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Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.03 02:23:00 - [181] Pets are not on the map. I can just imagine the anguish: Quote: Oh dear god! We are not on the map! When we play every day and look at the map, we are not there! Oh whatever shall we do! We cannot not look at the map and not feel a sense of not being in the map because we are not in the map! Is life worth living if we are not in the map? Oh woe! To the OP, I get your initial line of "I am Spartacus!" and it's clear you think you are in a crusade to wake the alliances that live in BoB regions to throw off the chains of slavery (and get on the map!). Unfortunately, the truth of the matter is, we're the best landlords in EVE. BoB regions are arguably safer than empire. We are less intrusive than CONCORD, and we also have the uncanny ability of picking very good "pets". Everyone that lives in our regions are rather pleasant folk. We are conquering EVE to bring ORDER, DISCIPLINE, and DYNAMISM. Those living in our areas get to observe how BoB works. They are free to adopt the good, and reject the bad, thus make improvements to how they operate in relative safety. It is a business deal where all of EVE is free to apply to use the vast untapped resources we manage, and we as landlords are free to choose who we want to work with. They are also free to leave. We do not force them to stay in our regions. In fact, they can declare war on us if they want to. Since they don't have significant structures in BoB space, there's little they can lose if we attack them. Let us assume that you succeed and convince the "pets" to rise up against us. I think that would be interesting. At the very least it would allow me to go: Quote: Why, old chap. I do think that our pets are revolting. Oh really? Well, in some ways the idea of pets has been quite revolting to begin with. I reckon you're being obtuse. Wouldn't you agree that the play of words was quite funny in an unfunny sort of way? Not really.
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.03 02:26:00 - [182] Thats why you are ******* off fix, taking systems from them in querious ?
Torshin TARDZ Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.02.03 02:40:00 - [183] no point in rising up against bob. We would gain nothing from it. BOB has treated us with nothing but honor and respect. They are upfront and civil and always willing to help us whenever a problem may arise. ----------------------------------------------- Offical Tardz Poo-litical Anal-yst
Droewa Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 03:48:00 - [184] What's so bad about being a pet? I get food and water, a warm place to sleep. and if im lucky when i kill people like the author of the OP in this thread. BOB will give me a treat and a nice scratch behind my ears. /me purrs.. .
LordZer00 Caldari Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 04:14:00 - [185] Everyone is someone elses puppet. Its all about knowing who is pulling the strings.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.03 04:19:00 - [186] Edited by: Nez Perces on 03/02/2007 04:19:10 Originally by: Droewa What's so bad about being a pet? I get food and water, a warm place to sleep. and if im lucky when i kill people like the author of the OP in this thread. BOB will give me a treat and a nice scratch behind my ears. /me purrs.. . heh that would be funny .. if it weren't true you are probably not gonna believe this.. but I cancelled my account yesterday and on complete impulse I reactivated it today.. and the primer was this thread. I guess CCP should thank Rennard for an extra month of my subscription fee I used to be a FIX JCoS (Joint Chief of Staff)... and I am going to go on record to say that it makes me very sad to see FIX still living under BoB's rule. How long ago is it now that CODA ended, how much more rebuilding will FIX need to do before casting off the chains of serfdom? I think we all know the answer and that answer is never.... any chances FIX have had to paddle thier own canoe have come and gone. Take Xelas for example.. how long ago did they take the offer from BoB to setup shop in Fountain after they were kicked out of the north.. 2 years? .. something like that. The end of the CODA war was nearly a year ago... and as Droewa mockingly admitted, FIX are quite comfy where they are. The key to all of this is Joshua's EVE-Online map. It gets underestimated at every turn, even by the mapmaker himself... but not by BoB. The EVE-Online map is the live indicator of who is who. Who is going places and who isn't. And by "going places" I mean who is actually partaking in the game mechanics to their fullest and who is going to achieve something with them. By not having a stake on the EVE-Online map, alliances do not have available to them some of the most powerful mechanisms of all in terms of Alliance development >>>> A place on the eve-online map is one of the most powerful diplomatic and recruitment tools available. It proclaims in no uncertain terms that an alliance has earnt the right to exist on the big stage. Alliances that live under another's rule, but with no presence on Joshua's map will experience a slow brain drain in terms of PVP'ers, FC's and general talent towards their host alliance or other alliances that have better status. E.G Admentus Corvion leaving Black Avatar for MC.... I think you get the picture. (N.B - Merc alliances are different in this respect as their goals and PR methods are in a different category) At the birth of FIX there was a video made by a certain FIX pilot, Afecks. It was a spirit rousing piece about how the alliance forged its own destiny and garnerd the motto "Forged in Conflict". At the end of the movie there was a slogan which crystallised the impetus which would guide FIX for much of its existance: "We will govern ourselves". What happened to that?.... maybe its time to ditch the FIX name and go with a new alliance name.... your new sigs should do the trick. Most of the people who get worked up the most about the whole FIX-pet thing are ex-FIXians who feel sick everytime they are reminded that the FIX name, once proud and independent now exists as satellite alliance to BoB. Myself included.. and I am one of BoB's biggest fanboi's .. I love those guys ^^.... FIX on the other hand need to stand on thier own two feet or really ditch the name.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 04:22:00 - [187] Originally by: Exortius Amarrus Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor I am glad some Fixians decided to finally post their sigs. I have been bugging them about it. But, I am truely disappointed. FIX has been sporting these sigs for a few days now and I still do not have one. I blame the TCWS guys . . . Yeah . . . . that's it . . . the TCWS guys. Someone told me you already had a muppet in your sig...
Mahrin Skel Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 05:06:00 - [188] Originally by: Nez Perces What happened to that?.... maybe its time to ditch the FIX name and go with a new alliance name.... your new sigs should do the trick. Most of the people who get worked up the most about the whole FIX-pet thing are ex-FIXians who feel sick everytime they are reminded that the FIX name, once proud and independent now exists as satellite alliance to BoB. Myself included.. and I am one of BoB's biggest fanboi's .. I love those guys ^^.... FIX on the other hand need to stand on thier own two feet or really ditch the name. You had your chance to stay. You, are not "feeling sick" because the once proud FIX ticker now flies in space claimed by BoB. You're having your nose rubbed in the fact that after abandoning us to die in an avalanche you and your cronies triggered, we insisted on living. Hide behind rationalizations of "Well, if you're not on the alliance map, you're not really alive" the same way you used to trumpet how we lived out of BoB owned stations and had none of our own. Pretend to yourself that your predictions of the death of FIX after we rejected making you Dictator were only premature, not flat out wrong. Gloss over your public glee at the hammering we took in CODA (this is what, the 5th time you've said we should drop the FIX ticker?). We live. We grow. We are, at heart, the same band of squabbling, independant, obstinate individualists that has always been the FIX nature, both our greatest weakness and our greatest strength. Sorry if our failure to die is a living reminder of your malfeasance and cowardice, but don't try to pretend that you're some kind of noble hero for running, and we're cowards for staying. --Dave
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.03 05:17:00 - [189] Originally by: Nez Perces Outdated drivel Nez, actually get involved again. You would be surprised. Right now you are ignorant, in the true meaning of the word. Seriously, you're quite wrong about our current view of FIX and our relationship with them. If you want to influence it get back into FIX or get into BoB and actually have some input. I think you'd be remarkably surprised. Blog
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.03 06:21:00 - [190] Mahrin/Dave...either you do not know your history in the slightest or you are frothing at the mouth too much to realise that what you have posted is riddled with complete garbage. For the sake of historical accuracy and having a factual context within which to discourse I will correct you. Originally by: Mahrin Skel You had your chance to stay. You are mistaken.... I was a FIX JCoS twice. My first term extended from being the primary instigator for the birth of the QDF, pre-dating the birth of FIX till the period after the birth of North vs South. I left a week after the declaration of war from Forsaken Empire (the alliance). FIX was in pretty good shape all things considered the FE war was a walk in the park. I left because for the upteenth time the FIX Council proved to be completely inefectual at assisting with the running of the alliance. (The details of which are too complex for this reply). That day the FIX Council tore its own rule book up to satisfy the ego's of a few Councillors. FIX still had a healthy balance of quality FC's the first time I left, with no impending threats on the horizon. My second term was shortly after Wraithstorm was forced to take leave of absence, shortly after the SA civil war when FIX regained Catch through diplomatic means. I left due to RL reasons. Originally by: Mahrin Skel You, are not "feeling sick" because the once proud FIX ticker now flies in space claimed by BoB. You're having your nose rubbed in the fact that after abandoning us to die in an avalanche you and your cronies triggered, we insisted on living. I'm not sure you are even talking about me here... my cronies? who were they? I abandoned nobody to die. Both times I stepped down as a JCoS (Joint Chief of Staff) FIX was in relatively decent shape, at the end of my second term FIX still had possession of Catch and no corps had jumped ship. Originally by: Mahrin Skel Hide behind rationalizations of "Well, if you're not on the alliance map, you're not really alive" the same way you used to trumpet how we lived out of BoB owned stations and had none of our own. Pretend to yourself that your predictions of the death of FIX after we rejected making you Dictator were only premature, not flat out wrong. Gloss over your public glee at the hammering we took in CODA (this is what, the 5th time you've said we should drop the FIX ticker?). Again I don't know who you are talking about with this "Dictator" stuff.. maybe you are talking about Corporal Hicks. As for CODA I was sad that the CODA war worked out the way it did. In fact IMO it should never have happened in the first place. After the SA civil war it was high time that FIX buried the hatchet with SA.... furthermore the eventual fighting with Huzzah displayed a huge lack of foresight.. kindred alliances like Huzzah and FIX should not have been fighting with eachother. If you want to blame somebody for the start of the CODA war blame the JCoS of the day.. Pphearr/Gimp or Gritt Pebbledasher. One of my last major actions as a JCoS was to actually aid SA when G and Iron invaded Paragon Soul.. we had started to build a good relationship with them and FIX should have built on that. If you don't believe me, ask Abriana Overlord. I had already stepped down by the time the decisions leading to the coda war were taken. Originally by: Mahrin Skel We are, at heart, the same band of squabbling, independant, obstinate individualists that has always been the FIX nature, both our greatest weakness and our greatest strength. Sorry if our failure to die is a living reminder of your malfeasance and cowardice, but don't try to pretend that you're some kind of noble hero for running, and we're cowards for staying. --Dave I'll ignore the blatant and completely groundlessd flame here and say that yes FIX may still be obstinate and squabbling... but independent?.... we must have very different definitions of that word.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.03 06:33:00 - [191] Edited by: Nez Perces on 03/02/2007 06:32:27 Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Nez Perces Outdated drivel Nez, actually get involved again. You would be surprised. Right now you are ignorant, in the true meaning of the word. Seriously, you're quite wrong about our current view of FIX and our relationship with them. If you want to influence it get back into FIX or get into BoB and actually have some input. I think you'd be remarkably surprised. Lets say I am ignorant... it is quite feasible considering the length of my inactivity and the fact that I do not peruse the FIX forums. However, you do know that I follow COAD quite closely, and a LOT can be read from within the lines... anybody who knows EVE politics can tell you that. I digress..... I am sure the BoB <> FIX relationship is mutually beneficial (depending on FIX's goals ofc).. certainly BoB get what they want.. you have the firepower to obtain it. You may see what I wrote as outdated drivel... perhaps.. but you have to understand from where FIX came from in the beginning to realise that it may not be all that outdated. The feelings I hold, you will find in many an ex-FIXians all over EVE. A whole alliance in the north formed out of this very same feeling. You know I have a lot of respect for BoB. But answer me this, in principle, what is the intrinsic difference between the relationship between FIX and BoB and the relationship between the new tennants in Feythabalis for example? BoB owns the land..... those in Feyth pay rent, FIX pay tribute in other ways e.g military presence. BoB still owns the land... and I don't mean sovereignty I mean Joshua's map. If I am wrong, enlighten me.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.03 06:41:00 - [192] Originally by: Nez Perces But answer me this, in principle, what is the intrinsic difference between the relationship between FIX and BoB and the relationship between the new tennants in Feythabolis for example? Nez, there are multiple layers to this answer, you will work them out I am sure but if you struggle feel free to convo me. The fact that you have to ask speaks volumes. Don't take that at face value because there are a lot of points in that sentence BL Blog
Weird Beard	Posted - 2007.02.03 06:56:00 - [193] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Nez Perces Outdated drivel Nez, actually get involved again. If you want to influence it get back into FIX or get into BoB and actually have some input. NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! I used to like you Blacklight. The FIX council actually gets along these days. There aren't shadowy backroom politics. There aren't egomaniacal statements coming down from high command. Well...Zang, but thats another story. I'd rather shave my beard, roll it in turds, wrap it in the FIX charter and smoke it, then join Curse Alliance, than see that wingnut in our alliance EVER AGAIN. C'mon...dropping money to re-up an account just to use forums? Just to throw more mud at the alliance he left behind and his corp abandoned? I'm an Ex-JCoS too. I was a councillor during Nez's endgame. Unless there have been thousands of rubles spent on a good therapist and he can get over the lingering vendetta that he's carried against FIX for surviving without him. Thanks...but no thanks. Can't he go play with Outbreak?
Wierd Beard Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 06:59:00 - [194] Ack! Well, I guess the world knows my super secret alt name.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.03 07:09:00 - [195] Edited by: Nez Perces on 03/02/2007 07:06:44 Originally by: Weird Beard I'm an Ex-JCoS too. I was a councillor during Nez's endgame. Unless there have been thousands of rubles spent on a good therapist and he can get over the lingering vendetta that he's carried against FIX for surviving without him. Thanks...but no thanks. Can't he go play with Outbreak? Thats a crock of cow dung WB, my issues with FIX have nothing to do with wether FIX is doing well or not.. infact it would please me greatly to see FIX up on its own two feet claiming its own space some time in the future and for it to regain some of its former status as one of the more powerful entities in EVE. Do I still care about FIX?... yes I do.. enough to reactivate my account to make a forum post... I can't help it, I sunk so much time into FIX that its a part of me..... I feel kind of dirty saying that... as this is a game and all that.. but thats EVE, you get emotionally attatched to stuff in-game.... whether that is sane or not is another matter. The gripe I have with FIX is two-fold.... 1. Avernus.... on account of what happened that fateful day with the FIX Council when Corporal hicks held the alliance to ransom and the FIX Council let him get away with it. Avernus is still running things so yeah I still have a gripe on that issue.. and the fact that FIX in its current state allows more leeway to its Chairman/JCoS.. than was ever allowed when I was in office. And for the fact that I am demonized within FIX for all the wrong reasons.. yeah that ****es me off. 2. The other gripe is that FIX lives an another's land, when the implicit goal of FIX at its foundation was to be an independent entity living with a legitimate claim on a piece of space to call its home. So if you are gonna demonise me and paint me doolally at least do it for the right reasons.. not some you fabricated to amuse your peers.
Wierd Beard Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 07:30:00 - [196] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 03/02/2007 07:06:44 Originally by: Weird Beard I'm an Ex-JCoS too. I was a councillor during Nez's endgame. Unless there have been thousands of rubles spent on a good therapist and he can get over the lingering vendetta that he's carried against FIX for surviving without him. Thanks...but no thanks. Can't he go play with Outbreak? Thats a crock of cow dung WB, my issues with FIX have nothing to do with wether FIX is doing well or not.. infact it would please me greatly to see FIX up on its own two feet claiming its own space some time in the future and for it to regain some of its former status as one of the more powerful entities in EVE. Do I still care about FIX?... yes I do.. enough to reactivate my account to make a forum post... I can't help it, I sunk so much time into FIX that its a part of me..... I feel kind of dirty saying that... as this is a game and all that.. but thats EVE, you get emotionally attatched to stuff in-game.... whether that is sane or not is another matter. The gripe I have with FIX is two-fold.... 1. Avernus.... on account of what happened that fateful day with the FIX Council when Corporal hicks held the alliance to ransom and the FIX Council let him get away with it. Avernus is still running things so yeah I still have a gripe on that issue.. and the fact that FIX in its current state allows more leeway to its Chairman/JCoS.. than was ever allowed when I was in office. And for the fact that I am demonized within FIX for all the wrong reasons.. yeah that ****es me off. 2. The other gripe is that FIX lives an another's land, when the implicit goal of FIX at its foundation was to be an independent entity living with a legitimate claim on a piece of space to call its home. So if you are gonna demonise me and paint me doolally at least do it for the right reasons.. not some you fabricated to amuse your peers. Kk. Fair points. But to your first point. Thats some pretty old stuff. And it seems that it would be between you and another player. Not the alliance. Alot of our guys are clueless as to why theres such strong feelings about the old days. But to your second point. You had to live it to understand it. Easter Egg gone, Catch lost, 3BK and H74 lost. Hemmoraging members faster than rats can leave a burning ship. 9cg was gone. Done. Toast. It just required the time to shoot at it. And BoB offered us a lifeline. If you've got a gang of 10 guys beating the crap out of you, your friends either unable or unwilling to help you. But someone steps up, beats the guys off of your back and offers you his hand in friendship. Should you spit on the guy and just die in the mud? I do appreciate your view of the glowing days of yore, when alliances were small, POSs didn't exist, and we were young strapping lads ready to take on the world alone. But times change. FIX has changed quite literally. New corps in. Old corps out. And the events of the last two years molding us into new forms. Is it absurd to be proud of what our guys have achieved? Bringing one of the oldest alliances back to life from the ashes? Instead of ignobly slinking to empire to become one of those dead alliances that bandwagoned us? I'll tell ya one thing. One thing hasn't changed since I've been in FIX. I'm DAMN proud of our guys. Each and every one. They are the true spirit of FIX. Not ex-leaders (that includes me). Not even current leaders. It's the guys who log in every day to build battleships, bust rocks and bust a cap in our enemies. As long as they believe in FIX, we cannot die. And as long as they are willing to keep fighting the good fight, I'll be standing alongside the loyal brothers who believe in the same thing I do. I believe in FIX.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.03 07:43:00 - [197] Originally by: Wierd Beard [ I'll tell ya one thing. One thing hasn't changed since I've been in FIX. I'm DAMN proud of our guys. Each and every one. They are the true spirit of FIX. Not ex-leaders (that includes me). Not even current leaders. It's the guys who log in every day to build battleships, bust rocks and bust a cap in our enemies. As long as they believe in FIX, we cannot die. And as long as they are willing to keep fighting the good fight, I'll be standing alongside the loyal brothers who believe in the same thing I do. I believe in FIX. Well that was what FIX was always about, the people irrespective of rank that put in the effort every day to make it happen. Cause living in 0.0 and holding your head above water requires substantial effort from everybody. Look.... you guys do what you do for a reason...and yes I have to admit that you do have much to be proud of considering the situation you found yourselves in at the end of the CODA war. You took decisions, which I personally could not have done... (simply out of pride)... but thats another matter. The only thing that I would venture to say is that, to honestly carry the FIX name forward there has to be a stage at which the claiming of 0.0 happens again... and I mean the proper claiming of 0.0 map and all. Comfort breeds inertia..... I guess the question is ... does FIX want to be in the same situation a year from now??...... still unable to claim its own piece of 0.0 And if FIX still holds even a shread of what galvanised its conception in the first place the answer to that question has to be no.
Liet Traep Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.03 07:50:00 - [198] Originally by: Aero089 Everyone that doesn't know FIX calls us pets, I suppose so. Mindless propaganda like this crap you keep posting is the main cause of that. If everyone outside of FIX considers you nothing more than a slave alliance to BoB whose fault is it? Your's for knuckling under and living in their space under their name on the map or everyone else's who have seen you do it. There are two types of people. Those who have self respect and pride in themselves and won't knuckle under even if it means doing something difficult like moving and starting over again elsewhere. And those with no pride who will collaborate with their conquerers and identify with them just because it's easier. I wonder how many Fix and Xelas' best pvp pilots have been snatched up by BoB already to make them stronger and coincedentally keeping you too weak to challenge them?
j0sephine Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.03 08:10:00 - [199] "If everyone outside of FIX considers you nothing more than a slave alliance to BoB whose fault is it? "throw enough mud at the wall and some of it will stick"
Mahrin Skel Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 08:25:00 - [200] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 03/02/2007 07:46:29 Comfort breeds inertia..... I guess the question is ... does FIX want to be in the same situation a year from now??...... still unable to claim its own piece of 0.0 And if FIX still holds even a shred of what galvanised its conception in the first place the answer to that question has to be no. What's the first rule of 0.0 grand strategy? Don't claim what you can't keep. Ignoring that rule in Catch is what started FIX down the road to destruction. If we really pushed it, there's a good chance we could cast loose from BoB completely, make a completely independant claim on Querious, and get on the map just like the old days. That would last maybe a month. Then AAA, backed by RAGOON, would roll us up like a cheap rug. Against the kinds of forces being fielded these days, FIX cannot stand alone, and no other alliance would help us after our close association with BoB. And BoB certainly wouldn't come to our aid if we had sent them packing. Have you been paying attention the last couple of months? Look at the kinds of forces that were being arrayed in that little dustup between IAC and ISS, two minor powers that became the first test of post-Revelations warfare. 100+ capital ships, multiple POS being taken down in multiple systems simulataneously. Totally overwhelming force, first against IAC, then against ISS. We were there, you'd better believe we were paying attention. And if you are in a smaller alliance, ask yourself, honestly, how long could you hold the line against that? FIX has plans for achieving greatness, but they don't include committing suicide so we can wave our e-peen on the Eve Alliances map for a few weeks. Which is what all the goading and jibes about "pets" from other alliances is intended to accomplish, get those aligned with BoB to seperate themselves out and lay their heads on the block. The only way we could cast loose from BoB without immediately getting hammered flat would be to turn our coat, actively conspire with one of the other three power blocks to overthrow BoB. No FIX either of us would want to be a member of could stomach that. Nor would it be likely to profit us, in the end, even if it succeeded. --Dave
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 08:42:00 - [201] Quote: Those with no pride who will collaborate with their conquerers and identify with them just because it's easier. A very common misconception, and the more it gets repeated, the more people seem to think it is what happened. BoB didn't conquer FIX. We had already lost our space and the war against CODA when BoB arrived to fight for Querious; FIX was already defeated in that war, and pulling out for a lack of funds, ships, and people. If FIX had been making a deal with the CODA alliances, I'd have been the first to pack my bags and get the hell out. Perhaps, if you think a little before opening your mouth, you'd maybe find that some of the supposed facts you state to have happened, to be someone else's propaganda that you licked up off the floor of this forum. Blog
Philo Farnsworth	Posted - 2007.02.03 08:54:00 - [202] Originally by: Liet Traep Originally by: Aero089 Everyone that doesn't know FIX calls us pets, I suppose so. Mindless propaganda like this crap you keep posting is the main cause of that. If everyone outside of FIX considers you nothing more than a slave alliance to BoB whose fault is it? Your's for knuckling under and living in their space under their name on the map or everyone else's who have seen you do it. There are two types of people. Those who have self respect and pride in themselves and won't knuckle under even if it means doing something difficult like moving and starting over again elsewhere. And those with no pride who will collaborate with their conquerers and identify with them just because it's easier. I wonder how many Fix and Xelas' best pvp pilots have been snatched up by BoB already to make them stronger and coincedentally keeping you too weak to challenge them? Thank you for clarifying your feelings toward Goonies, IAC, Curse Alliance, SoD and other groups who either hold no space independently, or only do so because you let them, or who consist of corporations which are now collaborating with their conquerors.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.03 08:59:00 - [203] Well now we are getting to the brass tax of the matter....... Originally by: Mahrin Skel What's the first rule of 0.0 grand strategy? Don't claim what you can't keep. Yes you could say that this rule of thumb is a good strategy. I don't know what you get tought in the history lessons down in Querious lecture halls but.. your next statement is way off.. Originally by: Mahrin Skel Ignoring that rule in Catch is what started FIX down the road to destruction. This is simply not true..... FIX held Catch twice. Once by force and once by diplomacy. The first time FIX held catch we rolled in with a hundred man fleet and caught the ex-SA coalition napping, it took them two months to mount a counter offensive and then the FIX-Coalition war raged for two months, the fighting was very intense and FIX had a full rack of FC's (most of the Outbreak guys.. superstar names like Boldyn, Marko Debrault, Mindlles, Cougar One, Lord Sidon the ARIN guys (dutch pvp masters) etc.... too many to mention. It was a good war... but we run out of steam, and had to pull back due to whining by the Council and a glut of dead weight in the alliance that only came to surface during war time. But....FIX had an all-star Chain of command.... some of the best FC's this game has seen. The problem with Catch the first time round was FIX's dead weight... we had too much of it... with non-participation dragging down general morale.. but by no stretch of the imagination were we down and out. What really put a stop to that war though at the end was the North vs South project.... (incidently BoB's idea) .. FIX and SA were forced to the negotiating table and played against eachother so that BoB could get North vs South underway. Fairplay, apparently it had to happen so what can you do. SA and FIX could have turned around and told BoB to stick it but there was so much hate we would have inserted our private parts into a blender before doing that. The second time FIX held Catch, was via diplomacy as a spin-off from the SA civil war post North vs South. FIX blew that by actually fighting SA again and Huzzah when were there was really no need. And frankly FIX was not in a good enough shape for a full scale war. Note that I had stepped down before the war broke out... K. Its not fair to say that going for Catch was FIX's undoing, infact it led to some of FIX's finest hours... FIX's problem was always dead weight and the reluctance or flat out refusal of the FIX Council to do anything about it. The problem FIX had was a perptuating ability for dead weight corps to vote against anything that would threaten their presence in FIX...as every corp had equal voting rights in the FIX Council. Steps were attempted to remedy this but everytime the FIX Council would throw a hissy.... No Catch was not FIX's downfall, it was its form of government..... self-promoting dead weight corps blocking reform. K enough history... [Cont...]
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.03 09:00:00 - [204] Originally by: Evil Thug Thats why you are ***** off fix, taking systems from them in querious ? How can we take that which we already own, ET? Are you conveniently missing the part where we've sectioned off part of Q for further development by people with the means to do so... whilst at the same time giving further control to FIX over other parts? Hardly seems fair that we'd "deal" in this way, does it? Our priority in the space we control is development - that means more outposts. FIX are now doing that in TWO constellations in Querious, instead of the previous one, for the simple transaction of allowing someone else to invest in the area. "*** off FIX"? Mayhaps that is the initial reaction, but long term? I think not ;) Quote:** 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.03 09:01:00 - [205] Originally by: Mahrin Skel If we really pushed it, there's a good chance we could cast loose from BoB completely, make a completely independant claim on Querious, and get on the map just like the old days. That would last maybe a month. Then AAA, backed by RAGOON, would roll us up like a cheap rug. Against the kinds of forces being fielded these days, FIX cannot stand alone, and no other alliance would help us after our close association with BoB. And BoB certainly wouldn't come to our aid if we had sent them packing. Have you been paying attention the last couple of months? Look at the kinds of forces that were being arrayed in that little dustup between IAC and ISS, two minor powers that became the first test of post-Revelations warfare. 100+ capital ships, multiple POS being taken down in multiple systems simulataneously. Totally overwhelming force, first against IAC, then against ISS. We were there, you'd better believe we were paying attention. And if you are in a smaller alliance, ask yourself, honestly, how long could you hold the line against that? Nobody said it was easy... infact holding 0.0 space and claiming it on the map is one of the hardest things an alliance can attempt, particularly in this day and age.... but one thing you have to be prepared to do is move.... i.e Querious is probably unclaimable for the forseeable future. FIX would have to move out and live somewhere else... where that would be would require substantial planning and timing. Having said that there are 8 new regions in teh game..... Querious must be getting boring anyhow. The corps that founded PURE found a way and I was with them.. and I can tell you it was very hard. Originally by: Mahrin Skel FIX has plans for achieving greatness, but they don't include committing suicide so we can wave our e-peen on the Eve Alliances map for a few weeks. Which is what all the goading and jibes about "pets" from other alliances is intended to accomplish, get those aligned with BoB to seperate themselves out and lay their heads on the block. The only way we could cast loose from BoB without immediately getting hammered flat would be to turn our coat, actively conspire with one of the other three power blocks to overthrow BoB. No FIX either of us would want to be a member of could stomach that. Nor would it be likely to profit us, in the end, even if it succeeded. --Dave Well.... I think the issue with FIX is that out of all the BoB tennants, FIX holds the most promise and the one entity that is most likely to hold its own within 0.0 space... I can only suspect that there are many that see it as a crying shame that an alliance with so much percieved potential choses to eschew finding its own feet, for the security provided by residing within BoB space. One thing is for sure FIX is a proud alliance... always has been always will be... or at least I hope it is. I mean you can feel it in the posts you guys make..... how much longer will FIX be a tennant... when it can be so much more? Querious is not the only region in 0.0 now is it. Whilst you live in BoB space, you are not a political factor within your own right, but an appendage of the most powerful alliance in the game.. that is what essentially drives the criticism towards Firmus Ixion.
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.03 09:04:00 - [206] I really don't see the problem here tbh. Some people play this game with the goal of (just a few examples): * Making hoards of money. * Having fun with small scale PVP. * Having fun with larger scale PVP. * Fighting on an alliance scale. * Building an empire. Why should anyone feel ashamed for choosing a playstyle that doesn't involve vast empire building? Why should they feel ashamed for forming a symbiotic relationship with other entities that facilitate their playstyle? Many of the people having a go at BOBs tennants, are on the map due to one thing, the empires allow it. That may come across arrogant, but realistically there are very few 0.0 entities capable of standing up to one of the superpowers. That leaves you with only a limited number of options, and most seem to choose deluding themselves.
D'onryu Shoqui Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.03 09:07:00 - [207] bob has backstabbed its tennants on various occasions why should they not try to break the chains and claim the space they live in as there own? its not like you apear to treat them very well from what i can gather ------------------------------ My opinions are my own and not that of the alliance i belong to.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.03 09:09:00 - [208] Edited by: Plutoinum on 03/02/2007 09:09:10 Some alliances are official pets like the BoB pets, others are within a herd of alliances with their dozens NAPs, all running into the same direction. I don't understand what's so much better and remarkable about being in the latter. edit Most invidiuals aren't free, most corps aren't free and most alliance aren't free in 0.0. Willingly or unwillingly they follow. Maybe some have less freedom than a BoB pet. ______________ Originally by: Patch86 Combat in EVE is non-consensual. Unlike most games, EVE, by design, forces you to be ready for violence everywhere-even hi-sec space.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.03 09:13:00 - [209] Originally by: Plutoinum Some alliances are official pets like the BoB pets, others are within a herd of alliances with their dozens NAPs, all running into the same direction. I don't understand what's so much better and remarkable about being in the latter. The joshua map is the key... are you on it or not? If you are but aligned with another alliance thats called politics.. if you aren't but still aligned with an alliance thats called a tennant/pet/slave whatever. Its a very simple concept and tbh there isnt a lot to argue about. One is par for the course in EVE politics i.e NAPs of convenience, everybody has to at one stage or another.. the other is simply relying on somebody else firepower so that you don't have to fight for the place you live. Two very different situations.
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.03 09:13:00 - [210] Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui bob has backstabbed its tennants on various occasions why should they not try to break the chains and claim the space they live in as there own? its not like you apear to treat them very well from what i can gather I have been a BoB tennant, prior to being IN BoB. I can honestly say that in the entire time I was in that position, there was barely any interaction with BoB at all. We shared intel, we fought next to them, but never did they make us feel anything but an ally. As for "breaking the chains", there aren't any to break. These people work with us because it facilitates the way they want to play the game. If Curse Alliances goal is to become a 0.0 empire, best of luck. But treating people who don't have the same goals as you as slaves or pets is ridiculous.

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