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A Research Alt Perkone Caldari State 156	Posted - 2016.02.12 03:27:35 - [1] - Quote this game would be balanced better if CCP just toggled off pvp in highsec as it is you can dodge wardecs easily and only goons and code can muster enough people to overcome the town guards why is pvp even allowed in the starter area anyway plus they added a duel toggle already how hard would it be to just finish what CCP's started and balance the game around no pvp in highsec instead of having all these dumb cases where you have to balance ships solely around how often they get ganked in safe space
MidnightWyvern Night Theifs 184	Posted - 2016.02.12 03:29:22 - [2] - Quote A Research Alt wrote: this game would be balanced better if CCP just toggled off pvp in highsec as it is you can dodge wardecs easily and only goons and code can muster enough people to overcome the town guards why is pvp even allowed in the starter area anyway plus they added a duel toggle already how hard would it be to just finish what CCP's started and balance the game around no pvp in highsec instead of having all these dumb cases where you have to balance ships solely around how often they get ganked in safe space High-sec is not the starter area. Attacking noobs in starter systems is one of the few things in this game that constitutes griefing, and is punished by CCP directly. Also I get the feeling you are an alt of a CODE pilot who is bitter about someone stopping one of your ganks. _#portDust514 Don't let interactions like this become only a memory. (EVE alt> Sarayu Wyvern. Dust 514 alt> Mobius Wyvern.)
A Research Alt Perkone Caldari State 156	Posted - 2016.02.12 03:35:37 - [3] - Quote MidnightWyvern wrote: High-sec is not the starter area. yes it is
A Research Alt Perkone Caldari State 156	Posted - 2016.02.12 03:36:57 - [4] - Quote I am an industry player and I am tired of CCP protecting my competition by buffing their haulers stop holding stupid peoples' hands or stop rewarding them so much when you do it is not fair to players like me who try difficult things
Albeon Draken Cyan Dragon Inc 0	Posted - 2016.02.12 04:02:32 - [5] - Quote A Research Alt wrote: MidnightWyvern wrote: High-sec is not the starter area. yes it is No it isn't. The starting systems are the starting area and PvP is prohibited there if you weren't aware. The rest of high sec is free and available with restrictions. Distasteful as I find CODE. and their ilk, the ability to PvP in high sec helps to control botting and keep the economy in flux. Since players are doing that, it means CCP can focus less effort on those aspects of the game and more on bringing us new content. Have you enjoyed building one of the new logi frigs yet, because I've certainly enjoyed flying one. o7
A Research Alt Perkone Caldari State 156	Posted - 2016.02.12 04:10:42 - [6] - Quote Albeon Draken wrote: A Research Alt wrote: MidnightWyvern wrote: High-sec is not the starter area. yes it is No it isn't. The starting systems are the starting area and PvP is prohibited there if you weren't aware. The rest of high sec is free and available with restrictions. Distasteful as I find CODE. and their ilk, the ability to PvP in high sec helps to control botting and keep the economy in flux. Since players are doing that, it means CCP can focus less effort on those aspects of the game and more on bringing us new content. Have you enjoyed building one of the new logi frigs yet, because I've certainly enjoyed flying one. o7 if pvp is allowed in highsec why does CCP keep nerfing it into the ground please tell me the last time CCP did something about highsec being too safe they treat it like it is dangerous when it comes to opportunity but make it so safe you can fly almost anywhere in anything and not die ever
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 714	Posted - 2016.02.12 04:13:53 - [7] - Quote A Research Alt wrote: I am an industry player and I am tired of CCP protecting my competition by buffing their haulers stop holding stupid peoples' hands or stop rewarding them so much when you do it is not fair to players like me who try difficult things This totally contradicts your op. OP asks for more hand holding and protection in HS. Good news though, there is a PVP toggle. It's called the undock button. Meh, post with your main. My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 301	Posted - 2016.02.12 04:15:35 - [8] - Quote A Research Alt wrote: I am an industry player and I am tired of CCP protecting my competition by buffing their haulers stop holding stupid peoples' hands or stop rewarding them so much when you do it is not fair to players like me who try difficult things This doesn't make sense to me. Unless you are saying you're an industrialist that uses an alt to gank other industrialists.
A Research Alt Perkone Caldari State 156	Posted - 2016.02.12 04:17:30 - [9] - Quote Avvy wrote: A Research Alt wrote: I am an industry player and I am tired of CCP protecting my competition by buffing their haulers stop holding stupid peoples' hands or stop rewarding them so much when you do it is not fair to players like me who try difficult things This doesn't make sense to me. Unless you are saying you're an industrialist that uses an alt to gank other industrialists. I make things in lowsec and haul them to highsec because I am not totally dumb I do not get ganked gankers are good for my business because my competition is dumb but CCP is making them safe by making freighters harder to kill again
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 27015	Posted - 2016.02.12 04:23:52 - [10] - Quote A Research Alt wrote: this game would be balanced better if CCP just toggled off pvp in highsec AAAAAHAHAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA No. Quote: why is pvp even allowed in the starter area anyway Because PvP is integral to everything in the game, including the newbie systems. They're just a bit more touchy about exactly who you PvP and how (and why) in those systems. This should come as no surprise as EVE is a PvP-centric game. Anyway, the problem with a "no PvP" switch (to say nothing of a no-PvP area) in EVE is that it would have to have at least the following restrictions: -+ You can obviously no longer lock any player ship. -+ You can no longer activate any kind of AoE weaponry or module. -+ You can no longer use the market, contracts or the trading window. -+ You can no longer access or manage POSes and their services. -+ You can no longer mine. -+ You can no longer shoot rats. -+ You can no longer access any kind of container in space. -+ You can no longer carry any cargo out of or into a station. -+ You can no longer use the on-board scanner or scan probes. -+ You can no longer be in a fleet. -+ You can no longer use salvagers and similar mini-profession modules. -+ You can no longer access the industry interface. -+ You can no longer access player-sovereign systems. -+ You can no longer access free-floating permanent sites in space. -+ You can no longer see local. -+ You no longer show up in local. -+ You can no longer see other player ships on the overview. -+ You no longer show up on other player's overviews. -+ You can only see other players' ships in space as nondescript grey boxes without decorations. -+ You can no longer join a player corp. -+ Your ship does not affect the physics sim of other ships. In other words, there would be nothing to do and no game to play. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 301	Posted - 2016.02.12 04:24:09 - [11] - Quote '''
Aiwha Infinite Point Northern Army 945	Posted - 2016.02.12 04:29:27 - [12] - Quote A Research Alt wrote: why is pvp even allowed in the starter area anyway Its actually not. Ganking in rookie systems is a bannable offense. Sanity is fun leaving the body. Aiwha for CSM XI
Albeon Draken Cyan Dragon Inc 0	Posted - 2016.02.12 04:46:06 - [13] - Quote A Research Alt wrote: Albeon Draken wrote: A Research Alt wrote: MidnightWyvern wrote: High-sec is not the starter area. yes it is No it isn't. The starting systems are the starting area and PvP is prohibited there if you weren't aware. The rest of high sec is free and available with restrictions. Distasteful as I find CODE. and their ilk, the ability to PvP in high sec helps to control botting and keep the economy in flux. Since players are doing that, it means CCP can focus less effort on those aspects of the game and more on bringing us new content. Have you enjoyed building one of the new logi frigs yet, because I've certainly enjoyed flying one. o7 if pvp is allowed in highsec why does CCP keep nerfing it into the ground please tell me the last time CCP did something about highsec being too safe they treat it like it is dangerous when it comes to opportunity but make it so safe you can fly almost anywhere in anything and not die ever Check Marmite and CODE.'s killboards for your "not die ever" theory.
A Research Alt Perkone Caldari State 156	Posted - 2016.02.12 04:46:07 - [14] - Quote if pvp is so important then why does CCP not want it in highsec
Primary This Rifter 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 1096	Posted - 2016.02.12 04:53:24 - [15] - Quote A Research Alt wrote: if pvp is so important then why does CCP not want it in highsec They do, or you wouldn't have seen a reason to make this thread.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 2755	Posted - 2016.02.12 05:19:38 - [16] - Quote I thought docking and undocking toggled PVP? Considering that over 90% of my PVP takes place in high sec I think CCP is okay with it. Either that or they secretly hate me. Like, a lot. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
A Research Alt Perkone Caldari State 156	Posted - 2016.02.12 05:23:03 - [17] - Quote Primary This Rifter wrote: A Research Alt wrote: if pvp is so important then why does CCP not want it in highsec They do, or you wouldn't have seen a reason to make this thread. CCP can't seem to decide whether highsec should have pvp or not and so we get the worst of both decisions
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 301	Posted - 2016.02.12 05:29:28 - [18] - Quote A Research Alt wrote: Primary This Rifter wrote: A Research Alt wrote: if pvp is so important then why does CCP not want it in highsec They do, or you wouldn't have seen a reason to make this thread. CCP can't seem to decide whether highsec should have pvp or not and so we get the worst of both decisions It's probably more like they're not sure what to do with it. PvE and PvP players require different things, so CCP have to try and make it palatable for all, so it becomes a balancing act.
Violet Crumble Funtime Factory 772	Posted - 2016.02.12 06:00:50 - [19] - Quote As an Entrepreneur (CCP's classification) that does all my manufacturing in nullsec and a lot of hauling in highsec, I agree with your reverse sentiment here OP. Risk in highsec absolutely benefits those of us that are smart enough to manage our risks and gives us a competitive advantage over lazy pilots that don't look after themselves. Every time aggression is nerfed in highsec, it makes it harder for the better players to maintain their competitiveness, because the game makes the lazy safer. Either turn off all agression in highsec and be done with it, or bring risk back to highsec and accept that people are responsible for their own safety and the safety of their assets. Funtime Factory - We put the fun back in funtime
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2203	Posted - 2016.02.12 09:00:10 - [20] - Quote Hello OP I just want to say first that we are in no way related to the Goonswarm Federation, and don't ever use this non-existing relations to ensure via their CSM that we can keep the monopoly on the Highsec pray since scrub alliances start to copy our tactics. You would be a freaking crackpot if you believed that. With that out of the way, I would like to say that PvP is not consensual in this game and a your whole industry gameplay depends on that fact. The whole stuff you could harvest and build in Highsec would be completely worthless, since it could be farmed with zero risk. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 14131	Posted - 2016.02.12 09:37:50 - [21] - Quote Albeon Draken wrote: A Research Alt wrote: MidnightWyvern wrote: High-sec is not the starter area. yes it is No it isn't. The starting systems are the starting area and PvP is prohibited there if you weren't aware. The rest of high sec is free and available with restrictions. Distasteful as I find CODE. and their ilk, the ability to PvP in high sec helps to control botting and keep the economy in flux. Since players are doing that, it means CCP can focus less effort on those aspects of the game and more on bringing us new content. Have you enjoyed building one of the new logi frigs yet, because I've certainly enjoyed flying one. o7 There is no restriction on pvp in the rookies systems, there are restrictions on how you treat the rookies in the rookie systems but none on pvp. Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
MidnightWyvern Night Theifs 187	Posted - 2016.02.12 13:23:06 - [22] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Albeon Draken wrote: A Research Alt wrote: MidnightWyvern wrote: High-sec is not the starter area. yes it is No it isn't. The starting systems are the starting area and PvP is prohibited there if you weren't aware. The rest of high sec is free and available with restrictions. Distasteful as I find CODE. and their ilk, the ability to PvP in high sec helps to control botting and keep the economy in flux. Since players are doing that, it means CCP can focus less effort on those aspects of the game and more on bringing us new content. Have you enjoyed building one of the new logi frigs yet, because I've certainly enjoyed flying one. o7 There is no restriction on pvp in the rookies systems, there are restrictions on how you treat the rookies in the rookie systems but none on pvp. You have to be able to prove that you're killing them for profit and not just for the hell of it. CCP doesn't take kindly to potential new customers being driven out of the game for no reason. _#portDust514 Don't let interactions like this become only a memory. (EVE alt> Sarayu Wyvern. Dust 514 alt> Mobius Wyvern.)
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 25901	Posted - 2016.02.12 13:23:58 - [23] - Quote Aiwha wrote: A Research Alt wrote: why is pvp even allowed in the starter area anyway Its actually not. Ganking in rookie systems is a bannable offense. Not strictly true, the bannable offence is going after newbies, whether it be ganking, suspect baiting or otherwise using their ignorance against them in the starter, tutorial and the initial SoE arc (Arnon) systems. Everybody else is fair game. As for the OP, hisec is not a starter zone, it is as much a PvP area as any other space. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Memphis Baas 1112	Posted - 2016.02.12 13:30:51 - [24] - Quote Nice try, good attempt at trolling. Your stance seems to be, CCP should remove all PVP restrictions in high sec, because otherwise it's pointless, and if they want to keep it pointless they might as well remove PVP altogether. So, either unrestricted PVP or NO PVP. Well, the game has some gradients, with an increasing amount of "rules" and "restrictions" when comparing null to lowsec to highsec. Sorry that you don't agree with them, but they make for some entertaining gameplay for those who are smart enough to accept the rules and game them to the bending point. Troll and whine post, otherwise.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 10750	Posted - 2016.02.12 13:31:37 - [25] - Quote Post with your main, coward NPC alt. Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m! Bumble's Space Log
Neuntausend GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 615	Posted - 2016.02.12 13:44:02 - [26] - Quote Not sure if the OP is meant seriously or just really bad sarcasm. Highsec is not the starter area. It may have been intended as such initially, but it never came to be. Highsec is a place where a lot of production, resource gathering and most of the trading happens. What happens in Highsec affects pretty much every other area of space in Eve: A nullsec alliance needs doctrine ships, they fly to highsec, buy them there and ship them to the frontlines. A nullsec ratter wants to turn his loot into cash, he ships it to highsec and sells it there. A nullsec player wants to make a quick, stress free buck on the side, he goes to highsec and runs incursions with an alt. A wormhole corporation needs a POS fuel, they go to highsec and buy it there. A lowsec pirate needs a new pwnmobile, he goes to highsec to buy a ship built in a secret highsec production pos with tritanium mined in highsec belts, mods dropped in nullsec and salvage gained from wormholes, all of which has been shipped to jita. Highsec is not the starter area, its the pivot point of business and industry in Eve.

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