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Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.06 00:13:00 - [61] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 06/02/2007 00:11:21 Originally by: Slave 775 Edited by: Slave 775 on 04/02/2007 10:30:19 Hi Yzuki Since you cross posted this in every Privateer thread and made one yourself i recommend changing: Privateers, the minor irritation. to Privateers, my major irritation. Nope, I think we should stick with the OP's stance. MC wardec..oh my..yes those guys are good...but Privateers.. lol..carry on ganking frigs in high sec You are like gnats on an elephants back Edit: crazy forum script!!!...omg, what did you do? Tears will stream down your face, when you lose something you can not replace
Judge Ment Battlestars Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.06 02:00:00 - [62] Oh my we moved up in the world? 0.0 Omg stop the PRESS/ Whats next?
Ga'len Amarr Wandering Druid	Posted - 2007.02.06 02:33:00 - [63] Edited by: Ga''len on 06/02/2007 02:30:20 Yes, I am the exception that defines the rules.
Cosmo Raata Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.02.06 03:05:00 - [64] All I can say on the matter is : Damn, why didn't I think of it first? Awesome idea of what you guys have done, great work.
Sionide	Posted - 2007.02.06 05:53:00 - [65] Originally by: Le Skunk The only facts are Panzershrek need assistance, are to tight to pay for mercs like everyone else, came up with some 'helpme' channel masquerading as a "intel pool channel" where people come and help them for free. It would be genius.... ....Except its riddled with priv alts. SKUNK Honestly, I liked it better when you just said that panzershrek was a good corp and look forward to fighting against you guys, rather than continue it with trash talk. Hmm...let's see Panzershrek about 4-8 active players at a given time...Privateers...oh a lot more. Needless to say, do we ever back down? When we are hopelessly outnumbered and outgunned it is WE that hunt you guys...privateers will have a very hard time making a similar claim. The only time I see them making a stand to us is when they have a deciding advantage in number and/or firepower. I am not discrediting your alliance or you Le Skunk, but really cut the bull. And whatever the channel may be, it's at least free intel to people on the movement of gate camps. If you feel somehow that you are an amazing recon specialist since you penetrated this fortress of defense and are spying in our channel...is it even worth gloating about? The channel is doing what it was made to do, it's a public channel to share info and perhaps give a bigger united front. If you spread lies in it, it will soon be apparent and your words will be discredited in the channel. It's like other people gloating that they have alts in privateers and have penetrated your alliance and spread lies and rumors about WT movements...same value, which is quite minimal.
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.06 08:52:00 - [66] Whew, when I saw the title of this thread, I can tell you I was a bit worried. But it turns out that its just about some lamer trying to get us more PvP and not about the dose of crabs that I picked up when I visited the local pleasure hub. In case it hasn't dawned on anyone yet, you join the Privateer Alliance to get PvP. We don't hide from it and anything that you guys do to give us more is fine by us. And if you want intel on where I'll most likely be camping you can have it for free, Ours III or one of the gates nearby.
Yzuki Panzershrek	Posted - 2007.02.06 14:47:00 - [67] When I made this thread/channel it was not to be anti-Privateer or anti-PvP or anything of the sort. Was simply to try and gain some sort of tactical advantage. I simply thought that if you are in a system with a Privateer blob and I had 10 fellow WT's in that system we could more easily combine forces. warning childish smack alert I figured since you guys dock up when 5 of you see 3 of us in Jita until you can get another 5 in system, we could try and make a fair fight of it. But seriously, I enjoy what the Privateers have done in this game and think it's very novel. But, with the amount of smack you guys have tossed my way both on this thread and in the game you'd have thought that I posted your home addresses or something. But not to worry, I sort of figured that since Privateer wardeccing is now sort of an institution, that I could just open this channel and leave it to be sort of the same. "Hey look we were decced by the Privateers, let's open channel Privdeath". Sort of like the recruitment channel or something. But even with 6-10k war targets the channel is really only mustering at most 20 people with an alltime high of 38 the first day. I would hardly call it worth the number of tears you guys have shed :P Helping the EVE economy flourish since 2005 [url="http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=455
Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.06 15:02:00 - [68] Its not that channel I personally mind, Its the cross posting and necroing of old Privs thread and spamming this channel into evey privs post you can find including our recruitment posts. Besides you're Ex Privs - you should be used to smack - and its been kinda T1 smack vs you atm compared to what we usualy get anyways lol. Like I said, I dont mind the channel, in essense its a good idea. I did mind members of your channel opening discussing posting fake KM onto our boards last night though. We have had problems with this already and its just not cricket chaps (not saying it was you - but I am saying it was in your channel) I dont post my kills/deaths anyways - but some put some stock in killboards and posting fake KM doesnt serve any tactical ingame purpose that I can see.
Internet Knight Caldari The Knighthawks Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.06 17:56:00 - [69] Privateers Alliance is a pretty nifty idea. People not wanting to pvp at all hurts 0.0. People learning how to pvp through the hard way is better than not learning how to pvp at all. Personally, I hope Privateers Alliance never dies. There's a lot of potential there. :)
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.06 18:13:00 - [70] Originally by: Sionide Originally by: Le Skunk The only facts are Panzershrek need assistance, are to tight to pay for mercs like everyone else, came up with some 'helpme' channel masquerading as a "intel pool channel" where people come and help them for free. It would be genius.... ....Except its riddled with priv alts. SKUNK Honestly, I liked it better when you just said that panzershrek was a good corp and look forward to fighting against you guys, rather than continue it with trash talk. Hmm...let's see Panzershrek about 4-8 active players at a given time...Privateers...oh a lot more. Needless to say, do we ever back down? When we are hopelessly outnumbered and outgunned it is WE that hunt you guys...privateers will have a very hard time making a similar claim. The only time I see them making a stand to us is when they have a deciding advantage in number and/or firepower. I am not discrediting your alliance or you Le Skunk, but really cut the bull. And whatever the channel may be, it's at least free intel to people on the movement of gate camps. If you feel somehow that you are an amazing recon specialist since you penetrated this fortress of defense and are spying in our channel...is it even worth gloating about? The channel is doing what it was made to do, it's a public channel to share info and perhaps give a bigger united front. If you spread lies in it, it will soon be apparent and your words will be discredited in the channel. It's like other people gloating that they have alts in privateers and have penetrated your alliance and spread lies and rumors about WT movements...same value, which is quite minimal. I didnt intend to gloat. In fact my alt hasnt really said anything much yet, just starting to become know as a regular face and get the trust of the others. I dont understand why you open an intel channel specificaly designed with an anti privateer aim, then are amazed when people use it for counter-intellignece purposes. However you are correct when you say it is nicer just to see you on the field of battle so thats the way ill leave it. good luck SKUNK My speeeling is my own and dos not represant the Privateer Corporation or Privateer alliance who incidentally are recruting pilots and corporations - Evemail me for details
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.02.06 18:28:00 - [71] Originally by: Sionide Originally by: Le Skunk The only facts are Panzershrek need assistance, are to tight to pay for mercs like everyone else, came up with some 'helpme' channel masquerading as a "intel pool channel" where people come and help them for free. It would be genius.... ....Except its riddled with priv alts. SKUNK Honestly, I liked it better when you just said that panzershrek was a good corp and look forward to fighting against you guys, rather than continue it with trash talk. Hmm...let's see Panzershrek about 4-8 active players at a given time...Privateers...oh a lot more. Needless to say, do we ever back down? When we are hopelessly outnumbered and outgunned it is WE that hunt you guys...privateers will have a very hard time making a similar claim. The only time I see them making a stand to us is when they have a deciding advantage in number and/or firepower. I am not discrediting your alliance or you Le Skunk, but really cut the bull. And whatever the channel may be, it's at least free intel to people on the movement of gate camps. If you feel somehow that you are an amazing recon specialist since you penetrated this fortress of defense and are spying in our channel...is it even worth gloating about? The channel is doing what it was made to do, it's a public channel to share info and perhaps give a bigger united front. If you spread lies in it, it will soon be apparent and your words will be discredited in the channel. It's like other people gloating that they have alts in privateers and have penetrated your alliance and spread lies and rumors about WT movements...same value, which is quite minimal. So wait a sec. . .when Panzerschrek are gatecamping in empire and ganking carebears it's cool. . .but when YOU get gatecamped by Privateers it's all of a sudden not fair? I think Privateers is giving ya a taste of your own medicine and you can't stomach it! Thanks for finally giving me my damn picture!
Yzuki Panzershrek	Posted - 2007.02.06 18:45:00 - [72] hehe Liquid, you are still so upset at us killing you all those times. Now that puts a smile on my face. But still a little creeped out by the stalker aspect of it. Let me reclarify, we are simply trying to coordinate our unintentional allies for an advantage, I am not complaining about anything Privateer or about anything PvP. In fact Panzer has been actively hunting Privateers since our war started a few weeks ago for the sheer fun of it. We've killed a few of them and they've killed a few of us, but I think we have all had fun. Helping the EVE economy flourish since 2005 [url="http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=455
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.02.06 21:40:00 - [73] Originally by: Yzuki hehe Liquid, you are still so upset at us killing you all those times. Now that puts a smile on my face. But still a little creeped out by the stalker aspect of it. Let me reclarify, we are simply trying to coordinate our unintentional allies for an advantage, I am not complaining about anything Privateer or about anything PvP. In fact Panzer has been actively hunting Privateers since our war started a few weeks ago for the sheer fun of it. We've killed a few of them and they've killed a few of us, but I think we have all had fun. All those times? Try once. Nice of you to try and make everyone think you're more than what you really are. . .a 2-bit pirate who's afraid of a real challenge. Thanks for finally giving me my damn picture!
HouseofPain CEO House of Pain	Posted - 2007.02.06 22:41:00 - [74] So Liquid Vision claims Yzuki only killed him once, but I say it was 3 times. Cause for Liquid to post in this forum thrice complaining about him then obviously the first kill was Liquid's ship, the second kill was his dignity and the third was his self-respect. If you decide to stalk everyone who's killed you, then you may need to stay out of low sec :P Oh yeah and to stay on topic the channel seems like a good idea as long as it gets support from the masses. So I guess if you like it, support it.
Sionide	Posted - 2007.02.06 23:20:00 - [75] From some of the replies on this thread, I guess some Privateers have the impression that the channel was created because we are fustrated that we are war decced by privateers. However, that is not the case. Panzer's sole purpose as a corp is to pvp (read the corp desc, check our killboards, etc), so it actually helps us since we don't have to war dec other corps and pay for it, plus now we have lots of WTs and don't have to do like 29 jumps to camp a WT that we located for hours (not fun!). pvping is pvping, be it fighting with privateers as was the case, or against as it is now...it's all the same. We don't lose sec status and we have fun, which is what the reason we play the game (as does people in the privateer alliance). So I hope that clears things up. I guess (this is me personally speaking of my understanding) that kind of bothered me about the whole thing is that panzer had a fun time in privateers and we left for a week for inner corp reasons to return; however got war decced by privateers (by a contract from someone I am guessing?). As I understood it, it was only a week long contract and after it was over it was agreed upon by both parties that we would rejoin privateers. So after the war dec was over, we tried to join again, but then got re-war decced. I don't know the politics behind this, or how much of an agreement there was between panzer and privateers to rejoin (I know most of panzer believed this), so it kind of was wierd. But c'est la vie. And as for Liquid Vision, sorry about the Raven loss. Don't take it personal, we were camping and you happen to be there...just wrong place at the wrong time.
Evenfall Phoenix Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.07 00:13:00 - [76] Why is there this falling out between Panzershrek and Privateers? When Panzer was with us I loved to fly with you guys. You did a great job FCing, loot was split very well, and you had lots of experience which in turn helped me get better. I personally have alot of respect for you panzer guys, especially Montaron he alone taught me so much. I'm slightly disappointed to see this rivalry, but it is beyond me to do anything about it. BoB, stop with your high and mighty talk, either that or curtail what you let your underlings say. You claim there is a negative image towards your alliance yet you don't address the issue that stems from that image, it's the people in BoB (like the one that posted here) that cause such a negative issue. I love Privateers. The loot is good, I have managed to maintain a healthy wallet and I get al lthe fighting that I want. Does it work for me? Absolutly. Will it work for everyone? Nope. If it doesn't work for you don't do it (duh!).
Yzuki Panzershrek	Posted - 2007.02.07 00:21:00 - [77] Not sure, we quit alliance (as the Privateer mantra is that you can come and go as you please) for a few days to help in a friend's alliance war. I talked to Surreptitious frequently, up to the day before we were slated to rejoin Privateers. Then log in to a wardec, which I was told was contracted (not sure how profitable it is to lose a member corp paying 50 mil a week unless the contract was f***ing awesome). First week we figured, eh good fun we'll shoot at you, you shoot at us. By second week we figured we may as well go full bore into this war then. So as I've stated in a few posts the channel was simply created to provide a tactical advantage, had nothing to do with any dislikes or the such. Helping the EVE economy flourish since 2005 [url="http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=455
Surreptitious Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.07 01:08:00 - [78] Originally by: Yzuki Not sure, we quit alliance (as the Privateer mantra is that you can come and go as you please) for a few days to help in a friend's alliance war. I talked to Surreptitious frequently, up to the day before we were slated to rejoin Privateers. Then log in to a wardec, which I was told was contracted (not sure how profitable it is to lose a member corp paying 50 mil a week unless the contract was f***ing awesome). First week we figured, eh good fun we'll shoot at you, you shoot at us. By second week we figured we may as well go full bore into this war then. So as I've stated in a few posts the channel was simply created to provide a tactical advantage, had nothing to do with any dislikes or the such. Yzuki you know it wasnt that simple. You make it out as if we betrayed you or something when that couldnt be further from the truth. The day we dec'd you we talked about the war and you rejoining the alliance. I told u to stay in your current alliance for 5 days then leave. on day 6 you could apply and on day 7 when the war ended I would accept you. I asked many times to keep in touch. Day 5 came and I hadnt heard from you, day 6, day 7, on day 8 the contractor came back asking to re-up the war. I hadnt heard from you and thus accepted another week. Now, even after this nice little thread and your cute little channel, in private I told you it would still be nice to have you back but considering all this I wasn't sre it would ever happen. Its left off there but painting us the bad guys is not right or fair. You know we accept any corp that applies regardless. Please appreciate how I went out of my way to make special arrangements to get u back in. Syrup
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.02.07 02:10:00 - [79] Originally by: HouseofPain CEO So Liquid Vision claims Yzuki only killed him once, but I say it was 3 times. Cause for Liquid to post in this forum thrice complaining about him then obviously the first kill was Liquid's ship, the second kill was his dignity and the third was his self-respect. If you decide to stalk everyone who's killed you, then you may need to stay out of low sec :P Oh yeah and to stay on topic the channel seems like a good idea as long as it gets support from the masses. So I guess if you like it, support it. I was gonna get all ****ed off and respond to your nonsense about self-respect and whatnot. . .but then I looked at your name and your corp.... Chump! Thanks for finally giving me my damn picture!
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.02.07 02:16:00 - [80] Originally by: Sionide From some of the replies on this thread, I guess some Privateers have the impression that the channel was created because we are fustrated that we are war decced by privateers. However, that is not the case. Panzer's sole purpose as a corp is to pvp (read the corp desc, check our killboards, etc), so it actually helps us since we don't have to war dec other corps and pay for it, plus now we have lots of WTs and don't have to do like 29 jumps to camp a WT that we located for hours (not fun!). pvping is pvping, be it fighting with privateers as was the case, or against as it is now...it's all the same. We don't lose sec status and we have fun, which is what the reason we play the game (as does people in the privateer alliance). So I hope that clears things up. I guess (this is me personally speaking of my understanding) that kind of bothered me about the whole thing is that panzer had a fun time in privateers and we left for a week for inner corp reasons to return; however got war decced by privateers (by a contract from someone I am guessing?). As I understood it, it was only a week long contract and after it was over it was agreed upon by both parties that we would rejoin privateers. So after the war dec was over, we tried to join again, but then got re-war decced. I don't know the politics behind this, or how much of an agreement there was between panzer and privateers to rejoin (I know most of panzer believed this), so it kind of was wierd. But c'est la vie. And as for Liquid Vision, sorry about the Raven loss. Don't take it personal, we were camping and you happen to be there...just wrong place at the wrong time. Don't flatter yourself. I could care less about the Raven. I have around 3 bills in my wallet right now and I've been ****in' around trying to set up a POS and thus haven't had the time to really get down to makin' ISK. It got personal when Broggo and Yzuki used your corp's alt or whatever to send nasty application messages to my corp and when Yzuki started trading me cans inside a station which said that if I had the gonads to come out and fight. So, obviously your corp has a bunch of masculine deficient children in it who also happen to be hypocrites. Besides, I've known Yzuki for awhile and he was always running and crying when he couldn't have easy war targets in empire. Just fair warning. . .your boss does well with alliances until he doesn't get exactly what he wants and then everything goes down the toilet. Kinda like what's happening to you guys right now.... Thanks for finally giving me my damn picture!
Sionide	Posted - 2007.02.07 02:34:00 - [81] Edited by: Sionide on 07/02/2007 02:31:11 Originally by: Surreptitious Originally by: Yzuki Not sure, we quit alliance (as the Privateer mantra is that you can come and go as you please) for a few days to help in a friend's alliance war. I talked to Surreptitious frequently, up to the day before we were slated to rejoin Privateers. Then log in to a wardec, which I was told was contracted (not sure how profitable it is to lose a member corp paying 50 mil a week unless the contract was f***ing awesome). First week we figured, eh good fun we'll shoot at you, you shoot at us. By second week we figured we may as well go full bore into this war then. So as I've stated in a few posts the channel was simply created to provide a tactical advantage, had nothing to do with any dislikes or the such. Yzuki you know it wasnt that simple. You make it out as if we betrayed you or something when that couldnt be further from the truth. The day we dec'd you we talked about the war and you rejoining the alliance. I told u to stay in your current alliance for 5 days then leave. on day 6 you could apply and on day 7 when the war ended I would accept you. I asked many times to keep in touch. Day 5 came and I hadnt heard from you, day 6, day 7, on day 8 the contractor came back asking to re-up the war. I hadnt heard from you and thus accepted another week. Now, even after this nice little thread and your cute little channel, in private I told you it would still be nice to have you back but considering all this I wasn't sre it would ever happen. Its left off there but painting us the bad guys is not right or fair. You know we accept any corp that applies regardless. Please appreciate how I went out of my way to make special arrangements to get u back in. Syrup Interesting turn of events. I guess I will post before Yzuki has a chance to, but he was away that week and was due to come back on Wednesday (I think our first war with you ended on Sunday). I think Bunny tried to contact you to rejoin...not sure if he had corp power to do so. After the second dec, yes it did (and does) feel like you betrayed us, but not so much now since you explained that you did try to wait for us to come back. It's interesting to see how a little break down of communication changes so much...it would be intersting to know how many wars and bad blood between parties could be corrected with a bit of communication.
Bunnyslayer Minmatar Panzershrek	Posted - 2007.02.07 03:30:00 - [82] Back on topic... It's still working out well. We will keep it up and running for as long as people wish to use it. Thanks to those helping out. __________________________________ I am The Bane of All Things Fuzzy!
Brem Watson Caldari Panzershrek	Posted - 2007.02.07 03:51:00 - [83] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Bunnyslayer The only facts are Panzershrek need assistance SKUNK Bwahahaha!!!!
Jade Noelle	Posted - 2007.02.07 04:00:00 - [84] Originally by: Evenfall Phoenix Why is there this falling out between Panzershrek and Privateers? When Panzer was with us I loved to fly with you guys. You did a great job FCing, loot was split very well, and you had lots of experience which in turn helped me get better. I personally have alot of respect for you panzer guys, especially Montaron he alone taught me so much. I'm slightly disappointed to see this rivalry, but it is beyond me to do anything about it. BoB, stop with your high and mighty talk, either that or curtail what you let your underlings say. You claim there is a negative image towards your alliance yet you don't address the issue that stems from that image, it's the people in BoB (like the one that posted here) that cause such a negative issue. I love Privateers. The loot is good, I have managed to maintain a healthy wallet and I get al lthe fighting that I want. Does it work for me? Absolutly. Will it work for everyone? Nope. If it doesn't work for you don't do it (duh!). Don't take this to heart. We dont' hate Privateers. Just having some fun. Some poeple take things too seriously in this little part of Eve we call home.
Robert Dobbs Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.07 04:21:00 - [85] Privateers are good at what they do, and I don't envy them.. spending most of my in-game time camping lagged out core empire systems does not attract my interest. Bitterness is reserved for sore losers, and that trait continues throughout the history of EVE. One by one the alliance minions will learn to heed travel warnings in alliance chat, whether they learn the hard way or not :) - --------- DukeHeart > We dont like those terms, Phoenix does not agree.
Tonkin Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.07 04:57:00 - [86] to be honest ive never had a problem, with them, i go up to jita get what i want and go bck to 0.0. only seen a few, there mainly in bc or cruisers nothing that can really lock ya down. but fair play let them have there fun in empire. i think i will go running around jita tommorow and try and get the odd kill
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.07 08:52:00 - [87] Privateers may not be the best in the game or even good at what they do at times... but they have fun and their existance is a positive one for the EVE gaming experience. One of your Sigs contained inappropriate material for the eve-o forums, please email [email protected] for a explination. - hutch Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Hellaciouss Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.07 13:47:00 - [88] Privateers is a joke. Three of us put a few of the systems they love to fly in on lock down. A nighthawk, drake, and an apoc. We were severly outnumbered and they hide in their stations and safespots? We managed to scram one that jumped through and he logs? Pathetic really. Only time Privateers shows skill is when it's a blob vs a lone mission runner, if you call that skill. But whatever you guys have fun doing I guess.
Zeenix x13 Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.07 13:54:00 - [89] Originally by: Hellaciouss Privateers is a joke. Three of us put a few of the systems they love to fly in on lock down. A nighthawk, drake, and an apoc. We were severly outnumbered and they hide in their stations and safespots? We managed to scram one that jumped through and he logs? Pathetic really. Only time Privateers shows skill is when it's a blob vs a lone mission runner, if you call that skill. But whatever you guys have fun doing I guess. YOU ARE KOS /Zeenix X13
Kennyer Caldari Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.07 14:50:00 - [90] why dont Privateer Alliance try get some 0.0space instead of just flyng around empire? arent good enough? :o

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