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DeadProphet Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.04 13:28:00 - [31] Edited by: DeadProphet on 04/02/2007 13:25:02 Originally by: Sadao Originally by: ZelRox Originally by: Ather Ialeas How to completely beat BoB? Well I'd ban all of them who have been violating EULA in any form or shape and then just shoot the rest. But that's just me. Its just a game, get over it... a game that you have an advantage over everyone else in. i sense you need some tinfoil ASAP edit your idea is quite the worst one ever btw Listen to me on BoB Radio Wednesdays 16:00-17:00 & Sunday 18:00-19:00. Rock & Metal
Ponderous Thunderstroke Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.02.04 13:31:00 - [32] Originally by: Sadao Don't fight them Ok, it may sound a dumb idea at first but bear with me The thing B\|oB rabbit on about is that they are only interested in pvp. Well I have found since early childhood the best way to defeat some one is to 1. Run away and 2. Ignore them completely. No other action ***es someone off more than this. You get all the usual "chicken" "Loser" stuff but TBH that's a clear indication your winning So when B\|oB come a calling my idea is: Offline all your POS and store them away. Dock or leave the area completely NEVER talk to them (in local or on the forums) Never engage them (even if its a lone pilot) NEVER talk to them (added for extra emphasis) So what would happen? Several things could happen. One thing would be B\|oB would end up eventually owning all of 0.0, and do what exactly? They would get very very bored. (yes i know they would get richer but with all the DEV help they get it will make no difference) I just thought of a name for this radical solution "enjoyment denial" or what about "grief tactics" So would it work or is it just a dumb idea? Well, it worked for Ghandi. BoB can't have it their way forever, eventually Der Tag* is coming, and they'll either win it all/stagnate/disintegrate, or get beat. Empires crumble, there are no exceptions. Goodluck getting the EVE universe behind it though, half don't know or care about BoB, the other half can't all agree that BoB is the great satan or not. That's the blessing of being united and driven, the opposition quite often is not. For my money, the answer to the question "Are you afraid of BoB winning EVE?" will continue to be "Who?". There's benefits to being Empire-oriented.
K1K1R1K1 Team Machine Incorporated North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.02.04 13:55:00 - [33] Originally by: Sadao Don't fight them Ok, it may sound a dumb idea at first but bear with me The thing B\|oB rabbit on about is that they are only interested in pvp. Well I have found since early childhood the best way to defeat some one is to 1. Run away and 2. Ignore them completely. No other action ****es someone off more than this. You get all the usual "chicken" "Loser" stuff but TBH that's a clear indication your winning So when B\|oB come a calling my idea is: Offline all your POS and store them away. Dock or leave the area completely NEVER talk to them (in local or on the forums) Never engage them (even if its a lone pilot) NEVER talk to them (added for extra emphasis) So what would happen? Several things could happen. One thing would be B\|oB would end up eventually owning all of 0.0, and do what exactly? They would get very very bored. (yes i know they would get richer but with all the DEV help they get it will make no difference) I just thought of a name for this radical solution "enjoyment denial" or what about "grief tactics" So would it work or is it just a dumb idea? BRILLIANT!! _______________________________________ Don't worry aboutit.
My Pants	Posted - 2007.02.04 13:59:00 - [34] Scorched earth is a great idea but it'll never work in eve. Unless you send in magic gnomes to apply a lighter to selected nodes. DISCLAIMER: I do not in any way advocate the use of magic gnomes
Dra0cht	Posted - 2007.02.04 14:03:00 - [35] BoB is not the problem in EVE. BoD IS the problem. Back in the early days (yes I was there just after the servers went live with another account) there was m0o, now its BoB (or is it BoD?) and these groups are essential in making EVE the unique game that most of us agree it is. The 'win by any means' ethos will create the current situation every single time. It is now CCPs decision to either show who runs the servers (by banning 100s if not 1000s of accounts by ruthlessly enforcing the EULA, making public any GM/DEV mis-conduct and what processes exactly have been put in place to ensure we the game playing public are guarnteed a level playing field) or allow in-game alliances to dictate policy. 'Win bt any means' is now on the verge of destroying EVE. Its a magnificent game, and hopefully BoB will still be here till the servers go dead, I just hope that the leaders and membership of EVERY alliance has the guts and foresight to assist CCP fully in making sure we actually have a game to play for much longer.
Malcanis	Posted - 2007.02.04 14:05:00 - [36] Originally by: Sadao Don't fight them Ok, it may sound a dumb idea at first but bear with me The thing B\|oB rabbit on about is that they are only interested in pvp. Well I have found since early childhood the best way to defeat some one is to 1. Run away and 2. Ignore them completely. No other action ****es someone off more than this. You get all the usual "chicken" "Loser" stuff but TBH that's a clear indication your winning So when B\|oB come a calling my idea is: Offline all your POS and store them away. Dock or leave the area completely NEVER talk to them (in local or on the forums) Never engage them (even if its a lone pilot) NEVER talk to them (added for extra emphasis) So what would happen? Several things could happen. One thing would be B\|oB would end up eventually owning all of 0.0, and do what exactly? They would get very very bored. (yes i know they would get richer but with all the DEV help they get it will make no difference) I just thought of a name for this radical solution "enjoyment denial" or what about "grief tactics" So would it work or is it just a dumb idea? Better yet, let's all cancel our subscriptions!
Ather Ialeas Amarr Karjala Inc. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.04 14:10:00 - [37] Edited by: Ather Ialeas on 04/02/2007 14:07:21 Dra0cht, lots of pathos in there...nice post. To be honest, I very seriously doubt that BoB == devs. That's just because of the numbers, there's like what, 1900 members in BoB and even if every player in BoB had two alts it would mean that there's still over 600 real persons in BoB and as we know, CCP only employs about 120 men and women. What may be true though is that their leadership is filled with devs thus being the actual BoD people like to refer BoB as now but really if that was the situation, what about all the players in BoB? As far as I know, BoB is mostly a group of veterans and I can imagine it would make one feel kinda empty to hear that you're a puppet of a dev. Or on the other side it could make one feel something like "Oh yeah I'm a vet so I deserve this! Everyone else dies yay awesome pew-pew blarbll!" --- Mandatory disclaimer: These are my thoughts, not my corps/alliances. ---
Fi T'Zeh Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.04 14:14:00 - [38] This thread needs more owls... Linkage Perfik .... Playing EVE on easy mode since May 2003.
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.02.04 14:19:00 - [39] Currently the foaming at the mouth BoB accusers are doing more damage to the game than what they are alledging has been done. I wish you guys could just shut up until all the dirty laundry gets sorted. I really don't enjoy your thinly veiled bait threads or your not so subtle, "oops, guess the thread's derailed now" crap. Give it a rest or go drop your bombs in CAOD. Thanks in advance. ------------------- Ignorance
AlleyKat Gallente The Avalon Foundation	Posted - 2007.02.04 14:26:00 - [40] You cannot beat BoB. They are the elite. They have now come to a point where they cannot be forgotten, they have changed the game, they have the respect of all players; they have done it, over and over again, against all odds. Even if they fall, their reputation will last, just as Mo0 does, just like GHSC's heist nearly two years ago. That cannot be beaten. Recruiting!

Dra0cht	Posted - 2007.02.04 14:27:00 - [41] Originally by: Ather Ialeas Stuff Ok Ather, I'l say it again in a less abstract way, although I'd prefer if this whole discussion were kept at a high enough level of abstraction to prevent the finger pointing blamer stuff kicking off. BoB is not the problem. EVE needs 0.0 alliances who compete and wage war. Fine so far? What we do NOT need is competition taken to the extent where the entire game is now being undermined. EVE was, and I'd hope will continue to be, the state of the art in MMOs. My point is that CCP needs to run EVE, not any single or group of in-game entities. If there are GMs/DEVs who have behaved unprofessionally then its CCPs job to address these problems. If they don't/can't then there will be a portion of the EVE population that will quit. 'Win by any means' will have worked then of course, as I'd guess a high proportion of the quitters will come from BoBs adversaries, many of them very high SP and experienced players. The solution is for CCP to run EVE, and I'd suggest that EVERY alliance co-operate with CCP in ruthlessly enforceing the EULA. If this means 100s or 1000s of account perma-bans, then do it. The number of enforced quitters will be less than voluntary quitters this way, and EVE will be healthier for it. EVERY alliance needs to co-operate with CCP in this activity, not just BoB. Otherwise the BoD tag will stick, and rightly so.
Deva Blackfire Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.04 14:34:00 - [42] Originally by: AlleyKat You cannot beat BoB. They are the elite. They have now come to a point where they cannot be forgotten, they have changed the game, they have the respect of all players; they have done it, over and over again, against all odds. That cannot be beaten. Uh? Who was feeding you this BS? Also they dont have respect of ALL players - i can assure you of this... (that post just seems like another cheap propaganda BoB always feeds to ppl on local)
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.04 14:37:00 - [43] I played Neocron in a clan that some part of the community hated with a passion and excused of all kind of things and I have a deja-vu. That plan was also on the list. ______________ Originally by: Patch86 Combat in EVE is non-consensual. Unlike most games, EVE, by design, forces you to be ready for violence everywhere-even hi-sec space.
Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.04 14:42:00 - [44] Originally by: Sadao Don't fight them Ok, it may sound a dumb idea at first but bear with me The thing B\|oB rabbit on about is that they are only interested in pvp. Well I have found since early childhood the best way to defeat some one is to 1. Run away and 2. Ignore them completely. No other action ****es someone off more than this. You get all the usual "chicken" "Loser" stuff but TBH that's a clear indication your winning So when B\|oB come a calling my idea is: Offline all your POS and store them away. Dock or leave the area completely NEVER talk to them (in local or on the forums) Never engage them (even if its a lone pilot) NEVER talk to them (added for extra emphasis) So what would happen? Several things could happen. One thing would be B\|oB would end up eventually owning all of 0.0, and do what exactly? They would get very very bored. (yes i know they would get richer but with all the DEV help they get it will make no difference) I just thought of a name for this radical solution "enjoyment denial" or what about "grief tactics" So would it work or is it just a dumb idea? Not just dumb, moronic, idiotic, you get the drift
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2007.02.04 15:02:00 - [45] this wouldnt work for one simple reason. there are pilots who arn't in BoB who enoy pvp. And if i found out that all bob's pilots were pvp deprived i'd fly over there to get some decent fights. this game isn't about winning its about justifying $15 a month by having FUN
Aphotic Raven Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.04 15:04:00 - [46] Originally by: Gibmundur You cant beat bob, they got a complex system of isk farmers, supposed dev help etc. Not surprising that kugutsumen got banned for revealing this **, he broke no law that bob hasnt done before, example when blacklight was reading from our forums on bob radio, why wasnt he banned for that? Because hes in BoB.. duh.. Tis not like any of this ** is new anyway, NPC dreadnauts assisting in pos destruction.. thats a nice trick. Goes back a while too. Just wait 2 weeks so till the gms realise that the whinging wont stop, then they either A) say they've investigated but that all devs are innocent or B) pick someones alt account and ban it! ban it hard! to appease the public... which will change nothing but perhaps cool down the forums so the devs can go back to not fixing drone a.i. and keep helping bob
Sadao Minmatar Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.02.04 15:35:00 - [47] Originally by: Dra0cht Ok Ather, I'l say it again in a less abstract way, although I'd prefer if this whole discussion were kept at a high enough level of abstraction to prevent the finger pointing blamer stuff kicking off. BoB is not the problem. EVE needs 0.0 alliances who compete and wage war. Fine so far? What we do NOT need is competition taken to the extent where the entire game is now being undermined. EVE was, and I'd hope will continue to be, the state of the art in MMOs. My point is that CCP needs to run EVE, not any single or group of in-game entities. If there are GMs/DEVs who have behaved unprofessionally then its CCPs job to address these problems. If they don't/can't then there will be a portion of the EVE population that will quit. 'Win by any means' will have worked then of course, as I'd guess a high proportion of the quitters will come from BoBs adversaries, many of them very high SP and experienced players. The solution is for CCP to run EVE, and I'd suggest that EVERY alliance co-operate with CCP in ruthlessly enforceing the EULA. If this means 100s or 1000s of account perma-bans, then do it. The number of enforced quitters will be less than voluntary quitters this way, and EVE will be healthier for it. EVERY alliance needs to co-operate with CCP in this activity, not just BoB. Otherwise the BoD tag will stick, and rightly so. Great post. This is a great sum up of it all and I hope CCP Devs see it. I used to respect BoB to a degree. I fought them (with another char) in Imperium a couple of years ago. Apart from the smack talk, I had some good fights, a bit blobby but had some fun. They are good at fighting and tactical stuff and all of that. But if these allegations are true, and I tend to think they are, BoB's achievements are stained beyond repair. EvE is doomed unless the Devs come down hard and and do something radical. My OP was done part in jest, Some have taken me at my word and didn't read between the lines but, that's just my odd sense of humour, maybe I should be less obtuse. I know for one person here (me) I would think twice about my two accounts being re subbed if this turns out that BoD are basically cheating thier way to victory. The whole thing makes me very sad that such an awesome game has been stained in such a vile way. (oh my I am being melodramatic) To BoB leaders that are not implicated in all this. Get your house in order and be public about it as much as you can be and you will regain some of the respect you have sadly lost. Oh I can almost see the responses already "We don't want your respect" type of stuff. My answer to that is simple. You should.
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.02.04 15:51:00 - [48] Originally by: Sadao I used to respect BoB to a degree. I fought them (with another char) in Imperium a couple of years ago. Apart from the smack talk, I had some good fights, a bit blobby but had some fun. They are good at fighting and tactical stuff and all of that. But if these allegations are true, and I tend to think they are, BoB's achievements are stained beyond repair. EvE is doomed unless the Devs come down hard and and do something radical. My OP was done part in jest, Some have taken me at my word and didn't read between the lines but, that's just my odd sense of humour, maybe I should be less obtuse. I know for one person here (me) I would think twice about my two accounts being re subbed if this turns out that BoD are basically cheating thier way to victory. The whole thing makes me very sad that such an awesome game has been stained in such a vile way. (oh my I am being melodramatic) To BoB leaders that are not implicated in all this. Get your house in order and be public about it as much as you can be and you will regain some of the respect you have sadly lost. Oh I can almost see the responses already "We don't want your respect" type of stuff. My answer to that is simple. You should. Oh jeez, just quit already. If you believe all that tinfoil hat crap that you wrote then you are out of touch with reality and need a large dose of fresh air to cure you. Of course anyone that beats you had to be cheating / hacking, it's not possible they out-thought and outgunned you is it?
Sadao Minmatar Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.02.04 15:55:00 - [49] Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch Oh jeez, just quit already. If you believe all that tinfoil hat crap that you wrote then you are out of touch with reality and need a large dose of fresh air to cure you. Of course anyone that beats you had to be cheating / hacking, it's not possible they out-thought and outgunned you is it? I have been beaten many times (33 I think off the top of my head) I cant think of a single one where I suspected cheating\hacking was going on, just my mistakes/missfortune. Sutch. STFU you troll.
Rhaegar Targarin Minmatar	Posted - 2007.02.04 16:03:00 - [50] Originally by: Empire marketslave so what happends when when they ancor a bunch of pos in your station system and claim the staion as thier own? you undock once and you can never have your stuff back again They can't stay everywhere all the time. Rhaegar Targarin - Minmatar Combat Pilot

ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.02.04 16:28:00 - [51] Originally by: Sadao Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch Oh jeez, just quit already. If you believe all that tinfoil hat crap that you wrote then you are out of touch with reality and need a large dose of fresh air to cure you. Of course anyone that beats you had to be cheating / hacking, it's not possible they out-thought and outgunned you is it? I have been beaten many times (33 I think off the top of my head) I cant think of a single one where I suspected cheating\hacking was going on, just my mistakes/missfortune. Sutch. STFU you troll. So here you admit you fought BOB and never suspected them. A few posts back you waxed lyrical about your distrust of them and how you think their cheating has cheapened their accomplishments. You do contradict yourself don't you? You threatened to quit, I encouraged you, it's obvious you will never be happy and will always be clutching your tinfoil hat. Why bother staying if thats how you feel?
Cipher7 Acme Technologies Incorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.04 16:42:00 - [52] Edited by: Cipher7 on 04/02/2007 16:39:00 There's only one problem. With no POS, the white flags will take too much Zyd Doesn't this plan require an English-French dictionary?
Sadao Minmatar Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.02.04 16:55:00 - [53] Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch Originally by: Sadao Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch Oh jeez, just quit already. If you believe all that tinfoil hat crap that you wrote then you are out of touch with reality and need a large dose of fresh air to cure you. Of course anyone that beats you had to be cheating / hacking, it's not possible they out-thought and outgunned you is it? I have been beaten many times (33 I think off the top of my head) I cant think of a single one where I suspected cheating\hacking was going on, just my mistakes/missfortune. Sutch. STFU you troll. So here you admit you fought BOB and never suspected them. A few posts back you waxed lyrical about your distrust of them and how you think their cheating has cheapened their accomplishments. You do contradict yourself don't you? You threatened to quit, I encouraged you, it's obvious you will never be happy and will always be clutching your tinfoil hat. Why bother staying if thats how you feel? 1.I didn't threaten to quit you muppet, I said i would have to think about my two accounts beisng re-subbed. Go re-read it. 2.If the allegations turn out to be true then yes the accomplishments are cheapened. Back under your bridge troll.
Kazuma Saruwatari	Posted - 2007.02.04 17:18:00 - [54] Originally by: Sadao ...Well I have found since early childhood the best way to defeat some one is to 1. Run away and 2. Ignore them completely... ...So would it work or is it just a dumb idea? Surprisingly, experts on bully psychology say that doing the either of the two above just aggravates the bully to do even worse stuff to the victim child. I see the same happening in EVE, to be honest. Addendum: Replace "victim child" with "rest of the playerbase" and you're close
Superbus Maximus Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.04 17:20:00 - [55] Lol sounds boring plus thats a coawards way of doing things, and exactly why most alliances fail :D
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.04 17:21:00 - [56] Originally by: Aphotic Raven Originally by: Gibmundur You cant beat bob, they got a complex system of isk farmers, supposed dev help etc. Not surprising that kugutsumen got banned for revealing this **, he broke no law that bob hasnt done before, example when blacklight was reading from our forums on bob radio, why wasnt he banned for that? Because hes in BoB.. duh.. Tis not like any of this ** is new anyway, NPC dreadnauts assisting in pos destruction.. thats a nice trick. Goes back a while too. Just wait 2 weeks so till the gms realise that the whinging wont stop, then they either A) say they've investigated but that all devs are innocent or B) pick someones alt account and ban it! ban it hard! to appease the public... which will change nothing but perhaps cool down the forums so the devs can go back to not fixing drone a.i. and keep helping bob I hope this means that you will be quitting the game soon when the dev thing donÆt go your way. Better yet, maybe your whole alliance will quit in protest. Maybe the OP guy has something there for you. Hey? Since IÆm not a dev and neither are the rest of BoB, there is nothing CCP can ban me for. The fact that most times you come up against BoB lite on the battlefield, you get pawned, that wonÆt change any time soon. The devs donÆt let us target you any faster and hit you any harder, so you can cry all you want and do whatever you want. All it will do is get you called primary sooner. Or you can quit now. Bye. Can I have your stuff? The truth will set you free
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.04 17:28:00 - [57] Don't worry about it, the devs are already leaving BOB. At least 2 people I have been told are devs have left BoB over the last few days. I wonder if running away is an indication of guilt...
Soporo	Posted - 2007.02.04 17:34:00 - [58] Quote: Well I have found since early childhood the best way to defeat some one is to 1. Run away and 2. Ignore them completely. Well, that never worked for me as a youngin. They were usually older and faster, and ignoring them ***es them off more than anything. Thats when I learned the value of ranged weaponry and equalizers. I mean, we got this opposable thumb for a reason. throws brick*
Revona	Posted - 2007.02.04 17:45:00 - [59] You might as well go to a popular place irl, and spank yourself while pretending to be a monkey. Roll over the ground alot, and ask people for money. It'd be just as low.
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2007.02.04 17:52:00 - [60] Originally by: Revona You might as well go to a popular place irl, and spank yourself while pretending to be a monkey. Roll over the ground alot, and ask people for money. It'd be just as low. probably less boring though



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