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Katerena
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Posted - 2007.02.04 01:53:00 -
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Edited by: Katerena on 04/02/2007 01:52:20
well i was wondring if joining another corperstion and then lootign thre corp hangar is a lame way to make money/get revenge because its game mechanics right?
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Nekuva
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.02.04 02:00:00 -
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go for it. just know that you will be branded a traitor and scum by the entire eve universe from that moment on. it's perfectly legal though
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Politocratis
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Posted - 2007.02.04 02:01:00 -
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As long as you dont violate EULA or eploit any bug while doing it..
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.02.04 02:06:00 -
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Espionnage and corp theft are different things altogether, really. Both are perfectly fine and within game mechanics, though. Now, the question you have to ask yourself is: is it worth it? Many say yes; I've always said no, despite having had the opportunity to rob silly every corp that I've ever been a part of. Guess that's why I never had a problem finding a corp.
 Originally by: Glenntwo
You should be an anti pirate because you enjoy giving a player who is looking for an unfair fight an extremely unfair fight
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Herritar
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Posted - 2007.02.04 02:08:00 -
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It is lame, greedy and very low. If you want revenge, beat him in game destroying his corp or his ship or whatever.
Also using spies in other alliances to get intel is the most lamest thing one can do in a game. It is like watching the cards of the other in a card game. I have no respect for any alliance or corporation using those tactics.
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Trem Sinval
Sinval Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.02.04 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: Katerena
well i was wondring if joining another corperstion and then lootign thre corp hangar is a lame way to make money/get revenge because its game mechanics right?
Do I sense a case of dyslexia?
You murder the English LanguageÖ. Also, stealing things isn't really "espionage", more like "stealing". However, it's perfectly acceptable, if unethical. At least leave them a note detailing who took it.
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Politocratis
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Posted - 2007.02.04 03:16:00 -
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Edited by: Politocratis on 04/02/2007 03:16:52
Originally by: Herritar
It is lame, greedy and very low. If you want revenge, beat him in game destroying his corp or his ship or whatever.
Also using spies in other alliances to get intel is the most lamest thing one can do in a game. It is like watching the cards of the other in a card game. I have no respect for any alliance or corporation using those tactics.
Could not disagree with you more.
Stealing, while not a great profession, IS phenominal in REALY gettig back at some low life bastards... just make sure it is realy worth what they did to you or you will find your self solo at one point.
As far as espionage, I think it is an INTEGRAL part of this game and is by NO MEANS lame. I mean.. who likes a corp mate spying for the other team, but it is fair game and part of what this game is about... rising and falling empires.. as well as watching out for your own back.
So even if you dont spy to destroy another player or corp, at least spy to know when others are plotting against you.. because they will (especially if you are going to steal from them LOL).
From simple force recon to outright lying at the highest of levels.. its all fair and quite fun.
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pauleuler
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Posted - 2007.02.04 03:33:00 -
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Originally by: Herritar
Also using spies in other alliances to get intel is the most lamest thing one can do in a game. It is like watching the cards of the other in a card game. I have no respect for any alliance or corporation using those tactics.
Laughable. Where the KGB, CIA, MI6 etc lame? Dude this is about warfare, not aristos in pretty clothes on white horses playing at chivalry. You'll be wanting fair fights and consensuall PvP next.
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
The Keep
THE R0CK
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Posted - 2007.02.04 04:15:00 -
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Originally by: pauleuler
Originally by: Herritar
Also using spies in other alliances to get intel is the most lamest thing one can do in a game. It is like watching the cards of the other in a card game. I have no respect for any alliance or corporation using those tactics.
Laughable. Where the KGB, CIA, MI6 etc lame? Dude this is about warfare, not aristos in pretty clothes on white horses playing at chivalry. You'll be wanting fair fights and consensuall PvP next.
Yes. Fight like a man with an assault rifle. 
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2007.02.04 04:29:00 -
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Yeah, its lame. But honor has apparently left the building.
When in doubt, log it out. 
Shamis
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Altemi Calabre
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Posted - 2007.02.04 07:13:00 -
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Let's make this nice and simple.
Is thievery within the game mechanics? Absolutely it is.
Is espionage within the game mechanics? Absolutely it is.
Is using an alt to circumvent any consequences or trackable behaviour to espionage or theft a game play damaging, destructive and utterly asisine, base and low thing to do? You're damn right it is.
Any argument about alts being a viable means to do this is utter poppycock. There are a number of built in means to police and control such nefarious acts so that yes, they can be profitable but with risks. Alts utterly circumvent these risks and impacts to the thief/spy.
Why such things are not deemed exploits is a mystery as there is no doubt that Eve operates in a structure that was intended as a one account, one avatar model. You want to be able to spy with impunity? Fine, then pay another 20 bucks a month. And realize that avatar/character is marked for death for their actions after doing so and cannot just wink out of existence to dodge any and all repurcussions to acting like an utter menace to people who probably didn't deserve such treatment.
I have yet to see a single argument that remotely addresses the sheer amount of countermeasures necessary to curb destructive alt abuse (and this even includes using alts to recon... Pirates, you have a legitimate beef here, as I should have to actually risk something to travel without just tossing a disposable in a Velator as a lightning rod.)
So is it lame? Not if you are willing to do it as your main, no, it's nasty and dishonest and you are probably lying to real people who trust you as a friend... but that kind of espionage style play is actually answerable in game.
Doing it as an alt you are going to abandon?
Sorry, but that is scummy on an order of magnitude that makes con artists, traitors and people who talk at the theater look like model citizens.
Just because one can do a thing doesn't make it good or right.
~ Why is it those with the greatest responsibility to make good decisions so often seem the least capable or inclined?
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BluOrange
Gallente
New Fnord Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.04 07:21:00 -
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I've been given the impression that using alts to avoid consequences is considered an exploit. (I heard it from a guy who said the GMs had reimbursed his losses to a scam because a disposable had been used to avoid consequences.)
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.04 07:27:00 -
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Its only an exploit if you recycle neg sec status alts to get positive status ones.. Otherwise alls fair..
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2007.02.04 08:07:00 -
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everyone's free to do what he likes in eve. if that includes foul play and suffering the consequences, so be it.
as long as everbody is par on the same mechanics: using inside knowledge/tools (e.g. IP addresses from forums) only a fraction of players have access to strikes me as an eula violation though.
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Devil Hanzo
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.02.04 09:36:00 -
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There are no game rules against it and its considered part of the game itself. If its good or bad depends on the eye of the beholder.
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Moghydin
Confederation of Red Moon
Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.04 10:40:00 -
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It is not against any rules to do it, but I consider it extremely lame. There's no defenses in Eve that can stop a dedicated spy. Ppl that claim that sabotage and espionage are integral part of RL warfare should buy a clue. When the spy is caught or exposed, he's finished. In Eve this is done with untraceable chars bought specifically for this purpose and those chars are dropped after use. Alts, combined with the reality of stupidly implemented corp hangar rights and POS rights cause the situation that any kiddo with enough spare time and malice in his head can do this. Stretching spying to the out game areas that are only associated with Eve is another step in the wrong direction. It is only a matter of time until someone will stretch the boundaries enough to start outright hacking and portray that as another form of spying. Wait, it already happened!
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ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
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Posted - 2007.02.04 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Katerena
Edited by: Katerena on 04/02/2007 01:52:20
well i was wondring if joining another corperstion and then lootign thre corp hangar is a lame way to make money/get revenge because its game mechanics right?
You seem to be confusing espionage with theft.
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Politocratis
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Posted - 2007.02.04 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Audri Fisher
Originally by: pauleuler
Originally by: Herritar
Also using spies in other alliances to get intel is the most lamest thing one can do in a game. It is like watching the cards of the other in a card game. I have no respect for any alliance or corporation using those tactics.
Laughable. Where the KGB, CIA, MI6 etc lame? Dude this is about warfare, not aristos in pretty clothes on white horses playing at chivalry. You'll be wanting fair fights and consensuall PvP next.
Yes. Fight like a man with an assault rifle.
Apparently you've never held an assault rile in combat or you would know that you were fighting based on the latest intel gathered from SPIES and a little profession called espoinage.
Besides, not knocking any grunts, but they get to go in with the entire army behind them when spys have to go it all alone.
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Moghydin
Confederation of Red Moon
Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.04 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: pauleuler
Laughable. Where the KGB, CIA, MI6 etc lame? Dude this is about warfare, not aristos in pretty clothes on white horses playing at chivalry. You'll be wanting fair fights and consensuall PvP next.
Please keep that RL thing out of this. How can you compare real world espionage with those half-assed efforts it takes in Eve to totally ruin someone's corp or turn a tide in a fleet battles. Lets just say that in real world there are huge consequences for failed spying. What are the consequences in Eve? Reselling the now useless alt?
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Araxmas
Black Lance
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.04 18:06:00 -
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It's pretty low but if your gonna do it I would reccomend to use your main and to make sure they deserve it. I mean creating some alt to rob people is just the lowest there is.
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Lunas Feelgood
Maza Nostra
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Posted - 2007.02.04 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Yeah, its lame. But honor has apparently left the building.
When in doubt, log it out.
Shamis
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