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Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:11:00 - [1] Yes, whatever you say i like creating threads about bob pets telling the truths to their face. If i can change mind of even 1 person, i am satisfied. Let's create a scenario where your mighty "master" BoB defeats d2 & friends, then let's again assume that BoB defeats Ragoon too. Then what? Standing resets, all current bob pet corps will be KOS again. This game is all about pvp and finding a target to shoot. It's not about any challenge or any bed-time story BoB leaders babbling about. When there is no target left, they will create targets out of their friends, just like the past. It will keep going on till they got bored of EvE and go some other game. Or till you learn how to face your fears, combine your forces and fight them... You think you are friends of bob? you think they care what happens to you? The only ally of bob is MC and noone else. Rest friendships are temporary... Calculate the odds well. You have chance to raise against your masters, regain your honor. You know they can't focus everywhere, due to their limitations, they can only blob 1-2 systems at the same time. An all-out revolt will cause panic and make their empire fall in a week or two. And they will never try to take pets again. With no pets they will be forced to limit their manpower to delve or fountain only, they can't control a larger space without pets... So pets, stop eating the peanuts that visitors have been throwing to you out of your cage. For once in your life, do something honorable, regain your respect among EvE players, and reconsider your freedom... * I expect some pet answers before a bob moderator comes and locks the thread...
nickycakes Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:13:00 - [2] lol Rarely Outnumbered, Usually Outgunned, Never Outsmacked
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:13:00 - [3] Originally by: Rennard Standing resets, all current bob pet corps will be KOS again. Or they stay as they are and pay BoB their "rent"?
Lowa Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:14:00 - [4] Please. Just stop. Cheers, Lowa - if im not 1st i blame the stupid Java that decided i needed to close ie! Bastards! What if the truth was something else?
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:15:00 - [5] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 02/02/2007 16:12:08 OHNOES IM GONNA BE KOS WHAT I R GONNA DO? OH I KNOWS, PEW PEW BACK [:d] Sooo Rennard, whats empire like these days? ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:15:00 - [6] It's a game geez... You Will Cry My Name
HatePeace LoveWar Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:15:00 - [7] Originally by: Rennard Yes, whatever you say i like creating threads about bob pets telling the truths to their face. If i can change mind of even 1 person, i am satisfied. Let's create a scenario where your mighty "master" BoB defeats d2 & friends, then let's again assume that BoB defeats Ragoon too. Then what? Standing resets, all current bob pet corps will be KOS again. This game is all about pvp and finding a target to shoot. It's not about any challenge or any bed-time story BoB leaders babbling about. When there is no target left, they will create targets out of their friends, just like the past. It will keep going on till they got bored of EvE and go some other game. Or till you learn how to face your fears, combine your forces and fight them... You think you are friends of bob? you think they care what happens to you? The only ally of bob is MC and noone else. Rest friendships are temporary... Calculate the odds well. You have chance to raise against your masters, regain your honor. You know they can't focus everywhere, due to their limitations, they can only blob 1-2 systems at the same time. An all-out revolt will cause panic and make their empire fall in a week or two. And they will never try to take pets again. With no pets they will be forced to limit their manpower to delve or fountain only, they can't control a larger space without pets... So pets, stop eating the peanuts that visitors have been throwing to you out of your cage. For once in your life, do something honorable, regain your respect among EvE players, and reconsider your freedom... * I expect some pet answers before a bob moderator comes and locks the thread... Its alright mate, jesus doesn't really hate you, he's just playing a cruel joke.
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:15:00 - [8] Originally by: ElCoCo Originally by: Rennard Standing resets, all current bob pet corps will be KOS again. Or they stay as they are and pay BoB their "rent"? It's not about money, it's about pew pew. After somepoint when you have 50 bil, you won't care about rents anymore... Considering Ebay has stopped selling of virtual items...
Astasia Orian Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:16:00 - [9] Where's Xirtam's seed when you need it
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:16:00 - [10] Originally by: Nira Li It's a game geez... and yes, you play that game 16 hours a day...
Valrandir Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:17:00 - [11] -------------------------------- This has surpassed the Yarrdware specification and has been dubbed Uberware
Bizarre TAOSP	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:17:00 - [12] Is my "Hi Aneu!" valid in this thread? --------------------
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:19:00 - [13] Originally by: Rennard Originally by: Nira Li It's a game geez... and yes, you play that game 16 hours a day... You sound bitter ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:19:00 - [14] Cmon i just want some FIX,XELAS,RISE answers. Why is all bob fanboi's showing interest. Let's get some pets please...
Obijameskenobi Caldari Real Nice And Laidback Corporation Miners With Attitude	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:23:00 - [15] hmmmm, I like being a BoB B****h!!!! Look! I am in another BoB thread. on no.......where's my rent money........ lol Nothing to see hear....move along.
ZaKma Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:24:00 - [16] I just ate some corn flakes. They were so nice and crispy and stuffÖ.
Morris Falter The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:28:00 - [17] Edited by: Morris Falter on 02/02/2007 16:25:18 Originally by: ZaKma I just ate some corn flakes. They were so nice and crispy and stuffÖ. ZOMG, so did I! I got sick of all this "fruit and nut" healthy nonsense. Sugar is the way forward. edit: Fruit and fibre, I mean..
Helganstandt Finis Lumen	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:29:00 - [18] I was thinking about being a BoB pet, it sounds like a good deal. See, you get to pay x-amount for use of a station where you know you're good to make money, and then you can just grow and grow until you don't need them anymore and then maybe go out and try to make a claim on your own space. Maybe Bob's master plan is to own all of 0.0, but they really aren't capable of it. And even if they did, then maybe there's chances of "Pet Revolts" which will bring a whole new level to EVE 0.0, with policing forces and stuff like that. You know, it sounds more and more interesting the more I think about it. Thanks, you changed my mind, i'm gonna go get a quote today!
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:29:00 - [19] Originally by: Bizarre Is my "Hi Aneu!" valid in this thread? I think we are going to have to get a ruling from the judge on that one. Where is Diana? The Enemy's Gate is Down
Walkin Amarr Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:29:00 - [20] heh, how this for a response from a Fixian. If somebody shoots us, we shoot back. If they **** us off we teabag their wives. Names, alliances, corp tags are irrelevant . This is how Fix lives, this is how Fixians die. *i'm not an official fix representative so stuff it if you dont like my response :)
Doppleganger Minmatar Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:30:00 - [21] Originally by: Rennard Cmon i just want some FIX,XELAS,RISE answers. Why is all bob fanboi's showing interest. Let's get some pets please... I say you seek help...... or is that what this thread is for?...
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:30:00 - [22] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 02/02/2007 16:27:38 Originally by: Rennard Cmon i just want some FIX,XELAS,RISE answers. IMMA IN UR THREAD, POSTIN MAH ANSWERZ! Now all we need are some Xelas, Rise, Gunboat Diplomacy, Miners With Attitude... -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Shyalud Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:30:00 - [23] BoB stated a long time ago that it is their goal to rule all of EVE. Right or wrong, good or bad, it looks like they are endeavoring to accomplish their goal. Originally by: Jules The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:31:00 - [24] Originally by: Helganstandt I was thinking about being a BoB pet, it sounds like a good deal. See, you get to pay x-amount for use of a station where you know you're good to make money, and then you can just grow and grow until you don't need them anymore and then maybe go out and try to make a claim on your own space. Maybe Bob's master plan is to own all of 0.0, but they really aren't capable of it. And even if they did, then maybe there's chances of "Pet Revolts" which will bring a whole new level to EVE 0.0, with policing forces and stuff like that. You know, it sounds more and more interesting the more I think about it. Thanks, you changed my mind, i'm gonna go get a quote today! At least you give a mature and objective answer, /respect
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:33:00 - [25] Originally by: Bizarre Is my "Hi Aneu!" valid in this thread? Unfortunately, no, it's not. Rennard is a whole different animal. Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:34:00 - [26] Originally by: Zimi Vlasic Originally by: Bizarre Is my "Hi Aneu!" valid in this thread? Unfortunately, no, it's not. Rennard is a whole different animal. Oh i didn't know making fun of pets in several threads makes you "an animal". Ty.
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:34:00 - [27] Originally by: Rennard Originally by: ElCoCo Originally by: Rennard Standing resets, all current bob pet corps will be KOS again. Or they stay as they are and pay BoB their "rent"? It's not about money, it's about pew pew. After somepoint when you have 50 bil, you won't care about rents anymore... Considering Ebay has stopped selling of virtual items... That is about a year off atleast. By than faction warfare will be out and BOB will have to conquror empire, another 1-2 years of pvp. Can you imagine the forum posts between BOB and concord? --------------------------- What ever I say is my own views and not of my corp.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:37:00 - [28] Originally by: Rennard Originally by: Zimi Vlasic Originally by: Bizarre Is my "Hi Aneu!" valid in this thread? Unfortunately, no, it's not. Rennard is a whole different animal. Oh i didn't know making fun of pets in several threads makes you "an animal". Ty. I think he meant you've always been an animal, drooling on the forum doesnt really change that. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:39:00 - [29] Originally by: Rennard Originally by: Zimi Vlasic Originally by: Bizarre Is my "Hi Aneu!" valid in this thread? Unfortunately, no, it's not. Rennard is a whole different animal. Oh i didn't know making fun of pets in several threads makes you "an animal". Ty. That wasn't my intended meaning, and I'm shocked you don't understand the context in which animal is used. Is English not your first language? Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer
Sexual Chocolate Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:44:00 - [30] Heeeeeyyyy Look!! Another BoB thread!
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:44:00 - [31] Originally by: Rennard Originally by: Zimi Vlasic Is English not your first language? You are right sir. Now back to topic please. It doesn't have much time left till getting locked. I am still not satisfied with pet answers... Pet? I do not believe I have ever bumped into someone in eve that was a pet of anyone. Well I could point to an alliance in eve, but thats off topic atm. --------------------------- What ever I say is my own views and not of my corp.
Uinein Caldari Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:51:00 - [32] LMFAO Stop trying to get others to do what you want. Strap-on a pair of lazerz and head into delve.
Nifel Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:52:00 - [33] Originally by: scabbsssjr That is about a year off atleast. By than faction warfare will be out and BOB will have to conquror empire, another 1-2 years of pvp. Can you imagine the forum posts between BOB and concord? That'd be a sight. I hear Concord are quite the smacktalkers. "When I die I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa. Not yelling and screaming like the passengers in his car." RKK Ranking: Sama
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:54:00 - [34] Originally by: Uinein LMFAO Stop trying to get others to do what you want. Strap-on a pair of lazerz and head into delve. I will, however why does my provocation of pets bother you too much. You don't fear a forum clown to cause a revolt don't you? I just give them some angles to see the situation and make plans considering whats gonna happen in the future...
Microsoft Sam Red Army Inc	Posted - 2007.02.02 16:54:00 - [35] Originally by: Rennard Originally by: Zimi Vlasic Is English not your first language? You are right sir. Now back to topic please. It doesn't have much time left till getting locked. I am still not satisfied with pet answers... its BEEN answered already.. go back to the first few posts and read the responses.. not everyone out there has the business sense of a brick you know
Zhaine Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.02 17:01:00 - [36] Originally by: Rennard Originally by: Helganstandt I was thinking about being a BoB pet, it sounds like a good deal. See, you get to pay x-amount for use of a station where you know you're good to make money, and then you can just grow and grow until you don't need them anymore and then maybe go out and try to make a claim on your own space. Maybe Bob's master plan is to own all of 0.0, but they really aren't capable of it. And even if they did, then maybe there's chances of "Pet Revolts" which will bring a whole new level to EVE 0.0, with policing forces and stuff like that. You know, it sounds more and more interesting the more I think about it. Thanks, you changed my mind, i'm gonna go get a quote today! At least you give a mature and objective answer, /respect Just a shame about the lack of maturity or objectivity in the OP eh? Altogether now: You thundering fcking retard! - - - - - - - - - - World's best insult: Originally by:* Phrixus Zephyr You thundering retard. Coreli: Our boosters make you happy. . .
Rachen Mysuna Brotherhood of Polar Equation	Posted - 2007.02.02 17:03:00 - [37] Edited by: Rachen Mysuna on 02/02/2007 16:59:53 flammable text removed
Xelphior Caldari Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.02.02 17:05:00 - [38] Originally by: Zhaine Altogether now: You thundering fcking retard! /sign You Thundering Fcking Retard
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.02.02 17:07:00 - [39] A lot of people are happy with status quo. Why change it if it works for them? Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer
DiuxDium Casting Shadows	Posted - 2007.02.02 17:07:00 - [40] Edited by: DiuxDium on 02/02/2007 17:05:05 Originally by: Rennard Originally by: Nira Li It's a game geez... and yes, you play that game 16 hours a day... OHHHH SNAP --------------- PvP in EvE is not consentual.
Taladorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.02 17:08:00 - [41] Originally by: Helganstandt Edited by: Helganstandt on 02/02/2007 16:27:02 You know, I never wanted to be a BoB pet. But then I was thinking about it, and it sounds like a good deal. See, you get to pay x-amount for use of a station where you know you're good to make money, and then you can just grow and grow until you don't need them anymore and then maybe go out and try to make a claim on your own space. Maybe Bob's master plan is to own all of 0.0, but they really aren't capable of it. And even if they did, then maybe there's chances of "Pet Revolts" which will bring a whole new level to EVE 0.0, with policing forces and stuff like that. You know, it sounds more and more interesting the more I think about it. Thanks, you changed my mind, i'm gonna go get a quote today! ZOMG!!! Pet Revolts!!!! Woo Hoo... Can I be in charge of the brute squad doing beatdowns ? I better stockup on bullwhips and tear gas! runs to the tinfoilmobile
Xelphior Caldari Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.02.02 17:12:00 - [42] Edited by: Xelphior on 02/02/2007 17:10:14 Originally by: DiuxDium Originally by: Rennard Originally by: Nira Li It's a game geez... and yes, you play that game 16 hours a day... This one made me laugh inside. http://www.trickybeaver.com/wagz/e-thug.jpg what bout this one, made me laugh Linkage OWN3D Retard EDIT: Changed Quote Pic To Link
Hani EQ Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 17:19:00 - [43] Fix? Bob Pets? Avernus told us Muppets.. dang, missed the small print again.
Exortius Amarrus The Clearwater Society Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 17:21:00 - [44] I do believe this is an appropriate thread to roll out some muppet sigs. ------------------------
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.02 17:25:00 - [45] So FIX, you already knew you gonna be their pets. Why did you fight them in the first place then? You could just give 1/3 of your resources, accept pet status without fight (like RISE) and keep living. Don't you see today, all the fight you have done is forgotten and meaningless. As far as i know, none of ASCN has joined BOB (forgive me if i am wrong). So are they stupid? or are they just honorable? Why didn't they act like you? If you can't see the difference, then i don't have any more words for you dear "once mighty" FIX...
Aero089 Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 17:25:00 - [46] How's this for an answer? Stop making all these threads, seriously. There's only so far one can go with flaming BoB and their evil pets and I doubt there's -literally- ANYTHING that hasn't been said and thoroughly discussed by now. I hope that people like you will also understand from our (well, my) point of view that we are getting sick of being called "BoB slaves", "BoB pets" etc. too. Because we're still doing our own thing, our dealings with BoB are at an absolute minimum (at grunt level anyway) and we refuse to call in help even if we're getting our asses handed out to us. Now pardon me if I kindly ask all you EVE-O posters to refrain from posting such things, you're not proving a thing. Stay out of matters you don't know anything about. Assumptions are fatal, let's come up with facts.
Sexual Chocolate Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.02 17:27:00 - [47] Originally by: Rennard So FIX, you already knew you gonna be their pets. Why did you fight them in the first place then? You could just give 1/3 of your resources, accept pet status without fight (like RISE) and keep living. Don't you see today, all the fight you have done is forgotten and meaningless. As far as i know, none of ASCN has joined BOB (forgive me if i am wrong). So are they stupid? or are they just honorable? Why didn't they act like you? If you can't see the difference, then i don't have any more words for you dear "once mighty" FIX... There are some from ASCN which have joined a BoB corp, and I'm sure there are many more apps.
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.02 17:33:00 - [48] Originally by: Aero089 How's this for an answer? Stop making all these threads, seriously. There's only so far one can go with flaming BoB and their evil pets and I doubt there's -literally- ANYTHING that hasn't been said and thoroughly discussed by now. I hope that people like you will also understand from our (well, my) point of view that we are getting sick of being called "BoB slaves", "BoB pets" etc. too. Because we're still doing our own thing, our dealings with BoB are at an absolute minimum (at grunt level anyway) and we refuse to call in help even if we're getting our asses handed out to us. Now pardon me if I kindly ask all you EVE-O posters to refrain from posting such things, you're not proving a thing. Stay out of matters you don't know anything about. Assumptions are fatal, let's come up with facts. It's a satisfying good answer, if you are getting sick of being called a "pet" then everything i am doing is working... A part of you still ashamed of the decision you have made, live with it. You are pets...end of story. If you don't believe me, ask everyone else in EvE. Even BOB says you are, what makes you say otherway?
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 17:35:00 - [49] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 02/02/2007 17:32:35 Originally by: Rennard So FIX, you already knew you gonna be their pets. Why did you fight them in the first place then? You could just give 1/3 of your resources, accept pet status without fight (like RISE) and keep living. Don't you see today, all the fight you have done is forgotten and meaningless. As far as i know, none of ASCN has joined BOB (forgive me if i am wrong). So are they stupid? or are they just honorable? Why didn't they act like you? If you can't see the difference, then i don't have any more words for you dear "once mighty" FIX... Um, you know FIX fought BoB long before they even had pets? This was, IIRC, over two years ago, when [5] was still around. I strongly suggest you study some EVE history before posting. Heck, even easier, don't post... -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Louis DelaBlanche Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.02 17:35:00 - [50] Are Rennards "BOB pets" threads gonna become CAOD's equivalent to the "ewwwww Gallente" threads by Archbishop in the Intergal Summit?
Kaleeb S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E.	Posted - 2007.02.02 17:38:00 - [51] I think your all better off shooting Yazoul instead
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2007.02.02 17:39:00 - [52] Originally by: Rennard Originally by: Aero089 How's this for an answer? Stop making all these threads, seriously. There's only so far one can go with flaming BoB and their evil pets and I doubt there's -literally- ANYTHING that hasn't been said and thoroughly discussed by now. I hope that people like you will also understand from our (well, my) point of view that we are getting sick of being called "BoB slaves", "BoB pets" etc. too. Because we're still doing our own thing, our dealings with BoB are at an absolute minimum (at grunt level anyway) and we refuse to call in help even if we're getting our asses handed out to us. Now pardon me if I kindly ask all you EVE-O posters to refrain from posting such things, you're not proving a thing. Stay out of matters you don't know anything about. Assumptions are fatal, let's come up with facts. It's a satisfying good answer, if you are getting sick of being called a "pet" then everything i am doing is working... A part of you still ashamed of the decision you have made, live with it. You are pets...end of story. If you don't believe me, ask everyone else in EvE. Even BOB says you are, what makes you say otherway? Just because you, as someone who hasnt achieved anything noteworthy in eve, tell ppl they are pets and slaves and how they should run their eveplay, it doesnt mean it wears any weight. You have your preformulated opinion "everyone working -in any way- with bob is a pet omg" and you try to push it down ppls throat with these silly threads. Anytime you post them the ppl in question will come and explain lengthy that you havent grapsed the concept, have wrong ideas about the whole thing and have no insight in the matter. You will leave the thread, sulk for a few weeks and repost your bollox yet again. Seriously step away from the topic. You have no idea what ure rambling on about and no authority to tell ppl how to run stuff either since the only thing you have achieved "vs bob" so far is to make some empty threats, some meaningless predictions and some dark-future-sky-is-falling mongering in the vain hope that someone weakminded enough to fall for random alt crap might actually listen and stirr a drama...
Vince Draken Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.02 17:39:00 - [53] look at me, I'm in another Renntard thread. The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
Aero089 Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 17:40:00 - [54] Originally by: Rennard Originally by: Aero089 How's this for an answer? Stop making all these threads, seriously. There's only so far one can go with flaming BoB and their evil pets and I doubt there's -literally- ANYTHING that hasn't been said and thoroughly discussed by now. I hope that people like you will also understand from our (well, my) point of view that we are getting sick of being called "BoB slaves", "BoB pets" etc. too. Because we're still doing our own thing, our dealings with BoB are at an absolute minimum (at grunt level anyway) and we refuse to call in help even if we're getting our asses handed out to us. Now pardon me if I kindly ask all you EVE-O posters to refrain from posting such things, you're not proving a thing. Stay out of matters you don't know anything about. Assumptions are fatal, let's come up with facts. It's a satisfying good answer, if you are getting sick of being called a "pet" then everything i am doing is working... A part of you still ashamed of the decision you have made, live with it. You are pets...end of story. If you don't believe me, ask everyone else in EvE. Even BOB says you are, what makes you say otherway? Everyone that doesn't know FIX calls us pets, I suppose so. Mindless propaganda like this crap you keep posting is the main cause of that.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.02 17:40:00 - [55] No, cause Rennard is heading for a nice forum vacation this way. Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.02 17:43:00 - [56] Originally by: Louis DelaBlanche Are Rennards "BOB pets" threads gonna become CAOD's equivalent to the "ewwwww Gallente" threads by Archbishop in the Intergal Summit? No i think this is the last one, so far it's not locked and all i wanted is to learn how they feel about their status.
Aero089 Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 17:44:00 - [57] Quite fine actually. Now login and do your thing, shoot BoB or something.
Lance Tyr Minmatar Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.02 17:48:00 - [58] I have nothing but good faith in BoB. But even Rome fell...nothing lasts forever.
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.02 17:54:00 - [59] Originally by: Shyalud BoB stated a long time ago that it is their goal to rule all of EVE. Right or wrong, good or bad, it looks like they are endeavoring to accomplish their goal. If they manage it, I guess two things might happen: - Bob split up, considering that the only pvpers still worth fighting are... themsleves. - Bob start looking for another Eve-like game. ------------------------------------------ Every ship has a base 60-70% resist against the primary damage type of the race that is the least able to vary it's damage types.
Enthes goldhart	Posted - 2007.02.02 17:55:00 - [60] Well I guess I am one of these pet guys you are on about though tbh I see myself more as caretaker than a slave (slaves don't get free stations filled with cheap T2goodies + the best ore in the game ) plus I myself neither liked or disliked bob (ok they smack a bit) but I do dislike D2 and others, hence the enemy of my enemy is my friend and if they are willing to give other corps who would never otherwise get into 0.0 why the hell shouldn't they? In my opinion I doubt bob will win the big war and take over the world sure they will give it a good go but I doubt they have the numbers to do it. But GL to them as I guess I am them also if bob do win and start attacking there ôpetsö then they will stop being there pets and bob would lose 90% of its space within a day simply by them simply stating they are no longer bobs pets as they already have the infrastructure there. Btw MC as friends with bob? They are mercs they may be friends but they will still go to the highest bidder its what they do. You say we need to earn our respect back? But in the end we never lost it sure we are not on the map but who cares as long as the people we fought with and against respect us I don't care what the others think. Respect is earned by playing well and fighting hard not who we choose make friends with. To the big alliances BOB is the darkness to the new smaller ones bob is a chance of greater glory and fame. what I say does not reflect my alliance / corperations point of view
Sienis Standard Operations Building Services Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.02.02 18:03:00 - [61] MOOOO
Sevani	Posted - 2007.02.02 18:09:00 - [62] I haven't been in FIX all that long and I'm pretty much nobody. But you know what? It's been pretty darn fun. Lots of people come into our space and we fight them. We go off into other people's space and fight them. I mine, I rat, I salvage, I explore, and I run missions. I'm not really sure what else I could ask for in EVE at this point. So being in FIX is fun for me. Whatever their status. If fun for you is to making hypothetical posts on the forums because you are all upset about imaginary social structures in an imaginary game, have at it. -7
JA RULER Caldari Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 18:14:00 - [63] Rannards morning check list: No Clue = Check No idea = Check Lost respect = Check Being a silly billy = check being a noob = check Now Having to sell Char and start again = Priceless
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.02 18:14:00 - [64] Originally by: Sevani I haven't been in FIX all that long and I'm pretty much nobody. But you know what? It's been pretty darn fun. Lots of people come into our space and we fight them. We go off into other people's space and fight them. I mine, I rat, I salvage, I explore, and I run missions. I'm not really sure what else I could ask for in EVE at this point. So being in FIX is fun for me. Whatever their status. If fun for you is to making hypothetical posts on the forums because you are all upset about imaginary social structures in an imaginary game, have at it. -7 I am not upset, i am just making fun of your status by calling you "pet" continuously, its certain that you don't enjoy to be called one. But your master says the same also, what about that?
Xelphior Caldari Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.02.02 18:17:00 - [65] ok time for a mature answer from me. why do bob have "Pets" simple its business sence, extra income for bob, with it bob offer security and peace of mind whilst their tennants, but insulting people who live in bob owned regions is comparable to racism, same as saying you live in ... i dunno .. Metropolis, so u all suck and are Slaves (no i dont believe that - trying not to reference OOC hard lols) its insulting to those who live here, what bob does after it becomes BoB online is well, im sure it will be fun to find out, old saying. "if there isnt a challange apparant, go make yourself a challenge" your determination at making bob look evil isnt working, you cannot make something what they already are.
Yalson Caldari Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 18:18:00 - [66] Someone called me a muppet? <looks around in confusion>
Limlox	Posted - 2007.02.02 18:19:00 - [67] OK, i'm relatively new to the game, and it seems that too many people worry bout Bob far too much. Stop moaning about it and do something about it. If they bother you that much, create an alliance and strike at them. If they're intention is to rule Eve, then their own ambition would be their eventual demise. Anyway, from what I can see, people are only jumping on the Bob Wagon to benefit themselves, so if it came to a point where Bob weren't winning, they'd jump ship as quick as they joined.
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.02 18:19:00 - [68] Originally by: JA RULER Rannards morning check list: No Clue = Check No idea = Check Lost respect = Check Being a silly billy = check being a noob = check Now Having to sell Char and start again = Priceless Do you think i care whatever people call me, retard, idiot etc. whatever. Ah by the way are you an alliance?, i don't see your name on the map lol.
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.02 18:21:00 - [69] Originally by: Rennard Originally by: Nira Li It's a game geez... and yes, you play that game 16 hours a day... yes and you can't play this game at all... You Will Cry My Name
Irishman The Clearwater Society Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 18:23:00 - [70] Edited by: Irishman on 02/02/2007 18:20:58 Originally by: Yalson Someone called me a muppet? <looks around in confusion> Muppets ftw ----- "Mine is not a holy war." -- Jihad Jerry
Exortius Amarrus The Clearwater Society Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 18:23:00 - [71] Originally by: Rennard Do you think i care whatever people call me, retard, idiot etc. whatever. Right back at you sir. ------------------------
August Personage Caldari Clarf Inc	Posted - 2007.02.02 18:24:00 - [72] BUUUUUHHHHHH
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.02 18:28:00 - [73] Originally by: Xelphior ok time for a mature answer from me. why do bob have "Pets" simple its business sence, extra income for bob, with it bob offer security and peace of mind whilst their tennants, but insulting people who live in bob owned regions is comparable to racism, same as saying you live in ... i dunno .. Metropolis, so u all suck and are Slaves (no i dont believe that - trying not to reference OOC hard lols) its insulting to those who live here, what bob does after it becomes BoB online is well, im sure it will be fun to find out, old saying. "if there isnt a challange apparant, go make yourself a challenge" your determination at making bob look evil isnt working, you cannot make something what they already are. You gave the best answer from BOB so far. Don't get me wrong. I respect what BOB does, and i don't say you are evil, you are just like conqurors that lived in real history. Like Rome, Ottoman Empire, WWII Germany. I just can't believe those pet alliances who gets proud of what BOB is doing, supporting them in every thread like they are achieving something. I mean "you lost to them" and become "a slave", you are paying taxes and limited your rights of your space. You don't even have right to speak and talk about BOB achievements, and you keep telling them "pets", i wouldn't stay even 2 seconds in that alliance if someone called my alliance "a pet" and leaders swallowing that word.
Darknesss D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.02 18:34:00 - [74] its a sensible goal for BoB, sensible because its unachievable, but gives them focus for aslong as they exist. They will never get that far.
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.02 18:34:00 - [75] and to FIX, why keep your name if it won't be seen on map? Do you still consider yourself as FIXians? You are no longer an alliance i am sorry... You are a part of BoB, and doing things like alt characters does to main characters. You are the alts, BoB are the mains. So why get bothered when we call you "pet". Isn't it what you are?
JA RULER Caldari Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 18:39:00 - [76] Originally by: Rennard Originally by: JA RULER Rannards morning check list: No Clue = Check No idea = Check Lost respect = Check Being a silly billy = check being a noob = check Now Having to sell Char and start again = Priceless Do you think i care whatever people call me, retard, idiot etc. whatever. Ah by the way are you an alliance?, i don't see your name on the map lol. Look closer. See the map settings? yes- ok well go to sovereignty/ then select FIX. See all of those bright little lights? Good now give yourself a pat on the back, you have now learned the basics of the map system.
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.02 18:41:00 - [77] Originally by: JA RULER Originally by: Rennard Originally by: JA RULER Rannards morning check list: No Clue = Check No idea = Check Lost respect = Check Being a silly billy = check being a noob = check Now Having to sell Char and start again = Priceless Do you think i care whatever people call me, retard, idiot etc. whatever. Ah by the way are you an alliance?, i don't see your name on the map lol. Look closer. See the map settings? yes- ok well go to sovereignty/ then select FIX. See all of those bright little lights? Good now give yourself a pat on the back, you have now learned the basics of the map system. and yet, you get your masters permission to keep those systems. Can you able to mine promethium in your space? I doubt so.
Vince Draken Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.02 18:42:00 - [78] Originally by: Rennard and to FIX, why keep your name if it won't be seen on map? Do you still consider yourself as FIXians? You are no longer an alliance i am sorry... You are a part of BoB, and doing things like alt characters does to main characters. You are the alts, BoB are the mains. So why get bothered when we call you "pet". Isn't it what you are? rofl dude There are how many 100's of alliances in eve now? How many of these are on the map? You seriously need to quit posting and start recycling. The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
Imode Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 18:43:00 - [79] You've got us! For awhile now we've seen the situation brewing and realized that it would eventually become unpalatable for us a pacificist BOB pets. We have set in motion a number of plans that we hope will come to fruition in time. Formally, we intend to dissolve the FIX alliance. Following that, our member base will move to the Singularity server and reform under the new name 'The Muppet Show'. With the easy procurement of cheap yet high quality items in every station we shall reform and become a new force able to repel any entity that dare challenge our sovereignty of Querious on the test server.
Chi Prime Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.02 18:44:00 - [80] Sniff sniff I smell a troll; and people feeding it :/
Waylander45 Judgements End	Posted - 2007.02.02 18:45:00 - [81] Originally by: Rennard You gave the best answer from BOB so far. Don't get me wrong. I respect what BOB does, and i don't say you are evil, you are just like conqurors that lived in real history. Like Rome, Ottoman Empire, WWII Germany. I just can't believe those pet alliances who gets proud of what BOB is doing, supporting them in every thread like they are achieving something. I mean "you lost to them" and become "a slave", you are paying taxes and limited your rights of your space. You don't even have right to speak and talk about BOB achievements, and you keep telling them "pets", i wouldn't stay even 2 seconds in that alliance if someone called my alliance "a pet" and leaders swallowing that word. So your solution when anyone disparages you is to cry and cry and then throw you rattle out of the pram? Seriously, leaving an alliance 2 seconds after someone called them a name, wouldnt leave the most successfully eve career.. I'm sure if you looked hard enough every major alliance has been called something recently.. you prepose leaving any of them because some random called them a name?
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.02 18:48:00 - [82] Originally by: Vince Draken Originally by: Rennard and to FIX, why keep your name if it won't be seen on map? Do you still consider yourself as FIXians? You are no longer an alliance i am sorry... You are a part of BoB, and doing things like alt characters does to main characters. You are the alts, BoB are the mains. So why get bothered when we call you "pet". Isn't it what you are? rofl dude There are how many 100's of alliances in eve now? How many of these are on the map? You seriously need to quit posting and start recycling. Well as we know 90 out of 100 is not cared or respected. FIX has been there for long, i have been a member of FIX, i know how we defended that space and was proud to be FIX. But after FIX fall, i expected FIX to go another space and claim a place, still live with their name. But no, they chose to stay there and accepted all consequences, accepted to be a "pet". To some people Isk is more important, to some people honor is more important. As i say i wouldn't stay even 2 seconds when some alliance call my alliance "pet" and i swallow that word. No way...
Zagum Darkfin Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.02 18:50:00 - [83] Originally by: Yalson Someone called me a muppet? <looks around in confusion> ROFL!!! Best dam sig evearh!! I think its still Aneu or some relation to Aneu. Who else can be this silly?
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2007.02.02 18:58:00 - [84] Originally by: Irishman Edited by: Irishman on 02/02/2007 18:20:58 Originally by: Yalson Someone called me a muppet? <looks around in confusion> Muppets ftw Rennard opened up a can of worms you can never close: MUPPET SIGS!!!! --------------------------- What ever I say is my own views and not of my corp.
Snodgey2004 Mega Modal M0nkeys	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:00:00 - [85] If FIX are muppets who's Ms. Piggy and who is Kermit ?
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:00:00 - [86] Originally by: Rennard Well as we know 90 out of 100 is not cared or respected. FIX has been there for long, i have been a member of FIX, i know how we defended that space and was proud to be FIX. But after FIX fall, i expected FIX to go another space and claim a place, still live with their name. But no, they chose to stay there and accepted all consequences, accepted to be a "pet". To some people Isk is more important, to some people honor is more important. As i say i wouldn't stay even 2 seconds when some alliance call my alliance "pet" and i swallow that word. No way... Man... pathetic. Honestly, you expect the oldest living alliance in Eve to take away anything from your thread other than laughter? Sad illusioned little man. Do enlighten us all, what FIX corp were you in, and when... and why can't I remember in the slightest who you are? Blog
Hani EQ Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:00:00 - [87] Edited by: Hani EQ on 02/02/2007 18:58:38 As a Fixion, I'm feeling kind of hurt. If you wanted to say that we don't belong and we're not like other alliances you could have used some tact, instead of hurting our feelings Try this next time: You dont belong You so smart.
Zhaine Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:02:00 - [88] So what space does Aku Socks. . . something. . . uh whatever-your-corp-is-called claim and why have I never heard of your mighty achievements? - - - - - - - - - - World's best insult: Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr You thundering retard. Coreli: Our boosters make you happy. . .
Gibmundur Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:06:00 - [89] On a side note, could the xelas alliance plz stop protecting its isk farmers and kick them out, for example Dark Nebula Gallente division has got endless amount of isk farmers/macro npcers, ive got a few in my bio if you want to check some names out. I know Dark Nebula has been a great power in the production for years of battleships, i wonder if the profits from that were ever used to sell isk.
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:07:00 - [90] Originally by: Avernus Man... pathetic. Honestly, you expect the oldest living alliance in Eve to take away anything from your thread other than laughter? Sad illusioned little man. Do enlighten us all, what FIX corp were you in, and when... and why can't I remember in the slightest who you are? JHENR and i had 3 characters there, i don't have to prove anything to you. The main purpose of this thread is FIX is become a pet and lost its honor, you could just go elsewhere and claim it, live with your "name", you had manpower, you had resources. Now you are not an alliance anymore. All those smack you are doing just proves that you are trying to change the subject by posting crap. Because you cant come up with an answer. throws some peanuts from outside of cage to the pets
Hani EQ Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:12:00 - [91] Originally by: Rennard Originally by: Avernus Man... pathetic. Honestly, you expect the oldest living alliance in Eve to take away anything from your thread other than laughter? Sad illusioned little man. Do enlighten us all, what FIX corp were you in, and when... and why can't I remember in the slightest who you are? JHENR and i had 3 characters there, i don't have to prove anything to you. The main purpose of this thread is FIX is become a pet and lost its honor, you could just go elsewhere and claim it, live with your "name", you had manpower, you had resources. Now you are not an alliance anymore. All those smack you are doing just proves that you are trying to change the subject by posting crap. Because you cant come up with an answer. throws some peanuts from outside of cage to the pets I believe alt posting is against the rules of this forum. If the above is true, please post with your main.. or alternatively wait for the mods to lock. Alt flame baiting isn't allowed.. ok?
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:13:00 - [92] Edited by: Avernus on 02/02/2007 19:10:37 Originally by: Rennard Originally by: Avernus Man... pathetic. Honestly, you expect the oldest living alliance in Eve to take away anything from your thread other than laughter? Sad illusioned little man. Do enlighten us all, what FIX corp were you in, and when... and why can't I remember in the slightest who you are? JHENR and i had 3 characters there, i don't have to prove anything to you. The main purpose of this thread is FIX is become a pet and lost its honor, you could just go elsewhere and claim it, live with your "name", you had manpower, you had resources. Now you are not an alliance anymore. All those smack you are doing just proves that you are trying to change the subject by posting crap. Because you cant come up with an answer. throws some peanuts from outside of cage to the pets I'm not smacking, I'm checking your credentials. How long were you in FIX for, and during what time period, and did you leave FIX with JHENR, or before? Edit; to cut to the chase, who was your main in FIX? Blog
Exortius Amarrus The Clearwater Society Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:13:00 - [93] You have also discussed forum moderation in your original post. As such i can only say: ------------------------
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:14:00 - [94] What if i have 4 accounts? and this is the one i use the most. It's old enough not to be called an alt. I become online everyday, you can talk to me in game.
Audi Amarr The Clearwater Society Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:15:00 - [95] <Phone rings> Audi: Hello? Exortius: What are you doing on the forums? Audi: nothing Exortius: And where is your sig? Audi: i dunno
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:16:00 - [96] I'm really interested in who your main in FIX was. Who am I talking with? Not Rennard obviously, Rennard isn't a name I can relate to, that name means nothing to me. Blog
Imode Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:17:00 - [97] Originally by: Gibmundur On a side note, could the xelas alliance plz stop protecting its isk farmers and kick them out, for example Dark Nebula Gallente division has got endless amount of isk farmers/macro npcers, ive got a few in my bio if you want to check some names out. I know Dark Nebula has been a great power in the production for years of battleships, i wonder if the profits from that were ever used to sell isk. Amen. The Corss family drives me nuts.
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:17:00 - [98] Originally by: Avernus Edited by: Avernus on 02/02/2007 19:10:37 Originally by: Rennard Originally by: Avernus Man... pathetic. Honestly, you expect the oldest living alliance in Eve to take away anything from your thread other than laughter? Sad illusioned little man. Do enlighten us all, what FIX corp were you in, and when... and why can't I remember in the slightest who you are? JHENR and i had 3 characters there, i don't have to prove anything to you. The main purpose of this thread is FIX is become a pet and lost its honor, you could just go elsewhere and claim it, live with your "name", you had manpower, you had resources. Now you are not an alliance anymore. All those smack you are doing just proves that you are trying to change the subject by posting crap. Because you cant come up with an answer. throws some peanuts from outside of cage to the pets I'm not smacking, I'm checking your credentials. How long were you in FIX for, and during what time period, and did you leave FIX with JHENR, or before? Edit; to cut to the chase, who was your main in FIX? Why do you change subject? Answer my question. Why didn't FIX go to another space and live with its "name"? I am ashamed of you, all of you who accepted to remain behind. Now you accepted to be there under control, then don't **** off when you are called "pets". FIX is dead, the bright ideal of FIX is dead because of you...
Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:18:00 - [99] OH MY GOD IM A BOB PET, IM DOOMED! DISBAND CORP DISBAND CORP... Dark-Rising
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:18:00 - [100] Originally by: Avernus I'm really interested in who your main in FIX was. Who am I talking with? Not Rennard obviously, Rennard isn't a name I can relate to, that name means nothing to me. QFT. Post with your main, Rennard. -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:19:00 - [101] Are you lecturing me on honour... yet you can't tell me who your main character was during your time in FIX? Blog
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:20:00 - [102] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Avernus I'm really interested in who your main in FIX was. Who am I talking with? Not Rennard obviously, Rennard isn't a name I can relate to, that name means nothing to me. QFT. Post with your main, Rennard. Well it doesn't matter, the question is same. See me as whoever you want? the question needs answering, see above...
Hani EQ Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:20:00 - [103] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Avernus I'm really interested in who your main in FIX was. Who am I talking with? Not Rennard obviously, Rennard isn't a name I can relate to, that name means nothing to me. QFT. Post with your main, Rennard. QFTQFT. Post with your main.
Krychton Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:21:00 - [104] These threads are getting old.... ---- Krychton 065 If this is all a dream, don't wake me up.
Serric Caldari The Clearwater Society Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:21:00 - [105] Edited by: Serric on 02/02/2007 19:18:00 Less tinfoil, more chocolate chip cookies!
Firane Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:23:00 - [106] Originally by: Imode Originally by: Gibmundur On a side note, could the xelas alliance plz stop protecting its isk farmers and kick them out, for example Dark Nebula Gallente division has got endless amount of isk farmers/macro npcers, ive got a few in my bio if you want to check some names out. I know Dark Nebula has been a great power in the production for years of battleships, i wonder if the profits from that were ever used to sell isk. Amen. The Corss family drives me nuts. Word BTW muppets! \o/ --- It's great not caring, isn't it?
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:23:00 - [107] Originally by: Avernus Are you lecturing me on honour... yet you can't tell me who your main character was during your time in FIX? Cmon Avernus, i think you still have some people who don't like to be called "pet" and who are not happy of this situation. For too long EVE respected FIX of best defending alliance. Hundreds of foes failed, at some point whole eve was attacking FIX but they couldn't take any part. Why give up so easily on BoB, wouldn't you just go some other space and still live with your "honor" and defend that space as you have done your current space. Why chose to be "pets"?
Hani EQ Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:24:00 - [108] I'm assuming that a person of such high morality, would have the courage,honesty and decency to post with your main. Otherwise.. locky locky.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:25:00 - [109] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 02/02/2007 19:24:26 Originally by: Rennard Originally by: Avernus Are you lecturing me on honour... yet you can't tell me who your main character was during your time in FIX? Cmon Avernus, i think you still have some people who don't like to be called "pet" and who are not happy of this situation. For too long EVE respected FIX of best defending alliance. Hundreds of foes failed, at some point whole eve was attacking FIX but they couldn't take any part. Why give up so easily on BoB, wouldn't you just go some other space and still live with your "honor" and defend that space as you have done your current space. Why chose to be "pets"? ☻☻☻☻☻☻☻ -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:25:00 - [110] Quote: I am ashamed of you, all of you who accepted to remain behind. Now you accepted to be there under control, then don't **** off when you are called "pets". FIX is dead, the bright ideal of FIX is dead because of you... What's the matter... all I asked is who your main was in FIX, so I can actually relate to who you are, and know your history. The bright ideal of FIX includes accepting responsibility for your actions and not hiding behind thin excuses. You're calling us on supposedly not living up to our ideals and appear to be truely upset by it... but on the very same note, you can't live up to and accept those own ideals yourself? You want some answers, then come clean. Blog
Mr Pig	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:28:00 - [111] HONOUR , you seem to mention that a few times , what exactly is it ? And why should anyone care that they don't have any in a virtual world , If i was back in FIX and I was a NPC'er or miner and the guys in charge say that BoB has a small say in how we run things ( if any ) how does that affect me ? If I could still mine/npc , shoot anyone that enters my space - basically nothing changes then why should I care that I don't have HONOUR ?
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:29:00 - [112] Originally by: Hani EQ I'm assuming that a person of such high morality, would have the courage,honesty and decency to post with your main. Otherwise.. locky locky. If you gonna respect me because of my name, then don't respect me. But whatever i say is true, those who remained behind you killed the FIX ideal, and now you are living within its corpse... You still believe you are FIXian, but you are nothing more than a "pet". You are not even an alliance. This is my last message to you, like i said in my first message, even if 1 person understands what i mean, i am satisfied. And yes Nez Perces was my ceo at the time i was in JHENR. Was proud to be FIX back then. Now look at you... pets...
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:30:00 - [113] Originally by: Rennard Originally by: Hani EQ I'm assuming that a person of such high morality, would have the courage,honesty and decency to post with your main. Otherwise.. locky locky. If you gonna respect me because of my name, then don't respect me. But whatever i say is true, those who remained behind you killed the FIX ideal, and now you are living within its corpse... You still believe you are FIXian, but you are nothing more than a "pet". You are not even an alliance. This is my last message to you, like i said in my first message, even if 1 person understands what i mean, i am satisfied. And yes Nez Perces was my ceo at the time i was in JHENR. Was proud to be FIX back then. Now look at you... pets... Coward. Blog
Audi Amarr The Clearwater Society Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:33:00 - [114] FOUL! Dark Shikari keeps changing his smilies! Dark Shiakri keeps changing his smilies!
Hani EQ Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:33:00 - [115] Originally by: Rennard Originally by: Hani EQ I'm assuming that a person of such high morality, would have the courage,honesty and decency to post with your main. Otherwise.. locky locky. If you gonna respect me because of my name, then don't respect me. But whatever i say is true, those who remained behind you killed the FIX ideal, and now you are living within its corpse... You still believe you are FIXian, but you are nothing more than a "pet". You are not even an alliance. This is my last message to you, like i said in my first message, even if 1 person understands what i mean, i am satisfied. And yes Nez Perces was my ceo at the time i was in JHENR. Was proud to be FIX back then. Now look at you... pets... Easy to cast stones? Not so easy to have courage in your convictions? Time for locky.. alt posting isn't allowed.
Aelena Thraant Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:33:00 - [116] Rennard, As a former Xelas corp and now a direct BoB guest (Guest is the actual term and not pet but anyway) I have to say this is a good arrangement. We get our piece of 0.0. We fight for it like normal but don't have to worry too much about a larger alliance coming and blobbing us to death like what would happen if our alliance was somewhere else. BTW A lot of alliances do this... RA, LV, D2, Etc. Don't believe me... Where are the goons on the Eve Map, etc. Just get off your I hate BoB soapbox and either come kill BoB/BoB pets or shut the hell up.
APEXrevived Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:35:00 - [117] i do love when avernus comes to play on the forums. Rennard, we obviously knew you were a troll, but everything you say in response to Av's genuine offer to openly discuss your 'passionate feelings' confirms that you are in fact trolling and your OP is complete bs. You have the opportunity to discuss this topic with the Chairman of FIX and one who has been through it all and you aren't taking it. Not like we expected that you would... Personally I wouldn't have given you the time of day. I thought since this game is called Eve that I'd play a female character. Is that a good enough excuse for a guy?
Doddy Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:36:00 - [118] Originally by: Rennard Originally by: Louis DelaBlanche Are Rennards "BOB pets" threads gonna become CAOD's equivalent to the "ewwwww Gallente" threads by Archbishop in the Intergal Summit? No i think this is the last one, so far it's not locked and all i wanted is to learn how they feel about their status. Well, you can check the name of our outpost, should give you a hint.
LordChaos Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:38:00 - [119] Edited by: LordChaos on 02/02/2007 19:38:56 I love Xelas :) they give me free iskies :) btw Xelas/Aftermath/FiX and the rest of u guys allied to BoB .............. u jump when they tell u 2 jump :) not talking about if u pay or not or your space or not but if they tell u go do that u will go do that even if u like it or not. if i am wrong which i doubt plz do give me a example :) The Master Of Chaos Celes Celes KB
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:46:00 - [120] Originally by: LordChaos Edited by: LordChaos on 02/02/2007 19:38:56 I love Xelas :) they give me free iskies :) btw Xelas/Aftermath/FiX and the rest of u guys allied to BoB .............. u jump when they tell u 2 jump :) not talking about if u pay or not or your space or not but if they tell u go do that u will go do that even if u like it or not. if i am wrong which i doubt plz do give me a example :) BoB decides what celest does, if bob comes celest run or dock or move to play in empire or on alts. Celest said so themselves.. doesn't that make you puppets yourself?
LordChaos Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:49:00 - [121] Edited by: LordChaos on 02/02/2007 19:48:33 Originally by: Sinlare Originally by: LordChaos Edited by: LordChaos on 02/02/2007 19:38:56 I love Xelas :) they give me free iskies :) btw Xelas/Aftermath/FiX and the rest of u guys allied to BoB .............. u jump when they tell u 2 jump :) not talking about if u pay or not or your space or not but if they tell u go do that u will go do that even if u like it or not. if i am wrong which i doubt plz do give me a example :) BoB decides what celest does, if bob comes celest run or dock or move to play in empire or on alts. Celest said so themselves.. doesn't that make you puppets yourself? first off u didnt answer my question and 2nd how does docking cause u blobbed by a bigger fleet make u a pet to them? anyways answer the first question then answer the 2nd :) i just noticed i didnt really ask a question in the first post ................ lol noob anyways point still stands The Master Of Chaos Celes Celes KB
HuDDy Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:52:00 - [122] LMAO Sinlare incomin Celes forum squad and can someone explain why its only BOB who have all these so called pets and yet D2 have IRON Chrous of Dawn FLA to name a few all livin in there regions but are not classed as such?
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:56:00 - [123] I am glad some Fixians decided to finally post their sigs. I have been bugging them about it. But, I am truely disappointed. FIX has been sporting these sigs for a few days now and I still do not have one. I blame the TCWS guys . . . Yeah . . . . that's it . . . the TCWS guys.
LordChaos Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:57:00 - [124] Originally by: HuDDy LMAO Sinlare incomin Celes forum squad and can someone explain why its only BOB who have all these so called pets and yet D2 have IRON Chrous of Dawn FLA to name a few all livin in there regions but are not classed as such? does D2 own IRON and FLA outposts? and do they go saying on the map that Joshua Foiritain makes that the region is theirs not IRON or FLA? The Master Of Chaos Celes Celes KB
Irishman The Clearwater Society Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 19:57:00 - [125] All I want to know is... Does being muppets make us like... super carebears? If so, that's pretty cool. ----- "Mine is not a holy war." -- Jihad Jerry
HuDDy Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.02 20:07:00 - [126] Both Xelas and Fix have Outposts which they built and own nothing to do with us and thanks for the Clarifcation on the Map so what about Chorus of Dawn?
LordChaos Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.02 20:09:00 - [127] Originally by: HuDDy Both Xelas and Fix have Outposts which they built and own nothing to do with us and thanks for the Clarifcation on the Map so what about Chorus of Dawn? have no idea who they are lol they do have outposts XS and FIX in the region they in, but how come they dont have a section in the map with their alliance on it? The Master Of Chaos Celes Celes KB
DiuxDium Casting Shadows	Posted - 2007.02.02 20:10:00 - [128] E-Honor. E-Honor. E-honor. E-Honor. E-Honor. E-Pride. E-Pride. E-Pride. E-Pride. E-Pride. E-Dignity. E-Dignity. E-Dignity. E-Dignity. This thread is :laffo: as the kids say. Can we get a /history on the Rennard guy? What suddenly made him decide it was his personal war to shame all of BoB's tenants into submission? --------------- PvP in EvE is not consentual.
Rowan Mayfair	Posted - 2007.02.02 20:13:00 - [129] Rennard is a career Pure Blind/Placid pirate.
Machiavelli7 Gallente Obsidian Asylum Pure.	Posted - 2007.02.02 20:16:00 - [130] In the hope of an interesting Friday night eve-o thread let's say for the sake of argument that Rennard is my alt. Well Ave? What u gonna do when BoB has another standings reset? After all, they've got previous form for it..
Audi Amarr The Clearwater Society Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 20:16:00 - [131] Irish, I think Rennard is saying we're more like Paris Hilton, bought and paid for, and that we drive around with our underwear off. At least he's right on one point. Shall I bring the car around about 8:00?
Haizum Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.02 20:23:00 - [132] Originally by: LordChaos Edited by: LordChaos on 02/02/2007 19:38:56 I love Xelas :) they give me free iskies :) btw Xelas/Aftermath/FiX and the rest of u guys allied to BoB .............. u jump when they tell u 2 jump :) not talking about if u pay or not or your space or not but if they tell u go do that u will go do that even if u like it or not. if i am wrong which i doubt plz do give me a example :) I'd like to just comment on this post here and then be done with a thread which is marvellously unravelling in the usual way. Aftermath Alliance was created to secure the space in the Fountain area in the south, the 'core' where the NPC stations lie. Secure it for our members, our interests, and our fun. We moved to a region where we would have a challenge ahead of us, and where our members could get a rich PvP experience; Celestial Apocalypse, Zenith Affinity and others provided this for us, and our killboard shows clearly we got ourselves stuck in. If the Band of Brothers tell us there's a fight to be had in a certain system in the space that we live in, we go to fight - not they say jump and we jump - we want the fight, for fun and for security for us not BoB. Aelena Thraant was correct in saying BoB Guests; pets/slaves are merely derogatory terms primarily used to aggrevate those who wish to live in a certain area. I'm not assuming anything about the OP, from the sounds of it he has extensive knowledge of inter-alliance relationships, but it is actually a shame that this game cannot be enjoyed by those who think in a different way to those alliances friendly to BoB. After all it is designed for various tiers of organisational, mature thinking, why can this not relate to the accompanying forums? Like has been said, if you have a problem with the guests in BoB space, come fight us ingame, not on forums - that can be measured, actually fought, and is infinitely more fun. Shadows of the Dead Recruitment
ShadowlordUK	Posted - 2007.02.02 20:26:00 - [133] I think what the OP is trying to say is... congrats to BoB, but shame on you pet alliences... As the BoB player said... its a game. Of course BoB are going to want people to pay them isk on a regular basis... Thats not wrong, whats wrong is there are actually people out there willing to be pets in the first place... Lets assume we are all geeks... (yes there are a few 'normal' eve players out there, but if you were normal you wouldnt be posting in this thread lol...) Eve being an MMORPG is one of the few places in your tortued existance where you can actually be fearless and conquer all.... so its rather sad to see people being subservient even here... in a game... Ah well.. gl to all the rent payers... i hope that you have more guts in real life then you do in this game. I really do.
Raem Civrie Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.02 20:37:00 - [134] Yes, BoB has several times in the past done a standings reset and flanked their former pet's backsides. But then, their current "pets" or residents or whatever, they now pay rent and often defend the space themselves, which means they are much less at the mercy of BoB than "pets" before them. They are not there solely due to BoB's goodwill, but thanks to a mutual agreement. Woe befall those that surrender their sovereignty to BoB in exchange for simple protection though, placing them completely at their mercy. Well, this goes for everyone else too. If you're going to enter any sort of agreement with a larger, militant entity, do it out of a position of your own strengths (like, say, provide an additional industrial backbone to a PvP alliance, ensuring mutual reliance rather than one-sided reliance). ---- All you do is bark. You never meow.
Galldar Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.02.02 20:42:00 - [135] So if I'm going to burn in Hell for being a so called "pet". Can I have one last request for some nonstick spray for the tin foil so I don't stick to it when I burn?
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 20:43:00 - [136] Originally by: ShadowlordUK I think what the OP is trying to say is... congrats to BoB, but shame on you pet alliences... As the BoB player said... its a game. Of course BoB are going to want people to pay them isk on a regular basis... Thats not wrong, whats wrong is there are actually people out there willing to be pets in the first place... Lets assume we are all geeks... (yes there are a few 'normal' eve players out there, but if you were normal you wouldnt be posting in this thread lol...) Eve being an MMORPG is one of the few places in your tortued existance where you can actually be fearless and conquer all.... so its rather sad to see people being subservient even here... in a game... Ah well.. gl to all the rent payers... i hope that you have more guts in real life then you do in this game. I really do. What a silly post. Guess what, I'm a CEO in RL, I haven't worried about my in game e-ego since I was a kid. I enjoy the game for my own reasons and forming a giant war machine isn't one of them. This is true of 99% of all eve players. I enjoy pvp and thats about it, and if in so doing I'm helping BoB achieve dominion over all of 0.0 so be it, and if I do it against BoB so be it, as long as its fun. I've been on both sides of BoB's blaster fire, more than once, and had fun each direction. It was more fun having BoB with me on my kill mail than being a BoB kill mail but thats a whole different issue
Xelphior Caldari Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.02.02 20:49:00 - [137] Btw, COIN is not bob, regardless of our affiliation to DICE, we are independant and as such not BoB. But TY for respect
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 20:54:00 - [138] Originally by: Machiavelli7 In the hope of an interesting Friday night eve-o thread let's say for the sake of argument that Rennard is my alt. Well Ave? What u gonna do when BoB has another standings reset? After all, they've got previous form for it.. Had to go to the office for a little bit there. I guess 'Rennard' won't be replying further if he hasn't already. Here is a fact that you should be fully aware of Mach; the first NAP that FIX had with BoB was a temporary one, we were made well aware of that from the outset. As for the ghost raising it's head and BoB doing a standings reset like in the past that saw FIX and BoB fighting again... let me ask this, did we see BoB shooting Xelas during that standings reset? No, obviously we didn't, because they had an agreement that was more in depth than a simple temporary NAP. FIX and BoB, don't have a temporary NAP these days. If they come to shoot FIX later on, you can call me a fool then... in the meantime, I'll be sure to make full use of the region I call home. Blog
ShadowlordUK	Posted - 2007.02.02 20:58:00 - [139] Originally by: Herculite Originally by: ShadowlordUK I think what the OP is trying to say is... congrats to BoB, but shame on you pet alliences... As the BoB player said... its a game. Of course BoB are going to want people to pay them isk on a regular basis... Thats not wrong, whats wrong is there are actually people out there willing to be pets in the first place... Lets assume we are all geeks... (yes there are a few 'normal' eve players out there, but if you were normal you wouldnt be posting in this thread lol...) Eve being an MMORPG is one of the few places in your tortued existance where you can actually be fearless and conquer all.... so its rather sad to see people being subservient even here... in a game... Ah well.. gl to all the rent payers... i hope that you have more guts in real life then you do in this game. I really do. What a silly post. Guess what, I'm a CEO in RL, I haven't worried about my in game e-ego since I was a kid. I enjoy the game for my own reasons and forming a giant war machine isn't one of them. This is true of 99% of all eve players. I enjoy pvp and thats about it, and if in so doing I'm helping BoB achieve dominion over all of 0.0 so be it, and if I do it against BoB so be it, as long as its fun. I've been on both sides of BoB's blaster fire, more than once, and had fun each direction. It was more fun having BoB with me on my kill mail than being a BoB kill mail but thats a whole different issue
Kespii Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 21:03:00 - [140] Edited by: Kespii on 02/02/2007 20:59:52 the truth is almost everyone wants Fix dead, we are more likely to get backstabbed by the rest of eve than by bob
ShadowlordUK	Posted - 2007.02.02 21:05:00 - [141] Originally by: ShadowlordUK Originally by: Herculite Originally by: ShadowlordUK I think what the OP is trying to say is... congrats to BoB, but shame on you pet alliences... As the BoB player said... its a game. Of course BoB are going to want people to pay them isk on a regular basis... Thats not wrong, whats wrong is there are actually people out there willing to be pets in the first place... Lets assume we are all geeks... (yes there are a few 'normal' eve players out there, but if you were normal you wouldnt be posting in this thread lol...) Eve being an MMORPG is one of the few places in your tortued existance where you can actually be fearless and conquer all.... so its rather sad to see people being subservient even here... in a game... Ah well.. gl to all the rent payers... i hope that you have more guts in real life then you do in this game. I really do. What a silly post. Guess what, I'm a CEO in RL, I haven't worried about my in game e-ego since I was a kid. I enjoy the game for my own reasons and forming a giant war machine isn't one of them. This is true of 99% of all eve players. I enjoy pvp and thats about it, and if in so doing I'm helping BoB achieve dominion over all of 0.0 so be it, and if I do it against BoB so be it, as long as its fun. I've been on both sides of BoB's blaster fire, more than once, and had fun each direction. It was more fun having BoB with me on my kill mail than being a BoB kill mail but thats a whole different issue I'm surprised that the CEO of a company fails to see the irony of responding to a post that is refering to the general population of eve with the word 'I'.... But perhaps that egotism is what got you your success in rl... Surprisingly most of the player base aren't CEO's of companies...
Irishman The Clearwater Society Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 21:09:00 - [142] Originally by: Audi Amarr Irish, I think Rennard is saying we're more like Paris Hilton, bought and paid for, and that we drive around with our underwear off. At least he's right on one point. Shall I bring the car around about 8:00? Naw bring your motorcycle. I love the breeze between my knees. ----- "Mine is not a holy war." -- Jihad Jerry
Aero089 Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 21:10:00 - [143] Rennard, just go buy a clue okay? Or come back to good old Querious and shoot your mouth off there, we'll be happy to help you with the shooting part. In case you haven't noticed, we're all laughing at you and I wonder who's laughing the most. I reckon it's us. Name your alts too so we know who we're dealing with.
Royaldo Old Farts	Posted - 2007.02.02 21:11:00 - [144] Originally by: ShadowlordUK Originally by: ShadowlordUK Originally by: Herculite Originally by: ShadowlordUK I think what the OP is trying to say is... congrats to BoB, but shame on you pet alliences... As the BoB player said... its a game. Of course BoB are going to want people to pay them isk on a regular basis... Thats not wrong, whats wrong is there are actually people out there willing to be pets in the first place... Lets assume we are all geeks... (yes there are a few 'normal' eve players out there, but if you were normal you wouldnt be posting in this thread lol...) Eve being an MMORPG is one of the few places in your tortued existance where you can actually be fearless and conquer all.... so its rather sad to see people being subservient even here... in a game... Ah well.. gl to all the rent payers... i hope that you have more guts in real life then you do in this game. I really do. What a silly post. Guess what, I'm a CEO in RL, I haven't worried about my in game e-ego since I was a kid. I enjoy the game for my own reasons and forming a giant war machine isn't one of them. This is true of 99% of all eve players. I enjoy pvp and thats about it, and if in so doing I'm helping BoB achieve dominion over all of 0.0 so be it, and if I do it against BoB so be it, as long as its fun. I've been on both sides of BoB's blaster fire, more than once, and had fun each direction. It was more fun having BoB with me on my kill mail than being a BoB kill mail but thats a whole different issue I'm surprised that the CEO of a company fails to see the irony of responding to a post that is refering to the general population of eve with the word 'I'.... But perhaps that egotism is what got you your success in rl... Surprisingly most of the player base aren't CEO's of companies... :) why play the less fun card is what you should have answered.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 21:13:00 - [145] Originally by: Aero089 Rennard, just go buy a clue okay? Or come back to good old Querious and shoot your mouth off there, we'll be happy to help you with the shooting part. In case you haven't noticed, we're all laughing at you and I wonder who's laughing the most. I reckon it's us. Name your alts too so we know who we're dealing with. Let it die Aero, he's not coming back. Blog
Brunswick2 eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.02 21:15:00 - [146] If you really want BoB to fall, you could go out there and fight them yourself instead of asking other people to do it.
Aero089 Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 21:15:00 - [147] But....but... Hey, you're not going to tell me he actually got the message. Are you?. Please say you're not. I wonder if he's ever going to find employment again with that character after this gimmick.
KermitTheFrog Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.02 21:16:00 - [148] Hey everyone, Kermit the Frog here. Just thought I'd make an appearance and ask whats going on in this thread? ---
ShadowlordUK	Posted - 2007.02.02 21:17:00 - [149] snip Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Sevani Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 21:19:00 - [150] There is only one thing left to be said. . . and is said in my new sig to commemorate this fine Friday.
Bizarre TAOSP	Posted - 2007.02.02 21:23:00 - [151] Originally by: Sevani There is only one thing left to be said. . . and is said in my new sig to commemorate this fine Friday. Mine is better kind sir. --------------------
Firane Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 21:25:00 - [152] Originally by: Sevani There is only one thing left to be said. . . and is said in my new sig to commemorate this fine Friday. A fine looking sig it is sir. --- It's great not caring, isn't it?
KermitTheFrog Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.02 21:27:00 - [153] I see alot of my friend in this thread. That makes Kermit the Frog happy! ---
Snodgey2004 Mega Modal M0nkeys	Posted - 2007.02.02 21:27:00 - [154] Originally by: Snodgey2004 If FIX are muppets who's Ms. Piggy and who is Kermit ? Originally by: KermitTheFrog Hey everyone, Kermit the Frog here. Just thought I'd make an appearance and ask whats going on in this thread? Now all I need to know is wheres Ms. Piggy , I can't see if your in FIX but you'll do for now
sherbert lemon Amarr Fleet Of Elite The OSS	Posted - 2007.02.02 21:28:00 - [155] For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. - Some Cool Scientist Basically, for evey rise there is a fall, for every good thing, a bad thing will come. Im not sure why people like me and the other nobodies in EvE worry, because whether we like it or not, its up to the guys who want to fight - to fight over there petit systems, while i sit, lean back, and hit up those miner II's :) Verdict: stop creating spammathon threads and join an alliance that will do something about it, otherwise, your view doesnt really get rated (lol im not actually a big floppy carebear, but u all know what i mean)
KermitTheFrog Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.02 21:31:00 - [156] Originally by: Snodgey2004 I can't see if your in FIX but you'll do for now In spirit man, in spirit. ---
Arowe Telak Warped Mining Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2007.02.02 21:33:00 - [157] It doesn't look like anyone from my alliance has posted yet so I am here to lol at this topic. Sigs are overrated.
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 21:33:00 - [158] Originally by: ShadowlordUK Originally by: ShadowlordUK I'm surprised that the CEO of a company fails to see the irony of responding to a post that is refering to the general population of eve with the word 'I'.... But perhaps that egotism is what got you your success in rl... Surprisingly most of the player base aren't CEO's of companies... Most people aren't ceo's but likewise most people are not.... Quote: Eve being an MMORPG is one of the few places in your tortued existance ...living in a tortured exsistance either. You may have addressed the 'general' population but I can only answer for myself. P.S. Post with your main or is you exsitance so tortured you can't do that either :)
ishkabibble Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 21:37:00 - [159] I just have one thing to say about this thread.... In before lock "I have no clue what weapons we will fight the third world war with, but the fourth world war will be fought with sticks and rocks" - Albert Einstien
Machiavelli7 Gallente Obsidian Asylum Pure.	Posted - 2007.02.02 22:00:00 - [160] Originally by: Avernus Originally by: Machiavelli7 In the hope of an interesting Friday night eve-o thread let's say for the sake of argument that Rennard is my alt. Well Ave? What u gonna do when BoB has another standings reset? After all, they've got previous form for it.. Had to go to the office for a little bit there. I guess 'Rennard' won't be replying further if he hasn't already. Here is a fact that you should be fully aware of Mach; the first NAP that FIX had with BoB was a temporary one, we were made well aware of that from the outset. As for the ghost raising it's head and BoB doing a standings reset like in the past that saw FIX and BoB fighting again... let me ask this, did we see BoB shooting Xelas during that standings reset? No, obviously we didn't, because they had an agreement that was more in depth than a simple temporary NAP. FIX and BoB, don't have a temporary NAP these days. If they come to shoot FIX later on, you can call me a fool then... in the meantime, I'll be sure to make full use of the region I call home. Fair enough Ave. I guess time will tell. PS. Rennard ain't my alt.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 22:05:00 - [161] Yep, I know Rennard isn't yours, posting style is way off. Blog
Machiavelli7 Gallente Obsidian Asylum Pure.	Posted - 2007.02.02 22:08:00 - [162] was just making sure u knew right, i'm off to the boozer. Play friendly peeps.
The Disruptor	Posted - 2007.02.02 22:38:00 - [163] I'm new to corp alliances so can someone explain this? What are pet corps, are they corps bob conquered that now serve them? What is bob's end intention? And from what I've seen of the alliance territory map they will never run out of enemies to fight. Also you're post backfired, because now I'm considering joining them.
ToldYa	Posted - 2007.02.02 22:45:00 - [164] .
Dead Angel The Clearwater Society Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 22:51:00 - [165] .
Lazydog Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 22:54:00 - [166] At the end of the day, everyone who hates fix , wants fix dead, so why do you care so much to try and make us turn face on bob? I'm curious to know just what you would achieve/gain tactically by fix aiding and turning on bob, if people hate fix that much, why worry about us now? clearly we have something of benefit to you? I thought we sucked? thought we were losers, because we fought hard to remain alive and rebuild after coda conflict, instead of like many other alliances just giving up, and will continue to do so. Trust you or trust bob? I'd trust bob cos at least we know where we stand with them whether they are blue or red on our overviews oh yeah ... muppets away
Mebrithiel Ju'wien Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.02 22:55:00 - [167] Originally by: Bizarre Mine is better kind sir. Quoted for truth. Is that a scout headshot? Haven't played since 1.5... www.eve-online.com/evetv
Falryx Caldari Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.02.02 22:58:00 - [168] The short answer is that if BoB resets standings to us one day on a lark and decides to shoot us, we'll do what we do now, what did before we moved into Feythabolis and what we did well before that. We'll play EVE and NBSI. Isn't it obvious? One does hope that we'll have our own muppet sigs by then. Those are cool.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.02 22:59:00 - [169] Originally by: Rennard ...then let's again assume that BoB defeats Ragoon too. If you want to motivate people against BoB, you shouldn't mention such things. ______________ Originally by: Patch86 Combat in EVE is non-consensual. Unlike most games, EVE, by design, forces you to be ready for violence everywhere-even hi-sec space.
Krychton Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.02 23:00:00 - [170] Originally by: The Disruptor I'm new to corp alliances so can someone explain this? What are pet corps, are they corps bob conquered that now serve them? What is bob's end intention? And from what I've seen of the alliance territory map they will never run out of enemies to fight. Also you're post backfired, because now I'm considering joining them. No, this is just someone's lame attempt to rally more people against BoB, because their own hatered exceeds their ability to do anything about it themselves. ---- Krychton 065 If this is all a dream, don't wake me up.
Ikotok The Clearwater Society Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 23:43:00 - [171] All I have to say is...Roflcopter.
Sevani Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.02 23:53:00 - [172] I really just would like to see my sig one more time in this thread. Link Hogthrob, the muppet, is the man! -7
KermitTheFrog Muppet Squad	Posted - 2007.02.03 00:19:00 - [173] Guess whos back?!?! Muppet Squad may have an official announcement soon. By the way hi USN ---
Roflolopter	Posted - 2007.02.03 00:29:00 - [174] Originally by: Ikotok All I have to say is...Roflcopter. You rang?
Mahrin Skel Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 00:34:00 - [175] The end of the CODA war saw FIX torn in three directions, those who wanted to rebuild in some other section of 0.0 joined PURE, those who wanted to ditch all the politics and just pew-pew went to Outbreak (both organizations already existed, and consisted mostly of FIX ex-patriates). What was left had fought to the bitter end in Querious, expecting it to be the end. BoB offered us a deal that would let us rebuild, in Querious where we knew the territory. We took it, and both sides have honored it. FIX was down to less than 400 members at that point (and that's characters, probably half that many actual people), many of our best PvP'ers had left, if we had tried to gather up the scraps and move elsewhere, we would almost certainly have become just another "Dead Alliance". Being hammered flat, defeated in every way, and still managing to have maintained the means to swing the closing battles of the CODA war, all we had left was our honor and our determination not to give up. We took the deal, we rebuilt. FIX now is stronger than the FIX of a year ago, and immeasurably stronger than that of immediately after CODA. FIX lives, and we shape our own destiny. We deal with BoB as partners, not slaves. And frankly, I think many of the alliances who are denigrating us as "pets" are trying to make themselves feel better about their own relationship inside of the power bloc they are allied with. The fact is, with fleets of 100+ capital ships being assembled, more motherships and titans being launched every week, there are only 4 alliances in Eve that can hope to stand alone. Everyone else is having to go to those 4 and make deals, and the fact is that you have overlords as surely as we do. They can take your space if they want it, and all they have to do to make you fall is stand aside. So if it makes you feel better to think "well, at least we're not FIX" you go right on telling yourselves that. But we at least know that our backup is the only one of the major alliances that always honors its deals. There is honor in FIX dealing with BoB, because both BoB and FIX can trust in the word of the other. When BoB comes to us and says "We need this", FIX can say "Well, we'd like to have this". Will your imperial overlords be bargaining in such good faith, come the day? No, "at least you're not FIX." Too bad. --Dave
D'Jannek Amarr StateCorp	Posted - 2007.02.03 00:43:00 - [176] FIX's muppet sigs = win. And on topic somewhat, I do wish folks (and in particular alts) would stop beating this particular horse. You might not agree with the choices of BoB's vassals/guests/whatever, but so what? They play how they like to have fun, and I can see the attraction of being able to pew pew with Uncle Robert's cap fleet covering your back. It's not entirely dissimilar to living out of NPC stations. And it's not as if other major territorial alliances don't have similar arrangements with some entities. If you don't like it, go shoot them, tbh.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.03 00:46:00 - [177] The use of pet and slave's is really sad tbh. So you lot whine that we have nap's etc, but if we were in the future to reset all standing's , you whine? Go figure
Danari Amarr Syncore	Posted - 2007.02.03 01:21:00 - [178] It's really quite simple. Mediocrity will do what mediocrity always does, it moves the past of least resistance to where it can continue aspiring to more mediocrity. At least they give the heroically aspired something to feel elevated over. Seriously, when has rabble ever figured out that they're rabble, in any society.
Manfred Sideous Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 01:31:00 - [179] Edited by: Manfred Sideous on 03/02/2007 01:28:27 Originally by: Snodgey2004 If FIX are muppets who's Ms. Piggy and who is Kermit ? MEH to the Op FIX is FIX you arent in it so dont worry. Manage your own home we will manage ours K Thnx. Edit for spelling
Oisin Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 02:13:00 - [180] Since we're on the subject of honour, tell us if you were in JHENR when they stole allied ships from a friendly POS?
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.03 02:23:00 - [181] Pets are not on the map. I can just imagine the anguish: Quote: Oh dear god! We are not on the map! When we play every day and look at the map, we are not there! Oh whatever shall we do! We cannot not look at the map and not feel a sense of not being in the map because we are not in the map! Is life worth living if we are not in the map? Oh woe! To the OP, I get your initial line of "I am Spartacus!" and it's clear you think you are in a crusade to wake the alliances that live in BoB regions to throw off the chains of slavery (and get on the map!). Unfortunately, the truth of the matter is, we're the best landlords in EVE. BoB regions are arguably safer than empire. We are less intrusive than CONCORD, and we also have the uncanny ability of picking very good "pets". Everyone that lives in our regions are rather pleasant folk. We are conquering EVE to bring ORDER, DISCIPLINE, and DYNAMISM. Those living in our areas get to observe how BoB works. They are free to adopt the good, and reject the bad, thus make improvements to how they operate in relative safety. It is a business deal where all of EVE is free to apply to use the vast untapped resources we manage, and we as landlords are free to choose who we want to work with. They are also free to leave. We do not force them to stay in our regions. In fact, they can declare war on us if they want to. Since they don't have significant structures in BoB space, there's little they can lose if we attack them. Let us assume that you succeed and convince the "pets" to rise up against us. I think that would be interesting. At the very least it would allow me to go: Quote: Why, old chap. I do think that our pets are revolting. Oh really? Well, in some ways the idea of pets has been quite revolting to begin with. I reckon you're being obtuse. Wouldn't you agree that the play of words was quite funny in an unfunny sort of way? Not really.
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.03 02:26:00 - [182] Thats why you are ******* off fix, taking systems from them in querious ?
Torshin TARDZ Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.02.03 02:40:00 - [183] no point in rising up against bob. We would gain nothing from it. BOB has treated us with nothing but honor and respect. They are upfront and civil and always willing to help us whenever a problem may arise. ----------------------------------------------- Offical Tardz Poo-litical Anal-yst
Droewa Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 03:48:00 - [184] What's so bad about being a pet? I get food and water, a warm place to sleep. and if im lucky when i kill people like the author of the OP in this thread. BOB will give me a treat and a nice scratch behind my ears. /me purrs.. .
LordZer00 Caldari Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 04:14:00 - [185] Everyone is someone elses puppet. Its all about knowing who is pulling the strings.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.03 04:19:00 - [186] Edited by: Nez Perces on 03/02/2007 04:19:10 Originally by: Droewa What's so bad about being a pet? I get food and water, a warm place to sleep. and if im lucky when i kill people like the author of the OP in this thread. BOB will give me a treat and a nice scratch behind my ears. /me purrs.. . heh that would be funny .. if it weren't true you are probably not gonna believe this.. but I cancelled my account yesterday and on complete impulse I reactivated it today.. and the primer was this thread. I guess CCP should thank Rennard for an extra month of my subscription fee I used to be a FIX JCoS (Joint Chief of Staff)... and I am going to go on record to say that it makes me very sad to see FIX still living under BoB's rule. How long ago is it now that CODA ended, how much more rebuilding will FIX need to do before casting off the chains of serfdom? I think we all know the answer and that answer is never.... any chances FIX have had to paddle thier own canoe have come and gone. Take Xelas for example.. how long ago did they take the offer from BoB to setup shop in Fountain after they were kicked out of the north.. 2 years? .. something like that. The end of the CODA war was nearly a year ago... and as Droewa mockingly admitted, FIX are quite comfy where they are. The key to all of this is Joshua's EVE-Online map. It gets underestimated at every turn, even by the mapmaker himself... but not by BoB. The EVE-Online map is the live indicator of who is who. Who is going places and who isn't. And by "going places" I mean who is actually partaking in the game mechanics to their fullest and who is going to achieve something with them. By not having a stake on the EVE-Online map, alliances do not have available to them some of the most powerful mechanisms of all in terms of Alliance development >>>> A place on the eve-online map is one of the most powerful diplomatic and recruitment tools available. It proclaims in no uncertain terms that an alliance has earnt the right to exist on the big stage. Alliances that live under another's rule, but with no presence on Joshua's map will experience a slow brain drain in terms of PVP'ers, FC's and general talent towards their host alliance or other alliances that have better status. E.G Admentus Corvion leaving Black Avatar for MC.... I think you get the picture. (N.B - Merc alliances are different in this respect as their goals and PR methods are in a different category) At the birth of FIX there was a video made by a certain FIX pilot, Afecks. It was a spirit rousing piece about how the alliance forged its own destiny and garnerd the motto "Forged in Conflict". At the end of the movie there was a slogan which crystallised the impetus which would guide FIX for much of its existance: "We will govern ourselves". What happened to that?.... maybe its time to ditch the FIX name and go with a new alliance name.... your new sigs should do the trick. Most of the people who get worked up the most about the whole FIX-pet thing are ex-FIXians who feel sick everytime they are reminded that the FIX name, once proud and independent now exists as satellite alliance to BoB. Myself included.. and I am one of BoB's biggest fanboi's .. I love those guys ^^.... FIX on the other hand need to stand on thier own two feet or really ditch the name.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 04:22:00 - [187] Originally by: Exortius Amarrus Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor I am glad some Fixians decided to finally post their sigs. I have been bugging them about it. But, I am truely disappointed. FIX has been sporting these sigs for a few days now and I still do not have one. I blame the TCWS guys . . . Yeah . . . . that's it . . . the TCWS guys. Someone told me you already had a muppet in your sig...
Mahrin Skel Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 05:06:00 - [188] Originally by: Nez Perces What happened to that?.... maybe its time to ditch the FIX name and go with a new alliance name.... your new sigs should do the trick. Most of the people who get worked up the most about the whole FIX-pet thing are ex-FIXians who feel sick everytime they are reminded that the FIX name, once proud and independent now exists as satellite alliance to BoB. Myself included.. and I am one of BoB's biggest fanboi's .. I love those guys ^^.... FIX on the other hand need to stand on thier own two feet or really ditch the name. You had your chance to stay. You, are not "feeling sick" because the once proud FIX ticker now flies in space claimed by BoB. You're having your nose rubbed in the fact that after abandoning us to die in an avalanche you and your cronies triggered, we insisted on living. Hide behind rationalizations of "Well, if you're not on the alliance map, you're not really alive" the same way you used to trumpet how we lived out of BoB owned stations and had none of our own. Pretend to yourself that your predictions of the death of FIX after we rejected making you Dictator were only premature, not flat out wrong. Gloss over your public glee at the hammering we took in CODA (this is what, the 5th time you've said we should drop the FIX ticker?). We live. We grow. We are, at heart, the same band of squabbling, independant, obstinate individualists that has always been the FIX nature, both our greatest weakness and our greatest strength. Sorry if our failure to die is a living reminder of your malfeasance and cowardice, but don't try to pretend that you're some kind of noble hero for running, and we're cowards for staying. --Dave
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.03 05:17:00 - [189] Originally by: Nez Perces Outdated drivel Nez, actually get involved again. You would be surprised. Right now you are ignorant, in the true meaning of the word. Seriously, you're quite wrong about our current view of FIX and our relationship with them. If you want to influence it get back into FIX or get into BoB and actually have some input. I think you'd be remarkably surprised. Blog
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.03 06:21:00 - [190] Mahrin/Dave...either you do not know your history in the slightest or you are frothing at the mouth too much to realise that what you have posted is riddled with complete garbage. For the sake of historical accuracy and having a factual context within which to discourse I will correct you. Originally by: Mahrin Skel You had your chance to stay. You are mistaken.... I was a FIX JCoS twice. My first term extended from being the primary instigator for the birth of the QDF, pre-dating the birth of FIX till the period after the birth of North vs South. I left a week after the declaration of war from Forsaken Empire (the alliance). FIX was in pretty good shape all things considered the FE war was a walk in the park. I left because for the upteenth time the FIX Council proved to be completely inefectual at assisting with the running of the alliance. (The details of which are too complex for this reply). That day the FIX Council tore its own rule book up to satisfy the ego's of a few Councillors. FIX still had a healthy balance of quality FC's the first time I left, with no impending threats on the horizon. My second term was shortly after Wraithstorm was forced to take leave of absence, shortly after the SA civil war when FIX regained Catch through diplomatic means. I left due to RL reasons. Originally by: Mahrin Skel You, are not "feeling sick" because the once proud FIX ticker now flies in space claimed by BoB. You're having your nose rubbed in the fact that after abandoning us to die in an avalanche you and your cronies triggered, we insisted on living. I'm not sure you are even talking about me here... my cronies? who were they? I abandoned nobody to die. Both times I stepped down as a JCoS (Joint Chief of Staff) FIX was in relatively decent shape, at the end of my second term FIX still had possession of Catch and no corps had jumped ship. Originally by: Mahrin Skel Hide behind rationalizations of "Well, if you're not on the alliance map, you're not really alive" the same way you used to trumpet how we lived out of BoB owned stations and had none of our own. Pretend to yourself that your predictions of the death of FIX after we rejected making you Dictator were only premature, not flat out wrong. Gloss over your public glee at the hammering we took in CODA (this is what, the 5th time you've said we should drop the FIX ticker?). Again I don't know who you are talking about with this "Dictator" stuff.. maybe you are talking about Corporal Hicks. As for CODA I was sad that the CODA war worked out the way it did. In fact IMO it should never have happened in the first place. After the SA civil war it was high time that FIX buried the hatchet with SA.... furthermore the eventual fighting with Huzzah displayed a huge lack of foresight.. kindred alliances like Huzzah and FIX should not have been fighting with eachother. If you want to blame somebody for the start of the CODA war blame the JCoS of the day.. Pphearr/Gimp or Gritt Pebbledasher. One of my last major actions as a JCoS was to actually aid SA when G and Iron invaded Paragon Soul.. we had started to build a good relationship with them and FIX should have built on that. If you don't believe me, ask Abriana Overlord. I had already stepped down by the time the decisions leading to the coda war were taken. Originally by: Mahrin Skel We are, at heart, the same band of squabbling, independant, obstinate individualists that has always been the FIX nature, both our greatest weakness and our greatest strength. Sorry if our failure to die is a living reminder of your malfeasance and cowardice, but don't try to pretend that you're some kind of noble hero for running, and we're cowards for staying. --Dave I'll ignore the blatant and completely groundlessd flame here and say that yes FIX may still be obstinate and squabbling... but independent?.... we must have very different definitions of that word.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.03 06:33:00 - [191] Edited by: Nez Perces on 03/02/2007 06:32:27 Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Nez Perces Outdated drivel Nez, actually get involved again. You would be surprised. Right now you are ignorant, in the true meaning of the word. Seriously, you're quite wrong about our current view of FIX and our relationship with them. If you want to influence it get back into FIX or get into BoB and actually have some input. I think you'd be remarkably surprised. Lets say I am ignorant... it is quite feasible considering the length of my inactivity and the fact that I do not peruse the FIX forums. However, you do know that I follow COAD quite closely, and a LOT can be read from within the lines... anybody who knows EVE politics can tell you that. I digress..... I am sure the BoB <> FIX relationship is mutually beneficial (depending on FIX's goals ofc).. certainly BoB get what they want.. you have the firepower to obtain it. You may see what I wrote as outdated drivel... perhaps.. but you have to understand from where FIX came from in the beginning to realise that it may not be all that outdated. The feelings I hold, you will find in many an ex-FIXians all over EVE. A whole alliance in the north formed out of this very same feeling. You know I have a lot of respect for BoB. But answer me this, in principle, what is the intrinsic difference between the relationship between FIX and BoB and the relationship between the new tennants in Feythabalis for example? BoB owns the land..... those in Feyth pay rent, FIX pay tribute in other ways e.g military presence. BoB still owns the land... and I don't mean sovereignty I mean Joshua's map. If I am wrong, enlighten me.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.03 06:41:00 - [192] Originally by: Nez Perces But answer me this, in principle, what is the intrinsic difference between the relationship between FIX and BoB and the relationship between the new tennants in Feythabolis for example? Nez, there are multiple layers to this answer, you will work them out I am sure but if you struggle feel free to convo me. The fact that you have to ask speaks volumes. Don't take that at face value because there are a lot of points in that sentence BL Blog
Weird Beard	Posted - 2007.02.03 06:56:00 - [193] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Nez Perces Outdated drivel Nez, actually get involved again. If you want to influence it get back into FIX or get into BoB and actually have some input. NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! I used to like you Blacklight. The FIX council actually gets along these days. There aren't shadowy backroom politics. There aren't egomaniacal statements coming down from high command. Well...Zang, but thats another story. I'd rather shave my beard, roll it in turds, wrap it in the FIX charter and smoke it, then join Curse Alliance, than see that wingnut in our alliance EVER AGAIN. C'mon...dropping money to re-up an account just to use forums? Just to throw more mud at the alliance he left behind and his corp abandoned? I'm an Ex-JCoS too. I was a councillor during Nez's endgame. Unless there have been thousands of rubles spent on a good therapist and he can get over the lingering vendetta that he's carried against FIX for surviving without him. Thanks...but no thanks. Can't he go play with Outbreak?
Wierd Beard Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 06:59:00 - [194] Ack! Well, I guess the world knows my super secret alt name.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.03 07:09:00 - [195] Edited by: Nez Perces on 03/02/2007 07:06:44 Originally by: Weird Beard I'm an Ex-JCoS too. I was a councillor during Nez's endgame. Unless there have been thousands of rubles spent on a good therapist and he can get over the lingering vendetta that he's carried against FIX for surviving without him. Thanks...but no thanks. Can't he go play with Outbreak? Thats a crock of cow dung WB, my issues with FIX have nothing to do with wether FIX is doing well or not.. infact it would please me greatly to see FIX up on its own two feet claiming its own space some time in the future and for it to regain some of its former status as one of the more powerful entities in EVE. Do I still care about FIX?... yes I do.. enough to reactivate my account to make a forum post... I can't help it, I sunk so much time into FIX that its a part of me..... I feel kind of dirty saying that... as this is a game and all that.. but thats EVE, you get emotionally attatched to stuff in-game.... whether that is sane or not is another matter. The gripe I have with FIX is two-fold.... 1. Avernus.... on account of what happened that fateful day with the FIX Council when Corporal hicks held the alliance to ransom and the FIX Council let him get away with it. Avernus is still running things so yeah I still have a gripe on that issue.. and the fact that FIX in its current state allows more leeway to its Chairman/JCoS.. than was ever allowed when I was in office. And for the fact that I am demonized within FIX for all the wrong reasons.. yeah that ****es me off. 2. The other gripe is that FIX lives an another's land, when the implicit goal of FIX at its foundation was to be an independent entity living with a legitimate claim on a piece of space to call its home. So if you are gonna demonise me and paint me doolally at least do it for the right reasons.. not some you fabricated to amuse your peers.
Wierd Beard Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 07:30:00 - [196] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 03/02/2007 07:06:44 Originally by: Weird Beard I'm an Ex-JCoS too. I was a councillor during Nez's endgame. Unless there have been thousands of rubles spent on a good therapist and he can get over the lingering vendetta that he's carried against FIX for surviving without him. Thanks...but no thanks. Can't he go play with Outbreak? Thats a crock of cow dung WB, my issues with FIX have nothing to do with wether FIX is doing well or not.. infact it would please me greatly to see FIX up on its own two feet claiming its own space some time in the future and for it to regain some of its former status as one of the more powerful entities in EVE. Do I still care about FIX?... yes I do.. enough to reactivate my account to make a forum post... I can't help it, I sunk so much time into FIX that its a part of me..... I feel kind of dirty saying that... as this is a game and all that.. but thats EVE, you get emotionally attatched to stuff in-game.... whether that is sane or not is another matter. The gripe I have with FIX is two-fold.... 1. Avernus.... on account of what happened that fateful day with the FIX Council when Corporal hicks held the alliance to ransom and the FIX Council let him get away with it. Avernus is still running things so yeah I still have a gripe on that issue.. and the fact that FIX in its current state allows more leeway to its Chairman/JCoS.. than was ever allowed when I was in office. And for the fact that I am demonized within FIX for all the wrong reasons.. yeah that ****es me off. 2. The other gripe is that FIX lives an another's land, when the implicit goal of FIX at its foundation was to be an independent entity living with a legitimate claim on a piece of space to call its home. So if you are gonna demonise me and paint me doolally at least do it for the right reasons.. not some you fabricated to amuse your peers. Kk. Fair points. But to your first point. Thats some pretty old stuff. And it seems that it would be between you and another player. Not the alliance. Alot of our guys are clueless as to why theres such strong feelings about the old days. But to your second point. You had to live it to understand it. Easter Egg gone, Catch lost, 3BK and H74 lost. Hemmoraging members faster than rats can leave a burning ship. 9cg was gone. Done. Toast. It just required the time to shoot at it. And BoB offered us a lifeline. If you've got a gang of 10 guys beating the crap out of you, your friends either unable or unwilling to help you. But someone steps up, beats the guys off of your back and offers you his hand in friendship. Should you spit on the guy and just die in the mud? I do appreciate your view of the glowing days of yore, when alliances were small, POSs didn't exist, and we were young strapping lads ready to take on the world alone. But times change. FIX has changed quite literally. New corps in. Old corps out. And the events of the last two years molding us into new forms. Is it absurd to be proud of what our guys have achieved? Bringing one of the oldest alliances back to life from the ashes? Instead of ignobly slinking to empire to become one of those dead alliances that bandwagoned us? I'll tell ya one thing. One thing hasn't changed since I've been in FIX. I'm DAMN proud of our guys. Each and every one. They are the true spirit of FIX. Not ex-leaders (that includes me). Not even current leaders. It's the guys who log in every day to build battleships, bust rocks and bust a cap in our enemies. As long as they believe in FIX, we cannot die. And as long as they are willing to keep fighting the good fight, I'll be standing alongside the loyal brothers who believe in the same thing I do. I believe in FIX.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.03 07:43:00 - [197] Originally by: Wierd Beard [ I'll tell ya one thing. One thing hasn't changed since I've been in FIX. I'm DAMN proud of our guys. Each and every one. They are the true spirit of FIX. Not ex-leaders (that includes me). Not even current leaders. It's the guys who log in every day to build battleships, bust rocks and bust a cap in our enemies. As long as they believe in FIX, we cannot die. And as long as they are willing to keep fighting the good fight, I'll be standing alongside the loyal brothers who believe in the same thing I do. I believe in FIX. Well that was what FIX was always about, the people irrespective of rank that put in the effort every day to make it happen. Cause living in 0.0 and holding your head above water requires substantial effort from everybody. Look.... you guys do what you do for a reason...and yes I have to admit that you do have much to be proud of considering the situation you found yourselves in at the end of the CODA war. You took decisions, which I personally could not have done... (simply out of pride)... but thats another matter. The only thing that I would venture to say is that, to honestly carry the FIX name forward there has to be a stage at which the claiming of 0.0 happens again... and I mean the proper claiming of 0.0 map and all. Comfort breeds inertia..... I guess the question is ... does FIX want to be in the same situation a year from now??...... still unable to claim its own piece of 0.0 And if FIX still holds even a shread of what galvanised its conception in the first place the answer to that question has to be no.
Liet Traep Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.03 07:50:00 - [198] Originally by: Aero089 Everyone that doesn't know FIX calls us pets, I suppose so. Mindless propaganda like this crap you keep posting is the main cause of that. If everyone outside of FIX considers you nothing more than a slave alliance to BoB whose fault is it? Your's for knuckling under and living in their space under their name on the map or everyone else's who have seen you do it. There are two types of people. Those who have self respect and pride in themselves and won't knuckle under even if it means doing something difficult like moving and starting over again elsewhere. And those with no pride who will collaborate with their conquerers and identify with them just because it's easier. I wonder how many Fix and Xelas' best pvp pilots have been snatched up by BoB already to make them stronger and coincedentally keeping you too weak to challenge them?
j0sephine Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.03 08:10:00 - [199] "If everyone outside of FIX considers you nothing more than a slave alliance to BoB whose fault is it? "throw enough mud at the wall and some of it will stick"
Mahrin Skel Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 08:25:00 - [200] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 03/02/2007 07:46:29 Comfort breeds inertia..... I guess the question is ... does FIX want to be in the same situation a year from now??...... still unable to claim its own piece of 0.0 And if FIX still holds even a shred of what galvanised its conception in the first place the answer to that question has to be no. What's the first rule of 0.0 grand strategy? Don't claim what you can't keep. Ignoring that rule in Catch is what started FIX down the road to destruction. If we really pushed it, there's a good chance we could cast loose from BoB completely, make a completely independant claim on Querious, and get on the map just like the old days. That would last maybe a month. Then AAA, backed by RAGOON, would roll us up like a cheap rug. Against the kinds of forces being fielded these days, FIX cannot stand alone, and no other alliance would help us after our close association with BoB. And BoB certainly wouldn't come to our aid if we had sent them packing. Have you been paying attention the last couple of months? Look at the kinds of forces that were being arrayed in that little dustup between IAC and ISS, two minor powers that became the first test of post-Revelations warfare. 100+ capital ships, multiple POS being taken down in multiple systems simulataneously. Totally overwhelming force, first against IAC, then against ISS. We were there, you'd better believe we were paying attention. And if you are in a smaller alliance, ask yourself, honestly, how long could you hold the line against that? FIX has plans for achieving greatness, but they don't include committing suicide so we can wave our e-peen on the Eve Alliances map for a few weeks. Which is what all the goading and jibes about "pets" from other alliances is intended to accomplish, get those aligned with BoB to seperate themselves out and lay their heads on the block. The only way we could cast loose from BoB without immediately getting hammered flat would be to turn our coat, actively conspire with one of the other three power blocks to overthrow BoB. No FIX either of us would want to be a member of could stomach that. Nor would it be likely to profit us, in the end, even if it succeeded. --Dave
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 08:42:00 - [201] Quote: Those with no pride who will collaborate with their conquerers and identify with them just because it's easier. A very common misconception, and the more it gets repeated, the more people seem to think it is what happened. BoB didn't conquer FIX. We had already lost our space and the war against CODA when BoB arrived to fight for Querious; FIX was already defeated in that war, and pulling out for a lack of funds, ships, and people. If FIX had been making a deal with the CODA alliances, I'd have been the first to pack my bags and get the hell out. Perhaps, if you think a little before opening your mouth, you'd maybe find that some of the supposed facts you state to have happened, to be someone else's propaganda that you licked up off the floor of this forum. Blog
Philo Farnsworth	Posted - 2007.02.03 08:54:00 - [202] Originally by: Liet Traep Originally by: Aero089 Everyone that doesn't know FIX calls us pets, I suppose so. Mindless propaganda like this crap you keep posting is the main cause of that. If everyone outside of FIX considers you nothing more than a slave alliance to BoB whose fault is it? Your's for knuckling under and living in their space under their name on the map or everyone else's who have seen you do it. There are two types of people. Those who have self respect and pride in themselves and won't knuckle under even if it means doing something difficult like moving and starting over again elsewhere. And those with no pride who will collaborate with their conquerers and identify with them just because it's easier. I wonder how many Fix and Xelas' best pvp pilots have been snatched up by BoB already to make them stronger and coincedentally keeping you too weak to challenge them? Thank you for clarifying your feelings toward Goonies, IAC, Curse Alliance, SoD and other groups who either hold no space independently, or only do so because you let them, or who consist of corporations which are now collaborating with their conquerors.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.03 08:59:00 - [203] Well now we are getting to the brass tax of the matter....... Originally by: Mahrin Skel What's the first rule of 0.0 grand strategy? Don't claim what you can't keep. Yes you could say that this rule of thumb is a good strategy. I don't know what you get tought in the history lessons down in Querious lecture halls but.. your next statement is way off.. Originally by: Mahrin Skel Ignoring that rule in Catch is what started FIX down the road to destruction. This is simply not true..... FIX held Catch twice. Once by force and once by diplomacy. The first time FIX held catch we rolled in with a hundred man fleet and caught the ex-SA coalition napping, it took them two months to mount a counter offensive and then the FIX-Coalition war raged for two months, the fighting was very intense and FIX had a full rack of FC's (most of the Outbreak guys.. superstar names like Boldyn, Marko Debrault, Mindlles, Cougar One, Lord Sidon the ARIN guys (dutch pvp masters) etc.... too many to mention. It was a good war... but we run out of steam, and had to pull back due to whining by the Council and a glut of dead weight in the alliance that only came to surface during war time. But....FIX had an all-star Chain of command.... some of the best FC's this game has seen. The problem with Catch the first time round was FIX's dead weight... we had too much of it... with non-participation dragging down general morale.. but by no stretch of the imagination were we down and out. What really put a stop to that war though at the end was the North vs South project.... (incidently BoB's idea) .. FIX and SA were forced to the negotiating table and played against eachother so that BoB could get North vs South underway. Fairplay, apparently it had to happen so what can you do. SA and FIX could have turned around and told BoB to stick it but there was so much hate we would have inserted our private parts into a blender before doing that. The second time FIX held Catch, was via diplomacy as a spin-off from the SA civil war post North vs South. FIX blew that by actually fighting SA again and Huzzah when were there was really no need. And frankly FIX was not in a good enough shape for a full scale war. Note that I had stepped down before the war broke out... K. Its not fair to say that going for Catch was FIX's undoing, infact it led to some of FIX's finest hours... FIX's problem was always dead weight and the reluctance or flat out refusal of the FIX Council to do anything about it. The problem FIX had was a perptuating ability for dead weight corps to vote against anything that would threaten their presence in FIX...as every corp had equal voting rights in the FIX Council. Steps were attempted to remedy this but everytime the FIX Council would throw a hissy.... No Catch was not FIX's downfall, it was its form of government..... self-promoting dead weight corps blocking reform. K enough history... [Cont...]
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.03 09:00:00 - [204] Originally by: Evil Thug Thats why you are ***** off fix, taking systems from them in querious ? How can we take that which we already own, ET? Are you conveniently missing the part where we've sectioned off part of Q for further development by people with the means to do so... whilst at the same time giving further control to FIX over other parts? Hardly seems fair that we'd "deal" in this way, does it? Our priority in the space we control is development - that means more outposts. FIX are now doing that in TWO constellations in Querious, instead of the previous one, for the simple transaction of allowing someone else to invest in the area. "*** off FIX"? Mayhaps that is the initial reaction, but long term? I think not ;) Quote:** 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.03 09:01:00 - [205] Originally by: Mahrin Skel If we really pushed it, there's a good chance we could cast loose from BoB completely, make a completely independant claim on Querious, and get on the map just like the old days. That would last maybe a month. Then AAA, backed by RAGOON, would roll us up like a cheap rug. Against the kinds of forces being fielded these days, FIX cannot stand alone, and no other alliance would help us after our close association with BoB. And BoB certainly wouldn't come to our aid if we had sent them packing. Have you been paying attention the last couple of months? Look at the kinds of forces that were being arrayed in that little dustup between IAC and ISS, two minor powers that became the first test of post-Revelations warfare. 100+ capital ships, multiple POS being taken down in multiple systems simulataneously. Totally overwhelming force, first against IAC, then against ISS. We were there, you'd better believe we were paying attention. And if you are in a smaller alliance, ask yourself, honestly, how long could you hold the line against that? Nobody said it was easy... infact holding 0.0 space and claiming it on the map is one of the hardest things an alliance can attempt, particularly in this day and age.... but one thing you have to be prepared to do is move.... i.e Querious is probably unclaimable for the forseeable future. FIX would have to move out and live somewhere else... where that would be would require substantial planning and timing. Having said that there are 8 new regions in teh game..... Querious must be getting boring anyhow. The corps that founded PURE found a way and I was with them.. and I can tell you it was very hard. Originally by: Mahrin Skel FIX has plans for achieving greatness, but they don't include committing suicide so we can wave our e-peen on the Eve Alliances map for a few weeks. Which is what all the goading and jibes about "pets" from other alliances is intended to accomplish, get those aligned with BoB to seperate themselves out and lay their heads on the block. The only way we could cast loose from BoB without immediately getting hammered flat would be to turn our coat, actively conspire with one of the other three power blocks to overthrow BoB. No FIX either of us would want to be a member of could stomach that. Nor would it be likely to profit us, in the end, even if it succeeded. --Dave Well.... I think the issue with FIX is that out of all the BoB tennants, FIX holds the most promise and the one entity that is most likely to hold its own within 0.0 space... I can only suspect that there are many that see it as a crying shame that an alliance with so much percieved potential choses to eschew finding its own feet, for the security provided by residing within BoB space. One thing is for sure FIX is a proud alliance... always has been always will be... or at least I hope it is. I mean you can feel it in the posts you guys make..... how much longer will FIX be a tennant... when it can be so much more? Querious is not the only region in 0.0 now is it. Whilst you live in BoB space, you are not a political factor within your own right, but an appendage of the most powerful alliance in the game.. that is what essentially drives the criticism towards Firmus Ixion.
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.03 09:04:00 - [206] I really don't see the problem here tbh. Some people play this game with the goal of (just a few examples): * Making hoards of money. * Having fun with small scale PVP. * Having fun with larger scale PVP. * Fighting on an alliance scale. * Building an empire. Why should anyone feel ashamed for choosing a playstyle that doesn't involve vast empire building? Why should they feel ashamed for forming a symbiotic relationship with other entities that facilitate their playstyle? Many of the people having a go at BOBs tennants, are on the map due to one thing, the empires allow it. That may come across arrogant, but realistically there are very few 0.0 entities capable of standing up to one of the superpowers. That leaves you with only a limited number of options, and most seem to choose deluding themselves.
D'onryu Shoqui Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.03 09:07:00 - [207] bob has backstabbed its tennants on various occasions why should they not try to break the chains and claim the space they live in as there own? its not like you apear to treat them very well from what i can gather ------------------------------ My opinions are my own and not that of the alliance i belong to.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.03 09:09:00 - [208] Edited by: Plutoinum on 03/02/2007 09:09:10 Some alliances are official pets like the BoB pets, others are within a herd of alliances with their dozens NAPs, all running into the same direction. I don't understand what's so much better and remarkable about being in the latter. edit Most invidiuals aren't free, most corps aren't free and most alliance aren't free in 0.0. Willingly or unwillingly they follow. Maybe some have less freedom than a BoB pet. ______________ Originally by: Patch86 Combat in EVE is non-consensual. Unlike most games, EVE, by design, forces you to be ready for violence everywhere-even hi-sec space.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.03 09:13:00 - [209] Originally by: Plutoinum Some alliances are official pets like the BoB pets, others are within a herd of alliances with their dozens NAPs, all running into the same direction. I don't understand what's so much better and remarkable about being in the latter. The joshua map is the key... are you on it or not? If you are but aligned with another alliance thats called politics.. if you aren't but still aligned with an alliance thats called a tennant/pet/slave whatever. Its a very simple concept and tbh there isnt a lot to argue about. One is par for the course in EVE politics i.e NAPs of convenience, everybody has to at one stage or another.. the other is simply relying on somebody else firepower so that you don't have to fight for the place you live. Two very different situations.
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.03 09:13:00 - [210] Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui bob has backstabbed its tennants on various occasions why should they not try to break the chains and claim the space they live in as there own? its not like you apear to treat them very well from what i can gather I have been a BoB tennant, prior to being IN BoB. I can honestly say that in the entire time I was in that position, there was barely any interaction with BoB at all. We shared intel, we fought next to them, but never did they make us feel anything but an ally. As for "breaking the chains", there aren't any to break. These people work with us because it facilitates the way they want to play the game. If Curse Alliances goal is to become a 0.0 empire, best of luck. But treating people who don't have the same goals as you as slaves or pets is ridiculous.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.03 09:16:00 - [211] Originally by: Liet Traep Originally by: Aero089 Everyone that doesn't know FIX calls us pets, I suppose so. Mindless propaganda like this crap you keep posting is the main cause of that. If everyone outside of FIX considers you nothing more than a slave alliance to BoB whose fault is it? Your's for knuckling under and living in their space under their name on the map or everyone else's who have seen you do it. There are two types of people. Those who have self respect and pride in themselves and won't knuckle under even if it means doing something difficult like moving and starting over again elsewhere. And those with no pride who will collaborate with their conquerers and identify with them just because it's easier. I wonder how many Fix and Xelas' best pvp pilots have been snatched up by BoB already to make them stronger and coincedentally keeping you too weak to challenge them? Reality check for you buddy. Fix was on the verge of total defeat, was battle weary the coda was blobbingthem to death. We swooped in and proverbally saved the day at zero hour and order was restored. You think less of them because they took time to rebuild rather than giving up and starting a new alliance. Every fixian i have met has been a decent peep, they have been rebuilding and built an op etc, regardless of your bias viewpoint, alot of alliances would have crumbled and ran under the pressure they were put under, but according to you that would have been better yeah
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.03 09:17:00 - [212] Originally by: Nez Perces Its a very simple concept and tbh there isnt a lot to argue about. One is par for the course in EVE politics i.e NAPs of convenience, everybody has to at one stage or another.. the other is simply relying on somebody else firepower so that you don't have to fight for the place you live. Two very different situations. For a very simple concept, you seem to have an unusual view on it yourself. Do you think that the smaller "allies" of D2, would have any reliance on them if a large scale war threatened to wipe them out? Do you think that in the BoB model, we mobilise to fight on behalf of our tennants in every war they fight?
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 09:20:00 - [213] Nez, kind of nice to see you back (despite a grudge between us). I'll say one thing about FIX's past that lead to more conflict and internal problems than anything else, was that a lot of things done weren't for pragamatic or realistic reasons or thought. It's extremely easy for people to emotionally spout off on these forums about what so-and-so should be doing. Despite not liking me, you know me fairly well overall; you tell me... am I a person that lacks plans, desires, convictions or motivations... am I a person who has any problems in speaking my mind, or convincing people that a particular direction is the right one to move towards? Finally, when did I ever care what other people in Eve think as long as I had my corp and alliance backing me? You know the answers to those questions. You are right that FIX gets singled out due to it's potential and history... so am I a person more likely to let FIX stagnate, or would I push FIX to become more than it is already? Blog
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.03 09:27:00 - [214] Originally by: Ab Initio For a very simple concept, you seem to have an unusual view on it yourself. Do you think that the smaller "allies" of D2, would have any reliance on them if a large scale war threatened to wipe them out? Do you think that in the BoB model, we mobilise to fight on behalf of our tennants in every war they fight? Well lets talk specifics .. I mean we are already are we not? Which D2 pets are you talking about?.. yes and I know they have them too... ofc frankly I don't give a monkey's crutch about them. My interest is FIX... purely for personal reasons. As for D2 allies that hold their own space.... well I believe they are in a completely different status category to any of your 'tennants'. I know because I have been a part of one of D2's allies... PURE... (coincidently ex-FIX)... and they have complete and utter autonomy of their claimed land. Yes they are napped with D2... but NAPs are not a new thing.... once upon a time the South was all napped up too. As for BoB mobilisation... I do not know when it is that you percieve it necessary to step up and make sure your tennants do not lose their possessions.... but I suspect that it would not be for a moment longer than was necessary. I think its fair to say that BoB would never allow another alliance to claim part of its blue regions for any length of time, be there tennants there or not.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.03 09:31:00 - [215] Originally by: Avernus You know the answers to those questions. You are right that FIX gets singled out due to it's potential and history... so am I a person more likely to let FIX stagnate, or would I push FIX to become more than it is already? I would expect nothing less ofc than for the current set of FIX leadership to push FIX to achieve as much as it can..... like I said, I just hope comfort does not breed inertia. What is it 7 months? and counting since the end of the CODA war? I guess its not the if but when.......
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.03 09:31:00 - [216] Originally by: Nez Perces One is par for the course in EVE politics i.e NAPs of convenience, everybody has to at one stage or another.. the other is simply relying on somebody else firepower so that you don't have to fight for the place you live. Two very different situations. RA+Goon+TCF+CA+IAC fight together and most of them have probably the north napped. They seem to go on an assimilation tour. Everyone, who doesn't shout: 'Hurray RA, hurray Goonfleet !' becomes probably a target of that blob sooner or later. For me they are all puppets. ______________ Originally by: Patch86 Combat in EVE is non-consensual. Unlike most games, EVE, by design, forces you to be ready for violence everywhere-even hi-sec space.
Silinary Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 09:44:00 - [217] If BoB reset standings, and we're on that list of standings to be reset, we'll do what we always do. We'll fight if they come for a piece. Same as last time. Same as the time before then when standings wernt' set initially. No matter how fast you turn your head, you'll never even catch a glimpse of what is going on around you...
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 09:48:00 - [218] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Avernus You know the answers to those questions. You are right that FIX gets singled out due to it's potential and history... so am I a person more likely to let FIX stagnate, or would I push FIX to become more than it is already? I would expect nothing less ofc than for the current set of FIX leadership to push FIX to achieve as much as it can..... like I said, I just hope comfort does not breed inertia. What is it 7 months? and counting since the end of the CODA war? I guess its not the if but when....... It's been at least 6 months, perhaps a little longer. In that time, FIX has gone from 11 corps and about 400 pilots to 12 corps and over 1200 pilots. We dropped one inactive corporation, and added two to our roster, PPL (ex-HDY), and TCWS, a trial member, the only corp of approximately 40-50 who have applied to get entrance to FIX. So in short, we've retained every corporation that came out of the CODA war, and we've tripled our numbers. Growth like that takes time and effort to keep under control, and it also takes time to integrate those people into their corporations and FIX itself. Turning those people into assets takes even more effort. An alliance is only as strong as its corporations, who are only as strong as the individuals within them. I'd lie if I said we hadn't hit a few speedbumps on the way, but we continue to overcome them. Here is the simple thing that it all revolves around... people on the outside look to see external change, and fail to account for internal change. Where FIX internally is better than any time prior to CODA. You have 'fond' recollections of Council... I don't have to deal with an environment like that; I know how hard that may be to imagine all things considered. As you put it, the 'if' isn't at question, the 'when' has and always will be an internal matter that follows the goals we set out for ourselves, and not as others outside FIX think we should do things. There is good reason FIX is still alive and kicking after everyone else around us has died... because we still don't cave to external pressures. Blog
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.03 10:03:00 - [219] Originally by: Avernus Where FIX internally is better than any time prior to CODA. You have 'fond' recollections of Council... I don't have to deal with an environment like that; I know how hard that may be to imagine all things considered. heh... well you are the lucky one... although its not as hard to imagine as you think... infact it would be astounding if FIX was still running the old Council system. It was unrealistic within the EVE framework and counter-productive. There is only one way to do things in EVE... and thats the right way.... a Council does not assist in identifying courses of action.. but on the contrary it slows it down and causes unnecessary friction. I expect FIX these days just lets their Chairman get on with the job with minimal disruption... which is the way it ought to be. Time will tell how the FIX story unfolds... and despite what a lot of you in FIX think.. I sincerely hope you get to where you want to go.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.03 10:09:00 - [220] I personally would sit in Jita and wardec every corp that tried to dock in 4-4. --
Machiavelli7 Gallente Obsidian Asylum Pure.	Posted - 2007.02.03 10:34:00 - [221] /me walks back from the boozer and catches up with this thread again. Boyz, boyz, boyz - look what you've gone and done. You've managed to get Nez to resubscribe \o/ Knew you couldn't leave us Nezzie.
R0ot InNova Tech Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.03 11:02:00 - [222] Originally by: Rennard Or till you learn how to face your fears, combine your forces and fight them... Alright matey lets just say that your completely 100% right and BoB will do exactly what you say. If every one of the so called 'bob pets' banded together to destroy BoB (and actually pulled it off) what then, another super power would have been formed with the same objectives or at least try the same thing bob is doing (winning eve btw). Who cares if they kill d2 and iron and the ragoon im sure more alliances will be formed to try and kill the 'ebal' bob ___________________________________________________________________
Emrod Amarr Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.03 11:18:00 - [223] Edited by: Emrod on 03/02/2007 11:15:42 Edited by: Emrod on 03/02/2007 11:14:28 Bob dont have any slaves,friends or pets.... Because......... There is no BoB in Eve. the end. nulltypo edit LDLQ, the Quebec touch in TCF since 2006
Athelas Loraiel Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.02.03 11:18:00 - [224] Originally by: Ab Initio Do you think that in the BoB model, we mobilise to fight on behalf of our tennants in every war they fight? No. You DOS their enemy's suppliers of fuel, or get a dev to put a specific gate into traffic mode, or even get a POS shield to be an illusion. There are so many options one can't seem to decide easily. CLS.(corp info under avatar doesnt work?) On the lookout for devs in BOB disguise.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.03 11:42:00 - [225] Edited by: Plutoinum on 03/02/2007 11:41:27 Originally by: Athelas Loraiel No. You DOS their enemy's suppliers of fuel, or get a dev to put a specific gate into traffic mode, or even get a POS shield to be an illusion. The old: 'We lost, so you cheat, exploit, have GM and dev support...' story you'll probably find in every pvp mmorpg, when someone pwns and the others look for excuses for their failure. I think it's quite lame, unless there is proof. Let's assume someone from CCP is in BoB, maybe someone who works on the new DX-10 graphics engine, the sound system, flight over planets or the new character generator, why should I care ? Ok, sorry, back to topic. ______________ Originally by: Patch86 Combat in EVE is non-consensual. Unlike most games, EVE, by design, forces you to be ready for violence everywhere-even hi-sec space.
patteSatan Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.03 12:00:00 - [226] Why is it so hard, to sit back, look at BoB, and say:Genious! They have been here a long time before I started playing, always "molle this, molle that". Or the latest drama.... I dont like bob, be sure of that, I dont like the forumwars, I do appreciate dpb trying to explain stuff, in my book its like when seleene writes his war-reports, for a player like me, its information, and it get smacked out of concept really fast. In Sweden, me and my friends played a game named "Risk", it, to make it short, was a game to conquer the map, you had to make sure your flanks was covered, had to make sure reinforcements could come, and so on, BoB excel in that, ffs. I dont have to hate bob, I dislike the foruwhoring, but I do respect what they have done in game so far. People seem to miss that bit, its always : BoB killed <insert corp or alliance>, and I ask..WHEN/WHO/WHERE.. njaeo, I heard it from a friend..... As far as I go: they killed ascn, I was holding my thumbs for ascn, too bad. Do I hate them? no Do I respect them? Hell Yes Do I respect other alliances less because of the former answer? HELL NO! Its a game, they play "risk" and are very good at it, Im just happy I didnt meet BoB in unreal ctf :) This is my own stuff, so no way connected to my alliance or corp. I just want this **** to stop. Regards Patte <br> ...you women are creepy, but amusing as hell.
UGWidowmaker Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.03 13:59:00 - [227] lol... funneh topic.. im a bob pet... look mom im in a bob pet thread, can i go into my cage agai I will make your wife/mann a widow.
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.03 14:10:00 - [228] Edited by: welsh wizard on 03/02/2007 14:06:59 Originally by: patteSatan Why is it so hard, to sit back, look at BoB, and say:Genious! They have been here a long time before I started playing, always "molle this, molle that". Or the latest drama.... I dont like bob, be sure of that, I dont like the forumwars, I do appreciate dpb trying to explain stuff, in my book its like when seleene writes his war-reports, for a player like me, its information, and it get smacked out of concept really fast. In Sweden, me and my friends played a game named "Risk", it, to make it short, was a game to conquer the map, you had to make sure your flanks was covered, had to make sure reinforcements could come, and so on, BoB excel in that, ffs. I dont have to hate bob, I dislike the foruwhoring, but I do respect what they have done in game so far. People seem to miss that bit, its always : BoB killed <insert corp or alliance>, and I ask..WHEN/WHO/WHERE.. njaeo, I heard it from a friend..... As far as I go: they killed ascn, I was holding my thumbs for ascn, too bad. Do I hate them? no Do I respect them? Hell Yes Do I respect other alliances less because of the former answer? HELL NO! Its a game, they play "risk" and are very good at it, Im just happy I didnt meet BoB in unreal ctf :) This is my own stuff, so no way connected to my alliance or corp. I just want this ** to stop. Regards Patte For it to stop both parties have to stop, theres no innocent side here. As admirable as your words are the situation isn't quite that simplistic. If you knew the parties involved and the real reasons for all the arguing and ***ing you'll understand why the rabble will continue until the server shuts down.
Martini20 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.03 14:23:00 - [229] Originally by: Emrod Edited by: Emrod on 03/02/2007 11:15:42 Edited by: Emrod on 03/02/2007 11:14:28 Bob dont have any slaves,friends or pets.... Because......... There is no BoB in Eve. the end. nulltypo edit I like this one
Fabster White-Noise	Posted - 2007.02.03 15:25:00 - [230] I like this tread.
Oisin Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 15:26:00 - [231] Two points. First of all the idea (paraphrasing) that BOB came in to FIX space, took our stations, and those of FIX who stayed in Q are collaborators and BOB pets... is total rubbish. BOB never defeated FIX, for one thing. BOB attacked FIX twice, the first time was in '05 and FIX held out for 4 months until BOB offered a temporary NAP. Yes 4 months, and we will always remember Nez' contribution to that record which nobody has matched to this day. The second time BOB attacked FIX was during the CODA war, when the temporary NAP expired and they reset standings. They destroyed the egg it's true, but when FIX was close to inevitable defeat at the end of the CODA war, BOB took the stations in Querious from CODA after CODA had already taken from FIX, and offered terms to FIX to remain in Q as residents. To me there wasn't any shame in accepting those terms even though I was ex-FIX at the time looking on from the other side of the map. And to be honest, if I hadn't liked the deal it was none of my business then. Once you leave, you leave. If you want a voice again, come back. If you're still welcome, that is.
ptmpredator Gallente Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.03 15:58:00 - [232] i will like to see when ccp makes in legal for BOB to take empire staions, that will be interesting
Helplessandlost Minmatar Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 16:12:00 - [233] I'm Lost "Don't take life too seriously, nobody gets out alive!"
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.03 17:25:00 - [234] Back on the thread, First of all nice to see you Nez, i am happy to see there are people who feel the same things that i feel. Avernus, a word to you. Whatever you say, i mean WHATEVER, this is my answer: Until i see FIX name on that map again, You are not FIX... Maybe it writes under you but it is an illusion and you know that. You are too far from the FIX ideal that you believed in since the beginning. For a long time every war we fought was to protect that name, the honor, the meaning of that name. ...and you deleted that name from the map, is the day you deleted your own ideals for the sake of ISK. It is also the day i was no longer proud of being a fix... You could easily gather up get another land and live with our own FIX, you could even move to the new drone lands and i would still be in FIX defending that land from the invaders. You sold your honor for ISK, makes you no different from a macrominer in my book. You turned the name FIX into something that is no different than the rest 90 random alliance names who has no place and no respect in map. Take RED as example, at some point they seen as dead, but they fought again and again and again and regained their space and put their NAME on that map again. Take SMASH as example, they probably traveled all the galaxy from place to place all the time but they had always a name on the map, respected and remembered. As far as i know, FIX is stronger than the SMASH, XELAS or even RISE. It deserves to have a place on map. But where is the name? If you simply done NAP with BOB, they wouldn't delete your name from the map. It's not a simple NAP and even kids know that. Answer this Avernus and i will no longer ask anything else. Are you planning to bring back the name on map or are you gonna be "pet" forever?
Philo Farnsworth Amarr Kador Development Project	Posted - 2007.02.03 18:20:00 - [235] Are you going to address the same questions to Goonswarm, Curse Alliance, IAC, SoD and whoever else either holds no space on the map, or does so only because AAA lets them, or who have corporations from conquered alliances among them? This is a sad and transparent attempt to drive a wedge between allies. In today's Eve, the map doesn't mean what it used to mean. I have no idea why anyone pays attention to Nez, for example, who has no clue what he's talking about. The map is irrelevant. What matters are the people and what they're doing.
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.03 18:47:00 - [236] Originally by: Philo Farnsworth Are you going to address the same questions to Goonswarm, Curse Alliance, IAC, SoD and whoever else either holds no space on the map, or does so only because AAA lets them, or who have corporations from conquered alliances among them? This is a sad and transparent attempt to drive a wedge between allies. In today's Eve, the map doesn't mean what it used to mean. I have no idea why anyone pays attention to Nez, for example, who has no clue what he's talking about. The map is irrelevant. What matters are the people and what they're doing. This is just an excuse, map is not irrelevant, otherwise 23424234 important people wouldn't be spamming joshua to make cruicial changes. and i don't care about other alliances, you dont understand FIX exceeds many of alliances you mention by pvp skills and friendship bond. They could easily put up their name on that map again by going some other space. It's just that i am sad that they chose to stay for ISK (like its the only space left with arkanor/bistot) and kill their names. The name we fought so hard to keep on map. The ideal that guided us to defend our space zealotly, even when whole EVE attacked at some point. Why give up now?
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.03 18:54:00 - [237] Btw, that map is also shows an EGO war. Do you think BOB would allow FIX to stay there if they rejected to delete their names on the map? BOB wants to be seen they are controlling all the blue places seen on the map and BOB members stated more than once that other alliances living in their map soveirgnty are their "pets" and they are the ones that "own" those lands. Believe me BOB cares the map more than anyone...
Helplessandlost Minmatar Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 19:00:00 - [238] So much love in this thread! "Don't take life too seriously, nobody gets out alive!"
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.03 19:02:00 - [239] yea when you can't give an answer, start smack! I am only waiting for Avernus's answer for my last question then we can lock this.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 19:05:00 - [240] Rennard... sorry, but you just don't get it, and I'm not skilled enough in communication to make you understand. Blog
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.03 19:09:00 - [241] Originally by: Avernus Rennard... sorry, but you just don't get it, and I'm not skilled enough in communication to make you understand. I am sure man of your caliber can understand perfectly what i have written 6 messages earlier and reply with an appropriate answer.
j0sephine Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.03 19:10:00 - [242] "Btw, that map is also shows an EGO war. Do you think BOB would allow FIX to stay there if they rejected to delete their names on the map? BOB wants to be seen they are controlling all the blue places seen on the map and BOB members stated more than once that other alliances living in their map soveirgnty are their "pets" and they are the ones that "own" those lands. Believe me BOB cares the map more than anyone..." OK, BoB has oversized ego which is large reason why they care what gets put on the official map. 'tis hardly a revelation. Question would be, why do you want FIX leaders and members to stoop to the same apparently silly and childish level, and push them into peen-waving competition with BoB? I mean, what do they win by it, in your eyes? 'respect of people on the forum' doesn't seem like very plausible answer, given the amount of smack BoB gets on the forum despite large presence on Josh's map. (nevermind the fact opinions of people on the forum are just that)
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.03 19:11:00 - [243] Originally by: j0sephine "Btw, that map is also shows an EGO war. Do you think BOB would allow FIX to stay there if they rejected to delete their names on the map? BOB wants to be seen they are controlling all the blue places seen on the map and BOB members stated more than once that other alliances living in their map soveirgnty are their "pets" and they are the ones that "own" those lands. Believe me BOB cares the map more than anyone..." OK, BoB has oversized ego which is large reason why they care what gets put on the official map. 'tis hardly a revelation. Question would be, why do you want FIX leaders and members to stoop to the same apparently silly and childish level, and push them into peen-waving competition with BoB? I mean, what do they win by it, in your eyes? 'respect of people on the forum' doesn't seem like very plausible answer, given the amount of smack BoB gets on the forum despite large presence on Josh's map. (nevermind the fact opinions of people on the forum are just that) As ex-fix i have right to talk what FIX has become if we compare to the past, now stfu and go away.
Savesti Kyrsst Minmatar White-Noise	Posted - 2007.02.03 19:13:00 - [244] Originally by: Fabster I like this tread. It delivers, doesn't it? Nice sig
j0sephine Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.03 19:15:00 - [245] "As ex-fix i have right to talk what FIX has become if we compare to the past, now stfu and go away." "yea when you can't give an answer, start smack!" gg ;s
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.03 19:17:00 - [246] Originally by: j0sephine "As ex-fix i have right to talk what FIX has become if we compare to the past, now stfu and go away." "yea when you can't give an answer, start smack!" gg ;s Sorry you don't understand other language. It's been proved in every other BOB topic , your answers are 10% serious 90% smack. Still waiting avernus to give an appropriate answer and this topic will be locked afterthen.
Ikotok The Clearwater Society Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 19:24:00 - [247] This thread needs a good dose of WHACKA WHACKA. Where's Fozzie?
Wierd Beard Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 19:25:00 - [248] Edited by: Wierd Beard on 03/02/2007 19:24:10 Edited by: Wierd Beard on 03/02/2007 19:22:34 Originally by: Rennard Originally by: j0sephine "As ex-fix i have right to talk what FIX has become if we compare to the past, now stfu and go away." "yea when you can't give an answer, start smack!" gg ;s Sorry you don't understand other language. It's been proved in every other BOB topic , your answers are 10% serious 90% smack. Still waiting avernus to give an appropriate answer and this topic will be locked afterthen. Kiddo. Thats what Evemail is for. FIX nor Av owe you any form of explanation for our actions. We might as well keep a role of all ex-FIX alumni and send out a newletter asking everyone who has spent 5 minutes in a FIX corp if what we're doing is ok with them. You can kiss the Southernmost part of a Northbourd Pachyderm. You lost your say when you left tiger. And since we won't want a pilot of your calibre back anytime soon, I guess you'll just have to live without the answers you crave so dearly. Have a nice day. Sorry you don't understand other language. It's been proved in every other BOB topic , your answers are 10% serious 90% smack. Still waiting avernus to give an appropriate answer and this topic will be locked afterthen. edited for wacky quote placement. (twice)
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.03 19:27:00 - [249] Originally by: Rennard Answer this Avernus and i will no longer ask anything else. Are you planning to bring back the name on map or are you gonna be "pet" forever? Is it so hard?
Helplessandlost Minmatar Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 19:33:00 - [250] Originally by: Ikotok This thread needs a good dose of WHACKA WHACKA. Where's Fozzie? WHACKA WHACKA WHACKA WHACKA WHACKA WHACKA /me still wonders what I did to start smack, well except for this maybe "Don't take life too seriously, nobody gets out alive!"
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.03 19:37:00 - [251] Oh weird, i didn't know i asked for rejoining, thanks a lot for reminding me. Whatever Nez said isn't too much different from mine, you just DON'T want to see the truths. Of course you just can't smack to him out of respect. Maybe it's too shameful to answer, running away and ignoring is easier... or smacking... yes best way to change subject...
James Snowscoran Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.03 19:39:00 - [252] Edited by: James Snowscoran on 03/02/2007 19:35:44 Originally by: Rennard Originally by: j0sephine "Btw, that map is also shows an EGO war. Do you think BOB would allow FIX to stay there if they rejected to delete their names on the map? BOB wants to be seen they are controlling all the blue places seen on the map and BOB members stated more than once that other alliances living in their map soveirgnty are their "pets" and they are the ones that "own" those lands. Believe me BOB cares the map more than anyone..." OK, BoB has oversized ego which is large reason why they care what gets put on the official map. 'tis hardly a revelation. Question would be, why do you want FIX leaders and members to stoop to the same apparently silly and childish level, and push them into peen-waving competition with BoB? I mean, what do they win by it, in your eyes? 'respect of people on the forum' doesn't seem like very plausible answer, given the amount of smack BoB gets on the forum despite large presence on Josh's map. (nevermind the fact opinions of people on the forum are just that) As ex-fix i have right to talk what FIX has become if we compare to the past, now stfu and go away. Correction, you're claiming to be ex-FIX, which is something completely different than actually being ex-fix. As long as you can't provide the name of this ex-fix character of yours, your credibility on the subject is going to be very very low. The pilots of FIX probably has a pretty good idea of what it's like being in an agreement of some sort with BoB. At a guess I'd say you probably don't. If they don't have a problem with it, why would you create an issue out of it on their behalf? I mean you can hate FIX as much as you want, I don't think anybody will try to stop you from that, but if you so intensely dislike their relation with BoB why don't you a) try doing something about it (and trust me, a forum war isn't going to help your cause one bit) or b) let it rest ? -----
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.03 19:40:00 - [253] Originally by: Rennard Originally by: Rennard Answer this Avernus and i will no longer ask anything else. Are you planning to bring back the name on map or are you gonna be "pet" forever? Is it so hard? Please no more "suggestions" to me, just answer it and i am done.
Max Flame Aur0ra	Posted - 2007.02.03 19:41:00 - [254] IBTL :P I like to kill people
James Snowscoran Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.03 19:42:00 - [255] Edited by: James Snowscoran on 03/02/2007 19:38:51 Originally by: Rennard Answer this Avernus and i will no longer ask anything else. Are you planning to bring back the name on map or are you gonna be "pet" forever? Just to try to answer your question: Joshua Foiritain, my CEO, makes the territorial map. CSYN lives in fountain, as guests of BoB. Or pets, if you prefer that term. If we felt like it, I suppose we could make him put our name on the map covering a constellation or single system or something. Would that make us non-pets? -----
ArchenTheGreat Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.03 19:46:00 - [256] Originally by: Ab Initio Originally by: Nez Perces Its a very simple concept and tbh there isnt a lot to argue about. One is par for the course in EVE politics i.e NAPs of convenience, everybody has to at one stage or another.. the other is simply relying on somebody else firepower so that you don't have to fight for the place you live. Two very different situations. For a very simple concept, you seem to have an unusual view on it yourself. Do you think that the smaller "allies" of D2, would have any reliance on them if a large scale war threatened to wipe them out? Do you think that in the BoB model, we mobilise to fight on behalf of our tennants in every war they fight? FOF got help from D2 when we were killing their POSes. So I think they will help other alliances in north too.
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.03 19:47:00 - [257] Originally by: James Snowscoran Edited by: James Snowscoran on 03/02/2007 19:38:51 Originally by: Rennard Answer this Avernus and i will no longer ask anything else. Are you planning to bring back the name on map or are you gonna be "pet" forever? Just to try to answer your question: Joshua Foiritain, my CEO, makes the territorial map. CSYN lives in fountain, as guests of BoB. Or pets, if you prefer that term. If we felt like it, I suppose we could make him put our name on the map covering a constellation or single system or something. Would that make us non-pets? Put your name if you have guts, I bet you anything you can't keep it like that more than a week. Yes that would make you non-pets and i would accept your presence with utmost respect.
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2007.02.03 19:57:00 - [258] Originally by: Rennard Originally by: James Snowscoran Edited by: James Snowscoran on 03/02/2007 19:38:51 Originally by: Rennard Answer this Avernus and i will no longer ask anything else. Are you planning to bring back the name on map or are you gonna be "pet" forever? Just to try to answer your question: Joshua Foiritain, my CEO, makes the territorial map. CSYN lives in fountain, as guests of BoB. Or pets, if you prefer that term. If we felt like it, I suppose we could make him put our name on the map covering a constellation or single system or something. Would that make us non-pets? Put your name if you have guts, I bet you anything you can't keep it like that more than a week. Yes that would make you non-pets and i would accept your presence with utmost respect. Respect is earned by a map. A map that is made by a guy who is not apart of ccp. I read this post up to the 6th page. Stopped. And read this page. Its just repeating itself. Rennard claiming some stuff about fix, but not revealing which of his aneu style alts have been in their. Lets not forget he named his corp Aku Soku Zan which means "kill evil switfly" (if I remeber right). When is your corp going to recruit? 1 guy in a corp thats supposed to kill evil (not forum posting). Fix laughing at him (atleast in my non sober state thats what I am gathering). --------------------------- What ever I say is my own views and not of my corp.
James Snowscoran Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.03 20:07:00 - [259] Originally by: Rennard Originally by: James Snowscoran Edited by: James Snowscoran on 03/02/2007 19:38:51 Originally by: Rennard Answer this Avernus and i will no longer ask anything else. Are you planning to bring back the name on map or are you gonna be "pet" forever? Just to try to answer your question: Joshua Foiritain, my CEO, makes the territorial map. CSYN lives in fountain, as guests of BoB. Or pets, if you prefer that term. If we felt like it, I suppose we could make him put our name on the map covering a constellation or single system or something. Would that make us non-pets? Put your name if you have guts, I bet you anything you can't keep it like that more than a week. Yes that would make you non-pets and i would accept your presence with utmost respect. Well, I'm pretty sure that if Josh felt like it he could remove BoB from the map altogether and put, say, Aku Soku Zan there instead. It wouldn't actually make you super-powerful though. If he put CSYN on the map it wouldn't mean that we somehow rebelled against BoB. Maybe this is hard to understand for you, but for some people, what you accomplish ingame means more than how you're represented on a map. -----
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 20:26:00 - [260] Rennard, the following is the only answer you are going to get on this matter, and it is more than you deserve. You feel you have the right to question myself and FIX due to your past affiliation with our alliance. Here is what bugs me about your approach... during the time period that you were in FIX (or any other time period for that matter), posting under an alt would be ridiculed by FIX and you'd come under the scrutiny of your own corpmates were your identity to come out. You've explained to me that you don't want to reveal your other characters due to your positions in corporations with them. That is understandable to a degree, but it sure the hell isn't the way we do things in FIX. We don't hide behind alts, we accept responsibility for our own actions. In my eyes, you don't exemplify what it is FIX stands for, and because of that, you truely don't deserve an answer for questioning FIX. You don't respect FIX, and you close your eyes to the answers that have been given to you; you seem to have an inability to take what has been offered at face value. I strongly feel that any answer I give that doesn't meet your approval will simply be labeled by yourself as something that 'proves' FIX doesn't hold to the ideals we state to believe. Perhaps against my better judgement, your answer; There used to be two schools of thought in FIX. One said that the space you inhabit defines your alliance, by extension, that believe holds dear that the Eve-O map is a very important facet of alliance politics that can not be ignored. The other school of thought says that the space you inhabit isn't important. The only thing that holds true value is the corporations and the members that make up your alliance. We don't define ourselves and our place in Eve by a map on Eve-O. Speaking of definitions, it is a weak minded alliance that allows those outside it to define them for who they are. We do not pander to the masses, or seek public approval for our thoughts and actions. Here is a fact: FIX doesn't need the map; not for recruitment, not for prestige, and certainly not for want of ego. It is useless to us, it provides us no benefits that are tangible or otherwise. Let others quibble over it. The only people who truely care about that map, aren't in FIX... and that means, their opinion doesn't count. Respect has never been earned through that map, and it has lost respect for several who have whined and cried over every little detail as they seek to have an area marked as conflicted rather than just a warzone, because for them it is all they really have to measure themselves by. How sad is it when an alliance puts so much of themselves into what a little marker has to say on a map when it has no effect on what is happening in the reality of in-game? As useful and nice as that map is, I spit on the thought of seeing people put themselves on that level. I hold no fault to those who go there to state simple updates. Outside perception of FIX has no real bearing on our actions; the day that becomes otherwise, is truely the day FIX has changed for the worse. Our focus is internal, because the only people that can make a difference, who can grow FIX to become better than we were the day before, are those within. For some reason, that ticks people off. We don't care what others think, we don't care if we're called slaves or pets, or any other supposedly slanderous term people try to label us with. Any alliance that allows itself to believe in the labels given to them by others are pathetic and deserves to be crushed, because they have no heart, and no place in 0.0 space. People have tried for three years to attach a label, starting as CFS slaves, to FA lapdogs, to BoB pets. None ever succeeded, none ever will. FIX is FIX, there is no other definition to be had. Our plans and our goals belong to us alone, and we will make our place in Eve as we choose to, not as others would have us do. Av. Blog
Tiwaz Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2007.02.03 20:31:00 - [261] Originally by: HuDDy LMAO Sinlare incomin Celes forum squad looking at this tread i found Huddy here trying to be funny. So let me join in on the forum squad. LMAO? huddy???. who the F.. are you and what gives you the right to act big. i remember when rrk was nothing more than a shadow of celes. If it wasent for EVOl, rrk would still be just that. and here we have huddy.. thinking he is big. talking like he has shown us his skills "ingame". Forum squad?? you belong to just that, nothing more. anyway back on topic. whatever that was. L33t pvp'er Tiw
Admentus Cor'vion Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.03 20:32:00 - [262] Originally by: Avernus Rennard, the following is the only answer you are going to get on this matter, and it is more than you deserve. ... You've explained to me that you don't want to reveal your other characters due to your positions in corporations with them. That is understandable to a degree, but it sure the hell isn't the way we do things in FIX. We don't hide behind alts, we accept responsibility for our own actions. In my eyes, you don't exemplify what it is FIX stands for, and because of that, you truely don't deserve an answer for questioning FIX. You don't respect FIX, and you close your eyes to the answers that have been given to you; you seem to have an inability to take what has been offered at face value. I strongly feel that any answer I give that doesn't meet your approval will simply be labeled by yourself as something that 'proves' FIX doesn't hold to the ideals we state to believe. Perhaps against my better judgement, your answer; There used to be two schools of thought in FIX. One said that the space you inhabit defines your alliance, by extension, that believe holds dear that the Eve-O map is a very important facet of alliance politics that can not be ignored. The other school of thought says that the space you inhabit isn't important. The only thing that holds true value is the corporations and the members that make up your alliance. We don't define ourselves and our place in Eve by a map on Eve-O. Speaking of definitions, it is a weak minded alliance that allows those outside it to define them for who they are. We do not pander to the masses, or seek public approval for our thoughts and actions. Here is a fact: FIX doesn't need the map; not for recruitment, not for prestige, and certainly not for want of ego. It is useless to us, it provides us no benefits that are tangible or otherwise. Let others quibble over it. The only people who truely care about that map, aren't in FIX... and that means, their opinion doesn't count. Respect has never been earned through that map, and it has lost respect for several who have whined and cried over every little detail as they seek to have an area marked as conflicted rather than just a warzone, because for them it is all they really have to measure themselves by. How sad is it when an alliance puts so much of themselves into what a little marker has to say on a map when it has no effect on what is happening in the reality of in-game? As useful and nice as that map is, I spit on the thought of seeing people put themselves on that level. I hold no fault to those who go there to state simple updates. Outside perception of FIX has no real bearing on our actions; the day that becomes otherwise, is truely the day FIX has changed for the worse. Our focus is internal, because the only people that can make a difference, who can grow FIX to become better than we were the day before, are those within. For some reason, that ticks people off. We don't care what others think, we don't care if we're called slaves or pets, or any other supposedly slanderous term people try to label us with. Any alliance that allows itself to believe in the labels given to them by others are pathetic and deserves to be crushed, because they have no heart, and no place in 0.0 space. People have tried for three years to attach a label, starting as CFS slaves, to FA lapdogs, to BoB pets. None ever succeeded, none ever will. FIX is FIX, there is no other definition to be had. Our plans and our goals belong to us alone, and we will make our place in Eve as we choose to, not as others would have us do. Av. This is why Avernus > you! Nice post. Your signature is too large. Please see the Forum Rules for the limits - Serathu ([email protected])
Bizarre TAOSP	Posted - 2007.02.03 20:34:00 - [263] Originally by: Tiwaz Originally by: HuDDy LMAO Sinlare incomin Celes forum squad looking at this tread i found Huddy here trying to be funny. So let me join in on the forum squad. LMAO? huddy???. who the F.. are you and what gives you the right to act big. i remember when rrk was nothing more than a shadow of celes. If it wasent for EVOl, rrk would still be just that. and here we have huddy.. thinking he is big. talking like he has shown us his skills "ingame". Forum squad?? you belong to just that, nothing more. anyway back on topic. whatever that was. L33t pvp'er Tiw Tiwaz is still a bad ass! ON THE FORUMS! Unlike your pathetic corporation, Reikoku evolved and are now one of the best and most influental corporations in EvE. Meanwhile your corp continues to run away from every challenge while trying to claim fame in the hopes to one day achieve what Reikoku has achieved. Keep trying squire! --------------------
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.03 21:04:00 - [264] Avernus, why waited 2 more pages to post this. If you said in the beginning "We don't care what others think, we don't care if we're called slaves or pets", i wouldnt take this thread to this point. Unfortunately some of your members rejected this label and told that they are "getting sick of" being called one and tried to prove it wrong. If you accept it then there is no problem. Thread was about pets, i think many things cleared up about how pets feel about their situation. Like i said this was my last "pet" thread. You can cheer up, dance and party now If any mods is reading this, lock the thread please.
Kashre Minmatar Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 21:09:00 - [265] Originally by: Avernus Big long post. Av wins the forums, everyone go home. +++ "Etiquette is for the Dojo. In war there is only victory or death." - Eiji Yoshikawa
Mahrin Skel Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 21:10:00 - [266] Originally by: Rennard Put your name if you have guts, I bet you anything you can't keep it like that more than a week. Yes that would make you non-pets and i would accept your presence with utmost respect. And at last we get an admission of the OP's real agenda: Get FIX to destroy itself by appealing to our pride. FIX's pride isn't in that map, and when and if the day comes that we are back on it, it will be in recognition of a state of affairs that already existed: FIX lives. 7 months ago, FIX was right at the edge of death. Out of ships, out of money, out of time, out of hope. In that dark place, BoB offered us a light, a road out, a chance to rebuild, one they didn't have to give us but that offered benefits to both sides. They could simply have told us to get lost, Q was theirs and we were in no state to challenge that. There were any number of alliances or large corps they could have brought in to act as the police force for Q, people with no history there who would have accepted less favorable terms because they had never had more. The OP, the smacktalkers, all of the others who talk about BoB "pets", think that by treating us with contempt we will somehow like them more and BoB less. On the one hand, we have those who only wish us ill, telling us that if we have any pride we'll throw off our ties to BoB and stand alone. On the other hand, we have the pre-eminent military power of Eve, honoring its deals. The friend that respects us, or the enemy that derides us? Hmm, I wonder which one we'd rather be in the same side with? Here's a hint, guys: If you want to increase the amount of solidarity in the BoB powerbloc, making them ever more likely to gladly offer what BoB has never demanded; help grinding your petty tin-pot empires to dust, keep treating everyone who works with BoB with hostility and contempt. And someday, when one of the superpowers (and it's as or more likely to be one you currently think is a friend as it is to be BoB) decides it's useful or expedient to wash your patch of color off the map, you can ask yourself if it was worth it. --Dave
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 21:11:00 - [267] /Doesn't think the post sank in... doesn't care, others will 'get it'. If you want to lock the thread Rennard, send a mail to the mods. Blog
Lazydog Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.03 21:12:00 - [268] Rennard.. Would I be wrong in thinking that you have only recently (last couple of months tops) left fix? just for the record, that map does'nt mean anything to me prsonally, in fact the amount of times i've looked at it, in 2 years for updates i can count on one hand, and when I have, even after its been updated, its not exactly what you'd call 100% accurate all the time is it? Fix will get back on that map i'm sure of it, right now we have better and more important things to be getting on with.
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.03 21:18:00 - [269] Originally by: Mahrin Skel 7 months ago, FIX was right at the edge of death. Out of ships, out of money, out of time, out of hope. In that dark place, BoB offered us a light, a road out, a chance to rebuild, one they didn't have to give us but that offered benefits to both sides. The thing is i don't believe FIX was upon disbanding, FIX could go and grab a piece of any region as i know you guys well. I also was expecting some decision like that, you didn't need BOB's mercy in the first place. But let's not open up same things again. Post reported...

Kreul Intentions Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.02.03 22:00:00 - [270] Locking per OP request. forum rules \| [email protected]


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