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Ozzie Udan Caldari Provisions Caldari State 81	Posted - 2016.02.12 07:16:40 - [1] - Quote During my short time Anti-ganking I have been using sniper Ships , to pick gankers off, fast locking frig to pull Ships out of fleets and scout, this time I made myself a Blackbird So my 1st evening of ew had mixed results First the part I had fun with, a freighter in Uedama bumped off gate, very large number of Anti-gankers of all types there to help, code undocked but hit a secondary target, too many of us put them off I suppose. Now the wait for the timer but the freighter protection fleet numbers had start to drop, gank number going up they undock and hit our freighter Not sure on numbers but it was large, they sure wanted this ship, I had used race jamers for the cata so they should have been my target but the fleet had a large number of amarr bombers in its make up, loyalonan was one of the 1st to land but I had the wrong jammers for her ship, I crossed my fingers and went for it It worked, one bomber not adding it's dps, I them locked up 3 catas to jam next cycle, not sure how many of these I locked down but thing started to get hot, the AG Blackbird I was close to went pop then I was locked by about 3 gankers, I locked one back and got a jam in (by this time the freighter was dead I think) lucky for me my ship was armor tanked, Shields went down fast but armor held, I started to lose locks as the gank fleet was destroyed, then it was the dance of the haulers trying to loot the wreckages, small Ships running around looting what ever, it's strange to watch then at the end the salvagers turn up, come along sometime and see for yourself, think we need David Attenborough here to do a documentary on ship hunting hehe. So what did I do wrong and right, well with the number they had the freighter was lost, I looked at the kill board to work out if jamming the bomber worked, loyalonan was right at the lower end of the kb with the T1 cata's, so yes it cut damage down. I know a black bird will always be at risk in pvp more than most Ships but as myself and the black bird I was close to got targeted before the gankers got their kill, it shows we was a worry and need to be stopped, or maybe loyalonan had a hissy fit as she could not fire and told the fleet to kill us Anyway a fun evening, I think more skills are needed and a lot more practice One thing, why do gank members kill each other after their target is down, two of the cata's I had jammed ended up being killed by code, is it just kb padding
Morgan Agrivar Happy Endings Massage Parlor 277	Posted - 2016.02.12 08:00:39 - [2] - Quote It is common while running in PvP fleets of some corporations or alliances.. If you know you are outnumbered and are going to die, you lock up your buddy and fire a volley or two just to get on the killboard. Your buddy will do the same to you. Being on the other side as a ganker for a while, I learned all I know from loyalnon. He knows that you will win some and you will lose some. The AG people put more credit into saving a freighter than they should get. And as for where they killed a different freighter than the one you are protecting...that more than likely was planned and your presence had nothing to do with it. Realize, they watch all of the gates and they could have two or more freighters bumped and depending on what is inside, loyalnon is determining who he wants to hit first. I only ganked a couple of times and got almost 24b in kills doing so. It really was fun. Just something about me...
Tora Bushido EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 3199	Posted - 2016.02.12 08:05:12 - [3] - Quote I'm no gank experts, but why arent anti gankers using 2 newbie chars to defend freighters ? Have one of your chars sit next to the freighter being bumped and have the second char gank the first char the moment you see the CODE fleet warp to the frieghter. Wont Concord be already there when they arrive and kill them all ? No worries about killrights, as both are your own chars and security status you fix with tags. Just a thought. Would probably work better then reps, dps or ECM. DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE ! Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII. TORA BUSHIDO FOR CSM XI
Ozzie Udan Caldari Provisions Caldari State 84	Posted - 2016.02.12 08:28:40 - [4] - Quote Tora Bushido wrote: I'm no gank experts, but why arent anti gankers using 2 newbie chars to defend freighters ? Have one of your chars sit next to the freighter being bumped and have the second char gank the first char the moment you see the CODE fleet warp to the frieghter. Wont Concord be already there when they arrive and kill them all ? Have a few more guys do that and you wont even see the freighter, as its surrounded by Concord. No worries about killrights, as both are your own chars and security status you fix with tags. Just a thought. Would probably work better then reps, dps or ECM. Or both char attack the bumper , what is concords response 3 Ships per attacker, think I read that some where
Tora Bushido EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 3201	Posted - 2016.02.12 10:02:39 - [5] - Quote Ozzie Udan wrote: Or both char attack the bumper , what is concords response 3 Ships per attacker, think I read that some where Yeh, but then the bumper gets a kill right on you. If you do it my way, you have one on yourself. So no big deal And if its numbers, then just have a few guys doing it. It should not be easy or ganking would become boring and AG OP, but if you work hard for it, you should be able to counter it. Ganking and AG should both be hard work .... result, profit or victory ! DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE ! Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII. TORA BUSHIDO FOR CSM XI
Tora Bushido EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 3201	Posted - 2016.02.12 11:07:57 - [6] - Quote One of my intel suppliers in Archetype told me that MrB99 from Astral Mining and known for his anti ganking operations, hired Archetype (know to be 1 of only 2 alliances blue to CODE). Anyone care to explain why ? The intel could be fake of course, but I dont think so, as we pay more then enough to keep them happy. DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE ! Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII. TORA BUSHIDO FOR CSM XI
Ozzie Udan Caldari Provisions Caldari State 84	Posted - 2016.02.12 12:29:00 - [7] - Quote Tora Bushido wrote: One of my intel suppliers in Archetype told me that MrB99 from Astral Mining and known for his anti ganking operations, hired Archetype (know to be 1 of only 2 alliances blue to CODE). Anyone care to explain why ? The intel could be fake of course, but I dont think so, as we pay more then enough to keep them happy. GÇ£Oh, what a tangled web we weave...when first we practice to deceive.GÇ¥ scott fitting i believe
Niris Atavuli Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2016.02.12 13:18:23 - [8] - Quote I have been reading your post and was wondering if code. take any action against you, I hear stories of war dec'ing people who stand up to them and if they can ridicule some in the process all the better Not my way to play Eve, keep up the good work and look forward to reading more
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2205	Posted - 2016.02.12 14:49:29 - [9] - Quote Tora Bushido wrote: I'm no gank experts, but why arent anti gankers using 2 newbie chars to defend freighters ? Have one of your chars sit next to the freighter being bumped and have the second char gank the first char the moment you see the CODE fleet warp to the frieghter. Wont Concord be already there when they arrive and kill them all ? Have a few more guys do that and you wont even see the freighter, as its surrounded by Concord. No worries about killrights, as both are your own chars and security status you fix with tags. Just a thought. Would probably work better then reps, dps or ECM. What a great idea Tora. You earned your place up there with the great anti-ganker leaders, like DrisonBenningthon and JTClone Ares. Maybe they let you use their highsec jumpbridge network if you ask nicely. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Tora Bushido EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 3202	Posted - 2016.02.12 18:56:56 - [10] - Quote You should know me well enough by now to know I'm on the side of good fun Eve content..... so both sides. Remove ganking or Anti-ganking and Eve will be boring as hell. DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE ! Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII. TORA BUSHIDO FOR CSM XI
Bing Bangboom DAMAG Safety Commission 455	Posted - 2016.02.12 20:09:00 - [11] - Quote OP, are you the same person as Spacepeanut Udan? If so, why haven't you answered my reply to your earlier plea for help? No lying now.... you AG types are honorable and stuff. Highsec is worth fighting for. By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.-á www.minerbumping.com
Ozzie Udan Caldari Provisions Caldari State 86	Posted - 2016.02.12 21:22:46 - [12] - Quote Bing Bangboom wrote: OP, are you the same person as Spacepeanut Udan? If so, why haven't you answered my reply to your earlier plea for help? No lying now.... you AG types are honorable and stuff. Sorry no, Spacepeanut is unknown to me, did you mail me for help or him
Ozzie Udan Caldari Provisions Caldari State 86	Posted - 2016.02.12 21:28:20 - [13] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Tora Bushido wrote: I'm no gank experts, but why arent anti gankers using 2 newbie chars to defend freighters ? Have one of your chars sit next to the freighter being bumped and have the second char gank the first char the moment you see the CODE fleet warp to the frieghter. Wont Concord be already there when they arrive and kill them all ? Have a few more guys do that and you wont even see the freighter, as its surrounded by Concord. No worries about killrights, as both are your own chars and security status you fix with tags. Just a thought. Would probably work better then reps, dps or ECM. What a great idea Tora. You earned your place up there with the great anti-ganker leaders, like DrisonBenningthon and JTClone Ares. Maybe they let you use their highsec jumpbridge network if you ask nicely. Our high sec jumpbridge network is for AG use only sorry,
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri new order logistics CODE. 373	Posted - 2016.02.12 21:29:39 - [14] - Quote Tora Bushido wrote: I'm no gank experts, but why arent anti gankers using 2 newbie chars to defend freighters ? Have one of your chars sit next to the freighter being bumped and have the second char gank the first char the moment you see the CODE fleet warp to the frieghter. Wont Concord be already there when they arrive and kill them all ? Have a few more guys do that and you wont even see the freighter, as its surrounded by Concord. No worries about killrights, as both are your own chars and security status you fix with tags. Just a thought. Would probably work better then reps, dps or ECM. Sounds like a funny little plan to screw with gankers, but CCP tanking takes less effort with higher efficiency.
Ozzie Udan Caldari Provisions Caldari State 86	Posted - 2016.02.12 21:48:38 - [15] - Quote Niris Atavuli wrote: I have been reading your post and was wondering if code. take any action against you, I hear stories of war dec'ing people who stand up to them and if they can ridicule some in the process all the better Not my way to play Eve, keep up the good work and look forward to reading more Good question, at first it was belittle ever thing I did, then strange alts would try to find out my main, they would even talk to me in local, now the chat has stopped, they don't comment on my post that often now, I take this as a good sign My AG work is effective, I have got people involved and doing stuff and things will change, both sides have spies but so what, you keep your main safe and do stuff or don't that's it really One thing I must say, remember what these people are capable of, they have had so many permanent ban player, say a lot don't you think.
John E Normus new order logistics CODE. 727	Posted - 2016.02.12 22:03:10 - [16] - Quote It doesn't work Tora. 1) They have to dedicate a character to do it. And we take very careful note of the characters who do it since recycling that kind of character, once they become criminals, is "not cool." 2) We might lose a few gankers to CONCORD right away but the bulk of the fleet will carry on as normal. To answer the other question. If you stay away from the ball of catalysts that land on the freighter we don't really care what you are doing. 10km is a good minimum safe distance. Ozzie is a fanboi now. He's passed the newbro hazing and hasn't done anything effective to warrant corrective action. I mean we still sit him at the kid's table in Uedama but he's practically family. nomad Oz Between Ignorance and Wisdom
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 3560	Posted - 2016.02.12 23:06:39 - [17] - Quote Good on you for experimenting and asking for advice. That's what emergent gameplay is all about. I've no specific advice for you, just encouragement to keep pushing the envelope so that CODE. will do the same thing. Conflict fuels innovation. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Tora Bushido EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 3204	Posted - 2016.02.12 23:37:12 - [18] - Quote Like I said, I'm no expert here. Just saying that if you want to win, you should put effort in it first.. Nothing is free. DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE ! Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII. TORA BUSHIDO FOR CSM XI
Jerry T Pepridge Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC. 724	Posted - 2016.02.12 23:44:51 - [19] - Quote FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: Good on you for experimenting and asking for advice. That's what emergent gameplay is all about. I've no specific advice for you, just encouragement to keep pushing the envelope so that CODE. will do the same thing. Conflict fuels innovation. this thanks for sharing @JerryTPepridge
Ozzie Udan Caldari Provisions Caldari State 90	Posted - 2016.02.13 06:26:25 - [20] - Quote John E Normus wrote: It doesn't work Tora. 1) They have to dedicate a character to do it. And we take very careful note of the characters who do it since recycling that kind of character, once they become criminals, is "not cool." 2) We might lose a few gankers to CONCORD right away but the bulk of the fleet will carry on as normal. To answer the other question. If you stay away from the ball of catalysts that land on the freighter we don't really care what you are doing. 10km is a good minimum safe distance. Ozzie is a fanboi now. He's passed the newbro hazing and hasn't done anything effective to warrant corrective action. I mean we still sit him at the kid's table in Uedama but he's practically family. nomad Oz Thinking about it I like this plan, please make an alt in Uedama ready to attack bumpers, if all we do is call concord so be it, and once we are all - 10 we fly as code fly, one day we might even kill a bumper our selfs Might make a Corp for this, any names come to mind let me know
Jade Vemane Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2016.02.13 06:38:11 - [21] - Quote Ozzie's suicide squad or OSS Tora did start the chat about it, what about TOSS BTW I'm an alt sign me up, this might be interesting
Tora Bushido EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 3208	Posted - 2016.02.13 10:16:35 - [22] - Quote OMG, we created a monster DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE ! Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII. TORA BUSHIDO FOR CSM XI
Avi Shekelstien new order logistics CODE. 98	Posted - 2016.02.13 19:51:48 - [23] - Quote Ozzie Udan wrote: John E Normus wrote: It doesn't work Tora. 1) They have to dedicate a character to do it. And we take very careful note of the characters who do it since recycling that kind of character, once they become criminals, is "not cool." 2) We might lose a few gankers to CONCORD right away but the bulk of the fleet will carry on as normal. To answer the other question. If you stay away from the ball of catalysts that land on the freighter we don't really care what you are doing. 10km is a good minimum safe distance. Ozzie is a fanboi now. He's passed the newbro hazing and hasn't done anything effective to warrant corrective action. I mean we still sit him at the kid's table in Uedama but he's practically family. nomad Oz Thinking about it I like this plan, please make an alt in Uedama ready to attack bumpers, if all we do is call concord so be it, and once we are all - 10 we fly as code fly, one day we might even kill a bumper our selfs Might make a Corp for this, any names come to mind let me know Good idea! Gank and pod a few bumpers and see if you can live at -10 like we do.
Nitshe Razvedka State War Academy Caldari State 462	Posted - 2016.02.14 05:42:43 - [24] - Quote What you CODE hoes doin here? Your Pimp James catches yo here an not on the streets selling, he be beating yo assss, he OWNES you!!!!!!! Now go make da MAN rich bittch Don't you be complainin yo get nuttin but aides n a sore but, yo part of HIS possie girl................ Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS. Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.
Morgan Agrivar Happy Endings Massage Parlor 283	Posted - 2016.02.14 10:40:22 - [25] - Quote Nitshe Razvedka wrote: What you CODE hoes doin here? Your Pimp James catches yo here an not on the streets selling, he be beating yo assss, he OWNES you!!!!!!! Now go make da MAN rich bittch Don't you be complainin yo get nuttin but aides n a sore but, yo part of HIS possie girl................ ...and this is the reason why Nancy Reagan said "No to drugs." Just something about me...
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 1309	Posted - 2016.02.14 11:07:39 - [26] - Quote Tora I am fascinated, prove to me that you can gank a bumper, just go and do it and show how great Marmite is and how fail AG's types are. You know you can do it... Ella's Snack bar. The Hisec sandbox is basically a themepark for gankers
Tora Bushido EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 3210	Posted - 2016.02.14 11:45:54 - [27] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Tora I am fascinated, prove to me that you can gank a bumper, just go and do it and show how great Marmite is and how fail AG's types are. You know you can do it... I would like to start by calling your forum replies fail. Proof to me you have brains. DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE ! Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII. TORA BUSHIDO FOR CSM XI
Nitshe Razvedka State War Academy Caldari State 464	Posted - 2016.02.14 12:59:29 - [28] - Quote Morgan Agrivar wrote: Nitshe Razvedka wrote: What you CODE hoes doin here? Your Pimp James catches yo here an not on the streets selling, he be beating yo assss, he OWNES you!!!!!!! Now go make da MAN rich bittch Don't you be complainin yo get nuttin but aides n a sore but, yo part of HIS possie girl................ ...and this is the reason why Nancy Reagan said "No to drugs." Nancy was a hoe n Ronald was a poof. Jane Wyman divorced Ronald Reagan in 1947 because of his homosexuality. Reagan had an affair with Randolph Scott in 1939. Reagan only got it up for a woman in a raping situation. Ronald Reagan raped a woman name Selene Walters in 1952 (See interview with Selene Walters in April 29, 1991, issue of People Magazine). Nancy Reagan was a whore in Hollywood during the 1940's and known for her oral sex skills (Read the book by Kitty Kelly on Nancy Reagan). In 1947, actors Robert Walker and Peter Lawford pulled a gang bang on Nancy Reagan, then Nancy Davis, in the back seat of a car (Read the book, "The Peter Lawford Story" by Christine Lawford. The first Lady in the USA is no bench mark of propriety. Nor is the Pres. Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS. Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 1309	Posted - 2016.02.14 13:54:44 - [29] - Quote Tora Bushido wrote: Dracvlad wrote: Tora I am fascinated, prove to me that you can gank a bumper, just go and do it and show how great Marmite is and how fail AG's types are. You know you can do it... I would like to start by calling your forum replies fail. Proof to me you have brains. Tora, You talked about how easy it is to gank bumpers, so lets see you match your words with effort, Yes I am fail, but are you? Ella's Snack bar. The Hisec sandbox is basically a themepark for gankers
Mobadder Thworst Wiking Brigade 852	Posted - 2016.02.14 18:00:16 - [30] - Quote I've never tried an anti-gank, but here is what I was thinking. You can fit 3 large smart bombs on a maller (if I remember correctly). I think that's a 10k range which should be sufficient. If you dueled a freighter you were escorting, you could try to hug it on the trip. Likelihood of getting yourself concorded if you activate I s high... But a ball of catalysis wouldn't enjoy smart bombs and you wouldn't start pulsing until the freighter is in trouble. I'm just spitballing here, would this work? Range-wise, would it make more sense to use mediums? I bet it would be a fun read no matter how it played out.
Symphony-Angel Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2016.02.15 00:22:11 - [31] - Quote Mobadder Thworst wrote: I've never tried an anti-gank, but here is what I was thinking. You can fit 3 large smart bombs on a maller (if I remember correctly). I think that's a 10k range which should be sufficient. If you dueled a freighter you were escorting, you could try to hug it on the trip. Likelihood of getting yourself concorded if you activate I s high... But a ball of catalysis wouldn't enjoy smart bombs and you wouldn't start pulsing until the freighter is in trouble. I'm just spitballing here, would this work? Range-wise, would it make more sense to use mediums? I bet it would be a fun read no matter how it played out. I used a maller with med smart bombs, I was lucky to be in the warp in spot of the gank fleet or just behind, the freighter was out of my range, the fleet had non flashies in so I waited until they opened fire, only got off two rounds with my bombs as the bump ship headed my way, AG had a lot of ships that night but my bombs got on 9 cata kills doing 10% damage or just over and some pods too, The gank failed haha with the hull at 25% which AG repped back up and went on its way I was lucky not to get concorded but then me watching for this cut my damage down, then did my 10% to 9 cata change things that much, does the damage you do before concord arrive add to the speed the gankers die When all said and done despite minerbumbing claims AG won and code Failed It did look very cool as my bombs went off I must say with cata's popping around me
Ozzie Udan Caldari Provisions Caldari State 91	Posted - 2016.02.15 00:55:49 - [32] - Quote A CODE. Fail never........... well done to all on that night, Saturday evening got very hot with a lot of freighter loss in Uedama, I was around for one fail gank and we stop them taking the loot from one drop for a long time, they even sent a gank fleet to kill us One guy upon seeing the cata fleet warp in said " guess this one's for us good luck all" several AG Ships went down but we still had their loot freighter locked and bumped, later they found a 2nd freighter pilot with balls this time who got the loot from right under our nose. Still not sure how he did that but we made them work for what ever was in the loot. A great evening of gaming experience for sure, Next time think I'll try remote rep and see how that pans out
Jerry T Pepridge Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC. 728	Posted - 2016.02.15 01:34:52 - [33] - Quote Ozzie Udan wrote: A CODE. Fail never........... well done to all on that night, Saturday evening got very hot with a lot of freighter loss in Uedama, I was around for one fail gank and we stop them taking the loot from one drop for a long time, they even sent a gank fleet to kill us One guy upon seeing the cata fleet warp in said " guess this one's for us good luck all" several AG Ships went down but we still had their loot freighter locked and bumped, later they found a 2nd freighter pilot with balls this time who got the loot from right under our nose. Still not sure how he did that but we made them work for what ever was in the loot. A great evening of gaming experience for sure, Next time think I'll try remote rep and see how that pans out take notes guys this is how to emergent gameplay @JerryTPepridge
Kaely Tanniss Addicted To Chaos Archetype. 543	Posted - 2016.02.15 04:35:49 - [34] - Quote Now isn't this precious If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
Tora Bushido EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 3213	Posted - 2016.02.15 13:46:16 - [35] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: You talked about how easy it is to gank bumpers, so lets see you match your words with effort, Yes I am fail, but are you? I didnt say it was easy, I said it shouldn't be easy, it should be hard work. So if you put effort in something, you should be rewarded. That being ganking and anti-ganking, as I like them both. It's good Eve content. DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE ! Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII. TORA BUSHIDO FOR CSM XI
Ro Fenrios Armilies Corporation 151	Posted - 2016.02.15 14:14:17 - [36] - Quote Nice to see AG starting to have some organization. Was just wondering would simple sacrificial tactics like ecm bursting ship or just spawning concord to the grid the moment you see gank fleet on grid help at all? Has anyone tried how well tracking disruption works also vs gank catalysts knowing their horribly low optimal range?
Ozzie Udan Caldari Provisions Caldari State 97	Posted - 2016.02.15 16:34:08 - [37] - Quote Ro Fenrios wrote: Nice to see AG starting to have some organization. Was just wondering would simple sacrificial tactics like ecm bursting ship or just spawning concord to the grid the moment you see gank fleet on grid help at all? Has anyone tried how well tracking disruption works also vs gank catalysts knowing their horribly low optimal range? We have to keep changing what we do as they keep changing, we start to pull Ships out of gank fleets after a gate jump, they wise up to this and start to counter it, we have lots of logistics on the field they then start to bump 2 or 3 freighters at once so we can cover all the targets We smart bomb they use non criminal pilots, we ew they eccm, some of it is how their pilots fly not ship fitting or skills Remember they are very good at what they do and have the advantage of numbers, we can stop a gank if we have got it right so they do the upmost to make sure we don't It's all part of the dance that can last 10 to 15 mins as people try to be at the right spot at the right moment , then it's over in seconds Don't get me wrong AG is hard work like the gank it's self must be, if you like it simple sit on the undock at Dodixe and kill pods
Dom Arkaral Gate Is Red Complaints Department 60	Posted - 2016.02.15 17:49:34 - [38] - Quote Tora Bushido wrote: OMG, we created a monster nah, just an idea that will last as long as the actual AG groups Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker I have no Honer (truly) Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche! Ich bin krank! (I don't speak German don't bother)
Nofear Alt Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 31	Posted - 2016.02.15 21:54:13 - [39] - Quote Tora Bushido wrote: Like I said, I'm no expert here. Just saying that if you want to win, you should put effort in it first.. Nothing is free. You are spot on about the effort - AG would probably only need to put half as much effort in as CODE to stop ganks (if they do it the right way) - big problem is that there is very little gain for AG, whereas lots of potential gain for CODE. If there was a mechanism to do "escort" missions - an amount in escrow until the freighter successfully made it from point A to point B then AG might be a much more viable option....and make it worthwhile for AG. And if it ever happens, then we will have CODE to thank for creating content ;-) Alt and proud
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 1844	Posted - 2016.02.16 18:07:13 - [40] - Quote The AG guys need a few machs and some practice. That's it. All this other hoo haw is foolish. Bump the mach w/ a pair of machs and the exercise is over. No need for heroic BB, smart bombing mallers or anything else. You need 3 guys w/ bumping skills and the correct ship. Disclaimer: This only works on the out gate when the freighter is trying to get into warp. If the freighter is on auto pilot approaching the gate (1) you can't save him (2) he's getting what he asked for.
Dom Arkaral Gate Is Red Complaints Department 65	Posted - 2016.02.16 18:23:36 - [41] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: The AG guys need a few machs and some practice. That's it. All this other hoo haw is foolish. Bump the mach w/ a pair of machs and the exercise is over. No need for heroic BB, smart bombing mallers or anything else. You need 3 guys w/ bumping skills and the correct ship. Disclaimer: This only works on the out gate when the freighter is trying to get into warp. If the freighter is on auto pilot approaching the gate (1) you can't save him (2) he's getting what he asked for. Have you ever bumped? If you did, you know that: 1- bumping AFK stuff is easy 2- bumping stuff that's moving faster than a freighter is harder 3- bumping a pro bumper is impossible before he lands a bump on his target Bumping is an art that only a handful master. And luckily for CODE., most are already with them Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker I have no Honer (truly) Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche! Ich bin krank! (I don't speak German don't bother)
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 1844	Posted - 2016.02.16 18:43:29 - [42] - Quote Dom Arkaral wrote: Serendipity Lost wrote: The AG guys need a few machs and some practice. That's it. All this other hoo haw is foolish. Bump the mach w/ a pair of machs and the exercise is over. No need for heroic BB, smart bombing mallers or anything else. You need 3 guys w/ bumping skills and the correct ship. Disclaimer: This only works on the out gate when the freighter is trying to get into warp. If the freighter is on auto pilot approaching the gate (1) you can't save him (2) he's getting what he asked for. Have you ever bumped? If you did, you know that: 1- bumping AFK stuff is easy 2- bumping stuff that's moving faster than a freighter is harder 3- bumping a pro bumper is impossible before he lands a bump on his target Bumping is an art that only a handful master. And luckily for CODE., most are already with them I've lived in wh since they were put in the game. Bumping folks off of wh so they can't escape is pretty common. It's not that hard and if you read closely "You need 3 guys w/ bumping skills and the correct ship." A little true story for you. One of my guys messed up a few weeks back. Was getting bumped by a mach in niarja in an orca. We brought in a total of 5 webs, which were all useless. Some white knight in a kronos got a bump on the mach and we were able to get the orca on its way. I can't speak to the WK's bumping skill as I don't know him. I can say that a kronos (yeah a motherfooking kronos) is totally the wrong ship to bump a mach. He pulled it off anyway (thanks man!!). Not to put your panties in wedgie formation or anything, but if a random HS dude in a kronos can derail a CODE bumper, then "Ain't all that difficult" is more probable than your "impossible". It's pretty easy to get a good bump on a mach when it's turning to make another run at the freighter. If you really truly believe that bumping is an art that only a handful master - don't come to wh space - you'll be quickly enlightened by most experienced players there.... err I mean come to wh space, you'll be perfectly fine orbiting that HS wh you're chained to for safety. Next you'll be telling me that a stabbed, cloaked, ecm burst, mjd DST is perfectly safe when escorted by a scout. https://zkillboard.com/kill/52057454/ It's just dumb to say something skill / effort related in eve is impossible.
Dom Arkaral Gate Is Red Complaints Department 65	Posted - 2016.02.16 18:48:54 - [43] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: Dom Arkaral wrote: Serendipity Lost wrote: The AG guys need a few machs and some practice. That's it. All this other hoo haw is foolish. Bump the mach w/ a pair of machs and the exercise is over. No need for heroic BB, smart bombing mallers or anything else. You need 3 guys w/ bumping skills and the correct ship. Disclaimer: This only works on the out gate when the freighter is trying to get into warp. If the freighter is on auto pilot approaching the gate (1) you can't save him (2) he's getting what he asked for. Have you ever bumped? If you did, you know that: 1- bumping AFK stuff is easy 2- bumping stuff that's moving faster than a freighter is harder 3- bumping a pro bumper is impossible before he lands a bump on his target Bumping is an art that only a handful master. And luckily for CODE., most are already with them I've lived in wh since they were put in the game. Bumping folks off of wh so they can't escape is pretty common. It's not that hard and if you read closely "You need 3 guys w/ bumping skills and the correct ship." A little true story for you. One of my guys messed up a few weeks back. Was getting bumped by a mach in niarja in an orca. We brought in a total of 5 webs, which were all useless. Some white knight in a kronos got a bump on the mach and we were able to get the orca on its way. I can't speak to the WK's bumping skill as I don't know him. I can say that a kronos (yeah a motherfooking kronos) is totally the wrong ship to bump a mach. He pulled it off anyway (thanks man!!). Not to put your panties in wedgie formation or anything, but if a random HS dude in a kronos can derail a CODE bumper, then "Ain't all that difficult" is more probable than your "impossible". It's pretty easy to get a good bump on a mach when it's turning to make another run at the freighter. If you really truly believe that bumping is an art that only a handful master - don't come to wh space - you'll be quickly enlightened by most experienced players there.... err I mean come to wh space, you'll be perfectly fine orbiting that HS wh you're chained to for safety. Next you'll be telling me that a stabbed, cloaked, ecm burst, mjd DST is perfectly safe when escorted by a scout. https://zkillboard.com/kill/52057454/ It's just dumb to say something skill / effort related in eve is impossible. Skill and AG don't go together Now get off your high horse because no one will bump a bumper for free And a bumper bumper is always a good target too Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker I have no Honer (truly) Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche! Ich bin krank! (I don't speak German don't bother)
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 14179	Posted - 2016.02.16 19:48:13 - [44] - Quote Dom Arkaral wrote: And a bumper bumper is always a good target too bumping a bumber bumper with another bumper ... Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Nofear Alt Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 32	Posted - 2016.02.16 20:26:11 - [45] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: The AG guys need a few machs and some practice. That's it. All this other hoo haw is foolish. Bump the mach w/ a pair of machs and the exercise is over. No need for heroic BB, smart bombing mallers or anything else. You need 3 guys w/ bumping skills and the correct ship. What do you think is going to happen if you put 3 machs on field???? Yep, goodbye mach(s)...... Alt and proud
Ozzie Udan Caldari Provisions Caldari State 101	Posted - 2016.02.16 22:02:27 - [46] - Quote Nofear Alt wrote: Serendipity Lost wrote: The AG guys need a few machs and some practice. That's it. All this other hoo haw is foolish. Bump the mach w/ a pair of machs and the exercise is over. No need for heroic BB, smart bombing mallers or anything else. You need 3 guys w/ bumping skills and the correct ship. What do you think is going to happen if you put 3 machs on field???? Yep, goodbye mach(s)...... If you pay much attention to their machs they tank them, also they can have 4 or 5 bumpers operating in the pipeline at one time, we need to watch their stations to and report about undocks and active fleet make ups, if people would listen to our intelligence they would have no targets, Most of you have good ideas which have been tried and work but only once or twice before they counter it, finding something that is fun to do for an evening is the key I think Going to try the "gank a bumper plan (concord calling)" over the next day or two, might even use catas just to see the damage we can do
Ginnie School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 126	Posted - 2016.02.16 22:41:40 - [47] - Quote Bump the bumping bumper to bumping bumper cars where he can bump all bumping night long It sounds plausible enough tonight, but wait until tomorrow. Wait for the common sense of the morning.
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 1845	Posted - 2016.02.17 16:50:30 - [48] - Quote Ozzie Udan wrote: Nofear Alt wrote: Serendipity Lost wrote: The AG guys need a few machs and some practice. That's it. All this other hoo haw is foolish. Bump the mach w/ a pair of machs and the exercise is over. No need for heroic BB, smart bombing mallers or anything else. You need 3 guys w/ bumping skills and the correct ship. What do you think is going to happen if you put 3 machs on field???? Yep, goodbye mach(s)...... If you pay much attention to their machs they tank them, also they can have 4 or 5 bumpers operating in the pipeline at one time, we need to watch their stations to and report about undocks and active fleet make ups, if people would listen to our intelligence they would have no targets, Most of you have good ideas which have been tried and work but only once or twice before they counter it, finding something that is fun to do for an evening is the key I think Going to try the "gank a bumper plan (concord calling)" over the next day or two, might even use catas just to see the damage we can do I'm not sure if you guys have ever been involved, but the mach working for the gankers is holding the freighter until the gank fleet assembles and gets there. It takes time. There aren't a bunch of gank ships already there just waiting. They would get concorded. So (sigh) once again. You can bump the mach - you have time - and again - you aren't going to save a pilot that is on auto pilot that is trying to slow boat to the gate. This would only work to save an active player trying to warp and he needs a friendly webber to spring him when the opportunity happens. It would be a team effort with an available webber. You can't just bump the mach and all will be good. This is a viable solution. Here's why it isn't used:* 1. freighter pilot is afk asking to be ganked 2. freighter pilot doesn't have a webbing buddy around to assist 3. freighter pilot isn't on comms to call for help in a meaningful timeframe. * It pretty much boils down to freighter pilots moving a lot of isk solo and pretending that's how the game works. To prevent ganks from starting: 1. scout ahead (don't jump into a system w/ a mach on the gate) 2. use side gates to systems like Niarja (yeah it's 2 more jumps, but the upside is you don't get ganked) 3. bring a webbing ship and try to beat the bumper if it comes to that Once the bumping starts: 1. get help quickly (this implies you are in an active corp, on comms and have corpies willing/able to help you) 2. get webbers in place next to the freighter 3. get a bump or two on that ebil ganker mach to buy some align time for your freighter 4. web that sucker into warp and off to freedom* 5. trick a buddy into jumping into system w/ a more valuable freighter to draw them off of you *knowing the right time to web takes practice to get the feel for when to apply webs for max effect (I don't recommend practicing in Niarja)
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 1324	Posted - 2016.02.18 08:11:41 - [49] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: I'm not sure if you guys have ever been involved, but the mach working for the gankers is holding the freighter until the gank fleet assembles and gets there. It takes time. There aren't a bunch of gank ships already there just waiting. They would get concorded. So (sigh) once again. You can bump the mach - you have time - and again - you aren't going to save a pilot that is on auto pilot that is trying to slow boat to the gate. This would only work to save an active player trying to warp and he needs a friendly webber to spring him when the opportunity happens. It would be a team effort with an available webber. You can't just bump the mach and all will be good. This is a viable solution. Here's why it isn't used:* 1. freighter pilot is afk asking to be ganked 2. freighter pilot doesn't have a webbing buddy around to assist 3. freighter pilot isn't on comms to call for help in a meaningful timeframe. * It pretty much boils down to freighter pilots moving a lot of isk solo and pretending that's how the game works. To prevent ganks from starting: 1. scout ahead (don't jump into a system w/ a mach on the gate) 2. use side gates to systems like Niarja (yeah it's 2 more jumps, but the upside is you don't get ganked) 3. bring a webbing ship and try to beat the bumper if it comes to that Once the bumping starts: 1. get help quickly (this implies you are in an active corp, on comms and have corpies willing/able to help you) 2. get webbers in place next to the freighter 3. get a bump or two on that ebil ganker mach to buy some align time for your freighter 4. web that sucker into warp and off to freedom* 5. trick a buddy into jumping into system w/ a more valuable freighter to draw them off of you knowing the right time to web takes practice to get the feel for when to apply webs for max effect (I don't recommend practicing in Niarja) Gank ships are stored in Kamio, which gives very nice cover of both choke points. 1. Not all freighter pilots are AFK 2. Most hisec players are casual so don't go mad on multiple accounts, or the freighter is from a 0.0 player 3. Most hisec players are in 1 man or NPC corps, so comms and help is not normal, also if 0.0 alliance calling for help in hisec is not going to get anything The game is a team game except when it is not or when it suits the gank play. 1. Choke systems..., also many of the people don't have multiple accounts so limited chance for scouts 2. They cover those gates too and will follow into Kaap in any case 3. Webbers are an issue for 1 man corps, NPC corps and casual players with one account, assuming Eve is a multi account game again or that having a corp with more than 1 man won't get a war dec is kinda meh 1. Implying that is where you are going wrong, what is hisec mostly made up of? 2. Webbers from where? Out of their butt magically? 3. Easier said then done, I have the advanatge over you in that I have actually done it, problem is that you found more Mach's turning up 4. Have to get the Webber to duel, thats a whole can of worms that one 5. Really what a great option that one, with so many Machs taht is two confirmed losses Webbing is easy, though its best to have a high level character do it, I used Dracvlad to web in a Loki with twin faction webs Your issue here is not looking at the reality of the prey and who is doing the ganking, you sort of get it in terms of this: Quote:* (this implies you are in an active corp, on comms and have corpies willing/able to help you) You can assume that this nearly never applies, hisec is a different eco system, but don't worry too much, a lot of those casual players are walking away anyway, that's fine they don't get Eve Ella's Snack bar. The Hisec sandbox is basically a themepark for gankers
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2256	Posted - 2016.02.18 08:16:17 - [50] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Dom Arkaral wrote: And a bumper bumper is always a good target too bumping a bumber bumper with another bumper ... Bumpception! the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 1847	Posted - 2016.02.18 12:38:08 - [51] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Serendipity Lost wrote: I'm not sure if you guys have ever been involved, but the mach working for the gankers is holding the freighter until the gank fleet assembles and gets there. It takes time. There aren't a bunch of gank ships already there just waiting. They would get concorded. So (sigh) once again. You can bump the mach - you have time - and again - you aren't going to save a pilot that is on auto pilot that is trying to slow boat to the gate. This would only work to save an active player trying to warp and he needs a friendly webber to spring him when the opportunity happens. It would be a team effort with an available webber. You can't just bump the mach and all will be good. This is a viable solution. Here's why it isn't used:* 1. freighter pilot is afk asking to be ganked 2. freighter pilot doesn't have a webbing buddy around to assist 3. freighter pilot isn't on comms to call for help in a meaningful timeframe. * It pretty much boils down to freighter pilots moving a lot of isk solo and pretending that's how the game works. To prevent ganks from starting: 1. scout ahead (don't jump into a system w/ a mach on the gate) 2. use side gates to systems like Niarja (yeah it's 2 more jumps, but the upside is you don't get ganked) 3. bring a webbing ship and try to beat the bumper if it comes to that Once the bumping starts: 1. get help quickly (this implies you are in an active corp, on comms and have corpies willing/able to help you) 2. get webbers in place next to the freighter 3. get a bump or two on that ebil ganker mach to buy some align time for your freighter 4. web that sucker into warp and off to freedom* 5. trick a buddy into jumping into system w/ a more valuable freighter to draw them off of you knowing the right time to web takes practice to get the feel for when to apply webs for max effect (I don't recommend practicing in Niarja) Gank ships are stored in Kamio, which gives very nice cover of both choke points. 1. Not all freighter pilots are AFK 2. Most hisec players are casual so don't go mad on multiple accounts, or the freighter is from a 0.0 player 3. Most hisec players are in 1 man or NPC corps, so comms and help is not normal, also if 0.0 alliance calling for help in hisec is not going to get anything The game is a team game except when it is not or when it suits the gank play. 1. Choke systems..., also many of the people don't have multiple accounts so limited chance for scouts 2. They cover those gates too and will follow into Kaap in any case 3. Webbers are an issue for 1 man corps, NPC corps and casual players with one account, assuming Eve is a multi account game again or that having a corp with more than 1 man won't get a war dec is kinda meh 1. Implying that is where you are going wrong, what is hisec mostly made up of? 2. Webbers from where? Out of their butt magically? 3. Easier said then done, I have the advanatge over you in that I have actually done it, problem is that you find more Mach's turning up 4. Have to get the Webber to duel, thats a whole can of worms that one 5. Really what a great option that one, with so many Machs taht is two confirmed losses Webbing is easy, though its best to have a high level character do it, I used Dracvlad to web in a Loki with twin faction webs Your issue here is not looking at the reality of the prey and who is doing the ganking, you sort of get it in terms of this: Quote:* (this implies you are in an active corp, on comms and have corpies willing/able to help you) You can assume that this nearly never applies, hisec is a different eco system, but don't worry too much, a lot of those casual players are walking away anyway, that's fine they don't get Eve Sorry to bin you w/ out bothering to look you up (I'm pretty sure you've done the same to me), but I think it's cute that you're explaining eve to me. I'll just leave it at that.
Ozzie Udan Caldari Provisions Caldari State 103	Posted - 2016.02.18 13:01:02 - [52] - Quote Those last to long post gave me a new idea, at times when bumpers are about we could pre-gank a bumper as a freighter pilot drops gate clock, that's the danger time for them It would need the freighter pilot to be at keyboard and want to talk to us but that could work, just the timer to wait out for the next bumper gank Feed back on that please
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 7286	Posted - 2016.02.20 07:59:12 - [53] - Quote Tora Bushido wrote: I'm no gank experts, but why arent anti gankers using 2 newbie chars to defend freighters ? Have one of your chars sit next to the freighter being bumped and have the second char gank the first char the moment you see the CODE fleet warp to the frieghter. Wont Concord be already there when they arrive and kill them all ? Have a few more guys do that and you wont even see the freighter, as its surrounded by Concord. No worries about killrights, as both are your own chars and security status you fix with tags. Just a thought. Would probably work better then reps, dps or ECM. Isn't Concord baiting rather frowned upon? Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Church Lady Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2016.02.20 08:04:01 - [54] - Quote Kaely Tanniss wrote: Now isn't this precious the correct word is"special" and stay on your side of the street you deviant.
Dom Arkaral Gate Is Red Complaints Department 71	Posted - 2016.02.20 08:08:00 - [55] - Quote Church Lady wrote: Kaely Tanniss wrote: Now isn't this precious the correct word is"special" and stay on your side of the street you deviant. lol little alt is mad eh? must be sad to fail all day everyday Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker I have no Honer (truly) Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche! Ich bin krank! (I don't speak German don't bother)
Kaely Tanniss Addicted To Chaos Archetype. 543	Posted - 2016.02.20 09:03:17 - [56] - Quote Church Lady wrote: Kaely Tanniss wrote: Now isn't this precious the correct word is"special" and stay on your side of the street you deviant. Oooo...deviant. Be careful with the big words..wouldn't want to hurt yourself Oh..and in case you weren't aware..on C&P..post with your main or gtfo If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 1329	Posted - 2016.02.20 09:50:08 - [57] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: Sorry to bin you w/ out bothering to look you up (I'm pretty sure you've done the same to me), but I think it's cute that you're explaining eve to me. I'll just leave it at that. I have read a lot of your posts and agree with much of what you say, my post was more to ram home the obvious points to others not you. Of course we have a different view point, but in some areas I agree with your posts a lot, you might have seen my name pop up a number of times liking your posts. For what it is worth you are a poster that I read because you do make very good points. Ella's Snack bar. The Hisec sandbox is basically a themepark for gankers
Ozzie Udan Caldari Provisions Caldari State 114	Posted - 2016.02.20 10:51:20 - [58] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Tora Bushido wrote: I'm no gank experts, but why arent anti gankers using 2 newbie chars to defend freighters ? Have one of your chars sit next to the freighter being bumped and have the second char gank the first char the moment you see the CODE fleet warp to the frieghter. Wont Concord be already there when they arrive and kill them all ? Have a few more guys do that and you wont even see the freighter, as its surrounded by Concord. No worries about killrights, as both are your own chars and security status you fix with tags. Just a thought. Would probably work better then reps, dps or ECM. Isn't Concord baiting rather frowned upon? Concord baiting may be frowned upon, that's why I think it should be bumper ganking at which point Concord will still turn up to stop us, down side we get a kill right on us, our aim to put the bumper off to help freighter get away and one day kill bumper too
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 1330	Posted - 2016.02.20 11:05:23 - [59] - Quote Ozzie Udan wrote: Those last to long post gave me a new idea, at times when bumpers are about we could pre-gank a bumper as a freighter pilot drops gate clock, that's the danger time for them It would need the freighter pilot to be at keyboard and want to talk to us but that could work, just the timer to wait out for the next bumper gank Feed back on that please I would suggest you have a chat with Jennifer en Marland about ganking bumpers, that player has ganked a number of bumpers. I had fleeted up with her once to try to gank one, but there was two Macherials and we needed to get three Talos's on them as they had fitted a tank of sorts and it was too difficult to pull off. Ganking a very fast moving BS is not the same as ganking a freighter. The only time you can really pull it off is catching them at the gate, but your timing has to be perfect otherwise they will jump through and you will make them very happy. So people say yeah gank the bumpers, but its easier said then done which is why I said to Tora lets see you do it ,and not to my surprise he made an excuse and did not put his money where his mouth was, I make it quite clear in my response, I was not able to gank a Macherial and admitted that I had failed. Ella's Snack bar. The Hisec sandbox is basically a themepark for gankers
Ozzie Udan Caldari Provisions Caldari State 115	Posted - 2016.02.21 08:06:25 - [60] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Ozzie Udan wrote: Those last to long post gave me a new idea, at times when bumpers are about we could pre-gank a bumper as a freighter pilot drops gate clock, that's the danger time for them It would need the freighter pilot to be at keyboard and want to talk to us but that could work, just the timer to wait out for the next bumper gank Feed back on that please I would suggest you have a chat with Jennifer en Marland about ganking bumpers, that player has ganked a number of bumpers. I had fleeted up with her once to try to gank one, but there was two Macherials and we needed to get three Talos's on them as they had fitted a tank of sorts and it was too difficult to pull off. Ganking a very fast moving BS is not the same as ganking a freighter. The only time you can really pull it off is catching them at the gate, but your timing has to be perfect otherwise they will jump through and you will make them very happy. EDIT You could keep an eye on intel for other ganks and hope that the Mach pilot is also flying a gank Catalyst at the same time so you can get the drop on him. So people say yeah gank the bumpers, but its easier said then done which is why I said to Tora lets see you do it ,and not to my surprise he made an excuse and did not put his money where his mouth was, I make it quite clear in my response, I was not able to gank a Macherial and admitted that I had failed. Thxs for information, my attack plan doesn't have just one goal, 1st it has 2 areas to operate in, at the gate, to work with the freighter pilot as a diversion as he drops gate clock. Other area at the bump site. The gate scenario is simple to give high value targets better odds at getting into warp, down side we die fast to gate guns and diversion needs to be planned Bump site, to try and kill bumper or hold him so freighter can get away, if we fail, concord will be on site and if our timing is right the gank fleet will be on its way, higher chance of a gank fail with concord around Feed back always welcome, it's all about learning what works and how
Zakhar 'Bira Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2016.02.21 09:53:10 - [61] - Quote Tora, need a class on anti-ganking? This won't be the first time I've run one.
Kaely Tanniss Addicted To Chaos Archetype. 545	Posted - 2016.02.21 23:01:15 - [62] - Quote Zakhar 'Bira wrote: Tora, need a class on anti-ganking? This won't be the first time I've run one. Oh..so you're the one to blame for AG's ineffectiveness. In all seriousness, there isn't much to teach when it comes to concord whoring. Teach them how to do something without concord..then you may gain some repect from the gankers as well as others. After all..it's all about content..and there's nothing they love more than good content. If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
Ozzie Udan Caldari Provisions Caldari State 117	Posted - 2016.02.21 23:16:09 - [63] - Quote Kaely Tanniss wrote: Zakhar 'Bira wrote: Tora, need a class on anti-ganking? This won't be the first time I've run one. Oh..so you're the one to blame for AG's ineffectiveness. In all seriousness, there isn't much to teach when it comes to concord whoring. Teach them how to do something without concord..then you may gain some repect from the gankers as well as others. After all..it's all about content..and there's nothing they love more than good content. Not sure I do this for the respect of gankers, and I'm cool not having the respect of Dodixie station campers, not so ineffective this afternoon, we did very well thxs,
Dom Arkaral Gate Is Red Complaints Department 71	Posted - 2016.02.22 03:46:35 - [64] - Quote Ozzie Udan wrote: Kaely Tanniss wrote: Zakhar 'Bira wrote: Tora, need a class on anti-ganking? This won't be the first time I've run one. Oh..so you're the one to blame for AG's ineffectiveness. In all seriousness, there isn't much to teach when it comes to concord whoring. Teach them how to do something without concord..then you may gain some repect from the gankers as well as others. After all..it's all about content..and there's nothing they love more than good content. Not sure I do this for the respect of gankers, and I'm cool not having the respect of Dodixie station campers, not so ineffective this afternoon, we did very well thxs, You sound like one salty AG lol Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker I have no Honer (truly) Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche! Ich bin krank! (I don't speak German don't bother)
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 1852	Posted - 2016.02.22 16:00:30 - [65] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Serendipity Lost wrote: Sorry to bin you w/ out bothering to look you up (I'm pretty sure you've done the same to me), but I think it's cute that you're explaining eve to me. I'll just leave it at that. I have read a lot of your posts and agree with much of what you say, my post was more to ram home the obvious points to others not you. Of course we have a different view point, but in some areas I agree with your posts a lot, you might have seen my name pop up a number of times liking your posts. For what it is worth you are a poster that I read because you do make very good points. Thanks, I'd put you on our corp blue list, but we don't actually have one.
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 1333	Posted - 2016.02.23 06:58:45 - [66] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: Dracvlad wrote: Serendipity Lost wrote: Sorry to bin you w/ out bothering to look you up (I'm pretty sure you've done the same to me), but I think it's cute that you're explaining eve to me. I'll just leave it at that. I have read a lot of your posts and agree with much of what you say, my post was more to ram home the obvious points to others not you. Of course we have a different view point, but in some areas I agree with your posts a lot, you might have seen my name pop up a number of times liking your posts. For what it is worth you are a poster that I read because you do make very good points. Thanks, I'd put you on our corp blue list, but we don't actually have one. Glad to hear you don't have a blue list Ella's Snack bar. The Hisec sandbox is basically a themepark for gankers
Tarojan Tarojan Corporation 219	Posted - 2016.02.23 13:18:25 - [67] - Quote Interesting to see AG seems to be getting more effective from Gorila Vengaza gankerbumping days. more content is good. Will gank for food
Saskia Laru the 57th Overlanders Brigade Cede Nullis 78	Posted - 2016.02.23 14:25:44 - [68] - Quote Tarojan wrote: Interesting to see AG seems to be getting more effective from Gorila Vengaza gankerbumping days. more content is good. What ever happened to Gorila? His page was updated once early last year and has been dormant since. And I don't think I've seen him pop up in any of the channels. He was always good at stirring the pot, no matter which side he was on.
Nitshe Razvedka State War Academy Caldari State 521	Posted - 2016.02.23 14:47:29 - [69] - Quote Saskia Laru wrote: Tarojan wrote: Interesting to see AG seems to be getting more effective from Gorila Vengaza gankerbumping days. more content is good. What ever happened to Gorila? His page was updated once early last year and has been dormant since. And I don't think I've seen him pop up in any of the channels. He was always good at stirring the pot, no matter which side he was on. Your right, the current cohort of James315 monkey boys are hapless jokes, when they infrequently appear on the forums they display delicate ego's and scurry off with the slightest critique. Must be a reflection of this new whiny entitled generation. But hey I'm always delicate with these sensitive CODE petals. Gankers have souls. Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS. Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.
Zakhar 'Bira Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2016.02.24 04:02:04 - [70] - Quote Kaely Tanniss wrote: Zakhar 'Bira wrote: Tora, need a class on anti-ganking? This won't be the first time I've run one. Oh..so you're the one to blame for AG's ineffectiveness. In all seriousness, there isn't much to teach when it comes to concord whoring. Teach them how to do something without concord..then you may gain some repect from the gankers as well as others. After all..it's all about content..and there's nothing they love more than good content. Eh, no, Gorila got there first =P
Nitshe Razvedka State War Academy Caldari State 566	Posted - 2016.03.04 13:35:54 - [71] - Quote Another stake through codies heart. Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS. Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.

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