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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.04 07:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kharakan OP Summary:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a301/nooeyb/fix_is_coming.gif
QFT.. Really until CCP impliments more advanced and tactical combat the blobs will continue to rule the battlefield..
/me hangs hopes on Rev 2.. 
KALI:Revelations.. The ****znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p ) |

Dreez
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.04 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
40 men ask for gang, you're going to refuse 10 an invite ?
I¦ve seen it happen lots of times. A roaming squad is being formed up and more ppl wanna join, but the current FC declines because "we wont get a fight with too many ppl in gang".
If you take a squad with about 20 or so ships, and they you run into enemies who will not engage unless atleast 2-1 odds, that is quiet pathetic imo.
The point with this topic, was not to claim "im uber" "were elite". It was to tell all those hypocrits on the forums who whines about "blobbing" so either stop blobbing themselves or be quiet.
Just look at the facts we have atm. The servers and clients cannot handle huge fleetbattles, yet we have corporations and alliances that wont fight unless they have atleast 150 pilots when facing 80. What will that do, besides screw up the gamingexperience for everyone.
You cant learn anything in a huge fight where lagg & luck determines the outcome. You learn from small, balanced engagements where both sides fields 20-30 ships and you can actually read the battle and what needs to be done at the moment.
But when you got corp B, bringing 80-100 ships to kill 50-60 enemies, you are pushing the limit for a good, laggfree fight.
Specialized for blastercombat, 30 milion skillpoints useless in fleetcombat. Thankyou CCP.
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SSgt Sniper
Gallente Zekarus Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.02.04 08:34:00 -
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Edited by: SSgt Sniper on 04/02/2007 08:31:21
Originally by: Dreez
Originally by: Rod Blaine
40 men ask for gang, you're going to refuse 10 an invite ?
I¦ve seen it happen lots of times. A roaming squad is being formed up and more ppl wanna join, but the current FC declines because "we wont get a fight with too many ppl in gang".
If you take a squad with about 20 or so ships, and they you run into enemies who will not engage unless atleast 2-1 odds, that is quiet pathetic imo.
The point with this topic, was not to claim "im uber" "were elite". It was to tell all those hypocrits on the forums who whines about "blobbing" so either stop blobbing themselves or be quiet.
Just look at the facts we have atm. The servers and clients cannot handle huge fleetbattles, yet we have corporations and alliances that wont fight unless they have atleast 150 pilots when facing 80. What will that do, besides screw up the gamingexperience for everyone.
You cant learn anything in a huge fight where lagg & luck determines the outcome. You learn from small, balanced engagements where both sides fields 20-30 ships and you can actually read the battle and what needs to be done at the moment.
But when you got corp B, bringing 80-100 ships to kill 50-60 enemies, you are pushing the limit for a good, laggfree fight.
Being a member of BlOB(tm) pretty much negates your entire post. That said, stay out of people's backyards and they won't bring the whole family down on you packing AK's. Simple, and logical:
Day to day operations of an alliance are distrupted by raiders. Making a big showing of having a massive fleet tends to make raiders go away. Then day to day operations can resume. A lot of the people trying to make a little isk get annoyed when raiders keep on showing up all day long. So when they finally decide to do something about it, the whole lot of them decides 'let's take care of this problem once and for all so we can actually get something done today.' I'm talking about the mindset here, they could give a crap about a fair fight they just want you to get the point GO AWAY.
Stay out of my yard, don't get a visit from the business end of my .45. Really bleeding simple to understand really. Could I use a 9mm? Yeah, but it doesn't have that gratifying guaranteed stopping power or the sheer '**** and run' fear factor of the hand cannon. Call me crazy. ---------
Representing all the casual gamers happily living in Empire, that want NO PART of your 0.0 annoyances.
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.02.04 09:55:00 -
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Defending ones home is more important than having a 'fair fight'. No one wants to see a hostile fleet screwing around thier region. They aint going to limit thier nubmers to satisfy you sense of fairness. They want you OUT, and OUT NOW. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
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Xendie
Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.04 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Dreez waah-waah
i read past 3 lines of waah-waah and came to the conclusion that you got ganked and is crying because you decided to fly around without the rest of your 80-100 bob gang that usually is the only way bob flies around.
have a tissue.
Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
Quote: jake sisko > its f-e's bob dev alt making lag
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.04 10:04:00 -
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It's ok Dreez.
People know what you mean, but the BoB ticker under your name means you won't get any agreement on this from most of them.
What it comes down to now is that blobbing is a given. People in Eve aren't all as given to putting the fight above the loss as we are. In time, that's what will cost them their space anyway, so don't worry too much. There'll be plenty of good fights along the way.
Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
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Moghydin
Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.04 10:20:00 -
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Once upon a time we had a hostile gang doing all the way from Stain towards our home system. We arranged defensive gang and waited. The hostiles stopped 1 jump before our home, sent in the scout, and.... turned back. The numbers were pretty even, although we had a positional advantage. We were disappointed that there was no fight and decided to pay them a visit. We reached their home system in Stain and were flying around there with no one engaging us. They eventually engaged when they had an overwhelming advantage in firepower (more bs's) and in numbers. For me it was natural. We came to their home and I expected them to outnumber us, personally , I was looking for a fight and not just to win. My respect towards them was not lowered because they blobbed us in their home system, but because they didn't have courage to jump into our home system. So in certain situation I think you can expect getting blobbed. The locals will try to defend their home with the odds that leave little room for a possibility of defeat, after all, being whipped in your home by a random roaming gang s the most embarrassing thing that can happen to any serious entity.
But numbers alone don't make for a fair fight. Many ppl have mentioned it, that when you roam in a gang full of T2 with high-sp pilots and skilled leaders, you can be pretty sure, that enemy will bring enough that even the remote possibility of defeat is eliminated. And if there's still such a possibility, most enemies will prefer to dock or run, than to risk being defeated, yes, that is pitiful, but it's how the things are.
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Faaip De Oiad
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Posted - 2007.02.04 10:34:00 -
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Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 04/02/2007 10:30:57
Originally by: Dreez
Originally by: Rod Blaine
40 men ask for gang, you're going to refuse 10 an invite ?
I¦ve seen it happen lots of times. A roaming squad is being formed up and more ppl wanna join, but the current FC declines because "we wont get a fight with too many ppl in gang".
If you take a squad with about 20 or so ships, and they you run into enemies who will not engage unless atleast 2-1 odds, that is quiet pathetic imo.
ahem ... the little difference is - the defenders aren't necessarily looking for a fight (unlike a roaming gang might) - they are looking to get the job done in the most efficient way (in other words: with as few losses as possible) ... take a look at posts from last april - there should be the "we aren't here for a fight, we're here to get the job done" quite common ... and it's not up to you when your opponent decides that he want's to follow this scheme 
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You cant learn anything in a huge fight where lagg & luck determines the outcome. You learn from small, balanced engagements where both sides fields 20-30 ships and you can actually read the battle and what needs to be done at the moment.
But when you got corp B, bringing 80-100 ships to kill 50-60 enemies, you are pushing the limit for a good, laggfree fight.
ahem - if people would follow your suggestion to bring only 20-30 ships (like you did in the first of those two paragraphs) - they will be "blobbed" 2:1 by your fleet in the second one. ... the firs paragraph is imho correct - but irrelevant to the described situation as you were obviously talking about gangs double the size. ___________________
-Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
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Posted - 2007.02.04 10:34:00 -
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Different styles of fighting.
If you come raiding my home in 0.0, you'd better believe my aim is to kick you in the face so you never come back. If that means having a 50:1 numerical advantage, with carriers too, so much the better. TBH a 'fair fight' does not serve my interest. That only encourages, rather than discourages raids.
If it's empire wars, especially when I'm looking for a entertainment, then yes, I'm looking for a 'fair' fight. Although that might still mean numerical superiority, I'll be engaging with much closer odds. I don't always get it, there's quite a few in empire wars who are looking for haulers or a turkey shoot, but ... well actually that's one of the reasons I like Privateers. They've always been good to run into for a 'good fight'.
I don't like the almighty blob either. The reason it's used, is because it _is_ effective. Bring 200 ships, and if they can even see you through the lag, you'll probably win.
I think CCP know this too. Personally, I reckon stealth bombers need warp capable AOE weapons. So you can just 'bomb' a station or gate camp. That'd be pretty cool IMO.
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Ask Unbeatable
Gallente HighTech Marines Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.02.04 10:40:00 -
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Edited by: Ask Unbeatable on 04/02/2007 10:37:14 Psychological warfare, eh? ...
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Syril Mert
Serenity Technology
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Posted - 2007.02.04 10:44:00 -
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You expect me to bring my hard earned ships in a "fair" 1vs1 (or 20vs20) against your "free" T2 ships? Get real.
I do agree however that blobs are bad for gameplay. Maybe bob would encounter fewer blobs if you came prepared for fair fights yourself?
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fire 59
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.04 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus I frankly stopped reading when I saw it was a BoB pilot whining about blobs, get over yourself you're in one!
And here we have the typical, ignorant post because of someone's tag. Considering we are outnumbered by most alliances and coalition's out there, your bitter tear's hold absolutely zero weight.
Read a book, save a school. 
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fire 59
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.04 10:48:00 -
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Edited by: fire 59 on 04/02/2007 10:47:22
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Dreez waah-waah
i read past 3 lines of waah-waah and came to the conclusion that you got ganked and is crying because you decided to fly around without the rest of your 80-100 bob gang that usually is the only way bob flies around.
have a tissue.
Actually, i think he's referring to the iron and fla gang's of 40 each ( roughly ) that avoided us, blobbed, and then joined with another blob to try and get a fight out of us 40, and then proceeded to smack in local asking why we wouldnt fight and we were chicken etc .
Funny thing was, even outnumbered, we killed like 20 bs and numerous support and had a carrier in very deep hull
Look past your bitter hatred and engage your brain yeah
Edit - Just re-read your post again and it look's even dumber than before tbh. Saying we only fly in blob's is the most retarded thing i have heard, and on this forum, i have heard alot. Most of the time we are buzzing around in small gang's and fleet up when we want a big fight, common sense no? The bitterness in you is strong
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Topaz Skydiver
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Posted - 2007.02.04 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Defending ones home is more important than having a 'fair fight'. No one wants to see a hostile fleet screwing around thier region. They aint going to limit thier nubmers to satisfy you sense of fairness. They want you OUT, and OUT NOW.
Usually it looks like they don't want someone out now, but in maybe an hour, after they have gathered a rediculous number of people. 
But, if you are clever then that's the moment, when you leave. Then their true pvp'ers get annoyed, because it all took too long and the target is gone and again no fleet fight and their pvp nubsies get annoyed, because they have stopped carebearing for nothing and couldn't pwn anything with the blob. 
Ok, they'll smack you, but who cares. You only wanted a nice fight. If they don't bring it with less than twice your numbers and their response times are bad, they should look in the mirror.
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Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2007.02.04 11:34:00 -
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Off topic, but I feel your pain (w.r.t your sig). Only hope CCP looks into rectifying the situation some day...  ----------
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Dreez
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.04 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: Dreez on 04/02/2007 11:56:23
First If people reading these forums cant look beyond my corpname & and alliance-ticker. But judge me by them, i pitty you.
Second Its not just about to blob or not to blob. Its about all the whiners on these forums. People who whines about "blob", but never fight without it themselves. The hypocrits who say "dont" but does it themselves when it fits them.
Thirdly What will you do when this invading force brings equall numbers of ships to that which you can mount, to your homesystem. Will you sit in stations like chickens, blaming your cowardnes on missing skillpoints in gunnery ?. Im sorry but that dog just dont hunt.
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Just look at the really old SA/CA wars where most people had just about the same amount of skillpoints, yet most of the times, CA always had to make the jumpin to a numerical superior fleet, while SA never did that jump.
Its not just about skillpoints, its about something that most players these days lack. A balls to the wall attitude.
I recall a few weeks ago when my FC gave me the order to warp my factionfitted BT close to 40+ ships. I died before i could even get a damn lock, yet i¦d do it again if asked to.
Specialized for blastercombat, 30 milion skillpoints useless in fleetcombat. Thankyou CCP.
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Sadao
Minmatar Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.02.04 12:07:00 -
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Why anyone would want to engage the BoD (Band of Devs) is beyond me anyway no matter how many are in the gang.
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welsh wizard
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.04 13:15:00 -
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Edited by: welsh wizard on 04/02/2007 13:11:33 You've said what everyone thinks Dreez.
But,
I can count on one hand the number of times I've fought BoB with even or greater numbers.
It isn't to say you don't fight outnumbered but if theres a chance you might lose...
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thirdeye47
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Posted - 2007.02.04 13:28:00 -
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Edited by: thirdeye47 on 04/02/2007 13:28:57 Edited by: thirdeye47 on 04/02/2007 13:27:35 Edited by: thirdeye47 on 04/02/2007 13:26:36 Edited by: thirdeye47 on 04/02/2007 13:25:51 maybe if a corp came against the blob empire that outnumbered them 4 to 1 with pvpers they would whinge lol Then again bob might get them node info and use the pos exploit bug that has been here for along time and ccp has done nothing about, strange that really makes me wonder
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Rasta Rocketman
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2007.02.04 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Dreez
Who brings the Blob, my own view of the situation.
Lately i have seen alot of threads with people whining about blob-wars, which i am against myself since the servers cant handle them anyway. So i¦ve been thinking, what is it that makes people bring the blob, why does players always insist on bringing more & more people when the enemie has less ships to begin with ?
During my entire career in EVE, i have always been on the "outnumbered" side where i have always been fighting fighting against greater odds and quiet francly, im left with no respect for any enemies. All this "gf" bullcrap in local makes me sick. People who go on the forums demanding respect because they fight, when they still only fight if they got like 2-1 odds.
Lets talk about a hypothetical fight that probably occurs 2-3 times a day in EVE.
Corp A decides to "have some fun", brings a gang of 20 mixed ships with 10 BS and the rest is mixed support. They move into a region where corp B usually are around, looking for a fun fight.
After a while, corp A is scouted by corp B, and corp B decides to make a camp at a gate in their path. Corp B ends up with a 30+ man strong Camp and puts a large bubble on the gate and prepares for corp A to jump in.
Corp A jumps in, loses a few ships but kills the majority of Corp B, scoops the loot and moves on... with a few "gf" in local.
Corp A¦s success is heard of and a few more friends joins up with the roaming fleet, increasing it to 35 ships. 17 BS and rest support, a farely balanced fleet imo. They continue to roam and suddenly corp A scout yet another camp made by Corp B, this time camping with close to 60 ships, bubble and sitting at long range from gate.
This is where i start to get abit.... "upset". How can corp B expect respect when they dont even have the balls to fight on even numbers
So lets say that corp A decides to take another route and avoid the 60man camp, roam somewhere else and kill other targets.
In corp B¦s chatt, they are probably talking about corp A being chicken****s for not having the balls to come. But who is the chicken**** really ?. The ones that need more ppl, or the ones jumping into greater numbers
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Now... lets say that after a few days, corp B forms a fleet and decides for some payback from the visit that corp A did. They gather a fleet of about 40 ships and start heading towards the region of corp A. Corp A scouts them, forms a gatecamp with 30 ships, bubble on the gate. And by the time corp A is done setting up on the gate with less numbers, corp B decides not to jump in.
So corp A will jump into a larger camp with bubbles, but corp B will not. yet, corp B accuses corp A of beeing blobbers.
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Imo there are way to many chicken****s in this game which wont engage unless they are superior in numbers by alot. They they whine when their enemies brings the blob. But really, just who started the blob in the first case.
I meen.. how much of a hypocrit can you be really, before you start fading when looking into the mirror ?.
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Im just so tired of all chicken****s, hypocrits and ppl who "gf" in local when all they really deserve is a spit in the face. Learn to PvP or move back to empire untill you can handle even numbers in a fight.
Im probably not alone in my thoughts, and im probably gonna get flamed to hell for saying this, but you all know its the truth.
L2P
As a guy that fights 90% outnumbered, I can relate to your post and it stinks. However it is laughable for a Bob guy to complain about blobbing, even if you happen to be a guy in Bob that chooses to fight in small numbers. You guys are the epitome of blobbing and almost represent the sport of blobbing. I also wouldn't hide behind the 'everyone is jealous of us' stuff, just look at the facts before you try that one. _______________________________________________
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Malcanis
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Posted - 2007.02.04 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 03/02/2007 21:38:56
Originally by: Malcanis BTW wrt your sig: just 5M SP is more than enough to make you useful to a fleet, never mind 30M. In fact I find it hard to believe that you can have 30M SP in what are presumably mostly combat skills and you're not at least "useful" in fleet.
He means he has 30m sp trained specifically to excell in blaster combat (Gallente, short range, high damage, high risk), and feels that that role should be more usefull in fights counting more then ten participants (which I can sympathise with).
Ah, thx for clarification. From my lowly 5M SP persepective, I have perhaps a different definition of "useful"...
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Felysta Sandorn
Caldari Murder of Crows E N I G M A
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Posted - 2007.02.04 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus I frankly stopped reading when I saw it was a BoB pilot whining about blobs, get over yourself you're in one!
Here here!
I belong to a very small PvP alliance with a tiny active player base... Nearly every fight we enter in to, we are outnumbered, but good leadership and complementary ship types can lead to victory over tremendous odds!
Not too long ago three of us took on a camp of seven and won without a ship loss... All it took was tracking disruption on the tempest, the huginn webbing their mega, and good drone control against their frig support. Four kills, no losses...
I'm completely against massive blob warfare, there's no point in it! Even when you say a 30-man fleet is a fair size, the most I've seen in my alliance is a 12-man fleet! We got all confused the other day because we had to make a second squad in the wing...
Funnily enough, I have a lot of chat logs from members of IAC and SOD in particular saying how we only ever dock or blob... It's strange that when SOD enter system with a Vindicator and a Vagabond with two Megathrons in the neighbouring system and another three BS two systems over... It's strange that our fleet of a Drake, Megathron, and Eagle doesn't want to fight them!
In all honesty, everyone needs to stop whining because they don't get kills! If you outnumber and outgun someone, they're not going to want to fight, so can the smack and go wage war on someone that can actually afford faction ships!
Now I wait for the SOD flames :) _________________________________________________________
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Audri Fisher
Caldari The Keep THE R0CK
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Posted - 2007.02.04 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: fire 59
Originally by: Danton Marcellus I frankly stopped reading when I saw it was a BoB pilot whining about blobs, get over yourself you're in one!
And here we have the typical, ignorant post because of someone's tag. Considering we are outnumbered by most alliances and coalition's out there, your bitter tear's hold absolutely zero weight.
Read a book, save a school. 
Let us not forget that BoB is the victim here. Just like some A-hole that decides to rob my house in the middle of the night. You go into somebody elses house, you forfeight all rights.
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TempaT
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Posted - 2007.02.04 22:35:00 -
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Edited by: TempaT on 04/02/2007 22:32:43
Originally by: hotgirl933 this is a CCP problem really
Really last i heard CCP allegedly was helping BOB!
Which is yet to be resolved. Anyone got a link to an update on this witch hunt?
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Neon Genesis
Gallente Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.02.04 22:40:00 -
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Edited by: Neon Genesis on 04/02/2007 22:38:40
Originally by: Dreez During my entire career in EVE, i have always been on the "outnumbered" side
So has every pvp'er to ever grace these particular boards good sir.
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ElweSingollo
The Vanyar Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.02.04 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Audri Fisher I must have been podded one to many times, because I swear the most famous Blob in eve's history was a BoB show?
Technically most of the Blob was provided by ASCN the Heavy Rollers were mostly BoB and LV
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Imperil
Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.04 23:21:00 -
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Usually our corporation blobs when facing a pure EW or NANO gang, just because its so ******* annoying! If none of those gangs are around, we fight, even outnumbered, and stay to die. Just because we can. :)
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Fat Willy
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Posted - 2007.02.04 23:32:00 -
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Stupid post, imho.
This game is as much about strategy as it is about the fight itself. All big battles don't just happen between equally sized forces. There's a lot of cat-and-mouse stuff goes on beforehand, to lure your opponent into a position where you have numerical and positional advantage.
If you just want a good scrap, there are plenty of other games around to get that. Or arrange a tourney or something. Otherwise, you'll just have to get used to the fore-play 
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Lone Bear
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.04 23:33:00 -
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Edited by: Lone Bear on 04/02/2007 23:33:32
Originally by: Ishmael Hansen You in a alliance that by itself has 15m sp's as prerequisite for joinning, you have all the tech 2 bpo's in game, you fly "free" tech 2 ships with tech 2 fittings, and you don't want to be blobed? That got me a chuckle. Do you actually know ho wlong I have to work to buy a hac + fittings? I get 2 launchers for the price you get an hac.
If you want tender sheep to kill go fight npc's
(also raiding an alliance that has a couple dreads with a fleet of 20 dreads + 70bs support for some weekend fun, or sieging a system with 40 + capital ships isn't called blobing)
Quoting you, but could have quoted a lot of mindless pilots posting here too: so much people talking about us, so few knowing what's really going on. Get your facts straight.
BTW, to the one who said "OP you could have posted with an alt": we dont need alts, we write what we think, we do not need a cover to escape from: 1) "crowd" judgement 2)our words "impact". If your need to post with an alt in order to not disturb your ceo, alliance leader, logging off minmatar grand mother, well, I feel pitty for you.
edit: typos
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Sprzedawczyk
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Posted - 2007.02.04 23:51:00 -
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My take on making perfect PvP combat:
1) Add stacking penalty to combat. One hundred battleships firing at one should have effective damage of 4, 5 tops. Appropriate armor nerfs follow. 2) Give us skill, or maybe even hi-slot module to pursue people who warped (make scrambs chance-bassed as counterbalance).
Thoe two changes would totally turn the pvping around, kill the blob and make the whole thing a lot more enjoyable, skill based and brutal.
It forces squad-based command structure. Liquidates nuber advandate. Leverages tactics advantage. Nerfs safes big way. Moves combat from stargates to entire system. Allievates lag. Makes battles last longer. Makes battles more bloody. Lets smarter tactican win over t2 equipped idiot.
Why it kills the blob: -"weaker" side can be pursued. -after initial engagement, battle spreads over entire system.
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