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vickers	Posted - 2007.01.31 18:49:00 - [1] Ok so we have the whole bob scandle whith there dervs giving eachother bpo's and jobs then we have the fact that ccp *****s down hard on isk sales but promotes the use of game time cards to buy isk in game ! well my question is this how can we continue to trust and pay a company that condones this kind of behavior ?
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.31 18:50:00 - [2] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 31/01/2007 18:47:20 Originally by: vickers WHY SHUD WE TRUST CCP? BECUZ WEE LIEK EVE. Sorry, just had to do that -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Lyzander Caldari Mugen Academy	Posted - 2007.01.31 18:51:00 - [3] Originally by: vickers Ok so we have the whole bob scandle whith there dervs giving eachother bpo's and jobs then we have the fact that ccp *****s down hard on isk sales but promotes the use of game time cards to buy isk in game ! well my question is this how can we continue to trust and pay a company that condones this kind of behavior ? Be a good little troll and go back under your bridge.
Siri Blue Gallente Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division	Posted - 2007.01.31 18:52:00 - [4] While I normally hate such statements....here it is... If you can't stand it anymore...go and find a better game
The Pointless Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.31 18:53:00 - [5] With GTC sales the real-world cash goes to CCP (well, most of it), allowing them to continue paying the bills and expand EVE, whereas with Ebay, the money goes to unknown things. Like terrorism. ------------------------------------------------- I'd rather be a jack of all trades than a master of one.
Atreides Horza Soar Angelic	Posted - 2007.01.31 18:55:00 - [6] Originally by: vickers Ok so we have the whole bob scandle whith there dervs giving eachother bpo's and jobs then we have the fact that ccp *****s down hard on isk sales but promotes the use of game time cards to buy isk in game ! well my question is this how can we continue to trust and pay a company that condones this kind of behavior ? DooD... Your village called. They want their idiot back...
jam6549 Amarr Iron Hammer Academy	Posted - 2007.01.31 18:55:00 - [7] Originally by: The Pointless With GTC sales the real-world cash goes to CCP (well, most of it), allowing them to continue paying the bills and expand EVE, whereas with Ebay, the money goes to unknown things. Like terrorism. i love how everything gets linked to terrorism. "piracy funds terrorist organisations" yeh... Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes - Devil ([email protected])
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 18:55:00 - [8] Originally by: vickers Ok so we have the whole bob scandle whith there dervs giving eachother bpo's and jobs then we have the fact that ccp ***s down hard on isk sales but promotes the use of game time cards to buy isk in game ! well my question is this how can we continue to trust and pay a company that condones this kind of behavior ? http://texasholdemblogger.wordpress.com/files/2006/07/tinfoil.jpg *
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.01.31 18:55:00 - [9] Ensure the fit of your hat does not restrict blood flow. ------------------- Ignorance
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.01.31 18:56:00 - [10] Originally by: Stitcher http://texasholdemblogger.wordpress.com/files/2006/07/tinfoil.jpg What are the odds... Well with Google images, pretty darn good probably. ------------------- Ignorance
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.31 18:57:00 - [11] Originally by: Roy Batty68 Originally by: Stitcher http://texasholdemblogger.wordpress.com/files/2006/07/tinfoil.jpg What are the odds... Well with Google images, pretty darn good probably. Oh so true -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Darkrogue Standard Operations Building Services Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.01.31 18:58:00 - [12] OMFG!!!?!!!! DEVS HAVE ALL DA BPO'S! I just find it funny that everyone thinks the devs give each other advantages such as Tech II BPO's, and messes with the game to make "BOB w1n". You would think if the Devs wanted to cheat they would just insert a trillion ISK into their accounts. Or the Devs play legit because they enjoy playing the game. WHAT A THOUGHT!
Dhalia Dal	Posted - 2007.01.31 18:58:00 - [13] Don't like? Don't Pay. It really is your choice, whether or not your addicted little mind allows you to see it or not, is a topic for another discussion.
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 18:59:00 - [14] Great minds think alike, Huh Shikari? ***
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.31 19:00:00 - [15] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 31/01/2007 18:57:11 Originally by: Stitcher Great minds think alike, Huh Shikari? I would say great google searches return similar results -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
CrestoftheStars Deviance Inc	Posted - 2007.01.31 19:02:00 - [16] we can't... but hey that is how the online game world work... as long as you shut up it will be fine... well never the less i got my first forum warning for posting an "aggresive" post.. i can get banned for that... but scamming and smacktalking, corp stealing and gatechamping, etc. that is fine go right ahead.. lol gotta love the priority's of ccp :P hehe (better watch out or this post will get me banned.) lol ___________________________________________ come on.. stop thinking about YOU. and start thinking about All of us... how do we get a more fun and enjoyable game for all of us.
The Pointless Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.31 19:03:00 - [17] Edited by: The Pointless on 31/01/2007 19:01:58 Edited by: The Pointless on 31/01/2007 19:00:30 Originally by: jam6549 Originally by: The Pointless With GTC sales the real-world cash goes to CCP (well, most of it), allowing them to continue paying the bills and expand EVE, whereas with Ebay, the money goes to unknown things. Like terrorism. i love how everything gets linked to terrorism. "piracy funds terrorist organisations" yeh... Well, a fat bloke raking in cash that isn't his to send his brats to Private School isn't exactly exciting now, is it? ------------------------------------------------- I'd rather be a jack of all trades than a master of one.
prsr Gallente JuBa Corp	Posted - 2007.01.31 19:05:00 - [18] Originally by: vickers well my question is this how can we continue to trust and pay a company that condones this kind of behavior ? Yes, off with their heads I say! ... Seriously, what kind of behaviour are you talking about and where did you see CCP condone said behaviour? -- .sig apathy ftw
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.01.31 19:06:00 - [19] Originally by: Lyzander Originally by: vickers Ok so we have the whole bob scandle whith there dervs giving eachother bpo's and jobs then we have the fact that ccp ***s down hard on isk sales but promotes the use of game time cards to buy isk in game ! well my question is this how can we continue to trust and pay a company that condones this kind of behavior ? Be a good little troll and go back under your bridge. Originally by:** Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
Mondo Banana Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.31 19:07:00 - [20] I'M IN UR BASE... oh never mind!
Static Shift Neogen Industries Serenity Fallen	Posted - 2007.01.31 19:09:00 - [21] Originally by: Siri Blue While I normally hate such statements....here it is... If you can't stand it anymore...go and find a better game Correction: If you can't stand it anymore, go find ANOTHER game....there is none better.
BoBoZoBo Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.31 19:12:00 - [22] Where in the EULA does it say WE NEED to trust THEM... or THEY NEED US to trust THEM. Sure its better for eveyone trust is involved, but need?... ========================= Minister of Propaganda - Operator 9
Kazender Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.31 19:15:00 - [23] Originally by: The Pointless With GTC sales the real-world cash goes to CCP (well, most of it), allowing them to continue paying the bills and expand EVE, whereas with Ebay, the money goes to unknown things. Like terrorism. AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA ------------------------------------------------ The purpose of life: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, hear the lamentation of their women.
WredStorm Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2007.01.31 19:18:00 - [24] Originally by: Stitcher Great minds think alike, Huh Shikari? You do know the counter to that one, don't you? Great minds think alike... and fools seldom differ. Wred PS: That isn't meant to be an insult, I just like the retort to your original line. :)
Marquis Dean Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.01.31 19:19:00 - [25] Oh vickers you always were a tool. When you hit your 15th birthday, go ask a parent about getting a paper round. ------ ------ Originally by: Crag Heyder I'm not talking FPS here, it's SPF.
lighthand Minmatar eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.01.31 19:21:00 - [26] i used to think eve was different than most other games, that the people involved worked hard to make somehting different and enjoyable. i played with that idealism for over 2 years but now thatis all but gone. i see a game enviroment where gms, devs and moderators put the ingame factions above their responsability to maintain a fair game, i see a eve that is being punished for the failings of eve china, i see a change in the marketing through introductions to the game to gear the playerbase in another direction i see people who have worked hard to play a good game pushed aside to make way for the more immediate issues regardless of their efforts. i and many people i know are fed up with it, i used to believe that eve was better than the rest ( elitest i know but justifed so i used to think) remember whatever ends up on these forums ro elseware will only ever be the top of the iceberg. to freinds long gone and to those leaving soon, you bore this information far to long with the hope of things changing, may you find a better place once more ---------------------------- Second star to the right and straight on till morning.... Ceo - eXceed Inc
Ather Ialeas Amarr Karjala Inc. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.31 19:23:00 - [27] To answer the OP: Vote with your wallet (the real one). Works every time. --- Mandatory disclaimer: These are my thoughts, not my corps/alliances. ---
Torem	Posted - 2007.02.01 09:12:00 - [28] Originally by: vickers Ok so we have the whole bob scandle whith there dervs giving eachother bpo's and jobs then we have the fact that ccp *****s down hard on isk sales but promotes the use of game time cards to buy isk in game ! well my question is this how can we continue to trust and pay a company that condones this kind of behavior ? Because they can spell. If you go to the effort of writing an inane post, at least take the time to spell check it.
Masochistic Cannibal Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.02.01 09:14:00 - [29] You dont have to, you can quit at any time. I eat babies ! [Hauling services available~ Contact ingame]
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.02.01 09:17:00 - [30] this game really isnt that bad - try the dodgy stuff that goes on with WOW
Riho Red Wrath Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.02.01 09:22:00 - [31] Originally by: vickers Ok so we have the whole bob scandle whith there dervs giving eachother bpo's and jobs then we have the fact that ccp *****s down hard on isk sales but promotes the use of game time cards to buy isk in game ! well my question is this how can we continue to trust and pay a company that condones this kind of behavior ? i get the ISK to GTC part but wtf are u babling about in the rest of the damn post.... readd what u write first and then post .... Great being Gallente... aint it ?
DarkFenix Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.01 09:22:00 - [32] Originally by: vickers Ok so we have the whole bob scandle whith there dervs giving eachother bpo's and jobs then we have the fact that ccp *****s down hard on isk sales but promotes the use of game time cards to buy isk in game ! well my question is this how can we continue to trust and pay a company that condones this kind of behavior ? Yup, cretinous post of the week goes to vickers.
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.02.01 09:32:00 - [33] something regarding d2 and goonswarn has spilled over into a whole lot of rabble it seems - stories being made up that arent real and its getting outta hand
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.01 09:46:00 - [34] Originally by: Riho Originally by: vickers Ok so we have the whole bob scandle whith there dervs giving eachother bpo's and jobs then we have the fact that ccp *****s down hard on isk sales but promotes the use of game time cards to buy isk in game ! well my question is this how can we continue to trust and pay a company that condones this kind of behavior ? i get the ISK to GTC part but wtf are u babling about in the rest of the damn post.... readd what u write first and then post .... There is a 24 page thread in the Corporations and Alliances section about what he is talking about. Or you could try looking at www.slashdot.org for it.
Irrilian Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.02.01 10:03:00 - [35] Its a perfectly reasonable question. Thanks to human nature the proverbial does hit the fan occasionally, though you'd hope that there would have already been policies and a measure of internal oversight to try to prevent it. That the integrity of the game has been rocked is severely concerning, but what is more significant is how CCP go about handling this situation, whether there is a transparent investigation and attempt to rectify what wrongs may or may not have been committed (because do remember that however serious they are just allegations), or whether its just swept under the carpet. I feel that its in the best interests of us all that CCP's staff an volunteers play the game, however its not unreasonable to expect that such trust is not squandered. - - - PIs and Forensic Accountants: adding risk vs reward for scams and thievery
Willo Vasquez Gallente Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2007.02.01 10:03:00 - [36] Originally by: vickers Ok so we have the whole bob scandle whith there dervs giving eachother bpo's and jobs then we have the fact that ccp *****s down hard on isk sales but promotes the use of game time cards to buy isk in game ! well my question is this how can we continue to trust and pay a company that condones this kind of behavior ? Couple of questions. 1) What's a scandle, and what does Derv diesel fuel have to do with Eve? 2) What BoB scandal? 3) Got any proof and evidence to back any of this up? Couple of answers. 1) Because they can spell. 2) Because they can use correct punctuation. 3) Because you have failed to provide any evidence to show that CCP shouldn't be trusted. If you don't trust them, don't play.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.01 10:11:00 - [37] Originally by: Willo Vasquez Originally by: vickers Ok so we have the whole bob scandle whith there dervs giving eachother bpo's and jobs then we have the fact that ccp *****s down hard on isk sales but promotes the use of game time cards to buy isk in game ! well my question is this how can we continue to trust and pay a company that condones this kind of behavior ? Couple of questions. 1) What's a scandle, and what does Derv diesel fuel have to do with Eve? 2) What BoB scandal? 3) Got any proof and evidence to back any of this up? Couple of answers. 1) Because they can spell. 2) Because they can use correct punctuation. 3) Because you have failed to provide any evidence to show that CCP shouldn't be trusted. If you don't trust them, don't play. I was reading the original thread about that posted by a goon and i saw absolutely nothing scandulous in it at all, in fact there was 2 or 3 other post's by people saying ' and the punchline is....' etc. I think ccp do a good job all in all, considering the workload they must recieve i say give them a break ( emote cashes bribe money from ccp at bank ) . Seriously dude , the so called proof was extremely weak and was some dude talking about that he got a new job
Wotar	Posted - 2007.02.01 10:11:00 - [38] These parodies get better and better - the topic title is inspired!
MrTriggerHappy Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.02.01 10:17:00 - [39] /me sells tin foil hats The Image hoster removed my siggy.. it'll be back on the weekend!! My Comments in no way reflect my corp or alliance
Edania Caldari Ordo Adeptus Astartes	Posted - 2007.02.01 10:32:00 - [40] what utter tripe, if i were TomB or any of the others you know what id be doing, trying to bring down judicious pain on the other devs for office bragging rights either solo or in a small group. This cannot be acomplished by being in the same alliance as every other dev in some grand conspiracy. killing other people is fun sure but it doesnt beat imagining the face of your co-worker as you kick his ass and burn his T2 ship from stem to stern. to the op you live in a fantasy world if you think "the Devs" are a telytubbyesque community of utopian bliss out to get everyone else because where's the fun? Quote: my Clone was excelent, i just had too many skillpoints
Riho Red Wrath Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.02.01 10:33:00 - [41] Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: Riho Originally by: vickers Ok so we have the whole bob scandle whith there dervs giving eachother bpo's and jobs then we have the fact that ccp *****s down hard on isk sales but promotes the use of game time cards to buy isk in game ! well my question is this how can we continue to trust and pay a company that condones this kind of behavior ? i get the ISK to GTC part but wtf are u babling about in the rest of the damn post.... readd what u write first and then post .... There is a 24 page thread in the Corporations and Alliances section about what he is talking about. Or you could try looking at www.slashdot.org for it. ill have a look then :D Great being Gallente... aint it ?
GankYou	Posted - 2007.02.01 10:33:00 - [42] Originally by: MrTriggerHappy /me sells tin foil hats No need, all involved parties will get their perms. Watch this space closely and give it time, a lot of info is being looked through, but it's fairly obvious. Ishos is taking control of our capital fleet - he will control and coordinate all capital ship movements and monitor your skill training to see and confirm when you are ready to fl 101 Reykjavik
Coasterbrian Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.02.01 10:35:00 - [43] Maybe we should trust them because....... they can spell?
Christopher Scott Caldari Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.01 10:35:00 - [44] Originally by: vickers Ok so we have the whole bob scandle whith there dervs giving eachother bpo's and jobs then we have the fact that ccp ***s down hard on isk sales but promotes the use of game time cards to buy isk in game ! well my question is this how can we continue to trust and pay a company that condones this kind of behavior ? Why do you take such a serious topic at hand, which invokes a CCP internal investigation, and then use such horrible spelling and grammer to make it look like a joke? This smells a little fishy to me. Then again, my tinfoil hat was used to wrap up some cooked tilapia. Wierd.. Originally by:** DB Preacher I may be a muppet on these forums and wind peeps up massively but what is going on here is waaaaay over the edge of reasonable morality.
GankYou	Posted - 2007.02.01 10:39:00 - [45] Edited by: GankYou on 01/02/2007 10:36:07 Originally by: Christopher Scott Originally by: vickers Ok so we have the whole bob scandle whith there dervs giving eachother bpo's and jobs then we have the fact that ccp *****s down hard on isk sales but promotes the use of game time cards to buy isk in game ! well my question is this how can we continue to trust and pay a company that condones this kind of behavior ? Why do you take such a serious topic at hand, which invokes a CCP internal investigation, and then use such horrible spelling and grammer to make it look like a joke? This smells a little fishy to me. Then again, my tinfoil hat was used to wrap up some cooked tilapia. Wierd.. This campaing will have more accounts banned than that which lead to bannage of tens of RA ebaying accounts. Ishos is taking control of our capital fleet - he will control and coordinate all capital ship movements and monitor your skill training to see and confirm when you are ready to fl 101 Reykjavik
Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.01 10:56:00 - [46] Originally by: The Pointless whereas with Ebay, the money goes to unknown things. Like terrorism. I once had a sig...it deleted
Infinity Ziona Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.01 11:01:00 - [47] Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 01/02/2007 11:03:49 Originally by: vickers Ok so we have the whole bob scandle whith there dervs giving eachother bpo's and jobs then we have the fact that ccp ***s down hard on isk sales but promotes the use of game time cards to buy isk in game ! well my question is this how can we continue to trust and pay a company that condones this kind of behavior ? The answer is You should never trust a games company period. Trust should be reserved for very close friends and your lawyer... err hold on... just close friends and family.. maybe.. Originally by:** The Pointless whereas with Ebay, the money goes to unknown things. Like terrorism. No need to worry about Ebay and terrorism cause when we try to stop terrorism, we still got terrorists here livin'; In the USA, the big CIA; the Bloods and The Crips and the **... The Privateering Life*
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.01 13:02:00 - [48] Originally by: Christopher Scott Edited by: Christopher Scott on 01/02/2007 10:36:30 Edited by: Christopher Scott on 01/02/2007 10:34:56 Originally by: vickers Ok so we have the whole bob scandle whith there dervs giving eachother bpo's and jobs then we have the fact that ccp *****s down hard on isk sales but promotes the use of game time cards to buy isk in game ! well my question is this how can we continue to trust and pay a company that condones this kind of behavior ? Why do you take such a serious topic at hand, which invokes a CCP internal investigation, and then use such horrible spelling and grammer to make it look like a joke? This smells a little fishy to me. Then again, my tinfoil hat was used to wrap up some cooked tilapia. Wierd.. Oh, for those who are interested in the CCP investigation regarding developer misconduct, read here: Kieron's official announcement regarding the investigation And read very carefully here: The leaked scandal makes slashdot.org Both links are within rules of CCP, so I better not see any renegade CRC censorship. [/tinfoil hat] 24 pages of thread in 24 hours, and lamenting that they don't get reply fast enough too. Asking for the result of an investigation in 24 hours is not asking for truth, it is only a witch hunt. Next time ask for whip and hot coals for a faster reply. BTW: what is visible on the blog seem common enough, a person signaling to a friend a job opening in his company, and doing a favorable character report about him. Maybe worth a reprimand as not professional, but hardly uncommon.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.01 13:16:00 - [49] Edited by: Plutoinum on 01/02/2007 13:22:02 I'm reading the kugutsumen blog now, I admit some stuff is quite interesting, expecially the political stuff (if it's all true.) But well, not really shocking stuff about CCP, BoB or tech-2 BPOs. In case the story is true, it says nothing more that one of the CCP employees, from whom we know that they play EVE, was member of a BoB corp and gave his tech-2 BPOs to the corp to produce them. Then some alt petioned him and he was forced to leave the BoB to avoid rumours and negative publicity. It says nothing about cheating. The bpos that are mentioned are not bad, but also not uber. It were not many and some of them were ammo, if I remember it right, so not very uncommon BPOs. I see really no evidence that there was something shady going on. We know CCP employees play the game. They are likely to use R&D agents like anyone else. They earn isk. And it's not very uncommon that someone lends his BPOs to his corp for production. Where is the scandal ? The only negative thing is maybe, that the guy had to leave his corp, if he did nothing wrong. ( One of my ex corp mates has won several tech-2 bpos himself in the lottery, is no ccp employee and has joined a bob corp. Big deal. If he was ccp employee, then what ? If they play the game then some of them will surely play in some big alliances. Ok, if Oveur was Molle, then I would be shocked, too. ) ______________ Originally by: Patch86 Combat in EVE is non-consensual. Unlike most games, EVE, by design, forces you to be ready for violence everywhere-even hi-sec space.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.01 13:16:00 - [50] Edited by: Plutoinum on 01/02/2007 13:22:02 I'm reading the kugutsumen blog now, I admit some stuff is quite interesting, expecially the political stuff (if it's all true.) But well, not really shocking stuff about CCP, BoB or tech-2 BPOs. In case the story is true, it says nothing more that one of the CCP employees, from whom we know that they play EVE, was member of a BoB corp and gave his tech-2 BPOs to the corp to produce them. Then some alt petioned him and he was forced to leave the BoB to avoid rumours and negative publicity. It says nothing about cheating. The bpos that are mentioned are not bad, but also not uber. It were not many and some of them were ammo, if I remember it right, so not very uncommon BPOs. I see really no evidence that there was something shady going on. We know CCP employees play the game. They are likely to use R&D agents like anyone else. They earn isk. And it's not very uncommon that someone lends his BPOs to his corp for production. Where is the scandal ? The only negative thing is maybe, that the guy had to leave his corp, if he did nothing wrong. ( One of my ex corp mates has won several tech-2 bpos himself in the lottery, is no ccp employee and has joined a bob corp. Big deal. If he was ccp employee, then what ? If they play the game then some of them will surely play in some big alliances. Ok, if Oveur was Molle, then I would be shocked, too. ) ______________ Originally by: Patch86 Combat in EVE is non-consensual. Unlike most games, EVE, by design, forces you to be ready for violence everywhere-even hi-sec space.
Shu'val	Posted - 2007.02.01 13:45:00 - [51] Originally by: vickers Ok so we have the whole bob scandle whith there dervs giving eachother bpo's and jobs then we have the fact that ccp *****s down hard on isk sales but promotes the use of game time cards to buy isk in game ! well my question is this how can we continue to trust and pay a company that condones this kind of behavior ? It's pure speculation atm, as for CCP playing the game...hell yes. If they don;t play the game, they wont find the bugs, wont understand truly what's going on in the universe. I think they should be forced to salvage, get involved in science, manu and all the other bits that could do with a bit of improvement
Amiable Quinn Minmatar Lasleinur Production Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.02.01 13:49:00 - [52] Well if you read through the evidence at the offending website the problem is there were no fewer than 5 devs in BoB. In addition we are not talking about 1 or 2 T2 BPO's here, we are talking about a dozen. In addition the dev in quesiton was the head of logisitics for BoB's capital fleet. Also note that neither CCP nor BoB is denying that the content of this website is untrue. Most likely because, even though obtained nefariously, the logs are most likely accurate. I'm sorry but even if CCP's investigation shows there was no malfeasance this stinks to high heaven. If BoB were smart they would be spearheading the request for transparency, because it really is their name on the line (or look forward to years of "what does it matter? you are the dev alliance, so your victories mean nothing because you cheat" posts). This is not tempest in a teapot. Nothing, and I mean nothing angers players more than devs cheating. If CCP is not forthcoming about thisit will be big black eye for them and will result in reduced subscriptions.
GankYou	Posted - 2007.02.01 13:58:00 - [53] Originally by: Amiable Quinn Well if you read through the evidence at the offending website the problem is there were no fewer than 5 devs in BoB. In addition we are not talking about 1 or 2 T2 BPO's here, we are talking about a dozen. In addition the dev in quesiton was the head of logisitics for BoB's capital fleet. Also note that neither CCP nor BoB is denying that the content of this website is untrue. Most likely because, even though obtained nefariously, the logs are most likely accurate. I'm sorry but even if CCP's investigation shows there was no malfeasance this stinks to high heaven. If BoB were smart they would be spearheading the request for transparency, because it really is their name on the line (or look forward to years of "what does it matter? you are the dev alliance, so your victories mean nothing because you cheat" posts). This is not tempest in a teapot. Nothing, and I mean nothing angers players more than devs cheating. If CCP is not forthcoming about thisit will be big black eye for them and will result in reduced subscriptions. Correct indeed. Also the Devs in question are mere opportunists, not serior devs aka TomB, Kieron etc. Once they saw that hit is going to hit the fan they removed their characters from said corps (you know what I mean). I have faith in Kieron & co. investigating this matter, a lot of good info being send their way, that can be confirmed through logs and such on the CCP side. Expect some accounts' bannage for violating the EULA \o/ Ishos is taking control of our capital fleet - he will control and coordinate all capital ship movements and monitor your skill training to see and confirm when you are ready to fl 101 Reykjavik
Zillazuki Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.01 14:10:00 - [54] Edited by: Zillazuki on 01/02/2007 14:07:46 Well Vickers, kinda see what you're saying except for the GTC thing...I think we can trust CCP to fix the other scandal you refer to.
Krulla Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.01 14:14:00 - [55] Originally by: The Pointless With GTC sales the real-world cash goes to CCP (well, most of it), allowing them to continue paying the bills and expand EVE, whereas with Ebay, the money goes to unknown things. Like terrorism. IF YOU BUY ISK OFF EBAY, THE TERRORISTS WIN! Sigs are for noobs.
DarkFenix Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.01 14:22:00 - [56] Ok, well ignore the fact that I'm in BoB for a moment, I've just joined them and certainly wasn't around when the alleged scandalous events took place. Whos 'evidence' can actually be believed? On the one side we have the accuser who is known to be a hacker, and iirc gets isk out of providing this 'intel'. That most certainly brings into doubt the trustworthiness of anything he says. One the other hand, we have CCP and BoB. Nobody trusts (or likes) BoB, many because BoB are top dog at the moment (nobody likes the front runner in anything) and many because BoB are widely reputed to use any and all means to win. So of course nobody trusts any statement issued by BoB. So who can you trust? CCP? Several people have stated that even if CCP find nothing wrong, they won't believe it. Sounds to me like people don't care that CCP are investigating the matter, they've already decided that BoB/CCP/whoever are guilty as charged. Amiable, you say you want CCP to be forthcoming. Judging by your post what you mean is "I want CCP to admit guilt and fire the devs involved", regardless of what actually happened. Perhaps you didn't mean that, but that's how it comes across. I personally will wait and see what CCP find. I don't think anything will be found tbh. Yes, I'm biased, but the accusations sound largely too far-fetched to be true. I really doubt you can just make BPOs and stuff appear out of nowhere without people (other devs etc.) noticing.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.01 14:23:00 - [57] Edited by: Plutoinum on 01/02/2007 14:21:48 Edited by: Plutoinum on 01/02/2007 14:21:25 Originally by: Amiable Quinn Well if you read through the evidence at the offending website the problem is there were no fewer than 5 devs in BoB. In addition we are not talking about 1 or 2 T2 BPO's here, we are talking about a dozen. Those were mentioned: Flameburst Precision Light Missile Blueprint Phalanx Rage Rocket Blueprint Havoc Fury Heavy Missile Blueprint Spike L Blueprint Quake L Blueprint Barrage L Blueprint Malediction Blueprint Sabre Blueprint Ok, 8 BPOs, 6x times ammo. Got one ammo bpo myself for 6000RP right after I started with R&D and think mine is probably better. Dunno how much you make with those ships, surely I'd like to have those BPOs, but they are not really the dream ship BPOs everyone names first. Imho most likely that those BPOs have been obtained in a regular way, either won or bought from another player like per auction. ______________ Originally by: Patch86 Combat in EVE is non-consensual. Unlike most games, EVE, by design, forces you to be ready for violence everywhere-even hi-sec space.
GankYou	Posted - 2007.02.01 14:25:00 - [58] Originally by: DarkFenix Ok, well ignore the fact that I'm in BoB for a moment, I've just joined them and certainly wasn't around when the alleged scandalous events took place. Whos 'evidence' can actually be believed? On the one side we have the accuser who is known to be a hacker, and iirc gets isk out of providing this 'intel'. That most certainly brings into doubt the trustworthiness of anything he says. One the other hand, we have CCP and BoB. Nobody trusts (or likes) BoB, many because BoB are top dog at the moment (nobody likes the front runner in anything) and many because BoB are widely reputed to use any and all means to win. So of course nobody trusts any statement issued by BoB. So who can you trust? CCP? Several people have stated that even if CCP find nothing wrong, they won't believe it. Sounds to me like people don't care that CCP are investigating the matter, they've already decided that BoB/CCP/whoever are guilty as charged. Amiable, you say you want CCP to be forthcoming. Judging by your post what you mean is "I want CCP to admit guilt and fire the devs involved", regardless of what actually happened. Perhaps you didn't mean that, but that's how it comes across. I personally will wait and see what CCP find. I don't think anything will be found tbh. Yes, I'm biased, but the accusations sound largely too far-fetched to be true. I really doubt you can just make BPOs and stuff appear out of nowhere without people (other devs etc.) noticing. You are a mere puppet, you know ****, except for internal market hac prices and current orders. Wait and see. Ishos is taking control of our capital fleet - he will control and coordinate all capital ship movements and monitor your skill training to see and confirm when you are ready to fl 101 Reykjavik
Gee'Kin Tha Specialz	Posted - 2007.02.01 14:28:00 - [59] Originally by: Torem Originally by: vickers Ok so we have the whole bob scandle whith there dervs giving eachother bpo's and jobs then we have the fact that ccp *****s down hard on isk sales but promotes the use of game time cards to buy isk in game ! well my question is this how can we continue to trust and pay a company that condones this kind of behavior ? Because they can spell. If you go to the effort of writing an inane post, at least take the time to spell check it. --------------------------------------------> Plz tickle my brain. I wanna have a Brainfart ! -------------------------------------------->
Itoz Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.01 14:28:00 - [60] Originally by: vickers Ok so we have the whole bob scandle whith there dervs giving eachother bpo's and jobs then we have the fact that ccp *****s down hard on isk sales but promotes the use of game time cards to buy isk in game ! well my question is this how can we continue to trust and pay a company that condones this kind of behavior ? Because they can spell?
Amiable Quinn Minmatar Lasleinur Production Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.02.01 14:37:00 - [61] Originally by: DarkFenix So who can you trust? CCP? Several people have stated that even if CCP find nothing wrong, they won't believe it. Sounds to me like people don't care that CCP are investigating the matter, they've already decided that BoB/CCP/whoever are guilty as charged. Amiable, you say you want CCP to be forthcoming. Judging by your post what you mean is "I want CCP to admit guilt and fire the devs involved", regardless of what actually happened. Perhaps you didn't mean that, but that's how it comes across. As I previously outlined in the original thread, I want CCP to answer, or promise to answer (I understand it may take time) the following quesitons: Devs need to tell us: 1. What the rules are for Dev accounts. - Can they own T2 BPO's? - Can they be fleet commanders in large alliances? - Are they allowed to have multiple accounts? - Do they participate in any espionage? 2. How are Dev accounts monitored to insure they are not gaining unfair advantage? 3. How are Dev accounts punished if malfeasance is discovered? Are players re-imbursed for losses against Dev accounts? 4. How are suspicious incidents handled? Eg. A few weeks before cargo container blueprints are upgraded an alt account mysteriously decides try to buy as many of those blueprints as possible. That is what I mean about accountability. I will be honest I belive that it would be best if devs did not play in large PvP alliances because even if they do nothing wrong, the appearance of inpropriety taints themsleves and the alliance they are a member of, but that is their call.
Hamshoe	Posted - 2007.02.01 14:48:00 - [62] Edited by: Hamshoe on 01/02/2007 14:44:46 I really need to stop reading crap like this. There is no happiness to be found here. It's like finding out that Santa Claus is real, and a child molestor. Kicked in the head by a horse, what's your excuse?
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.01 14:54:00 - [63] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 01/02/2007 14:52:12 Originally by: The Pointless With GTC sales the real-world cash goes to CCP (well, most of it), allowing them to continue paying the bills and expand EVE, whereas with Ebay, the money goes to unknown things. Like terrorism. Rofl, let me guess, you're from the US? ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Dave White Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.02.01 14:56:00 - [64] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 31/01/2007 18:47:20 Originally by: vickers WHY SHUD WE TRUST CCP? BECUZ WEE LIEK EVE. Sorry, just had to do that qft!11 EvE +NLINE - T+TALHELLDEATH SUPPORTER
UGWidowmaker Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.01 14:59:00 - [65] because people get more than 1 t2 bpo if they now a dev ? I will make your wife/mann a widow.
Iyanah Minmatar Mining Munitions and Mayhem	Posted - 2007.02.01 15:05:00 - [66] Originally by: vickers WHY SHUD WE TRUST CCP? because they can spell "Should" and can type without the use of caps lock (and remember kids, real men hold SHIFT). and quite frankly, why should we distrust them? because they make this game? because they're pretty intelligent people? because they know the ins-and-outs of this game? or becaus ethey have spiffy jove ships? you should see some of the crap we pulled when i was working for another MMORPG. never gave our main characters any advantage, but running about one-punch killing the hardest monsters in the game whilst unarmed (yeah, no frikkin' lasers for US) just because we COULD and generally flaunting our powers like i've never ever heard of a dev in EvE doing. ========================================== Iy

Petwraith Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.02.01 15:58:00 - [67] This matter is under investigation. Please follow the suggestion here and be patient in waiting for an official response. If it ain't orange, it ain't offical! If it aint red it ain't important. - Hutch


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