You want 50b to start producing an extra 1.2b of ships?

Would like pledge 20bn

0.83% monthly interest

No, I want 50B to Inject Skills so that I can produce a target of 75B of ships. The first few months will always be a little slow, but afterwards it will grow steadily.

You probably should put that under the purpose or business plan section, and perhaps you could expand on how exactly you'll be allocating the ISK because dumping 50b into industry skills isn't going to help a whole lot unless you can utilise those new skills/slots.

A production target of 75b of ships is a fair amount, depending on the time-scale, are you sure you'll be able manage to keep on top of that, and how long do you think it'll take to get there? Have you looked into it enough to determine whether it'd even be worth doing?

I don't think people investing in others so they buy SP will be something that is very popular in MD due to the diminishing returns and high cost of extraction making any sort of liquidation, in the event a venture doesn't work out, minimal at best. With investments where the ISK is put into stock for production or station trading liquidations are fairly painless and, barring massive mistakes on, may be liquidated for maybe 10-20% losses, whereas with liquidating SP you're looking something like a 50% minimum loss.

Any sort of numbers on your current operation, and research into further operations, would definitely not hurt you right about now. As others have said you might also want to do some research on MD.

Are you willing to provide a full API? If so, I'd like to request one for your characters involved in this endavour

Ok this a kind of Dragons Den thing

We have somebody with a NAV of 18b wants to sell 20% of his operation for 50b

What do you think the Dragons Den regulars response to this would be?

Ok this a kind of Dragons Den thing

We have somebody with a NAV of 18b wants to sell 20% of his operation for 50b

What do you think the Dragons Den regulars response to this would be?

Hello,

As someone who does manufacturing for a career in EVE and being very familiar with the markets you are wanting to expand in I have some questions. Some of them might be repetitive from above but I felt like there was more information to be gained by rewording it.

1) How much of the 50b will be used for asset (materials, production items, etc) and how much will be used for training (buying SP and skill books, etc)? A decent breakdown of each would be great.

2) How many characters will you be using to build with?

3) Do you do your own hauling or do you pay people and do you have to pay your alliance/corp any fees for the potential protection?

4) Do you have any spare capacity when you are building 40 T3 destroyers and 20 AF? you mention looking at building t2 ships so do you mean if they are more profitable you will build them and drop some t3 or AF production or do you have extra slots available.

5) Why should we trust you with 50b? This is a large sum of isk to give to a first time request.

6) How much do you expect to make per month on the manufacturing? Do you plan to include the buying of LP products in this as profits for investors or is that separate? How much do you make on avg from your LP buying and selling?

6) If my math is correct (made a few assumptions with profit margins and costs based on my experience and spreadsheets) I get a pitiful interest per month based on 20% of profits for an unknown IPO/Bond/Loan. I get an interest rate of about 6%/month, that is just with manufacturing though.

I am not asking for names of characters, more just wanting to know who you plan/do operate so we can see how much profit you have left to pay out and how much you have to keep.

Note: I am not asking this so I can figure out how to make my products cheaper. I already have that optimized. If you do not believe me that is your choice.

Thanks and good luck.

Some advice from a fellow scammer - don't go for fifty billion until you have serious credibility built up.

I think you might have got there with five or eight with this setup.

Would like pledge 20b

That is a good point too, I forgot about that in my previous post. It really is not a good idea to ask to barrow more than you have in assets, I do not include SP and toons assets myself. It does leave the issue open of if you lose all the invested isk what happens. It is not like you have enough assets to even say "I will liquidate everything to pay you back".

Also 50b is a large influx if isk - from 18b, I know at one time when I got an influx of a few billion I didn't know what to do with it all. It was a little overwhelming at the time. So yeah, another concern is: Can you handle such a large increase of capital and remain efficient? Seeing how you have never dealt with this much isk before it is kind of a shot in the dark of whether or not you will be successful or not.

My thoughts are there are too many risks for any sane investor with too low of an interest payment, that is not even guaranteed as it is a share of profits not a percent of investment. I would suggest scrapping the 50b and going for 5b or less ideally as 5b is pushing it for an unknown. The interest needs to be at or above 10% if you go for 5b or less. If you are determined to go for 50b, which is not a good idea in your case, the interest would need to be 15%+/ month, in my opinion, to reflect the risks for the investor. Or at the very least there needs to be a guaranteed payment amount and if thing go well you give them more, if profits are high enough.

Chapter 4: Statement of Assets

As of this posting AEGIS Logistics is sitting on a little over 12.7 billion in assets (which includes 1 active production tower and associated arrays, over 270 fully researched BPOs and accompanying BPCs, fuel, materials and ships), 2.9 billion in liquid cash, 1.4 billion currently in production and 1 billion in Sell Orders for a total of just over 18 billion.

So let me get this right. You value the 50B you are asking for as being worth 20% when the existing assets total 18B ?

Lets be generous and say you have 20B in assets.
The total assets after the offering would be 50+20 = 70B
The 50B offering would account for 71%
But you value it as 20% ?


If you want to be taken seriously you have to behave competently.
When you behave incompetently all you are doing is proving comedy content.


Fun fact - By valuing 50B at 20% you are valuing your existing assets at 200B over ten times what you state they are.

Why would someone invest 50 billion just so they can receive 20% of the profit that the 50 billion makes whilst you take 80% of that profit?

You scheme makes no sense to a potential investor.
They take on all the risk. You take 80% of the profit.
It's clear you get a lot out of it, but there's sod all in it for the investor.