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CCP Paradox
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Posted - 2016.02.19 11:05:45 -
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Hello once again space scientists,
We have brought back Project Discovery on Singularity with some changes.
For a quick reminder of what this is, you can catch up by reading these:
You can find out more about Project Discovery at the website here.
And also from this latest Dev Blog: Project Discovery needs you!
Since the January mass test, we have worked on the most requested change asked by players.
Responsive UI.
You can now resize the Project Discovery window to better view under high resolutions such as on a 4K monitor. For those of you who wanted this, please let us know what you think. There are limits on resizing, so there is a maximum and minimum size.
Faster switching between color channels.
We load all images now at the same time, so you can change color channels quickly without waiting.
New classification categories.
As some of you may have noticed last time, sometimes there just isn't a good enough classification for the image you are looking at. New classifications can be found at anytime, and this has actually happened with Rods and Rings.
- Cytoplasm - Rods and Rings
Rods and rings are, as the name suggests, rod and ring structures found in the cell. They are small but distinct and usually there are only one or a few of them. However, both shapes can occur in the same cell. Their function in the cell is yet unknown.
- Misc - Cell-to-Cell variations
As the cell is growing and dividing it undergoes different life cycles. During those cycles the protein content and distribution can vary. Proteins can move between different locations, or they can be more or less expressed. This can be observed as differences in locations between cells, or in varying intensity of the same location in different cells.
Analysis Kredits.
This new currency will be given to you when your Analysis Rank increases. You will be able to find how many you have right now via a tooltip on the Analysis Rank, and we are currently working on a better UI location to display that.
Soon to come
Multiple example images per classification.
Many asked for this also, as sometimes one example image is sometimes not clear enough. We are working on this now.
Analysis Kredits rewards.
The Analysis Kredits you earn when ranking up, can be spent in the Sisters of EVE loyalty point store. The rewards are coming soon, and we will let you know when they are on Singularity.
Accuracy Rating rewards.
If your Accuracy Rating drops below 40%, you will earn half the ISK and receive no experience points. It's important to keep accurate. Additionally if the Accuracy Rating drops below 30%, you will receive no ISK or experience points.
These values are subject to change, and we will keep an eye on the feedback provided.
Flight Academy video.
To better explain Project Discovery, your role and help aid you through the tutorial we will be creating a Flight Academy video that will be available to watch in client and on YouTube.
Known Issues
- Professor Lundberg's image is missing from the tutorial and will return tomorrow.
Thank you for trying out Project Discovery,
-Team Astro Sparkle
CCP Paradox | EVE QA | Team Astro Sparkle
Always bet on the Drifters.
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CCP Paradox
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Posted - 2016.02.19 11:28:24 -
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Analysis Kredits are for special items only redeemable via that currency, it does not touch the LP items at all. We did this specifically to avoid the LP market for SOE. I will clear the text up in my post to highlight this more.
CCP Paradox | EVE QA | Team Astro Sparkle
Always bet on the Drifters.
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CCP Paradox
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Posted - 2016.02.19 11:50:04 -
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Yadaryon Vondawn wrote:CCP Paradox wrote:Analysis Kredits are for special items only redeemable via that currency, it does not touch the LP items at all. We did this specifically to avoid the LP market for SOE. I will clear the text up in my post to highlight this more. Great! Is there a possiblity that you could list these special items in your OP? Can they currently be obtained on SiSI?
See my post above, it's in the Soon to Come section! I will update when they are available.
CCP Paradox | EVE QA | Team Astro Sparkle
Always bet on the Drifters.
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CCP Wonderboy
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Posted - 2016.02.19 11:50:32 -
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I am aware of the bug with the tutorial, and working on a fix asap.
It broke because it was not prepared for the two new categories. |
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CCP Paradox
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Posted - 2016.02.26 13:19:04 -
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Please submit bug reports in game for issues you have, for example the two stacked screens and also XP bar. We have not seen this and would like an in game report so that logs are also included from your client.
The disappearing options are in the known issues above, they will return we were just switching out JPG for PNG.
CCP Paradox | EVE QA | Team Astro Sparkle
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CCP Paradox
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Posted - 2016.02.26 13:42:45 -
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Fantastic thank you, I'm already on them :)
CCP Paradox | EVE QA | Team Astro Sparkle
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CCP Paradox
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Posted - 2016.02.26 16:29:26 -
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Yadaryon Vondawn wrote:CCP Paradox wrote:Fantastic thank you, I'm already on them :) By the way, are there more items planned which can be acquired solely through Analysis Kredits? In your Drifter Booster post you stated that they can also be acquired through other means. This does mean that effectively only the clothing is unique to Project Discovery. I do not know in which other way the Drifter Boosters can be obtained but if it is to simple I fear it may lower the incentive to actually do it. Are there any thoughts going on about this?
There are more items to come. There is also no maximum rank or cap set in place. We can keep adding new items as demand drives it, and we will be watching this closely after launch. Feedback on rewards is more than welcome here, we want to hear from you! 
CCP Paradox | EVE QA | Team Astro Sparkle
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CCP Paradox
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Posted - 2016.02.26 16:58:31 -
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The ranking is indeed linear for the test server, and will be changed for launch.
CCP Paradox | EVE QA | Team Astro Sparkle
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CCP Wonderboy
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Posted - 2016.03.01 11:57:57 -
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Akkerman Shalyga wrote:Yadaryon Vondawn wrote:Akkerman Shalyga wrote:There are a lot of confusing samples without any hint. For example, here (ex. 160000370): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4262011/wrong.png
I can't see green thin strands. I can't see any yellow point. Maybe we need some more hints about how to detect such features? The sample is not confusing, either the players or the system behind it is giving a false positive. There are a few of these examples where the 'good' option is just plain wrong. Not a few really. Seems like every 5-10 samples I can see a "plain wrong". And it can be easily achieved if system accepts most popular answer as a right answer. Because a lot of people just click like "ok, it seems good, no time to think, I need my money and AK" =(
We are aware of these false positive samples. They are a result of a minor error in the long production line from the scientists microscope to Project Discovery.
Human error is mostly at fault here, we are already working on it and we believe this will be fixed for the TQ release. |
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CCP Wonderboy
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Posted - 2016.03.01 17:46:08 -
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Terrah Chain wrote:CCP Paradox wrote:Known Issues
Soon to come
Multiple example images per classification.
Many asked for this also, as sometimes one example image is sometimes not clear enough. We are working on this now.
Flight Academy video.
To better explain Project Discovery, your role and help aid you through the tutorial we will be creating a Flight Academy video that will be available to watch in client and on YouTube.
Thank you for trying out Project Discovery,
-Team Astro Sparkle One area I think could use some clarification is when to choose more than one classification. I did some analysis yesterday and on one slide is seems the consensus was tied for 2 classifications, nucleus and cytoplasm. But on another similar slide only nucleus was the consensus. When there are two shades of green are we focusing on the bright green only or all green areas? When dealing with classification outside the nucleus, is it possible that there is green below the nulceus? If so how can you let players know when to ignore it? On one slide with the bright dots outside the nucleus the text said the dots would never be in the nucleus, since dots appeared to be in the nucleus also, I chose a different classification but got it wrong. So, my point is that if you want accurate results the training may need to be a little bit better. Otherwise I like it and had fun with it. Not sure the rewards would make it an item of interest for me, but definitely worth doing if I am passing the time waiting for something else.
This is a pretty hard thing to convey in the tutorial, but i'll try my best.
Remember that what you are looking at is actually a 3D structure represented in 2D, the nucleus is the doughey center of the cell, and the cytoplasm surrounds it.
That means that there can be protein in the cytoplasm beneath the nucleus, giving the appearance that it is in the nucleus, when it actually is not.
You can sort of tell when that is happening if there are green spots in the nucleus that are blurry and out of focus, that means they are either beneath or above the nucleus, which mean they are located in the cytoplasm.
Another thing that is good to know is that you are not supposed to classify every little faint smudge of green. If you see green staining that is way weaker in brightness and contrast compared to other green staining in the image, you usually ignore it, but only if it is really weak.
We are interested in the strongest proteins present in the cells, so classify *everything* you see, but leave out the super weak green staining.
I hope that clears things up a little bit, we are of course always aiming to improve Project Discovery and we will try our best in training people to do this accurately. |
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CCP Wonderboy
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Posted - 2016.03.02 10:40:37 -
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Yadaryon Vondawn wrote:I noticed this morning that Project Discovery has a checkable box now that says 'Abnormal Sample'. What does that do? Oh and thanks for the way we can now select colours! It is great.
And at the moment samples do not load :|
You check the 'Abnormal Sample' box when you see something in the image that can not be classified in any of the available categories.
So when you see something strange or out of place, check the box and the scientists at the HPA will review it.
I too like the new color filter ^-^
About the samples not loading, we are updating the MMOS API today and at the latest you should be getting samples tomorrow.
Thank you :) |
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CCP Wonderboy
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Posted - 2016.03.02 11:03:06 -
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Yadaryon Vondawn wrote:CCP Wonderboy wrote:Yadaryon Vondawn wrote:I noticed this morning that Project Discovery has a checkable box now that says 'Abnormal Sample'. What does that do? Oh and thanks for the way we can now select colours! It is great.
And at the moment samples do not load :| You check the 'Abnormal Sample' box when you see something in the image that can not be classified in any of the available categories. So when you see something strange or out of place, check the box and the scientists at the HPA will review it. I too like the new color filter ^-^ About the samples not loading, we are updating the MMOS API today and at the latest you should be getting samples tomorrow. Thank you :) Ah I see, am I correct in guessing that using the Abnormal Sample will eventually lead to additional classification categories? During one of the talks Lundberg I believe said that the HPA has 20 classifications currently, one of the aims of the project is to extend that number right? From a gameplay point of view: Is it going to be part of the tutorial? And looking forward to the renewed Project Discovery tomorrow :)
It could lead to additional categories, yes. And that would mean EVE players had made a real scientific discovery!
However unlikely that is, it could happen :D
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CCP Wonderboy
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Posted - 2016.03.04 10:26:45 -
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Oktura Ostus wrote:CCP Wonderboy wrote:
I too like the new color filter ^-^
Thanks for new filter! It now possible to view "holes" in blue cells. Small feature request to the filter: LMB on red color makes red visible, blue and green hidden. Is it possible that RMB on any color do reverse: hide it, and show all others? I've played a bit and find out this sample: http://i.imgur.com/MTQWznE.png 1600000854 As for me it's clear that there is "cytoskeleton" (marked in red circle), it's exactly the same as in examples, but it's marked as negative result. May be it's calculated from most often results, but such things disappoints a bit. May be it's possible to give ability to ask for recheck wrong results for players with high accuracy? With comment why to recheck.
Thanks, i'll forward this to the HPA to see if they want to change their metadata for this task. |
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CCP Wonderboy
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Posted - 2016.03.09 17:55:40 -
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Rainboq Spencer wrote:It'd be nice to have a way to mark a sample as being out of focus, I've had a few there were impossible to decipher because the sample was completely out of focus it all became a giant haze.
Use the "Abnormal Sample" checkbox :) |
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HPA Illuminator
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Posted - 2016.03.11 13:07:56 -
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Nucleoplasm is correct. For some cell types, for some reason, the nucleoli holes won't show in blue. But when you have these obvious cases you should absolutely go for nucleoplasm anyway.
EDIT: Sorry for not noticing HPA_Dichroic had already answered ^^. Also, there's a thread for challenging ex: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=472862&find=unread |
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