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Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 4989	Posted - 2016.02.18 08:50:02 - [1] - Quote Polarized Machariel: Where have you been all my life? These performance spec are unreal! GÇó 238 m/s velocity, 0.0515x inertia (Synthetic Hull Conversion Nanofiber Structure) GÇó 1922 m/s MWD / 2745 m/s overheated (Gist X-Type 500MN MWD, Shaqil's Speed, Zor's Hyper-Link) GÇó 4.01 AU/s warp speed (High-grade Ascendancy 1-5), 6.76s align time (EM-706) GÇó 132.4 HP/s shield recharge (cap stable; Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster); 412.9 HP/s (X-Large Ancillary; 27 charges) GÇó 10 targets, active target lock out to 60km (Auto Targeting System II); 156mm scan resolution; 350m signature The offensive stats are where it totally blows my mind: GÇó 1543 DPS @ 43.6km (Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon); 1775 DPS overheated! GÇó 360 rounds of ammunition @ 14.1 minutes of non-stop firing (not going to be very long overheated!) GÇó 102 DPS (5 'Augmented' Hornets) or 246 DPS (2 Geckos) There are a few key things with this fit: GÇó No Hyperspacial Velocity rigs to bloat the awesome signature and a fast native speed to tank a lot of incoming damage. It has a really fast align and still does 4AU/s, so with most missions at most 1 jump out it doesn't need insane warp speed (it's still faster than anything else). It does however, need higher inertia to attain velocities faster. GÇó Cap stable to perma-run the Gist X-Type large shield booster and leave enough for maneuvering and contingencies. GÇó Auto targeting system because @ 2.35s ROF you need more targets and the ability to auto-lock aggressors so this doesn't negatively impact your DPS. Even if you don't activate it it gives you +3 targets passively. GÇó I opted for the Gist X-Type MWD because even though it has higher fitting requirements and cap usage, it has the lowest signature bloom when activated. This combination reduces damage considerably @ 2k m/s. I'm sure I've gone overboard on a few items, and I could probably downgrade the MWD to a Domination version, ditch the Faction stasis web for a cap recharger and downgrade two of the Gyrostabilizers to T2 versions. [Machariel, Machariel] Domination Gyrostabilizer Tracking Enhancer II Domination Gyrostabilizer Synthetic Hull Conversion Nanofiber Structure Domination Gyrostabilizer Tracking Enhancer II Domination Gyrostabilizer Gist X-Type 500MN Microwarpdrive Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster Gist X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400 Domination Stasis Webifier Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Republic Fleet EMP L Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Republic Fleet EMP L Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Republic Fleet EMP L Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Republic Fleet EMP L Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Republic Fleet EMP L Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Republic Fleet EMP L Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L Auto Targeting System II Large Processor Overclocking Unit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I 'Augmented' Hornet x5 Gecko x2 Republic Fleet EMP L x10000 Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L x10000 Navy Cap Booster 400 x18 I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 10891	Posted - 2016.02.18 11:53:17 - [2] - Quote Welcome to the world of non-missile polarised weapon systems! Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m! Bumble's Space Log
King Aires Chicks on Speed Mordus Angels 176	Posted - 2016.02.18 15:16:51 - [3] - Quote Being ganked by two tornados guaranteed every time... Seriously a bait punisher has more ehp than that thing
Sobaan Tali Caldari Quick Reaction Force 818	Posted - 2016.02.19 00:56:23 - [4] - Quote Surprised it wasn't a Barghest. Though admittedly the Mach does better with mobility overall. Also, just 'cause I know someone will ask, I'd imagine the Phased Plasma in gun 7 is meant to be EMP like the others unless you are using Plasma. "Tomahawks?" "----in' A, right?" "Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each." "----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
Tarojan Tarojan Corporation 215	Posted - 2016.02.19 13:46:08 - [5] - Quote A fit I will try if and only if CCP make a pve server. Will gank for food
Cassius Rex Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 0	Posted - 2016.02.19 13:50:44 - [6] - Quote Tarojan wrote: A fit I will try if and only if CCP make a pve server. So... never.
Mina Sebiestar Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate 1045	Posted - 2016.02.19 17:37:20 - [7] - Quote Saw similar fit on youtube hi did angel extra in like 20min without bonus room....wandering why is that. @ 53.6km that fit w/o implants do sub 600dps w implants it does 700dps on a static target add target movement and add your 2kms and things gonna get missed.... your drone got aggro they will die will never catch up in time to dock -2 geckos ouch!. I want to like it i really do but what stuff are on it i don't see huge if any benefit over standard mach. Typhoon Fleet Issue SOE skin for the win.
The Bigpuns Touring New Eden Haven. 103	Posted - 2016.02.19 17:44:34 - [8] - Quote Mina Sebiestar wrote: Saw similar fit on youtube hi did angel extra in like 20min without bonus room....wandering why is that. @ 53.6km that fit w/o implants do sub 600dps w implants it does 700dps on a static target add target movement and add your 2kms and things gonna get missed.... your drone got aggro they will die will never catch up in time to dock -2 geckos ouch!. I want to like it i really do but what stuff are on it i don't see huge if any benefit over standard mach. Arthur do like his paper stats.
Tarojan Tarojan Corporation 215	Posted - 2016.02.19 17:45:21 - [9] - Quote Cassius Rex wrote: Tarojan wrote: A fit I will try if and only if CCP make a pve server. So... never. My point exactly. Will gank for food
SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 2011	Posted - 2016.02.19 19:02:02 - [10] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: GÇó 1543 DPS @ 53.6km (Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon); 1775 DPS overheated! It doesn't even do that on paper. "Help, I'm bored with missions!" http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

Sobaan Tali Caldari Quick Reaction Force 818	Posted - 2016.02.19 20:28:13 - [11] - Quote SurrenderMonkey wrote: Arthur Aihaken wrote: GÇó 1543 DPS @ 53.6km (Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon); 1775 DPS overheated! It doesn't even do that on paper. Actually, you do with implants. Imps for falloff, RoF, and damage on 7, 9, and 10 respectively gives you those numbers (I actually have slightly worst DPS but better falloff, but my PyFa may be behind an update). "Tomahawks?" "----in' A, right?" "Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each." "----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 2017	Posted - 2016.02.19 23:12:46 - [12] - Quote Sobaan Tali wrote: SurrenderMonkey wrote: Arthur Aihaken wrote: GÇó 1543 DPS @ 53.6km (Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon); 1775 DPS overheated! It doesn't even do that on paper. Actually, you do with implants. Imps for falloff, RoF, and damage on 7, 9, and 10 respectively gives you those numbers (I actually have slightly worst DPS but better falloff, but my PyFa may be behind an update). On paper, it does that DPS at a little over 3km. "Help, I'm bored with missions!" http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 13705	Posted - 2016.02.20 00:46:23 - [13] - Quote So since I had some polarized gun lying around I fit my ratting mach up with them and ran a couple forsaken hubs. It was a noticeable difference. I'll link the fit when I get home, posting from this tablet sucks lol.
Chainsaw Plankton Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 2306	Posted - 2016.02.20 04:17:46 - [14] - Quote Mina Sebiestar wrote: Saw similar fit on youtube hi did angel extra in like 20min without bonus room....wandering why is that. @ 53.6km that fit w/o implants do sub 600dps w implants it does 700dps on a static target add target movement and add your 2kms and things gonna get missed.... your drone got aggro they will die will never catch up in time to dock -2 geckos ouch!. I want to like it i really do but what stuff are on it i don't see huge if any benefit over standard mach. wow shocking news that turret ships don't apply 100% damage all the time It's a mach, it has the speed and agility to get into a range where it is doing a large portion of its dps, and it can minimize transversal if it wants to. also since it usually is at a somewhat short range it can recall drones pretty safely. Although not so sure how short range you want to be in a polarized mach. my biggest concern would be glass cannon, and attractive to gankers. @ChainsawPlankto
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 4990	Posted - 2016.02.20 09:49:46 - [15] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: So since I had some polarized gun lying around I fit my ratting mach up with them and ran a couple forsaken hubs. It was a noticeable difference. I'll link the fit when I get home, posting from this tablet sucks lol. Looking forward to it! It looks like what you gain with the Polarized fit is about a half-second (possibly slightly more) ROF over standard autocannons, and the aforementioned 3x increase in ammo capacity. Whether this is enough to offset the loss in falloff is an open question. With a combination of tracking enhancers, tracking computers and rigs it looks like you can boost the falloff to just over 77km, so that certainly helps increase the DPS with a non-Polarized fit. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
MAK4 Non-Sedentary Off The Reservation. 9	Posted - 2016.02.20 10:49:06 - [16] - Quote I have been using this fit for the past year or so to run forsaken hubs - High power 7x Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon 1x Domination Large Proton Smartbomb Medium power 1x Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster 2x Federation Navy Tracking Computer 2x Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Low power 4x Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer 3x Domination Tracking Enhancer Rig Slot 1x Large Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard I 1x Large Projectile Burst Aerator II Charges 15,985x Hail L Drones 5x Warrior II 2x Gecko I Have near perfect skills to run the fit and its pushing just over 2000 DPS. If you are fast enough with your mouse and keyboard you will get 45-50 mill isk ticks as I have done it, more if you get faction spawns. The tank is a bit rough when i first land at the spawn, so what I do is burn towards the centre of spawn while I alpha the cruisers. Then I drop mobile depot and orbit it at 2km. The scram/web frigs are easily dealt with using a faction smartbomb while u concentrate on the battleships. the final wave has frigs that orbit at 12 km so have a faction web in your hold, stop orbiting, web frig and you should be able to pop them with your guns. The tank holds as your at such close range to the ships, its not cap stable but you only need to pulse the booster. This is also good to run in forsaken rally points but don't try to run a haven in it, you will not survive the last spawn in the gated haven trust me =D If you want more DPS , you can replace the faction tracking enhancers with drone damage amps, which should give you around 2200 dps I believe, you will not loose much tracking just lack in range but then the NPC's never get past 10 km. I have also had good use of the polarized guns in the 10/10 Angel DED complex only to solo pop the docked hauler with hail L and I believe you can pop the megathron under frantic repair with the right fit but im still working on that.
Gary Bell Herp Inc.dot Darwinism. 162	Posted - 2016.02.20 14:17:42 - [17] - Quote [Machariel, New Setup 4] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Sentient Drone Damage Amplifier Sentient Drone Damage Amplifier Sentient Drone Damage Amplifier 'Radical' Damage Control I Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800 Pith X-Type Thermal Dissipation Field Pith X-Type EM Ward Field Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster 500MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L True Sansha Heavy Energy Neutralizer Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II Curator II x4 Why not run something like this that wont die in .4 seconds to everything? I get more dps is supposed to mean faster but idk I guess each his own I dont really get the point though.. I have near no tracking issues ever with autos and can lock long before I get webbed by anything..
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 4990	Posted - 2016.02.20 14:52:22 - [18] - Quote Is the above fit for L4s or anomalies? I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 13712	Posted - 2016.02.20 16:06:51 - [19] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: So since I had some polarized gun lying around I fit my ratting mach up with them and ran a couple forsaken hubs. It was a noticeable difference. I'll link the fit when I get home, posting from this tablet sucks lol. Looking forward to it! It looks like what you gain with the Polarized fit is about a half-second (possibly slightly more) ROF over standard autocannons, and the aforementioned 3x increase in ammo capacity. Whether this is enough to offset the loss in falloff is an open question. With a combination of tracking enhancers, tracking computers and rigs it looks like you can boost the falloff to just over 77km, so that certainly helps increase the DPS with a non-Polarized fit. [Machariel, Polarized AB] Capacitor Flux Coil II Mark I Compact Capacitor Flux Coil Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Domination 100MN Afterburner Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Large Micro Jump Drive Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Hail L Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Hail L Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Hail L Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Hail L Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Hail L Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Hail L Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Hail L Heavy Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Core Defense Field Extender I Gecko x2 Hornet EC-300 x5 Hail L x12000 Republic Fleet Fusion L x12000 I use + 3 cap hardwiring to make it cap stable (without the neut and mjd on of course). The ecm drones, neut and mjd are for getting out of sticky situations. I keep at range on my drones 7500 meters, this keeps me moving at the npcs (and also if I have to mjd I'm flying towards my geckos and thus 'barn swallow' them into my drone bay before I' mjd, Geckos are expensive as hell lol) I keep standard blue pill and standard sooth sayer drugs in my ship, I only use the blue pill if I get caught (I haven't yet, it's just a precaution). Mid grade partial crystal set lets me tank 500 ish dps Omni (plus the AB helps with tanking too, and in a pinch I can mjd out, never had to). NPCs in Forsaken hubs and rally points all spawn in one place and this thing eats them. Close to 1800 paper dps with +5% gun hardwiring. I've even tested it side by side with my standard non polarized anom fit and this polarized version beats it on time to complete. One way a standard fit is superior is escalations however. Have to refit for those, I'm not even crazy enough to take this into a DED 10/10 with an overseer shooting citadel missiles lol.
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 4990	Posted - 2016.02.20 16:18:16 - [20] - Quote Have you had any luck with a Polarized Machariel fit for L4 missions? I'm finding it works for some but is seriously under-tanked for others. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Gary Bell Herp Inc.dot Darwinism. 162	Posted - 2016.02.21 12:50:08 - [21] - Quote The fit I linked I run with Crystals.. Have found it works with Mid of Highs and decent skills. But it can do any anom you put in front of it and I have used it all the way up to a 9 of 10 Blood DED. I also Carry a full set of hard and refit to run besieged and drone plexs with ease. It literally is the most versitile ship I think I have ever used. The heavy cap booster and Nuet make it a nasty panda to fight if someone tryed to drop me. I used to run a cap battery sense I live in blood space which actually worked but then I had a scrub blue tackle me and cap me out.. He was in a fleet phoon. When I finally died he was at like 25 percent hull so a cap injector would have killed him.. I was in a Blood 5 of 10 which is a pretty nasty plex so.. You just have to accept you are gonna go threw shartloads of cap injectors. I see the dps advantage of the polarized but aside from overheating non stop and running stupid expensive drones you get like 250ish if that more dps then me.. without the ability to run just about anything with the same fit.. Just my thoughts.. Idk maybe it is personal preference but I dont see the real advantage
The Bigpuns Touring New Eden Haven. 107	Posted - 2016.02.21 14:43:05 - [22] - Quote To my mind, polarised mach is suited for blitzing, where you can quickly get in, wreck what needs to be wrecked and get out before your tank is overwhelmed. Blitzing 3's would be good, but there are not many 4's where it will be ideal. Or, as Jenn said, the occasional combat site where you don't even give them a chance to challenge your tank...
Erin Sluuk The Scope Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2016.03.04 02:30:03 - [23] - Quote [Machariel, Polarized L4 blitzer] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Gist X-Type 500MN Microwarpdrive Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800 Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster Pith B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Pith B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Barrage L Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Barrage L Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Barrage L Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Barrage L Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Barrage L Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Barrage L Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Barrage L Auto Targeting System II Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Warrior II x5 Gecko x2 High-grade Crystal Alpha High-grade Crystal Beta High-grade Crystal Gamma High-grade Crystal Delta High-grade Crystal Epsilon High-grade Crystal Omega Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Large Projectile Turret LP-1006 544 HP/s tank, 1144 unheated autocannon DPS with barrage or 1601 with hail. 5.22 AU/s. You can make it a billion cheaper and only sacrifice about 150 HP/s. People rag on polarized mission fits for being susceptible to tornado ganking, but if you use instas and have the awareness that a non-AFK missioner should have, you'll be safe.
Demerius Xenocratus Rapid Withdrawal 785	Posted - 2016.03.05 06:05:36 - [24] - Quote Machariel with max damage implants and 4 RF gyros does 1350 cold with hail, why go polarized?
Scotsman Howard S0utherN Comfort Circle-Of-Two 56	Posted - 2016.03.09 17:56:39 - [25] - Quote Demerius Xenocratus wrote: Machariel with max damage implants and 4 RF gyros does 1350 cold with hail, why go polarized? When playing the game of min/max, you either go all out and max or you min. Max or max not. There is no other logic. Seriously though: If you can crank out 100-200 more dps in a ship, it can still make a huge difference in site times. 200 more dps can make the difference between 1-2 fewer shots on a bs. Think about it, how many times have you had a bs that had only a sliver of hull left? or had a sliver of armor that prevented the hull from being destroyed with the next shot? I can't remember the cycle time on the guns, so for simplicity, let's assume the cycle time is 5 seconds. If you can kill 3 ships a wave in one less shot, that is 15 seconds right there. Over the course of 4 waves, that is a whole minute. If you can normally complete a site in 6 minutes, it now only takes you 5. Over the course of an hour, that is 2 extra sites you could have ran. Over the course of a week, that time truely does start adding up. It comes down to personal preference whether the extra income is worth the time to make up the cost difference. If you are a space where it is safe to rat/mission then it will eventually make you money.


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