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Symphony-Angel
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2016.02.15 00:22:11 -
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Mobadder Thworst wrote:I've never tried an anti-gank, but here is what I was thinking.
You can fit 3 large smart bombs on a maller (if I remember correctly). I think that's a 10k range which should be sufficient.
If you dueled a freighter you were escorting, you could try to hug it on the trip. Likelihood of getting yourself concorded if you activate I s high... But a ball of catalysis wouldn't enjoy smart bombs and you wouldn't start pulsing until the freighter is in trouble.
I'm just spitballing here, would this work? Range-wise, would it make more sense to use mediums?
I bet it would be a fun read no matter how it played out.
I used a maller with med smart bombs, I was lucky to be in the warp in spot of the gank fleet or just behind, the freighter was out of my range, the fleet had non flashies in so I waited until they opened fire, only got off two rounds with my bombs as the bump ship headed my way, AG had a lot of ships that night but my bombs got on 9 cata kills doing 10% damage or just over and some pods too,
The gank failed haha with the hull at 25% which AG repped back up and went on its way
I was lucky not to get concorded but then me watching for this cut my damage down, then did my 10% to 9 cata change things that much, does the damage you do before concord arrive add to the speed the gankers die
When all said and done despite minerbumbing claims AG won and code Failed
It did look very cool as my bombs went off I must say with cata's popping around me |
Ozzie Udan
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
91
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Posted - 2016.02.15 00:55:49 -
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A CODE. Fail never........... well done to all on that night,
Saturday evening got very hot with a lot of freighter loss in Uedama, I was around for one fail gank and we stop them taking the loot from one drop for a long time, they even sent a gank fleet to kill us
One guy upon seeing the cata fleet warp in said " guess this one's for us good luck all" several AG Ships went down but we still had their loot freighter locked and bumped, later they found a 2nd freighter pilot with balls this time who got the loot from right under our nose. Still not sure how he did that but we made them work for what ever was in the loot.
A great evening of gaming experience for sure,
Next time think I'll try remote rep and see how that pans out |
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
728
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Posted - 2016.02.15 01:34:52 -
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Ozzie Udan wrote:A CODE. Fail never........... well done to all on that night,
Saturday evening got very hot with a lot of freighter loss in Uedama, I was around for one fail gank and we stop them taking the loot from one drop for a long time, they even sent a gank fleet to kill us
One guy upon seeing the cata fleet warp in said " guess this one's for us good luck all" several AG Ships went down but we still had their loot freighter locked and bumped, later they found a 2nd freighter pilot with balls this time who got the loot from right under our nose. Still not sure how he did that but we made them work for what ever was in the loot.
A great evening of gaming experience for sure,
Next time think I'll try remote rep and see how that pans out
take notes guys
this is how to emergent gameplay
@JerryTPepridge
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Kaely Tanniss
Addicted To Chaos Archetype.
543
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Posted - 2016.02.15 04:35:49 -
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Now isn't this precious
If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
3213
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Posted - 2016.02.15 13:46:16 -
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Dracvlad wrote:You talked about how easy it is to gank bumpers, so lets see you match your words with effort, Yes I am fail, but are you? I didnt say it was easy, I said it shouldn't be easy, it should be hard work. So if you put effort in something, you should be rewarded. That being ganking and anti-ganking, as I like them both. It's good Eve content.
DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !
Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.
TORA BUSHIDO FOR CSM XI
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Ro Fenrios
Armilies Corporation
151
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Posted - 2016.02.15 14:14:17 -
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Nice to see AG starting to have some organization. Was just wondering would simple sacrificial tactics like ecm bursting ship or just spawning concord to the grid the moment you see gank fleet on grid help at all? Has anyone tried how well tracking disruption works also vs gank catalysts knowing their horribly low optimal range? |
Ozzie Udan
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
97
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Posted - 2016.02.15 16:34:08 -
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Ro Fenrios wrote:Nice to see AG starting to have some organization. Was just wondering would simple sacrificial tactics like ecm bursting ship or just spawning concord to the grid the moment you see gank fleet on grid help at all? Has anyone tried how well tracking disruption works also vs gank catalysts knowing their horribly low optimal range?
We have to keep changing what we do as they keep changing, we start to pull Ships out of gank fleets after a gate jump, they wise up to this and start to counter it, we have lots of logistics on the field they then start to bump 2 or 3 freighters at once so we can cover all the targets
We smart bomb they use non criminal pilots, we ew they eccm, some of it is how their pilots fly not ship fitting or skills
Remember they are very good at what they do and have the advantage of numbers, we can stop a gank if we have got it right so they do the upmost to make sure we don't
It's all part of the dance that can last 10 to 15 mins as people try to be at the right spot at the right moment , then it's over in seconds
Don't get me wrong AG is hard work like the gank it's self must be, if you like it simple sit on the undock at Dodixe and kill pods |
Dom Arkaral
Gate Is Red Complaints Department
60
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Posted - 2016.02.15 17:49:34 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:OMG, we created a monster nah, just an idea that will last as long as the actual AG groups
Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker
I have no Honer (truly)
Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche!
Ich bin krank! (I don't speak German don't bother)
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Nofear Alt
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2016.02.15 21:54:13 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:Like I said, I'm no expert here. Just saying that if you want to win, you should put effort in it first.. Nothing is free.
You are spot on about the effort - AG would probably only need to put half as much effort in as CODE to stop ganks (if they do it the right way) - big problem is that there is very little gain for AG, whereas lots of potential gain for CODE.
If there was a mechanism to do "escort" missions - an amount in escrow until the freighter successfully made it from point A to point B then AG might be a much more viable option....and make it worthwhile for AG. And if it ever happens, then we will have CODE to thank for creating content ;-)
Alt and proud
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1844
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Posted - 2016.02.16 18:07:13 -
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The AG guys need a few machs and some practice. That's it. All this other hoo haw is foolish. Bump the mach w/ a pair of machs and the exercise is over. No need for heroic BB, smart bombing mallers or anything else.
You need 3 guys w/ bumping skills and the correct ship.
Disclaimer: This only works on the out gate when the freighter is trying to get into warp. If the freighter is on auto pilot approaching the gate (1) you can't save him (2) he's getting what he asked for. |
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Dom Arkaral
Gate Is Red Complaints Department
65
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Posted - 2016.02.16 18:23:36 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:The AG guys need a few machs and some practice. That's it. All this other hoo haw is foolish. Bump the mach w/ a pair of machs and the exercise is over. No need for heroic BB, smart bombing mallers or anything else.
You need 3 guys w/ bumping skills and the correct ship.
Disclaimer: This only works on the out gate when the freighter is trying to get into warp. If the freighter is on auto pilot approaching the gate (1) you can't save him (2) he's getting what he asked for.
Have you ever bumped? If you did, you know that: 1- bumping AFK stuff is easy 2- bumping stuff that's moving faster than a freighter is harder 3- bumping a pro bumper is impossible before he lands a bump on his target
Bumping is an art that only a handful master. And luckily for CODE., most are already with them
Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker
I have no Honer (truly)
Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche!
Ich bin krank! (I don't speak German don't bother)
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1844
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Posted - 2016.02.16 18:43:29 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:The AG guys need a few machs and some practice. That's it. All this other hoo haw is foolish. Bump the mach w/ a pair of machs and the exercise is over. No need for heroic BB, smart bombing mallers or anything else.
You need 3 guys w/ bumping skills and the correct ship.
Disclaimer: This only works on the out gate when the freighter is trying to get into warp. If the freighter is on auto pilot approaching the gate (1) you can't save him (2) he's getting what he asked for. Have you ever bumped? If you did, you know that: 1- bumping AFK stuff is easy 2- bumping stuff that's moving faster than a freighter is harder 3- bumping a pro bumper is impossible before he lands a bump on his target Bumping is an art that only a handful master. And luckily for CODE., most are already with them
I've lived in wh since they were put in the game. Bumping folks off of wh so they can't escape is pretty common. It's not that hard and if you read closely
"You need 3 guys w/ bumping skills and the correct ship."
A little true story for you. One of my guys messed up a few weeks back. Was getting bumped by a mach in niarja in an orca. We brought in a total of 5 webs, which were all useless. Some white knight in a kronos got a bump on the mach and we were able to get the orca on its way. I can't speak to the WK's bumping skill as I don't know him. I can say that a kronos (yeah a motherfooking kronos) is totally the wrong ship to bump a mach. He pulled it off anyway (thanks man!!). Not to put your panties in wedgie formation or anything, but if a random HS dude in a kronos can derail a CODE bumper, then "Ain't all that difficult" is more probable than your "impossible".
It's pretty easy to get a good bump on a mach when it's turning to make another run at the freighter.
If you really truly believe that bumping is an art that only a handful master - don't come to wh space - you'll be quickly enlightened by most experienced players there.... err I mean come to wh space, you'll be perfectly fine orbiting that HS wh you're chained to for safety.
Next you'll be telling me that a stabbed, cloaked, ecm burst, mjd DST is perfectly safe when escorted by a scout.
https://zkillboard.com/kill/52057454/
It's just dumb to say something skill / effort related in eve is impossible.
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Dom Arkaral
Gate Is Red Complaints Department
65
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Posted - 2016.02.16 18:48:54 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Dom Arkaral wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:The AG guys need a few machs and some practice. That's it. All this other hoo haw is foolish. Bump the mach w/ a pair of machs and the exercise is over. No need for heroic BB, smart bombing mallers or anything else.
You need 3 guys w/ bumping skills and the correct ship.
Disclaimer: This only works on the out gate when the freighter is trying to get into warp. If the freighter is on auto pilot approaching the gate (1) you can't save him (2) he's getting what he asked for. Have you ever bumped? If you did, you know that: 1- bumping AFK stuff is easy 2- bumping stuff that's moving faster than a freighter is harder 3- bumping a pro bumper is impossible before he lands a bump on his target Bumping is an art that only a handful master. And luckily for CODE., most are already with them I've lived in wh since they were put in the game. Bumping folks off of wh so they can't escape is pretty common. It's not that hard and if you read closely "You need 3 guys w/ bumping skills and the correct ship." A little true story for you. One of my guys messed up a few weeks back. Was getting bumped by a mach in niarja in an orca. We brought in a total of 5 webs, which were all useless. Some white knight in a kronos got a bump on the mach and we were able to get the orca on its way. I can't speak to the WK's bumping skill as I don't know him. I can say that a kronos (yeah a motherfooking kronos) is totally the wrong ship to bump a mach. He pulled it off anyway (thanks man!!). Not to put your panties in wedgie formation or anything, but if a random HS dude in a kronos can derail a CODE bumper, then "Ain't all that difficult" is more probable than your "impossible". It's pretty easy to get a good bump on a mach when it's turning to make another run at the freighter. If you really truly believe that bumping is an art that only a handful master - don't come to wh space - you'll be quickly enlightened by most experienced players there.... err I mean come to wh space, you'll be perfectly fine orbiting that HS wh you're chained to for safety. Next you'll be telling me that a stabbed, cloaked, ecm burst, mjd DST is perfectly safe when escorted by a scout. https://zkillboard.com/kill/52057454/ It's just dumb to say something skill / effort related in eve is impossible. Skill and AG don't go together Now get off your high horse because no one will bump a bumper for free And a bumper bumper is always a good target too
Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker
I have no Honer (truly)
Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche!
Ich bin krank! (I don't speak German don't bother)
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
14179
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Posted - 2016.02.16 19:48:13 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:And a bumper bumper is always a good target too bumping a bumber bumper with another bumper ...
Better the Devil you know.
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Nofear Alt
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2016.02.16 20:26:11 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:The AG guys need a few machs and some practice. That's it. All this other hoo haw is foolish. Bump the mach w/ a pair of machs and the exercise is over. No need for heroic BB, smart bombing mallers or anything else.
You need 3 guys w/ bumping skills and the correct ship.
What do you think is going to happen if you put 3 machs on field???? Yep, goodbye mach(s)......
Alt and proud
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Ozzie Udan
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
101
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Posted - 2016.02.16 22:02:27 -
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Nofear Alt wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:The AG guys need a few machs and some practice. That's it. All this other hoo haw is foolish. Bump the mach w/ a pair of machs and the exercise is over. No need for heroic BB, smart bombing mallers or anything else.
You need 3 guys w/ bumping skills and the correct ship.
What do you think is going to happen if you put 3 machs on field???? Yep, goodbye mach(s)......
If you pay much attention to their machs they tank them, also they can have 4 or 5 bumpers operating in the pipeline at one time, we need to watch their stations to and report about undocks and active fleet make ups, if people would listen to our intelligence they would have no targets,
Most of you have good ideas which have been tried and work but only once or twice before they counter it, finding something that is fun to do for an evening is the key I think
Going to try the "gank a bumper plan (concord calling)" over the next day or two, might even use catas just to see the damage we can do
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Ginnie
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
126
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Posted - 2016.02.16 22:41:40 -
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Bump the bumping bumper to bumping bumper cars where he can bump all bumping night long
It sounds plausible enough tonight, but wait until tomorrow. Wait for the common sense of the morning.
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1845
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Posted - 2016.02.17 16:50:30 -
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Ozzie Udan wrote:Nofear Alt wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:The AG guys need a few machs and some practice. That's it. All this other hoo haw is foolish. Bump the mach w/ a pair of machs and the exercise is over. No need for heroic BB, smart bombing mallers or anything else.
You need 3 guys w/ bumping skills and the correct ship.
What do you think is going to happen if you put 3 machs on field???? Yep, goodbye mach(s)...... If you pay much attention to their machs they tank them, also they can have 4 or 5 bumpers operating in the pipeline at one time, we need to watch their stations to and report about undocks and active fleet make ups, if people would listen to our intelligence they would have no targets, Most of you have good ideas which have been tried and work but only once or twice before they counter it, finding something that is fun to do for an evening is the key I think Going to try the "gank a bumper plan (concord calling)" over the next day or two, might even use catas just to see the damage we can do
I'm not sure if you guys have ever been involved, but the mach working for the gankers is holding the freighter until the gank fleet assembles and gets there. It takes time. There aren't a bunch of gank ships already there just waiting. They would get concorded. So (sigh) once again. You can bump the mach - you have time - and again - you aren't going to save a pilot that is on auto pilot that is trying to slow boat to the gate.
This would only work to save an active player trying to warp and he needs a friendly webber to spring him when the opportunity happens. It would be a team effort with an available webber. You can't just bump the mach and all will be good. This is a viable solution.
Here's why it isn't used:*
1. freighter pilot is afk asking to be ganked 2. freighter pilot doesn't have a webbing buddy around to assist 3. freighter pilot isn't on comms to call for help in a meaningful timeframe. * It pretty much boils down to freighter pilots moving a lot of isk solo and pretending that's how the game works.
To prevent ganks from starting:
1. scout ahead (don't jump into a system w/ a mach on the gate) 2. use side gates to systems like Niarja (yeah it's 2 more jumps, but the upside is you don't get ganked) 3. bring a webbing ship and try to beat the bumper if it comes to that
Once the bumping starts: 1. get help quickly (this implies you are in an active corp, on comms and have corpies willing/able to help you) 2. get webbers in place next to the freighter 3. get a bump or two on that ebil ganker mach to buy some align time for your freighter 4. web that sucker into warp and off to freedom* 5. trick a buddy into jumping into system w/ a more valuable freighter to draw them off of you *knowing the right time to web takes practice to get the feel for when to apply webs for max effect (I don't recommend practicing in Niarja)
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
1324
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Posted - 2016.02.18 08:11:41 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:I'm not sure if you guys have ever been involved, but the mach working for the gankers is holding the freighter until the gank fleet assembles and gets there. It takes time. There aren't a bunch of gank ships already there just waiting. They would get concorded. So (sigh) once again. You can bump the mach - you have time - and again - you aren't going to save a pilot that is on auto pilot that is trying to slow boat to the gate. This would only work to save an active player trying to warp and he needs a friendly webber to spring him when the opportunity happens. It would be a team effort with an available webber. You can't just bump the mach and all will be good. This is a viable solution. Here's why it isn't used:* 1. freighter pilot is afk asking to be ganked 2. freighter pilot doesn't have a webbing buddy around to assist 3. freighter pilot isn't on comms to call for help in a meaningful timeframe. * It pretty much boils down to freighter pilots moving a lot of isk solo and pretending that's how the game works. To prevent ganks from starting: 1. scout ahead (don't jump into a system w/ a mach on the gate) 2. use side gates to systems like Niarja (yeah it's 2 more jumps, but the upside is you don't get ganked) 3. bring a webbing ship and try to beat the bumper if it comes to that Once the bumping starts: 1. get help quickly (this implies you are in an active corp, on comms and have corpies willing/able to help you) 2. get webbers in place next to the freighter 3. get a bump or two on that ebil ganker mach to buy some align time for your freighter 4. web that sucker into warp and off to freedom* 5. trick a buddy into jumping into system w/ a more valuable freighter to draw them off of you *knowing the right time to web takes practice to get the feel for when to apply webs for max effect (I don't recommend practicing in Niarja)
Gank ships are stored in Kamio, which gives very nice cover of both choke points.
1. Not all freighter pilots are AFK 2. Most hisec players are casual so don't go mad on multiple accounts, or the freighter is from a 0.0 player 3. Most hisec players are in 1 man or NPC corps, so comms and help is not normal, also if 0.0 alliance calling for help in hisec is not going to get anything
The game is a team game except when it is not or when it suits the gank play.
1. Choke systems..., also many of the people don't have multiple accounts so limited chance for scouts 2. They cover those gates too and will follow into Kaap in any case 3. Webbers are an issue for 1 man corps, NPC corps and casual players with one account, assuming Eve is a multi account game again or that having a corp with more than 1 man won't get a war dec is kinda meh
1. Implying that is where you are going wrong, what is hisec mostly made up of? 2. Webbers from where? Out of their butt magically? 3. Easier said then done, I have the advanatge over you in that I have actually done it, problem is that you found more Mach's turning up 4. Have to get the Webber to duel, thats a whole can of worms that one 5. Really what a great option that one, with so many Machs taht is two confirmed losses
Webbing is easy, though its best to have a high level character do it, I used Dracvlad to web in a Loki with twin faction webs
Your issue here is not looking at the reality of the prey and who is doing the ganking, you sort of get it in terms of this:
Quote: (this implies you are in an active corp, on comms and have corpies willing/able to help you)
You can assume that this nearly never applies, hisec is a different eco system, but don't worry too much, a lot of those casual players are walking away anyway, that's fine they don't get Eve
Ella's Snack bar. The Hisec sandbox is basically a themepark for gankers
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2256
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Posted - 2016.02.18 08:16:17 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Dom Arkaral wrote:And a bumper bumper is always a good target too bumping a bumber bumper with another bumper ... Bumpception!
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1847
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Posted - 2016.02.18 12:38:08 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:I'm not sure if you guys have ever been involved, but the mach working for the gankers is holding the freighter until the gank fleet assembles and gets there. It takes time. There aren't a bunch of gank ships already there just waiting. They would get concorded. So (sigh) once again. You can bump the mach - you have time - and again - you aren't going to save a pilot that is on auto pilot that is trying to slow boat to the gate. This would only work to save an active player trying to warp and he needs a friendly webber to spring him when the opportunity happens. It would be a team effort with an available webber. You can't just bump the mach and all will be good. This is a viable solution. Here's why it isn't used:* 1. freighter pilot is afk asking to be ganked 2. freighter pilot doesn't have a webbing buddy around to assist 3. freighter pilot isn't on comms to call for help in a meaningful timeframe. * It pretty much boils down to freighter pilots moving a lot of isk solo and pretending that's how the game works. To prevent ganks from starting: 1. scout ahead (don't jump into a system w/ a mach on the gate) 2. use side gates to systems like Niarja (yeah it's 2 more jumps, but the upside is you don't get ganked) 3. bring a webbing ship and try to beat the bumper if it comes to that Once the bumping starts: 1. get help quickly (this implies you are in an active corp, on comms and have corpies willing/able to help you) 2. get webbers in place next to the freighter 3. get a bump or two on that ebil ganker mach to buy some align time for your freighter 4. web that sucker into warp and off to freedom* 5. trick a buddy into jumping into system w/ a more valuable freighter to draw them off of you *knowing the right time to web takes practice to get the feel for when to apply webs for max effect (I don't recommend practicing in Niarja) Gank ships are stored in Kamio, which gives very nice cover of both choke points. 1. Not all freighter pilots are AFK 2. Most hisec players are casual so don't go mad on multiple accounts, or the freighter is from a 0.0 player 3. Most hisec players are in 1 man or NPC corps, so comms and help is not normal, also if 0.0 alliance calling for help in hisec is not going to get anything The game is a team game except when it is not or when it suits the gank play. 1. Choke systems..., also many of the people don't have multiple accounts so limited chance for scouts 2. They cover those gates too and will follow into Kaap in any case 3. Webbers are an issue for 1 man corps, NPC corps and casual players with one account, assuming Eve is a multi account game again or that having a corp with more than 1 man won't get a war dec is kinda meh 1. Implying that is where you are going wrong, what is hisec mostly made up of? 2. Webbers from where? Out of their butt magically? 3. Easier said then done, I have the advanatge over you in that I have actually done it, problem is that you find more Mach's turning up 4. Have to get the Webber to duel, thats a whole can of worms that one 5. Really what a great option that one, with so many Machs taht is two confirmed losses Webbing is easy, though its best to have a high level character do it, I used Dracvlad to web in a Loki with twin faction webs Your issue here is not looking at the reality of the prey and who is doing the ganking, you sort of get it in terms of this: Quote: (this implies you are in an active corp, on comms and have corpies willing/able to help you) You can assume that this nearly never applies, hisec is a different eco system, but don't worry too much, a lot of those casual players are walking away anyway, that's fine they don't get Eve
Sorry to bin you w/ out bothering to look you up (I'm pretty sure you've done the same to me), but I think it's cute that you're explaining eve to me. I'll just leave it at that. |
Ozzie Udan
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
103
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Posted - 2016.02.18 13:01:02 -
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Those last to long post gave me a new idea, at times when bumpers are about we could pre-gank a bumper as a freighter pilot drops gate clock, that's the danger time for them
It would need the freighter pilot to be at keyboard and want to talk to us but that could work, just the timer to wait out for the next bumper gank
Feed back on that please |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
7286
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Posted - 2016.02.20 07:59:12 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:I'm no gank experts, but why arent anti gankers using 2 newbie chars to defend freighters ? Have one of your chars sit next to the freighter being bumped and have the second char gank the first char the moment you see the CODE fleet warp to the frieghter. Wont Concord be already there when they arrive and kill them all ?
Have a few more guys do that and you wont even see the freighter, as its surrounded by Concord.
No worries about killrights, as both are your own chars and security status you fix with tags.
Just a thought. Would probably work better then reps, dps or ECM.
Isn't Concord baiting rather frowned upon?
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Church Lady
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2016.02.20 08:04:01 -
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Kaely Tanniss wrote:Now isn't this precious
the correct word is"special" and stay on your side of the street you deviant. |
Dom Arkaral
Gate Is Red Complaints Department
71
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Posted - 2016.02.20 08:08:00 -
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Church Lady wrote:Kaely Tanniss wrote:Now isn't this precious the correct word is"special" and stay on your side of the street you deviant. lol little alt is mad eh? must be sad to fail all day everyday
Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker
I have no Honer (truly)
Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche!
Ich bin krank! (I don't speak German don't bother)
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Kaely Tanniss
Addicted To Chaos Archetype.
543
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Posted - 2016.02.20 09:03:17 -
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Church Lady wrote:Kaely Tanniss wrote:Now isn't this precious the correct word is"special" and stay on your side of the street you deviant.
Oooo...deviant. Be careful with the big words..wouldn't want to hurt yourself
Oh..and in case you weren't aware..on C&P..post with your main or gtfo
If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
1329
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Posted - 2016.02.20 09:50:08 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Sorry to bin you w/ out bothering to look you up (I'm pretty sure you've done the same to me), but I think it's cute that you're explaining eve to me. I'll just leave it at that.
I have read a lot of your posts and agree with much of what you say, my post was more to ram home the obvious points to others not you. Of course we have a different view point, but in some areas I agree with your posts a lot, you might have seen my name pop up a number of times liking your posts.
For what it is worth you are a poster that I read because you do make very good points.
Ella's Snack bar. The Hisec sandbox is basically a themepark for gankers
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Ozzie Udan
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
114
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Posted - 2016.02.20 10:51:20 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Tora Bushido wrote:I'm no gank experts, but why arent anti gankers using 2 newbie chars to defend freighters ? Have one of your chars sit next to the freighter being bumped and have the second char gank the first char the moment you see the CODE fleet warp to the frieghter. Wont Concord be already there when they arrive and kill them all ?
Have a few more guys do that and you wont even see the freighter, as its surrounded by Concord.
No worries about killrights, as both are your own chars and security status you fix with tags.
Just a thought. Would probably work better then reps, dps or ECM. Isn't Concord baiting rather frowned upon?
Concord baiting may be frowned upon, that's why I think it should be bumper ganking at which point Concord will still turn up to stop us, down side we get a kill right on us, our aim to put the bumper off to help freighter get away and one day kill bumper too |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
1330
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Posted - 2016.02.20 11:05:23 -
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Ozzie Udan wrote:Those last to long post gave me a new idea, at times when bumpers are about we could pre-gank a bumper as a freighter pilot drops gate clock, that's the danger time for them
It would need the freighter pilot to be at keyboard and want to talk to us but that could work, just the timer to wait out for the next bumper gank
Feed back on that please
I would suggest you have a chat with Jennifer en Marland about ganking bumpers, that player has ganked a number of bumpers. I had fleeted up with her once to try to gank one, but there was two Macherials and we needed to get three Talos's on them as they had fitted a tank of sorts and it was too difficult to pull off. Ganking a very fast moving BS is not the same as ganking a freighter.
The only time you can really pull it off is catching them at the gate, but your timing has to be perfect otherwise they will jump through and you will make them very happy.
So people say yeah gank the bumpers, but its easier said then done which is why I said to Tora lets see you do it ,and not to my surprise he made an excuse and did not put his money where his mouth was, I make it quite clear in my response, I was not able to gank a Macherial and admitted that I had failed.
Ella's Snack bar. The Hisec sandbox is basically a themepark for gankers
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Ozzie Udan
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
115
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Posted - 2016.02.21 08:06:25 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Ozzie Udan wrote:Those last to long post gave me a new idea, at times when bumpers are about we could pre-gank a bumper as a freighter pilot drops gate clock, that's the danger time for them
It would need the freighter pilot to be at keyboard and want to talk to us but that could work, just the timer to wait out for the next bumper gank
Feed back on that please I would suggest you have a chat with Jennifer en Marland about ganking bumpers, that player has ganked a number of bumpers. I had fleeted up with her once to try to gank one, but there was two Macherials and we needed to get three Talos's on them as they had fitted a tank of sorts and it was too difficult to pull off. Ganking a very fast moving BS is not the same as ganking a freighter. The only time you can really pull it off is catching them at the gate, but your timing has to be perfect otherwise they will jump through and you will make them very happy. EDIT You could keep an eye on intel for other ganks and hope that the Mach pilot is also flying a gank Catalyst at the same time so you can get the drop on him. So people say yeah gank the bumpers, but its easier said then done which is why I said to Tora lets see you do it ,and not to my surprise he made an excuse and did not put his money where his mouth was, I make it quite clear in my response, I was not able to gank a Macherial and admitted that I had failed.
Thxs for information, my attack plan doesn't have just one goal,
1st it has 2 areas to operate in, at the gate, to work with the freighter pilot as a diversion as he drops gate clock. Other area at the bump site.
The gate scenario is simple to give high value targets better odds at getting into warp, down side we die fast to gate guns and diversion needs to be planned
Bump site, to try and kill bumper or hold him so freighter can get away, if we fail, concord will be on site and if our timing is right the gank fleet will be on its way, higher chance of a gank fail with concord around
Feed back always welcome, it's all about learning what works and how
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