but rest assured that their old names will live on in special descriptions for the modules.

This is the complete opposite of what I was hoping with TPs.

RIP TPs.
Thinking this is intentional to make MGCs more viable.
Really should have gone another direction with TPs..

i think the 90km falloff and 36km optimal is excessive here, especially as the main motivation is power creep so people use them over webs, kind of suggests webs need a nerf ( especially recon range bonuses).

Hello everyone!
We're planning a huge set of module tiericide in our March release and this thread will serve as the feedback location for changes to Target Painters.

This is a class of modules that I've been especially nervous about touching for a fairly unusual reason: names.

Well... "Go Golem". Combined with the new hull resists the Golem got a nice buff. I like the new optimal and falloff values for Faction TPs. Not a fan of the Domination TP losing its edge, however. And I'm still less than thrilled about the stealth BCS nerf.

Yet you renamed the "phased weapon navigation array generation extron" which was the best one.

But in its essence very nice changes once again. Fozzie you've been doing well lately (alongside the rest of your team). It is almost making up for the terrible skill trading.

Well.. Having flown the Golem for quite a while now, I don't think this TP effects it at all.

Sure, TPs would likely perform better for torps, but if you're using torps on a Golem, you're doing it wrong.
With cruise missiles, you can hit for over 1k dps using fury, with basically no range limitation, as well as having more application to start.

The best you can do with Torps is around 80km range, and that's if you give up on application.
Not to mention, you're outside of optimal for TPs at that range.

On my Golem, I use 3x MGC with precision scripts, 4 x BCU T2, and a t2 damage rig.
With 5% implants cruise missiles and rapid fire, I hit 1015 dps, and 1056 if i use 3x Caldari BCU and 1 t2.

Yes, a torp Golem can pull out over 1250 DPS, but that is limited to 45 km or so, and has crap application..
Javelin torps only have 850 dps, and can only reach 106km, and that's with 3 MGCs using range, as well as t2 range rigs, which means you have no application. You'd get around 80km to get good application.
Not to mention, torps are quite a high fitting cost, leaving fitting capability quite limited.

Basically, the only time a TP out performs MGCs is when your targets are within 50km, which might be good, but this limits you on engagement range. MGCs allow you to engage at any range with no problem.

The whole point of this is to say, regardless of whether your ship is even bonused to TPs, that bonus is negated by the range limitations.
The only time that I would suggest taking a TP over a MGC, even on a TP bonused hull, is when you're in a fleet.

Is reserved justy so nobody gets first?

I am happy that the names will stay.

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Any chance for target painters to also get the decreasing effectiveness over fallof rather than current dice roll mechanic, like it's being done to Sensor Dampeners and done to neuts/nos?

Any chance for target painters to also get the decreasing effectiveness over fallof rather than current dice roll mechanic, like it's being done to Sensor Dampeners and done to neuts/nos?

Could we have the targeting range of the Bellicose looked at?, these buffs are meaningless if the ship can't make full use of the new ranges, should be more on par with the Celestis and the Blackbird. Also look into the implants related to these, saving 5% capacitor use on painters is literally worthless at the cost of approximately 150,000,000 isk.

This is a class of modules that I've been especially nervous about touching for a fairly unusual reason: names. Their current names are one of my favorite old EVE easter eggs, and I know many of you share that opinion. We do plan to change the names of the modules to more closely match other "named" modules in the new system, but rest assured that their old names will live on in special descriptions for the modules.