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Caesar Shepherd School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.02.17 23:42:51 - [1] - Quote Hello, new player here. I'm a new miner and, I'm wondering why suicide ganking is even profitable. Most people use a Catalyst (or some type of destroyer or bigger). On my local market a Catalyst costs about 1.1M ISK (and that doesn't even include weapons). If I'm mining in a venture, you could definitely kill me before Concord arrives... big deal. A venture is pretty cheap and I can't imagine that the loot I leave behind is worth the destroyer... (is loot in EvE randomly generated?) If I'm mining in something bigger like a Hulk or Covetor, then yeah I'll drop more loot but your chances of breaking through my HP before Concord arrives will be a lot lower (unless you get a bigger ship, but that's also more expensive) So why bother? I'd think you could make more ISK mining yourself or waging war in nullsec with your corporation... The only reason I can think of is if a corporation wants to hold a monopoly on ore/minerals. Do people just cause they're bored? Thanks Caesar
Crosi Wesdo War and Order 1799	Posted - 2016.02.18 00:21:56 - [2] - Quote ISK is not always the driving factor. As with all PVP in eve, no matter what you feel, just say 'GF' (good fight) after the deed is done. And if it was particularly one sided you might want to throw in a 'nearly had you', too. Beyond that, the next step is making yourself look just as vulnerable as the first time, but through fitting or friends be far more ready for them the next time.
Paranoid Loyd 8438	Posted - 2016.02.18 00:31:33 - [3] - Quote Ganking is only profitable if the "victim" allows it to be. Properly fitting your ship and/or choosing the correct ship for the conditions can easily make ganking unprofitable. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!
Sean Parisi Blackrise Vanguard 722	Posted - 2016.02.18 05:04:44 - [4] - Quote Driving factor for targeting mining barges is probably the disparity of ISK loss imo. Its less about making ISK and more about "My catalyst(s) cost 1-5 mil each and your hulk is worth 300 mil. It is also just about power / getting kill mails. There are some rare situations with miners where it is profitable (some guy has ore strip miners or something). Otherwise if gankers want profit they go for haulers. Edit: To be honest I would actually say they should make tech 2 mining barges somewhat cheaper. Just my conjecture though; otherwise I would say if gankers really bother you - run a procurer / skiff.
Arla Sarain 757	Posted - 2016.02.18 08:37:03 - [5] - Quote Pretty sure market manipulation fits in there somewhere. Imagine you gank a freighter full of moon goo or PI stuff. You get to withhold the delivery of this supply to the market, when there is a daily consumption and demand to fulfil. Now do this several times per day, and you can get yourself a large quantity of this supply, and effectively manipulate it's release. Hold this share of items to be sold, you also hold the power to drive the prices up or down. Of course this would rarely be discussed outside of inner circles and even rarer to be documented. But if I had to overheat my tinfoil hat, I'd say every freighter ganked by CODE. is kept track of by Gewns, along with where the drops go. I this a good conspiracy theory for the morning coffee?
ALUCARD 1208 Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop 434	Posted - 2016.02.19 19:23:02 - [6] - Quote i can tell you code. do it mainly for the tears and tantrums yes they get stinking rich from frieghters but the miners tears are always forthcoming also FOR FUN BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
Irya Boone Never Surrender. 472	Posted - 2016.02.20 19:19:03 - [7] - Quote ganking is mostly about tears or to stay this system is ours So why bother? for fun and to collect tears , tears = water and salt water in important in space .. and salt mandatory for bacon .. CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !! you shall all bow and pray BoB
Demerius Xenocratus Rapid Withdrawal 783	Posted - 2016.02.21 04:34:14 - [8] - Quote Because people are really stupid, and tend to assume they're perfectly safe in high sec.
Scotchmo Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2016.02.21 22:30:06 - [9] - Quote Profit is not the driving factor when ganking miners generally.
Nalia White Tencus 160	Posted - 2016.02.22 23:38:30 - [10] - Quote Irya Boone wrote: ganking is mostly about tears or to stay this system is ours So why bother? for fun and to collect tears , tears = water and salt water in important in space .. and salt mandatory for bacon .. he gets it right. the reasoning behind it is... fun

Ragged Starkiller Hoplite Brigade Starkmanir Unification 10	Posted - 2016.02.26 19:07:52 - [11] - Quote Isk is not EvE. As much as you having fun in what you do, you are ok. PvP is exiting, dangerous, - you need to know your enemy otherwise you are fighting blind.
Brokk Witgenstein Extreme Agony The Wraithguard. 263	Posted - 2016.04.27 22:55:29 - [12] - Quote To OP : think of it as encouragement to get into PvP. They shoot miners and autopiloting noobships just :because:. Don't look for a reason, there is none. Getting CODEkkened is kind of your 'first trial', a defining moment for your EvE character. Do you rage? Code wins. Do you fkk mining and get your PvP on? Or perhaps you think "eyyy cheap kills- I can do that too!" sure, go ahead. You can factor in your losses (oh wait-- after insurance, you didn't even lose anything, am I right?) and keep on the industrial track. Essentially, you learnt that Concord is there to punish, not protect, and are now presented with a choice. Why they do it doesn't even matter - the question is what will you do?
Reaver Glitterstim Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore 2935	Posted - 2016.05.01 04:36:27 - [13] - Quote I sometimes suicide gank mining barges. It's not directly profitable (usually) but it's not much of a loss, either. It is more important for me to enforce my ideals upon these people. I want them to play a certain way and this game gives me a chance to punish them for not playing it that way. If I see someone AFK mining in a Hulk with no tank mods, it makes me want to shoot them because it makes me angry. FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post." Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Jan van Riebeeck Forte. 2	Posted - 2016.05.01 06:14:18 - [14] - Quote Caesar Shepherd wrote: Hello, new player here. I'm a new miner and, I'm wondering why suicide ganking is even profitable. Most people use a Catalyst (or some type of destroyer or bigger). On my local market a Catalyst costs about 1.1M ISK (and that doesn't even include weapons). If I'm mining in a venture, you could definitely kill me before Concord arrives... big deal. A venture is pretty cheap and I can't imagine that the loot I leave behind is worth the destroyer... (is loot in EvE randomly generated?) If I'm mining in something bigger like a Hulk or Covetor, then yeah I'll drop more loot but your chances of breaking through my HP before Concord arrives will be a lot lower (unless you get a bigger ship, but that's also more expensive) So why bother? I'd think you could make more ISK mining yourself or waging war in nullsec with your corporation... The only reason I can think of is if a corporation wants to hold a monopoly on ore/minerals. Do people just cause they're bored? Thanks Caesar The right way to play EVE, is to play it in a way that is fun for YOU. Gankers enjoy ganking, so they are playing EVE in a way that is right for them.
Professor Humbert Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium 17	Posted - 2016.05.02 06:39:29 - [15] - Quote FUN cannot be measured in game currency. You can help the gankers to have "extra" FUN by providing them increased chance of picking up high value loots.
Bing Bangboom DAMAG Safety Commission 460	Posted - 2016.05.03 18:51:58 - [16] - Quote The answer is, as many commenters have implied, is that the best profit isn't measured in ISK. Ganking miners makes me happy. Forcing miners, mining corps and even whole alliances to accept the Code and buy permits makes me the hap-happiest player in all Eve. Educating some highsec denizen that they are, despite their years of on-line gaming experience, not an awesome winner but are in fact, just another, slightly smarter, target rat and that all that ISK they are stuffing in their wallet will never make them respected.... well, as the commercial says... "priceless". The very idea that its just a matter of grinding away a fortune in the ice fields, investing that money into pvp ships and, presto chango, the former ISK-grubber now becomes a fearsome master of combat is the common delusion of the entire highsec community. Well, it won't happen. They are sheep and will always BE sheep. Helping them realize this is my reward. Being a wolf among sheep, now THAT is profitable. Forcing other players to bend to our will, that's where we get paid. When a miner explodes the reward is measured way beyond the cost of what was lost and what was gained in ISK. Another player defied us... and lost. You cannot put a price on that. Highsec is worth fighting for. By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.-á www.minerbumping.com
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 5056	Posted - 2016.05.04 01:04:48 - [17] - Quote Reaver Glitterstim wrote: I sometimes suicide gank mining barges. It's not directly profitable (usually) but it's not much of a loss, either. It is more important for me to enforce my ideals upon these people. I want them to play a certain way and this game gives me a chance to punish them for not playing it that way. If I see someone AFK mining in a Hulk with no tank mods, it makes me want to shoot them because it makes me angry. How are those anger management classes working for you? Seriously, unless it's a bot - who are you to impose your particular play style on others? I've seen properly tanked miners ganked, too - so it has less to do with opportunity and more with players who just enjoy being dicks. Btw, there's no such thing as a "gf" for getting ganked... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Kaska Iskalar Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 59	Posted - 2016.05.04 01:30:24 - [18] - Quote Don't mine AFK and/or tank your ship. Problem solved.
Kaska Iskalar Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 59	Posted - 2016.05.04 01:33:08 - [19] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: Seriously, unless it's a bot - who are you to impose your particular play style on others? You realize the same question applies to you, right? Why should someone have to stop PvPing because you don't feel like tanking your ship and/or actually playing the game? You got exactly what it says on the tin, a game with no safe zones. If you don't like it go play WoW. Who are you to impose your playstyle on Eve?
Calivess Avada Nightlight Manufacturing 11	Posted - 2016.05.15 23:58:26 - [20] - Quote Imagine you're in the quad at your university. To the left, you see a pack of nerds playing with their calculators. To the right, you see the offensive linemen of the football team talking to each other. Suicide gankers are the kids with the wallet chains who say "Fighting is what it's all about!!". Then, they quietly slip past the offensive linemen, kick the sht out of the nerds, and then post status updates on their Facebook accounts about how tough they are. So, it's really not about ISK at all. It's about compensation for insecurity. PvP is out there, all over the place. And the above posters are right; there's no such thing as "safe" in EVE. As soon as you undock, you consent to PvP. Obviously people like the now-defunct CODE. could find all the PvP they could ever want in low/null space. So, it's not about them looking for PvP. It's simply nothing more than schoolyard bullying. But now that CODE. has stopped hobbling and gasping for air, and has finally died, suicide ganking is even more of a rarity than it was before. "Great job shooting things that cant shoot back. You're a regular scourge of New Eden"* -Lament von Gankenheim from CODE. in response to someone destroying their POCOs.

Yang Aurilen The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1208	Posted - 2016.05.16 01:06:18 - [21] - Quote Calivess Avada wrote: Imagine you're in the quad at your university. To the left, you see a pack of nerds playing with their calculators. To the right, you see the offensive linemen of the football team talking to each other. Suicide gankers are the kids with the wallet chains who say "Fighting is what it's all about!!". Then, they quietly slip past the offensive linemen, kick the sh*t out of the nerds, and then post status updates on their Facebook accounts about how tough they are. So, it's really not about ISK at all. It's about compensation for insecurity. PvP is out there, all over the place. And the above posters are right; there's no such thing as "safe" in EVE. As soon as you undock, you consent to PvP. Obviously people like the now-defunct CODE. could find all the PvP they could ever want in low/null space. So, it's not about them looking for PvP. It's simply nothing more than schoolyard bullying. But now that CODE. has stopped hobbling and gasping for air, and has finally died, suicide ganking is even more of a rarity than it was before. More like: Nerd 1: Nerd 2 is getting better grades than me I need to make him "get" into an accident so he misses the midterms/finals. Hey you Suicide Ganker go shoot him up so he looses time and money recovering Suicide Ganker: Sure thing gimme the tools and it's done oh and some money for the job. Result: Nerd 1 becomes top of the class while Nerd 2 is ranked 4th or something while Suicide Ganker is rolling in dosh after laying low from the police. Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Substantia Nigra Polaris Rising The Bastion 1502	Posted - 2016.05.17 03:29:08 - [22] - Quote Lots of reasons, and different folk have different reasons. Suicide-ganking serves many purposes in eve. It can be profitable, depending on target choice and operation efficiency. ItGÇÖs almost always fun and usually also teaches both gankers and gankees somethings about eve. Quality ganking is also technically demanding, as anyone who has gone after that whale jump-freighter or purple-fit ratter knows. Ganking can also be used for higher strategic purposes GÇª such as identifying and taking out your enemyGÇÖs hisec logistics chains. Also, as folk have already alluded, ganking can provide a platform for various nutjobs - Is CODE. Really dead? Ganking miners is not so likely to be profitable from an isk-perspective but it can be a lot of fun. The tears alone can make it very entertaining, even if the gank itself fails. Miner ganking can be quite technical too, especially if youGÇÖre solo or two-ship, because picking and choosing your targets and mode of damage delivery can make a big difference. A long time ago I used to think of ganking as a low-skill lowlife type of activity. I did not know, at that time, just how varied and demanding it was. Then alliance mates started putting some alts with miniluv and their reports back were very entertaining, so I gave it a try. I did bumper work and DPS work, and then branched out to do some solo miner ganking, and alliance level ratter ganking (alpha rather than DPS). They were all fun and challenging in their own way, and taught me a lot about the game dynamics of eve. I canGÇÖt imagine doing it fulltime to the exclusion of other things, but it is a much fun thing to give a go. I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Trace Kel'le Royal Industrial Co. Silent Requiem 0	Posted - 2016.05.20 12:57:29 - [23] - Quote Yang Aurilen wrote: [quote=Calivess Avada]Imagine you're in the quad at your university. More like: Nerd 1: Nerd 2 is getting better grades than me I need to make him "get" into an accident so he misses the midterms/finals. Hey you Suicide Ganker go shoot him up so he looses time and money recovering Suicide Ganker: Sure thing gimme the tools and it's done oh and some money for the job. Result: Nerd 1 becomes top of the class while Nerd 2 is ranked 4th or something while Suicide Ganker is rolling in dosh after laying low from the police. What you are describing is almost exactly like Tonya Harding-Nancy Kerrigan olympics controversy. So ill give version 3 of what really happens Nerd 1 has some perceived slight from Nerd 2(who cares what it is, its all rationalization for revenge fantasies). Nerd 1 hires suicide merc ganker and suicide merc ganker takes him out. Nerd 1 is still a loser because if he was as good as you say he wouldn't need a suicide ganker to get on top. Nerd 2 recovers after a while(long or short) because hes a very capable player and likely a member of a very good corp and alliance. Suicide merc Ganker is rolling in dosh but eventually blows it on something because they need to support their eve lifestyle including their ganking for lulz addiction. Nerd 1 being the Tonya Harding space-trash loser he is has done this several times so eventually someone hires another ganker to gank Nerd 1.
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 4297	Posted - 2016.05.20 14:05:36 - [24] - Quote Mercenary work in general consists of outlandishly rich mercenaries being paid by peasants to brutalize other peasants. It's really quite funny.
Artama Shardani Viziam Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2016.06.14 01:36:59 - [25] - Quote Crosi Wesdo wrote: ISK is not always the driving factor. As with all PVP in eve, no matter what you feel, just say 'GF' (good fight) after the deed is done. And if it was particularly one sided you might want to throw in a 'nearly had you', too. +1 My last loss mail was someone ganking my rookie ship, with one trit in it.
Harok Dunaila School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.08.11 10:15:45 - [26] - Quote As a miner i just want to add something. An 8 million ship should not be able to kill a 220 million ship, that is the case right now. If you compare it to other ships it would be the same as a cruiser shooting a dreadnought. I wonder how ppls would react to that. If they bring 30 catalyst they should only be able to kill 1 exhumer and not everyone in the belt. That is what they call 'balanced pvp'. Sorry but ganking is for people who have no skill.... training for a catalyst and kill ships worth 25 times more is wrong. Compared to another new guy who needs to train for a mining barge / exhumer and spend 25 times more the isk than that ganker. There is no reason you can tell me it is right. It is also through that injustice that people leave. isk is $, don't tell me it is not. So do not try to tell new ppls nonsense it is their own fault. It is a fault in the game. Why should a ganker not need to pay as much as a miner ? isk or $ Same for freighters. Should be 162 catalyst needed to shoot 1 freighter. That is balance. I play hardcore games like diablo 3 and am forty years old, i played unreal, starcraft lmany other competitive pvp games, this game is the only game where pvp is so much unbalanced. No need to reply on me, i just keep mining with a stupid skiff while i play competitive games like heroes of the storm or starcraft 2 where 'skill' matters. Try become the season champion of starcraft 2, that's quite the hardest game out there skillwise, So much micro managing, reflexes, adrenaline, etc....
Princess Adhara University of Caille Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2016.08.12 03:49:50 - [27] - Quote Harok Dunaila wrote: As a miner i just want to add something. An 8 million ship should not be able to kill a 220 million ship, that is the case right now. If you compare it to other ships it would be the same as a cruiser shooting a dreadnought. I wonder how ppls would react to that. If they bring 30 catalyst they should only be able to kill 1 exhumer and not everyone in the belt. That is what they call 'balanced pvp'. Sorry but ganking is for people who have no skill.... training for a catalyst and kill ships worth 25 times more is wrong. Compared to another new guy who needs to train for a mining barge / exhumer and spend 25 times more the isk than that ganker. There is no reason you can tell me it is right. It is also through that injustice that people leave. isk is $, don't tell me it is not. So do not try to tell new ppls nonsense it is their own fault. It is a fault in the game. Why should a ganker not need to pay as much as a miner ? isk or $ Same for freighters. Should be 162 catalyst needed to shoot 1 freighter. That is balance. I play hardcore games like diablo 3 and am forty years old, i played unreal, starcraft lmany other competitive pvp games, this game is the only game where pvp is so much unbalanced. No need to reply on me, i just keep mining with a stupid skiff while i play competitive games like heroes of the storm or starcraft 2 where 'skill' matters. Try become the season champion of starcraft 2, that's quite the hardest game out there skillwise, So much micro managing, reflexes, adrenaline, etc.... So a US$ 100,000.00 missile shouldn't sink a $ 100,000,000.00 ship? Sorry, but isk tank = worst tank.
Harok Dunaila School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.08.12 11:02:34 - [28] - Quote In this game a $ 100.000 (cruiser) CAN NOT kill a $ 100.000.000 Dreadnought, never ever will happen. So that comparison from real life is nonsense...
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 17362	Posted - 2016.08.12 12:31:28 - [29] - Quote Harok Dunaila wrote: In this game a $ 100.000 (cruiser) CAN NOT kill a $ 100.000.000 Dreadnought, never ever will happen. So that comparison from real life is nonsense... Ermm yes, a cruiser could definitly kill a buffer fit drednought given enough time. An active for one provided it isnt cap stable. =]\|[=
Faylee Freir Facetious Indifference Vendetta Mercenary Group 251	Posted - 2016.08.14 19:48:07 - [30] - Quote Harok Dunaila wrote: As a miner i just want to add something. An 8 million ship should not be able to kill a 220 million ship, that is the case right now. If you compare it to other ships it would be the same as a cruiser shooting a dreadnought. I wonder how ppls would react to that. If they bring 30 catalyst they should only be able to kill 1 exhumer and not everyone in the belt. That is what they call 'balanced pvp'. Sorry but ganking is for people who have no skill.... training for a catalyst and kill ships worth 25 times more is wrong. Compared to another new guy who needs to train for a mining barge / exhumer and spend 25 times more the isk than that ganker. There is no reason you can tell me it is right. It is also through that injustice that people leave. isk is $, don't tell me it is not. So do not try to tell new ppls nonsense it is their own fault. It is a fault in the game. Why should a ganker not need to pay as much as a miner ? isk or $ Same for freighters. Should be 162 catalyst needed to shoot 1 freighter. That is balance. I play hardcore games like diablo 3 and am forty years old, i played unreal, starcraft lmany other competitive pvp games, this game is the only game where pvp is so much unbalanced. No need to reply on me, i just keep mining with a stupid skiff while i play competitive games like heroes of the storm or starcraft 2 where 'skill' matters. Try become the season champion of starcraft 2, that's quite the hardest game out there skillwise, So much micro managing, reflexes, adrenaline, etc.... Youre wrong and this post is bad. It all depends on how you use the ship. Just because a ship is more expensive doesnt mean it should be invulnerable. So by your logic a dictor bubble shouldnt effect a Titan? Ganking is profitable because the victims make it that way. HTFU

Harok Dunaila School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.08.17 09:53:50 - [31] - Quote Again a comparison without sense... An interdictor does not kill the titan alone. It will call on other people or a fleet. Alot different then an expensive mining ship compared to a catalyst. The catalyst wins, which is silly since you do not need to put as much skillpoints, isk and time(profession) into it to fly a t1 frigate. I am talking 1 v 1 fights here. Like titan <-> interdictor, dreadnought <-> cruiser, exhumer <-> t1 frigate... Ganking mining ships is overpowered. The ganker must not spend as much $ / isk / skillpoints / time for profession (warp newbie asteroid belt <-> mining 30 minutes for little isk) compared to the miner. Maybe compare it to another mmo where a lvl 100 goes killing newbies in a starter area.... You lose no $ While in Eve a lvl 100 gets killed by a lvl 20 and it costs you $ 4.... If you fly a skiff and kill the catalyst he lost only 16 cents and i am not even talking about time needed to train skills.... It is not that it has only been this way that it is the best way... Why do new people leave, especially new miners... You will never be able to reach the masses if this game is only for an elite few who hold the isk / money... Same for goonswarm against MBC, the one with the most money will win..... All because of people do not want to lose their own ship / isk / $ for nothing... Only the rich can. It is a pitty since this universe is made for millions of players. End of story, over and out...
Faylee Freir Facetious Indifference Vendetta Mercenary Group 264	Posted - 2016.08.17 11:55:32 - [32] - Quote Harok Dunaila wrote: Again a comparison without sense... An interdictor does not kill the titan alone. It will call on other people or a fleet. Alot different then an expensive mining ship compared to a catalyst. The catalyst wins, which is silly since you do not need to put as much skillpoints, isk and time(profession) into it to fly a t1 frigate. I am talking 1 v 1 fights here. Like titan <-> interdictor, dreadnought <-> cruiser, exhumer <-> t1 frigate... Ganking mining ships is overpowered. The ganker must not spend as much $ / isk / skillpoints / time for profession (warp newbie asteroid belt <-> mining 30 minutes for little isk) compared to the miner. Maybe compare it to another mmo where a lvl 100 goes killing newbies in a starter area.... You lose no $ While in Eve a lvl 100 gets killed by a lvl 20 and it costs you $ 4.... If you fly a skiff and kill the catalyst he lost only 16 cents and i am not even talking about time needed to train skills.... It is not that it has only been this way that it is the best way... Why do new people leave, especially new miners... You will never be able to reach the masses if this game is only for an elite few who hold the isk / money... Same for goonswarm against MBC, the one with the most money will win..... All because of people do not want to lose their own ship / isk / $ for nothing... Only the rich can. It is a pitty since this universe is made for millions of players. End of story, over and out... Sorry story isnt over. Theres nothing wrong with a ship thats made,for combat being able to destroy a ship that was desig ed to mine asteroids. The fact is that most of the time a Catalyst will win in a toe to toe fight... But if you know youre going to lose that fight in your mining ship there are things you can do to evade death such as: Watching local, set standings for ganking pilots and their alts so you can spot them easier, stay aligned, fit for tank instead of yield, orbit the asteroids, and much more. New people leave because eve is not for everyone. The moment eve tries to become that game like wow is when eve loses the magic of what makes the game unique. So i always challenge newbros to do some reseach into what they want to do and full prepare themselves to deal with both the npc and mechanical difficulties of the game as well as the real players thay can interfere. HTFU
Dirty Forum Alt Forum Alts Anonymous 544	Posted - 2016.08.17 12:09:00 - [33] - Quote Calivess Avada wrote: But now that CODE. has stopped hobbling and gasping for air, and has finally died, suicide ganking is even more of a rarity than it was before. People keep posting this...but every other thread on the forums is still about...you guessed it...CODE. - and how they keep ganking people... The killboard also still says they are averaging more than 4,000 kills every single month - and are on track to break 4,000 kills again this month... But I suppose I can't blame you guys for arbitrarily declaring yourselves the winners and saying CODE. is dead/defeated. After all - Some noob called "James 315" who you all think about 24/7 pioneered that "tactic".... You have all clearly been brainwashed without even noticing.
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 2228	Posted - 2016.08.17 12:26:56 - [34] - Quote There are different types of ganking, what is profitable: Ganking T1 industrials, ganking DST's or BR's, ganking Freighters, Bowheads, Orcas and Jump Freighters, all carrying cargo, some with no tank and with little care. It is fairly easy money, but the bigger ships need a bit more organisation and co-ordination and multi-tasking skills. Ganking bling fitted mission and Incursion boats. What is not profitable is blowing up mining ships, pods and T2 fitted ships without cargo. However it can get murky, because there are reasons to gank mining ships, because some resources are scarce like ice for example, then you have the act of selling those ships and modules. But look at CODE as having some people who like to be part of the cool kids club donating ISK to CODE to kill those carebears that are ruining the game meme type thing. CODE donations are an income source. So while CODE may not appear to be profitable on the face of ganking mining ships take note of the donations, though they are not what they were. Just see it as part of the fun of Eve and you have two objectives here, the first is to fit for yield and fly cheap in safe no action system and keep an eye on what goes on, or you fit for tank, get in a Skiff and tank it to hell and accept a low yield while having the fun of watching people blow up around you while your drones are getting CODE kills. When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
Faylee Freir Facetious Indifference Vendetta Mercenary Group 264	Posted - 2016.08.17 13:02:02 - [35] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: There are different types of ganking, what is profitable: Ganking T1 industrials, ganking DST's or BR's, ganking Freighters, Bowheads, Orcas and Jump Freighters, all carrying cargo, some with no tank and with little care. It is fairly easy money, but the bigger ships need a bit more organisation and co-ordination and multi-tasking skills. Ganking bling fitted mission and Incursion boats. What is not profitable is blowing up mining ships, pods and T2 fitted ships without cargo. However it can get murky, because there are reasons to gank mining ships, because some resources are scarce like ice for example, then you have the act of selling those ships and modules. But look at CODE as having some people who like to be part of the cool kids club donating ISK to CODE to kill those carebears that are ruining the game meme type thing. CODE donations are an income source. So while CODE may not appear to be profitable on the face of ganking mining ships take note of the donations, though they are not what they were. Just see it as part of the fun of Eve and you have two objectives here, the first is to fit for yield and fly cheap in safe no action system and keep an eye on what goes on, or you fit for tank, get in a Skiff and tank it to hell and accept a low yield while having the fun of watching people blow up around you while your drones are getting CODE kills. Ganking mission runners can be profitable, but theres far less out there with officer modules and such as there are anti-tanked freighters with 8b+. Also ganking a mission runner is for the most part easier since you dont worry about bumping and other mechanics.. They dont fit active tanks so you just burn through them. Can be done on undocks a lot... https://zkillboard.com/kill/52048880/ thats a prime example of why ganking is profitable. Those are rare, but killmails like that are the desire of any ganker. HTFU
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 2228	Posted - 2016.08.17 13:12:43 - [36] - Quote Faylee Freir wrote: Dracvlad wrote: There are different types of ganking, what is profitable: Ganking T1 industrials, ganking DST's or BR's, ganking Freighters, Bowheads, Orcas and Jump Freighters, all carrying cargo, some with no tank and with little care. It is fairly easy money, but the bigger ships need a bit more organisation and co-ordination and multi-tasking skills. Ganking bling fitted mission and Incursion boats. What is not profitable is blowing up mining ships, pods and T2 fitted ships without cargo. However it can get murky, because there are reasons to gank mining ships, because some resources are scarce like ice for example, then you have the act of selling those ships and modules. But look at CODE as having some people who like to be part of the cool kids club donating ISK to CODE to kill those carebears that are ruining the game meme type thing. CODE donations are an income source. So while CODE may not appear to be profitable on the face of ganking mining ships take note of the donations, though they are not what they were. Just see it as part of the fun of Eve and you have two objectives here, the first is to fit for yield and fly cheap in safe no action system and keep an eye on what goes on, or you fit for tank, get in a Skiff and tank it to hell and accept a low yield while having the fun of watching people blow up around you while your drones are getting CODE kills. Ganking mission runners can be profitable, but theres far less out there with officer modules and such as there are anti-tanked freighters with 8b+. Also ganking a mission runner is for the most part easier since you dont worry about bumping and other mechanics.. They dont fit active tanks so you just burn through them. Can be done on undocks a lot... https://zkillboard.com/kill/52048880/ thats a prime example of why ganking is profitable. Those are rare, but killmails like that are the desire of any ganker. Yeah, they were listed above as being profitable but I did not make it as clear as it could have been in terms of my posts layout When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
Nitshe Razvedka 1224	Posted - 2016.08.17 16:18:54 - [37] - Quote Nitshe says don't gank! Makes you smell bad. Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS. Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.
Faylee Freir Facetious Indifference Vendetta Mercenary Group 267	Posted - 2016.08.17 18:39:21 - [38] - Quote Nitshe Razvedka wrote: Nitshe says don't gank! Makes you smell bad. Youre entitled to your opinions The truth is that ganking is profitable because of two reasons greedy or stupid haulers carrying too much and not taking enough precautions and the gankers that minmax their operations and are efficient at what they do. HTFU
Elyham Gordon Gekko Trading Academy Peaceful Industrialists 46	Posted - 2016.08.19 20:46:49 - [39] - Quote I have always found miners to be an unusually angry bunch of folks. Very distressing when you are a peaceful industrialist just looking to help others out. Elyham Director, Mining Buddy Program Notice From: Palinthiun To: Elyham, Any corp you join we will get u, You will die, your paladin will be destroyed, you will not be able to run. Your game as in EVE will be nothing but walking around your cpts quarters.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 26672	Posted - 2016.08.24 10:44:26 - [40] - Quote Harok Dunaila wrote: An 8 million ship should not be able to kill a 220 million ship Why not? Ships are tools, much can be accomplished if tools are used correctly; with that is mind are you also saying that a cheap sledgehammer shouldn't be able to total an expensive object? Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.



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