investment-level faction gear than straight tech II.
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Caios
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.02.01 03:30:00 -
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Edited by: Caios on 01/02/2007 03:28:35
and STILL people don't seem to realize this is a spoof thread.
y'all are a bit too protective of your cash cows, if something like this arouses such a ridiculous response.
and btw, mission runners don't contribute to tech II inflation anymore than anyone else who flies ships do. they're the ones more likely to have "just good enough" named modules or investment-level faction gear than straight tech II.
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Gamer4liff
Caldari
Metalworks
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Posted - 2007.02.01 03:52:00 -
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Edited by: Gamer4liff on 01/02/2007 03:54:15
Oh come on I hardly make 10-15m a day off of mine a day. Only some give a large amount of isk.
T2 kernite crystals anybody?
Quote:
- T2 BPO can only be researched and manufactured and used in 0.0 space.
Hahahahahah
Hahah
Hahhaha
Ha
ha...
Wait were you being serious?
Edit: oh I get it this is a parody thread. 
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Oro Masut
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.02.01 07:34:00 -
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Edited by: Oro Masut on 01/02/2007 07:31:35
Since i don't own any BPO, i would be very interested in lowest possbile market price. However all of your suggestions would only increase the price of the items and make it even harder to get them.
If something is too expensive, there is a simple solution --- don't buy it ! Pretty easy huh !?
I could run the stuff i do in a T1 fitting, T2 speeds things up but i don't need it to run a Lv 4 Mission.
As an example, CRIIs, having them allows me to free a med slot or a low slot (remove CPR), thus i am willing to pay up to 10 mio for a module. Were they more expensive, i would stick with the T1 stuff i grind up.
As a drone user, i love T2 drones, however i totally gave up on using Hammerhead IIs. They die to easy, and at 2,5 Mio a piece, it is not worth using them. The Hammerhead Is kill fast enough, and it doesn't really matter if i have to tank the adds for 20 seconds more.
WCS gimps your fighting abilty. Make your choice BEFORE you undock. Do not complain about a lost ship ever, if you fit for running and go fighting with it |
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