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Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.05 01:25:00 - [1] So basically what they are saying is EVERYONE'S options should be: A) Stay in the Noob corp and pay some outragous tax rate such as 30% B) Join a 0.0 player corp and pay 20 million isk a month for the privledge of being BoB's little pets. Let's face it. Before long, most if not all of 0.0 will be controlled by BoB because no one has the guts to stand up to them. Eventually, they will own it all and their slaves will all be paying 20 million a month per corp member. I know some forum muppet is probably going to post here and try to explain to me how 20 million a month is "nothing" in 0.0 which brings me to the point on why these "tax noob corps" threads are stupid. The insane amounts of isk the 0.0 corp players can make in 0.0 ARE the main reward for being in such a corp. Meanwhile, the noob s who just joined the game or even the two year vets who simply don't want to leave the noob corps are shackled by low paying agents, crappy asteroids and no real way to make the insane isk you can in 0.0. {Save for maybe trading but you need isk to make isk in trading} So how can you actually justify taxing noob corps? Not to mention from CCP's perspective, it would be business suicide. No new players would play this game if they made so little isk in the noob portion of the game. When a faction module starts at 25-35 million on an auction contract and I read some pre schooler ranting about taxing noobs up the rear end, it just makes me laugh at the entire situation. Everytime i see one of those "tax the noobs" threads, it just makes me glad I never left the Noob corp because do i really want to be playing this game with people with such a moronic and self centered mindset?
Jennifer Meek Gallente Planck Bubble Generation Technologies	Posted - 2007.02.05 01:31:00 - [2] The day BOB holds every bit of 0.0 space is the day everyone gets along in peace & love and happiness. ---
Moraguth Amarr Rangers	Posted - 2007.02.05 01:34:00 - [3] first off, a tax rate of 30% has only been suggested once that i've seen, and i posted in that thread too. 30% is too much, something like the default 10% is more reasonable. Additionally, n00bs wouldn't be taxed, just the n00b corps. A newbie doesn't kill anything big enough to get taxed (the minimum is something like 50k isk isn't it?). Also, you don't HAVE to join a BoB shell corp in 0.0, I have my own corp. I MIGHT have some friends join it, but it's not necessary. I make pleanty of money, I don't have to pay anyone 20 rediculous million a month to fly in "their" space. Screw that, I go where I want, when i want, right on BoB's doorstep. In this game you can do anything you want. People in newb corps should be newbs, not vets hiding from war decs and taxes that exist in every other corp in the game. Make your own corp, leave the corp wallet at 0, and set a 0% tax. you'll be fine. good game
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.05 01:36:00 - [4] They may not be able to hold all of it but they will hold a high percentage of it eventually. Who is going to stop them? Ironically, the posters who are soooooo concerned about the "cowards" hiding in the noob corps from war decs are also members of the corps who apparently don't have the balls to stand up to BoB. I think they should worry more about there own situations than what is going on in Empire.
Drakma Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.02.05 01:37:00 - [5] Is this a BoB Whine thread or an NPC Corp Whine thread? ----------------- Gekidoku is recruiting
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.05 01:40:00 - [6] Originally by: Drakma Is this a BoB Whine thread or an NPC Corp Whine thread? I am not whining about either one of them.
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.02.05 01:40:00 - [7] Originally by: Drakma Is this a BoB Whine thread or an NPC Corp Whine thread? My vote goes for noob alt troll post.
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.05 01:47:00 - [8] Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch Originally by: Drakma Is this a BoB Whine thread or an NPC Corp Whine thread? My vote goes for noob alt troll post. What difference would it make if I posted with this or my main. I still think you are an idiot regardless which character i use.
Lexus666 Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.02.05 01:56:00 - [9] It's actually quite simple. It's not a way to tax 'n00bs' at all it's PvPers who want to get people in high sec out of the NPC corps so they can war dec them and get easy kills while they're mining, trading, transporting, running missions, whatever. Sadly there is a mindset that because the MM part of MMORPG stands for 'Massive Multiplayer' you actually want to partake in the multiplayer aspect of the game. This is wrong, wrong and thrice wrong. It's more a case trying to make people who have no interest in PvP as such being put in a position where they have to constantly change/create corps to play the game how they want to and not have a play style (PvP) forced upon them. People who actually want to go into 0.0 and join corps that can and do will and good luck to them. They want that type of play style, fair play to them. The people (like myself) who like a small amount of player interaction but prefer the PvE route in empire by, for example, running missions should be allowed to do so. Last time I checked my 13.95 euros (or whatever it is now) a month is as good as anyone elses.
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.05 02:01:00 - [10] Edited by: Hasak Rain on 05/02/2007 01:59:31 Originally by: Lexus666 It's actually quite simple. It's not a way to tax 'n00bs' at all it's PvPers who want to get people in high sec out of the NPC corps so they can war dec them and get easy kills while they're mining, trading, transporting, running missions, whatever. Sadly there is a mindset that because the MM part of MMORPG stands for 'Massive Multiplayer' you actually want to partake in the multiplayer aspect of the game. This is wrong, wrong and thrice wrong. It's more a case trying to make people who have no interest in PvP as such being put in a position where they have to constantly change/create corps to play the game how they want to and not have a play style (PvP) forced upon them. People who actually want to go into 0.0 and join corps that can and do will and good luck to them. They want that type of play style, fair play to them. The people (like myself) who like a small amount of player interaction but prefer the PvE route in empire by, for example, running missions should be allowed to do so. Last time I checked my 13.95 euros (or whatever it is now) a month is as good as anyone elses. I agree with you 100% Lex. In fact, i find it pretty funny when the playerbase touts this game as "a big sand box," yet, they don't want to let people play it in the way they want and people are being told what they are doing is "wrong." It is a joke really.
DiuxDium Casting Shadows	Posted - 2007.02.05 02:03:00 - [11] Originally by: Hasak Rain So basically what they are saying is EVERYONE'S options should be: A) Stay in the Noob corp and pay some outragous tax rate such as 30% B) Join a 0.0 player corp and pay 20 million isk a month for the privledge of being BoB's little pets. Let's face it. Before long, most if not all of 0.0 will be controlled by BoB because no one has the guts to stand up to them. Eventually, they will own it all and their slaves will all be paying 20 million a month per corp member. I know some forum muppet is probably going to post here and try to explain to me how 20 million a month is "nothing" in 0.0 which brings me to the point on why these "tax noob corps" threads are stupid. The insane amounts of isk the 0.0 corp players can make in 0.0 ARE the main reward for being in such a corp. Meanwhile, the noob s who just joined the game or even the two year vets who simply don't want to leave the noob corps are shackled by low paying agents, crappy asteroids and no real way to make the insane isk you can in 0.0. {Save for maybe trading but you need isk to make isk in trading} So how can you actually justify taxing noob corps? Not to mention from CCP's perspective, it would be business suicide. No new players would play this game if they made so little isk in the noob portion of the game. When a faction module starts at 25-35 million on an auction contract and I read some pre schooler ranting about taxing noobs up the rear end, it just makes me laugh at the entire situation. Everytime i see one of those "tax the noobs" threads, it just makes me glad I never left the Noob corp because do i really want to be playing this game with people with such a moronic and self centered mindset? BoB only charge 20m a month? Where do I sign up. --------------- PvP in EvE is not consentual.
Hellspawn01 Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.02.05 02:04:00 - [12] My vote goes to "Boohoo, NPC corp members dont have to spend ISK to stay in corps and can do what they want. Nerf them!" Ship lovers click here
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.05 02:06:00 - [13] Originally by: DiuxDium Originally by: Hasak Rain So basically what they are saying is EVERYONE'S options should be: A) Stay in the Noob corp and pay some outragous tax rate such as 30% B) Join a 0.0 player corp and pay 20 million isk a month for the privledge of being BoB's little pets. Let's face it. Before long, most if not all of 0.0 will be controlled by BoB because no one has the guts to stand up to them. Eventually, they will own it all and their slaves will all be paying 20 million a month per corp member. I know some forum muppet is probably going to post here and try to explain to me how 20 million a month is "nothing" in 0.0 which brings me to the point on why these "tax noob corps" threads are stupid. The insane amounts of isk the 0.0 corp players can make in 0.0 ARE the main reward for being in such a corp. Meanwhile, the noob s who just joined the game or even the two year vets who simply don't want to leave the noob corps are shackled by low paying agents, crappy asteroids and no real way to make the insane isk you can in 0.0. {Save for maybe trading but you need isk to make isk in trading} So how can you actually justify taxing noob corps? Not to mention from CCP's perspective, it would be business suicide. No new players would play this game if they made so little isk in the noob portion of the game. When a faction module starts at 25-35 million on an auction contract and I read some pre schooler ranting about taxing noobs up the rear end, it just makes me laugh at the entire situation. Everytime i see one of those "tax the noobs" threads, it just makes me glad I never left the Noob corp because do i really want to be playing this game with people with such a moronic and self centered mindset? BoB only charge 20m a month? Where do I sign up. Go to the recruitment boards where BoB's slaves are trying to recruit members to cover their monthly "fee." In fact, I saw one ad yesterday where one such CEO said that you don't have to participate in corp ops if you don't want to...lol As long as you pay your 20 million a month.
Riley Craven Caldari Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.05 02:11:00 - [14] Edited by: Riley Craven on 05/02/2007 02:07:31 Originally by: DiuxDium Originally by: Hasak Rain So basically what they are saying is EVERYONE'S options should be: A) Stay in the Noob corp and pay some outragous tax rate such as 30% B) Join a 0.0 player corp and pay 20 million isk a month for the privledge of being BoB's little pets. Let's face it. Before long, most if not all of 0.0 will be controlled by BoB because no one has the guts to stand up to them. Eventually, they will own it all and their slaves will all be paying 20 million a month per corp member. I know some forum muppet is probably going to post here and try to explain to me how 20 million a month is "nothing" in 0.0 which brings me to the point on why these "tax noob corps" threads are stupid. The insane amounts of isk the 0.0 corp players can make in 0.0 ARE the main reward for being in such a corp. Meanwhile, the noob s who just joined the game or even the two year vets who simply don't want to leave the noob corps are shackled by low paying agents, crappy asteroids and no real way to make the insane isk you can in 0.0. {Save for maybe trading but you need isk to make isk in trading} So how can you actually justify taxing noob corps? Not to mention from CCP's perspective, it would be business suicide. No new players would play this game if they made so little isk in the noob portion of the game. When a faction module starts at 25-35 million on an auction contract and I read some pre schooler ranting about taxing noobs up the rear end, it just makes me laugh at the entire situation. Everytime i see one of those "tax the noobs" threads, it just makes me glad I never left the Noob corp because do i really want to be playing this game with people with such a moronic and self centered mindset? BoB only charge 20m a month? Where do I sign up. I believe our pricing plan is 300mil per week per corp.
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.05 02:14:00 - [15] Originally by: Riley Craven Edited by: Riley Craven on 05/02/2007 02:07:31 Originally by: DiuxDium Originally by: Hasak Rain So basically what they are saying is EVERYONE'S options should be: A) Stay in the Noob corp and pay some outragous tax rate such as 30% B) Join a 0.0 player corp and pay 20 million isk a month for the privledge of being BoB's little pets. Let's face it. Before long, most if not all of 0.0 will be controlled by BoB because no one has the guts to stand up to them. Eventually, they will own it all and their slaves will all be paying 20 million a month per corp member. I know some forum muppet is probably going to post here and try to explain to me how 20 million a month is "nothing" in 0.0 which brings me to the point on why these "tax noob corps" threads are stupid. The insane amounts of isk the 0.0 corp players can make in 0.0 ARE the main reward for being in such a corp. Meanwhile, the noob s who just joined the game or even the two year vets who simply don't want to leave the noob corps are shackled by low paying agents, crappy asteroids and no real way to make the insane isk you can in 0.0. {Save for maybe trading but you need isk to make isk in trading} So how can you actually justify taxing noob corps? Not to mention from CCP's perspective, it would be business suicide. No new players would play this game if they made so little isk in the noob portion of the game. When a faction module starts at 25-35 million on an auction contract and I read some pre schooler ranting about taxing noobs up the rear end, it just makes me laugh at the entire situation. Everytime i see one of those "tax the noobs" threads, it just makes me glad I never left the Noob corp because do i really want to be playing this game with people with such a moronic and self centered mindset? BoB only charge 20m a month? Where do I sign up. I believe our pricing plan is 300mil per week per corp. So it would probably benefit people to join a bigger slave corp since the expense is more stretched out in bigger corps.
Samirol OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.05 02:19:00 - [16] the people saying that dont have any respect for other's playstyles I buy insane sigs, mail me ingame.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.05 06:49:00 - [17] LOL.. So in addition to the standard corp tax the members also have to pay up to 20 mil each per month just to say they are in BoB? WTF is wrong with that equation.. The CEO's must be RL CEO's to have the morals (or lack of.. :-P ) to get away with theft on that scale.. /me <3 Imperial Academy.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.05 07:11:00 - [18] Edited by: Plutoinum on 05/02/2007 07:08:02 Originally by: Hasak Rain So basically what they are saying is EVERYONE'S options should be: A) Stay in the Noob corp and pay some outragous tax rate such as 30% B) Join a 0.0 player corp and pay 20 million isk a month for the privledge of being BoB's little pets. Ok, besides that its bullox, where is option C like being a member of one of the hundreds other player corps that have nothing to do with BoB. I mean those are the majority. ______________ Originally by: Patch86 Combat in EVE is non-consensual. Unlike most games, EVE, by design, forces you to be ready for violence everywhere-even hi-sec space.
tiewan	Posted - 2007.02.05 08:18:00 - [19] I stand up to Bob every single day.. no problem
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.02.05 08:21:00 - [20] More people forced into player corps ia a good thing. Wont be bob's ***es, they actually dont have a whole lot of numbers. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever**
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.02.05 08:24:00 - [21] 30% tax rate to all players older than 6mo's would be AWESOME. Force people into player run corps, and add to the number players...cause frankly, SWA members arent actually players, just scenery to the rest of the EVE population. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
Lexus666 Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.02.05 08:47:00 - [22] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg 30% tax rate to all players older than 6mo's would be AWESOME. Force people into player run corps, and add to the number players...cause frankly, SWA members arent actually players, just scenery to the rest of the EVE population. Aren't actually players, get over yourself I'm as much a player as you. Again, I say my money is as good to CCPs as yours is. If this did happen it would be another sign of CCP giving into PvP whiners (WCS nerf and Logoff timer anyone?) It's players like you who put me off the MM part of this game because quite frankly I can't be arsed with you!..
Sinder Ohm Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.05 08:50:00 - [23] 1. Bob are NOT going to take over the whole of 0.0 ! I grow tired of these "oh nooes the sky is falling BOB are godlike, grab your tinfoil hats" attitudes. 2. Fact is many older players abuse the imunity you get in noob corps, this should be stopped. Perhaps enforcing 20% tax after the pod pilot has reached 6 months of age. Originally by: Blind Man okies so liek when u warp in on them u shod target them... and stuff k.then u FIRE ZE MISSILES
Sinder Ohm Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.05 08:58:00 - [24] Originally by: Lexus666 Originally by: Haniblecter Teg 30% tax rate to all players older than 6mo's would be AWESOME. Force people into player run corps, and add to the number players...cause frankly, SWA members arent actually players, just scenery to the rest of the EVE population. Aren't actually players, get over yourself I'm as much a player as you. Again, I say my money is as good to CCPs as yours is. If this did happen it would be another sign of CCP giving into PvP whiners (WCS nerf and Logoff timer anyone?) It's players like you who put me off the MM part of this game because quite frankly I can't be arsed with you!.. I would like to interject here.... I must partly agree with lexus mate. People in noob corps contribute nothing to the eve universe, they in no way influence the game in any way eg: they dont have any influence on EVE politics, the eve map, and very little on the market (since noob corps have no common goal its everyone for himself) although I am not saying u arent a player and ur monthly fee doenst count any less than mine. If you understand what I mean. Originally by: Blind Man okies so liek when u warp in on them u shod target them... and stuff k.then u FIRE ZE MISSILES
Blue Pixie	Posted - 2007.02.05 09:06:00 - [25] So people who don't want to be wardec'd are cowards, and people who don't want to be Concord'd are what... internet tough guys? NPC corps only provide 'protection' in high security systems. And that does not afford a player total immunity from having his ship destroyed or even from being podded by a determined opponent. You can attack and defeat an NPC corp player ù even in high security space. Some people just don't want to suffer any consequences for it.
Nyack GREY COUNCIL Breidablik	Posted - 2007.02.05 09:36:00 - [26] being a ceo my self got a few pointers... there is an inbalance for smaller empire based corps if they want to recruit. as someone pointed out not every corp is living in 0,0 acutally only a fraction of the corps do. most are empire based mission running corps, traders etc. for these corps to function for rents porduction etc they have to have a corp tax. now these corps will have a dissadvantage from teh start cause they can be war dec and most small mission running corps cant survive that.so that leaves no motivation at all for npc corpers to actually leave the npc corp cause there they have no tax at all and immunity.. that is simply not balanced or fair for the emprie based corps. the big 0,0 corps coudlnt care less if the npc corps were taxed or not.. it would even be a threat if they were cause then there might be more factions growing up in empire.. when my corp started up 3 or so years ago we started as a small mission running corp. we haev evolved since then and are now part of the 0,0 politcs and fights. if we had teh corp tax thingy and no tax on npc corp back then our corp would have had a very hard time to evolve. remember npc corps are ment to be safe havens between wars and for noobs to start up in. it is not ment to be a tax free mission corp.. i think ccp would loose even more subscribers with no tax cause then fewer people would branch out and explore past the noob corp.
Jaseon	Posted - 2007.02.05 09:42:00 - [27] my personal beliefe is that peopel that stick around in npc corps for months years and only runs mission is people with very low self asteem. they want to be that big guy on the schoolyard the little kids see up to.. the npc corp channel often has "ooh dude you got a battleship wow" "ooh thank did you give me 5m wow".. they know in the npc corps they can be gods that the noobs look up to but if they leave the npc corps they are nobodies and actually have to work to get a good reputation and achieve stuff just not fly a pimped cnr and petition every time lag kills it..
Max Godsnottlingson Amarr Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2007.02.05 09:49:00 - [28] The first point is only something that is being pushed for by high sec gankers, I won't call them PvPers because most of them don't how to kill anything other then a hauler which can't fight back. Most of these are of the same brat mentality that spoils many on-line games, they have no interest in playing fair, or playing a good game. At the very least they are simply ignorant and/or stupid not to be able to comprehend that some people play eve but don't want PvP. You'll see them put up a lot of sorry arguments for their weak and sorry style of play. "Eve is a none consensual PvP game." Yes it is, you have low sec and 0.0 to fight in. Oh! But no, that means risking getting shot back at. "We're teaching those fat lazy Empire trader/miner/whatever a lesson." Yeah! Lazy! Talk about hypocritical. Some poor shumck looses a weeks hard work to a bunch of lazy so and so's who spend an hour parked on a high sec gate suicide camping, and as to the second point. So long as nobody is cheating who the hell are they to dictate how anybody plays their game? 'There's no place safe in Eve' Again true. But it's ironic that my Corp mates take a week out in 0.0 for a quiet and relaxing week of R&R. People who stay in NPC corps are not the problem, the problem is the sad and sorry crew who like to adopt a school yard bully approach to playing Eve by hanging in High sec picking on targets that they know cannot fight back, and to make it worse do so by hiding behind every technicallity in the game. While I will hold short of calling them exploiters they are the very least poor sportsmen who don't have the skills to play the game as it is intended.
Lexus666 Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.02.05 10:47:00 - [29] Originally by: Jaseon my personal beliefe is that peopel that stick around in npc corps for months years and only runs mission is people with very low self asteem. they want to be that big guy on the schoolyard the little kids see up to.. the npc corp channel often has "ooh dude you got a battleship wow" "ooh thank did you give me 5m wow".. they know in the npc corps they can be gods that the noobs look up to but if they leave the npc corps they are nobodies and actually have to work to get a good reputation and achieve stuff just not fly a pimped cnr and petition every time lag kills it.. My personal beliefs are: 1) Get a dictionary 'whatever crap you speak' to English, they're not expensive. 2) Capital letters and punctuation are your friends. 3) Low esteem my arse, just can't be bothered with idiots like you, whoever you are if this is an alt. 4) The alternatives are sometimes a bit crap - from the recruitment channel; a) I saw a corp with a tax rate of 75%, b) Corps bragging of 0.0 Access (usually 5 man corp or something equally tedious), c) Huge joining fees or monthly fees for 0.0 access. 5) Think before you type, people rarely speak like that in corp chat (although I never pay that much attention). 6) Come to think of it just unplug your ******* keyboard.
Nerf Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.05 11:10:00 - [30] Originally by: Lexus666 Originally by: Jaseon my personal beliefe is that peopel that stick around in npc corps for months years and only runs mission is people with very low self asteem. they want to be that big guy on the schoolyard the little kids see up to.. the npc corp channel often has "ooh dude you got a battleship wow" "ooh thank did you give me 5m wow".. they know in the npc corps they can be gods that the noobs look up to but if they leave the npc corps they are nobodies and actually have to work to get a good reputation and achieve stuff just not fly a pimped cnr and petition every time lag kills it.. My personal beliefs are: 1) Get a dictionary 'whatever crap you speak' to English, they're not expensive. 2) Capital letters and punctuation are your friends. 3) Low esteem my arse, just can't be bothered with idiots like you, whoever you are if this is an alt. 4) The alternatives are sometimes a bit crap - from the recruitment channel; a) I saw a corp with a tax rate of 75%, b) Corps bragging of 0.0 Access (usually 5 man corp or something equally tedious), c) Huge joining fees or monthly fees for 0.0 access. 5) Think before you type, people rarely speak like that in corp chat (although I never pay that much attention). 6) Come to think of it just unplug your ******* keyboard. Win. To be honest, though, I would never, ever join a corp with a joining fee or monthly fee of any sort, or a tax rate as absurd as that. There are plenty of good corps out there, I'm not going to waste my time on anything like that.

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