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Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.05 01:25:00 - [1] So basically what they are saying is EVERYONE'S options should be: A) Stay in the Noob corp and pay some outragous tax rate such as 30% B) Join a 0.0 player corp and pay 20 million isk a month for the privledge of being BoB's little pets. Let's face it. Before long, most if not all of 0.0 will be controlled by BoB because no one has the guts to stand up to them. Eventually, they will own it all and their slaves will all be paying 20 million a month per corp member. I know some forum muppet is probably going to post here and try to explain to me how 20 million a month is "nothing" in 0.0 which brings me to the point on why these "tax noob corps" threads are stupid. The insane amounts of isk the 0.0 corp players can make in 0.0 ARE the main reward for being in such a corp. Meanwhile, the noob s who just joined the game or even the two year vets who simply don't want to leave the noob corps are shackled by low paying agents, crappy asteroids and no real way to make the insane isk you can in 0.0. {Save for maybe trading but you need isk to make isk in trading} So how can you actually justify taxing noob corps? Not to mention from CCP's perspective, it would be business suicide. No new players would play this game if they made so little isk in the noob portion of the game. When a faction module starts at 25-35 million on an auction contract and I read some pre schooler ranting about taxing noobs up the rear end, it just makes me laugh at the entire situation. Everytime i see one of those "tax the noobs" threads, it just makes me glad I never left the Noob corp because do i really want to be playing this game with people with such a moronic and self centered mindset?
Jennifer Meek Gallente Planck Bubble Generation Technologies	Posted - 2007.02.05 01:31:00 - [2] The day BOB holds every bit of 0.0 space is the day everyone gets along in peace & love and happiness. ---
Moraguth Amarr Rangers	Posted - 2007.02.05 01:34:00 - [3] first off, a tax rate of 30% has only been suggested once that i've seen, and i posted in that thread too. 30% is too much, something like the default 10% is more reasonable. Additionally, n00bs wouldn't be taxed, just the n00b corps. A newbie doesn't kill anything big enough to get taxed (the minimum is something like 50k isk isn't it?). Also, you don't HAVE to join a BoB shell corp in 0.0, I have my own corp. I MIGHT have some friends join it, but it's not necessary. I make pleanty of money, I don't have to pay anyone 20 rediculous million a month to fly in "their" space. Screw that, I go where I want, when i want, right on BoB's doorstep. In this game you can do anything you want. People in newb corps should be newbs, not vets hiding from war decs and taxes that exist in every other corp in the game. Make your own corp, leave the corp wallet at 0, and set a 0% tax. you'll be fine. good game
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.05 01:36:00 - [4] They may not be able to hold all of it but they will hold a high percentage of it eventually. Who is going to stop them? Ironically, the posters who are soooooo concerned about the "cowards" hiding in the noob corps from war decs are also members of the corps who apparently don't have the balls to stand up to BoB. I think they should worry more about there own situations than what is going on in Empire.
Drakma Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.02.05 01:37:00 - [5] Is this a BoB Whine thread or an NPC Corp Whine thread? ----------------- Gekidoku is recruiting
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.05 01:40:00 - [6] Originally by: Drakma Is this a BoB Whine thread or an NPC Corp Whine thread? I am not whining about either one of them.
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.02.05 01:40:00 - [7] Originally by: Drakma Is this a BoB Whine thread or an NPC Corp Whine thread? My vote goes for noob alt troll post.
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.05 01:47:00 - [8] Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch Originally by: Drakma Is this a BoB Whine thread or an NPC Corp Whine thread? My vote goes for noob alt troll post. What difference would it make if I posted with this or my main. I still think you are an idiot regardless which character i use.
Lexus666 Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.02.05 01:56:00 - [9] It's actually quite simple. It's not a way to tax 'n00bs' at all it's PvPers who want to get people in high sec out of the NPC corps so they can war dec them and get easy kills while they're mining, trading, transporting, running missions, whatever. Sadly there is a mindset that because the MM part of MMORPG stands for 'Massive Multiplayer' you actually want to partake in the multiplayer aspect of the game. This is wrong, wrong and thrice wrong. It's more a case trying to make people who have no interest in PvP as such being put in a position where they have to constantly change/create corps to play the game how they want to and not have a play style (PvP) forced upon them. People who actually want to go into 0.0 and join corps that can and do will and good luck to them. They want that type of play style, fair play to them. The people (like myself) who like a small amount of player interaction but prefer the PvE route in empire by, for example, running missions should be allowed to do so. Last time I checked my 13.95 euros (or whatever it is now) a month is as good as anyone elses.
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.05 02:01:00 - [10] Edited by: Hasak Rain on 05/02/2007 01:59:31 Originally by: Lexus666 It's actually quite simple. It's not a way to tax 'n00bs' at all it's PvPers who want to get people in high sec out of the NPC corps so they can war dec them and get easy kills while they're mining, trading, transporting, running missions, whatever. Sadly there is a mindset that because the MM part of MMORPG stands for 'Massive Multiplayer' you actually want to partake in the multiplayer aspect of the game. This is wrong, wrong and thrice wrong. It's more a case trying to make people who have no interest in PvP as such being put in a position where they have to constantly change/create corps to play the game how they want to and not have a play style (PvP) forced upon them. People who actually want to go into 0.0 and join corps that can and do will and good luck to them. They want that type of play style, fair play to them. The people (like myself) who like a small amount of player interaction but prefer the PvE route in empire by, for example, running missions should be allowed to do so. Last time I checked my 13.95 euros (or whatever it is now) a month is as good as anyone elses. I agree with you 100% Lex. In fact, i find it pretty funny when the playerbase touts this game as "a big sand box," yet, they don't want to let people play it in the way they want and people are being told what they are doing is "wrong." It is a joke really.
DiuxDium Casting Shadows	Posted - 2007.02.05 02:03:00 - [11] Originally by: Hasak Rain So basically what they are saying is EVERYONE'S options should be: A) Stay in the Noob corp and pay some outragous tax rate such as 30% B) Join a 0.0 player corp and pay 20 million isk a month for the privledge of being BoB's little pets. Let's face it. Before long, most if not all of 0.0 will be controlled by BoB because no one has the guts to stand up to them. Eventually, they will own it all and their slaves will all be paying 20 million a month per corp member. I know some forum muppet is probably going to post here and try to explain to me how 20 million a month is "nothing" in 0.0 which brings me to the point on why these "tax noob corps" threads are stupid. The insane amounts of isk the 0.0 corp players can make in 0.0 ARE the main reward for being in such a corp. Meanwhile, the noob s who just joined the game or even the two year vets who simply don't want to leave the noob corps are shackled by low paying agents, crappy asteroids and no real way to make the insane isk you can in 0.0. {Save for maybe trading but you need isk to make isk in trading} So how can you actually justify taxing noob corps? Not to mention from CCP's perspective, it would be business suicide. No new players would play this game if they made so little isk in the noob portion of the game. When a faction module starts at 25-35 million on an auction contract and I read some pre schooler ranting about taxing noobs up the rear end, it just makes me laugh at the entire situation. Everytime i see one of those "tax the noobs" threads, it just makes me glad I never left the Noob corp because do i really want to be playing this game with people with such a moronic and self centered mindset? BoB only charge 20m a month? Where do I sign up. --------------- PvP in EvE is not consentual.
Hellspawn01 Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.02.05 02:04:00 - [12] My vote goes to "Boohoo, NPC corp members dont have to spend ISK to stay in corps and can do what they want. Nerf them!" Ship lovers click here
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.05 02:06:00 - [13] Originally by: DiuxDium Originally by: Hasak Rain So basically what they are saying is EVERYONE'S options should be: A) Stay in the Noob corp and pay some outragous tax rate such as 30% B) Join a 0.0 player corp and pay 20 million isk a month for the privledge of being BoB's little pets. Let's face it. Before long, most if not all of 0.0 will be controlled by BoB because no one has the guts to stand up to them. Eventually, they will own it all and their slaves will all be paying 20 million a month per corp member. I know some forum muppet is probably going to post here and try to explain to me how 20 million a month is "nothing" in 0.0 which brings me to the point on why these "tax noob corps" threads are stupid. The insane amounts of isk the 0.0 corp players can make in 0.0 ARE the main reward for being in such a corp. Meanwhile, the noob s who just joined the game or even the two year vets who simply don't want to leave the noob corps are shackled by low paying agents, crappy asteroids and no real way to make the insane isk you can in 0.0. {Save for maybe trading but you need isk to make isk in trading} So how can you actually justify taxing noob corps? Not to mention from CCP's perspective, it would be business suicide. No new players would play this game if they made so little isk in the noob portion of the game. When a faction module starts at 25-35 million on an auction contract and I read some pre schooler ranting about taxing noobs up the rear end, it just makes me laugh at the entire situation. Everytime i see one of those "tax the noobs" threads, it just makes me glad I never left the Noob corp because do i really want to be playing this game with people with such a moronic and self centered mindset? BoB only charge 20m a month? Where do I sign up. Go to the recruitment boards where BoB's slaves are trying to recruit members to cover their monthly "fee." In fact, I saw one ad yesterday where one such CEO said that you don't have to participate in corp ops if you don't want to...lol As long as you pay your 20 million a month.
Riley Craven Caldari Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.05 02:11:00 - [14] Edited by: Riley Craven on 05/02/2007 02:07:31 Originally by: DiuxDium Originally by: Hasak Rain So basically what they are saying is EVERYONE'S options should be: A) Stay in the Noob corp and pay some outragous tax rate such as 30% B) Join a 0.0 player corp and pay 20 million isk a month for the privledge of being BoB's little pets. Let's face it. Before long, most if not all of 0.0 will be controlled by BoB because no one has the guts to stand up to them. Eventually, they will own it all and their slaves will all be paying 20 million a month per corp member. I know some forum muppet is probably going to post here and try to explain to me how 20 million a month is "nothing" in 0.0 which brings me to the point on why these "tax noob corps" threads are stupid. The insane amounts of isk the 0.0 corp players can make in 0.0 ARE the main reward for being in such a corp. Meanwhile, the noob s who just joined the game or even the two year vets who simply don't want to leave the noob corps are shackled by low paying agents, crappy asteroids and no real way to make the insane isk you can in 0.0. {Save for maybe trading but you need isk to make isk in trading} So how can you actually justify taxing noob corps? Not to mention from CCP's perspective, it would be business suicide. No new players would play this game if they made so little isk in the noob portion of the game. When a faction module starts at 25-35 million on an auction contract and I read some pre schooler ranting about taxing noobs up the rear end, it just makes me laugh at the entire situation. Everytime i see one of those "tax the noobs" threads, it just makes me glad I never left the Noob corp because do i really want to be playing this game with people with such a moronic and self centered mindset? BoB only charge 20m a month? Where do I sign up. I believe our pricing plan is 300mil per week per corp.
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.05 02:14:00 - [15] Originally by: Riley Craven Edited by: Riley Craven on 05/02/2007 02:07:31 Originally by: DiuxDium Originally by: Hasak Rain So basically what they are saying is EVERYONE'S options should be: A) Stay in the Noob corp and pay some outragous tax rate such as 30% B) Join a 0.0 player corp and pay 20 million isk a month for the privledge of being BoB's little pets. Let's face it. Before long, most if not all of 0.0 will be controlled by BoB because no one has the guts to stand up to them. Eventually, they will own it all and their slaves will all be paying 20 million a month per corp member. I know some forum muppet is probably going to post here and try to explain to me how 20 million a month is "nothing" in 0.0 which brings me to the point on why these "tax noob corps" threads are stupid. The insane amounts of isk the 0.0 corp players can make in 0.0 ARE the main reward for being in such a corp. Meanwhile, the noob s who just joined the game or even the two year vets who simply don't want to leave the noob corps are shackled by low paying agents, crappy asteroids and no real way to make the insane isk you can in 0.0. {Save for maybe trading but you need isk to make isk in trading} So how can you actually justify taxing noob corps? Not to mention from CCP's perspective, it would be business suicide. No new players would play this game if they made so little isk in the noob portion of the game. When a faction module starts at 25-35 million on an auction contract and I read some pre schooler ranting about taxing noobs up the rear end, it just makes me laugh at the entire situation. Everytime i see one of those "tax the noobs" threads, it just makes me glad I never left the Noob corp because do i really want to be playing this game with people with such a moronic and self centered mindset? BoB only charge 20m a month? Where do I sign up. I believe our pricing plan is 300mil per week per corp. So it would probably benefit people to join a bigger slave corp since the expense is more stretched out in bigger corps.
Samirol OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.05 02:19:00 - [16] the people saying that dont have any respect for other's playstyles I buy insane sigs, mail me ingame.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.05 06:49:00 - [17] LOL.. So in addition to the standard corp tax the members also have to pay up to 20 mil each per month just to say they are in BoB? WTF is wrong with that equation.. The CEO's must be RL CEO's to have the morals (or lack of.. :-P ) to get away with theft on that scale.. /me <3 Imperial Academy.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.05 07:11:00 - [18] Edited by: Plutoinum on 05/02/2007 07:08:02 Originally by: Hasak Rain So basically what they are saying is EVERYONE'S options should be: A) Stay in the Noob corp and pay some outragous tax rate such as 30% B) Join a 0.0 player corp and pay 20 million isk a month for the privledge of being BoB's little pets. Ok, besides that its bullox, where is option C like being a member of one of the hundreds other player corps that have nothing to do with BoB. I mean those are the majority. ______________ Originally by: Patch86 Combat in EVE is non-consensual. Unlike most games, EVE, by design, forces you to be ready for violence everywhere-even hi-sec space.
tiewan	Posted - 2007.02.05 08:18:00 - [19] I stand up to Bob every single day.. no problem
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.02.05 08:21:00 - [20] More people forced into player corps ia a good thing. Wont be bob's ***es, they actually dont have a whole lot of numbers. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever**
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.02.05 08:24:00 - [21] 30% tax rate to all players older than 6mo's would be AWESOME. Force people into player run corps, and add to the number players...cause frankly, SWA members arent actually players, just scenery to the rest of the EVE population. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
Lexus666 Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.02.05 08:47:00 - [22] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg 30% tax rate to all players older than 6mo's would be AWESOME. Force people into player run corps, and add to the number players...cause frankly, SWA members arent actually players, just scenery to the rest of the EVE population. Aren't actually players, get over yourself I'm as much a player as you. Again, I say my money is as good to CCPs as yours is. If this did happen it would be another sign of CCP giving into PvP whiners (WCS nerf and Logoff timer anyone?) It's players like you who put me off the MM part of this game because quite frankly I can't be arsed with you!..
Sinder Ohm Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.05 08:50:00 - [23] 1. Bob are NOT going to take over the whole of 0.0 ! I grow tired of these "oh nooes the sky is falling BOB are godlike, grab your tinfoil hats" attitudes. 2. Fact is many older players abuse the imunity you get in noob corps, this should be stopped. Perhaps enforcing 20% tax after the pod pilot has reached 6 months of age. Originally by: Blind Man okies so liek when u warp in on them u shod target them... and stuff k.then u FIRE ZE MISSILES
Sinder Ohm Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.05 08:58:00 - [24] Originally by: Lexus666 Originally by: Haniblecter Teg 30% tax rate to all players older than 6mo's would be AWESOME. Force people into player run corps, and add to the number players...cause frankly, SWA members arent actually players, just scenery to the rest of the EVE population. Aren't actually players, get over yourself I'm as much a player as you. Again, I say my money is as good to CCPs as yours is. If this did happen it would be another sign of CCP giving into PvP whiners (WCS nerf and Logoff timer anyone?) It's players like you who put me off the MM part of this game because quite frankly I can't be arsed with you!.. I would like to interject here.... I must partly agree with lexus mate. People in noob corps contribute nothing to the eve universe, they in no way influence the game in any way eg: they dont have any influence on EVE politics, the eve map, and very little on the market (since noob corps have no common goal its everyone for himself) although I am not saying u arent a player and ur monthly fee doenst count any less than mine. If you understand what I mean. Originally by: Blind Man okies so liek when u warp in on them u shod target them... and stuff k.then u FIRE ZE MISSILES
Blue Pixie	Posted - 2007.02.05 09:06:00 - [25] So people who don't want to be wardec'd are cowards, and people who don't want to be Concord'd are what... internet tough guys? NPC corps only provide 'protection' in high security systems. And that does not afford a player total immunity from having his ship destroyed or even from being podded by a determined opponent. You can attack and defeat an NPC corp player ù even in high security space. Some people just don't want to suffer any consequences for it.
Nyack GREY COUNCIL Breidablik	Posted - 2007.02.05 09:36:00 - [26] being a ceo my self got a few pointers... there is an inbalance for smaller empire based corps if they want to recruit. as someone pointed out not every corp is living in 0,0 acutally only a fraction of the corps do. most are empire based mission running corps, traders etc. for these corps to function for rents porduction etc they have to have a corp tax. now these corps will have a dissadvantage from teh start cause they can be war dec and most small mission running corps cant survive that.so that leaves no motivation at all for npc corpers to actually leave the npc corp cause there they have no tax at all and immunity.. that is simply not balanced or fair for the emprie based corps. the big 0,0 corps coudlnt care less if the npc corps were taxed or not.. it would even be a threat if they were cause then there might be more factions growing up in empire.. when my corp started up 3 or so years ago we started as a small mission running corp. we haev evolved since then and are now part of the 0,0 politcs and fights. if we had teh corp tax thingy and no tax on npc corp back then our corp would have had a very hard time to evolve. remember npc corps are ment to be safe havens between wars and for noobs to start up in. it is not ment to be a tax free mission corp.. i think ccp would loose even more subscribers with no tax cause then fewer people would branch out and explore past the noob corp.
Jaseon	Posted - 2007.02.05 09:42:00 - [27] my personal beliefe is that peopel that stick around in npc corps for months years and only runs mission is people with very low self asteem. they want to be that big guy on the schoolyard the little kids see up to.. the npc corp channel often has "ooh dude you got a battleship wow" "ooh thank did you give me 5m wow".. they know in the npc corps they can be gods that the noobs look up to but if they leave the npc corps they are nobodies and actually have to work to get a good reputation and achieve stuff just not fly a pimped cnr and petition every time lag kills it..
Max Godsnottlingson Amarr Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2007.02.05 09:49:00 - [28] The first point is only something that is being pushed for by high sec gankers, I won't call them PvPers because most of them don't how to kill anything other then a hauler which can't fight back. Most of these are of the same brat mentality that spoils many on-line games, they have no interest in playing fair, or playing a good game. At the very least they are simply ignorant and/or stupid not to be able to comprehend that some people play eve but don't want PvP. You'll see them put up a lot of sorry arguments for their weak and sorry style of play. "Eve is a none consensual PvP game." Yes it is, you have low sec and 0.0 to fight in. Oh! But no, that means risking getting shot back at. "We're teaching those fat lazy Empire trader/miner/whatever a lesson." Yeah! Lazy! Talk about hypocritical. Some poor shumck looses a weeks hard work to a bunch of lazy so and so's who spend an hour parked on a high sec gate suicide camping, and as to the second point. So long as nobody is cheating who the hell are they to dictate how anybody plays their game? 'There's no place safe in Eve' Again true. But it's ironic that my Corp mates take a week out in 0.0 for a quiet and relaxing week of R&R. People who stay in NPC corps are not the problem, the problem is the sad and sorry crew who like to adopt a school yard bully approach to playing Eve by hanging in High sec picking on targets that they know cannot fight back, and to make it worse do so by hiding behind every technicallity in the game. While I will hold short of calling them exploiters they are the very least poor sportsmen who don't have the skills to play the game as it is intended.
Lexus666 Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.02.05 10:47:00 - [29] Originally by: Jaseon my personal beliefe is that peopel that stick around in npc corps for months years and only runs mission is people with very low self asteem. they want to be that big guy on the schoolyard the little kids see up to.. the npc corp channel often has "ooh dude you got a battleship wow" "ooh thank did you give me 5m wow".. they know in the npc corps they can be gods that the noobs look up to but if they leave the npc corps they are nobodies and actually have to work to get a good reputation and achieve stuff just not fly a pimped cnr and petition every time lag kills it.. My personal beliefs are: 1) Get a dictionary 'whatever crap you speak' to English, they're not expensive. 2) Capital letters and punctuation are your friends. 3) Low esteem my arse, just can't be bothered with idiots like you, whoever you are if this is an alt. 4) The alternatives are sometimes a bit crap - from the recruitment channel; a) I saw a corp with a tax rate of 75%, b) Corps bragging of 0.0 Access (usually 5 man corp or something equally tedious), c) Huge joining fees or monthly fees for 0.0 access. 5) Think before you type, people rarely speak like that in corp chat (although I never pay that much attention). 6) Come to think of it just unplug your ******* keyboard.
Nerf Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.05 11:10:00 - [30] Originally by: Lexus666 Originally by: Jaseon my personal beliefe is that peopel that stick around in npc corps for months years and only runs mission is people with very low self asteem. they want to be that big guy on the schoolyard the little kids see up to.. the npc corp channel often has "ooh dude you got a battleship wow" "ooh thank did you give me 5m wow".. they know in the npc corps they can be gods that the noobs look up to but if they leave the npc corps they are nobodies and actually have to work to get a good reputation and achieve stuff just not fly a pimped cnr and petition every time lag kills it.. My personal beliefs are: 1) Get a dictionary 'whatever crap you speak' to English, they're not expensive. 2) Capital letters and punctuation are your friends. 3) Low esteem my arse, just can't be bothered with idiots like you, whoever you are if this is an alt. 4) The alternatives are sometimes a bit crap - from the recruitment channel; a) I saw a corp with a tax rate of 75%, b) Corps bragging of 0.0 Access (usually 5 man corp or something equally tedious), c) Huge joining fees or monthly fees for 0.0 access. 5) Think before you type, people rarely speak like that in corp chat (although I never pay that much attention). 6) Come to think of it just unplug your ******* keyboard. Win. To be honest, though, I would never, ever join a corp with a joining fee or monthly fee of any sort, or a tax rate as absurd as that. There are plenty of good corps out there, I'm not going to waste my time on anything like that.
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas	Posted - 2007.02.05 12:15:00 - [31] So no one has the guts to stand up to BoB? Wow seems to me there are thousands of players fighting BoB 23/7. OP get a clue...One does not need a war to fight in 0.0..... People DONT want to be in your stupid corp... Where is this BoB's little pets comming from? Now as to haveing Taxe's in the noob corps...Why? Why be forced to be in a corp at all? Instead of some stupid corp name, why cant we be "Freelancers" like the 'original' boxed game suggested we could? Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Jaseon	Posted - 2007.02.05 13:02:00 - [32] Originally by: Lexus666 Originally by: Jaseon my personal beliefe is that peopel that stick around in npc corps for months years and only runs mission is people with very low self asteem. they want to be that big guy on the schoolyard the little kids see up to.. the npc corp channel often has "ooh dude you got a battleship wow" "ooh thank did you give me 5m wow".. they know in the npc corps they can be gods that the noobs look up to but if they leave the npc corps they are nobodies and actually have to work to get a good reputation and achieve stuff just not fly a pimped cnr and petition every time lag kills it.. My personal beliefs are: 1) Get a dictionary 'whatever crap you speak' to English, they're not expensive. 2) Capital letters and punctuation are your friends. 3) Low esteem my arse, just can't be bothered with idiots like you, whoever you are if this is an alt. 4) The alternatives are sometimes a bit crap - from the recruitment channel; a) I saw a corp with a tax rate of 75%, b) Corps bragging of 0.0 Access (usually 5 man corp or something equally tedious), c) Huge joining fees or monthly fees for 0.0 access. 5) Think before you type, people rarely speak like that in corp chat (although I never pay that much attention). 6) Come to think of it just unplug your ******* keyboard. Some really good arguements you got there friend... ooh beware of the ebil english teacher.. seems I hit a softspot.. You might want to get out of your little sandbox, most or even all corps that function out in 0,0 do not have any type of entry fee or monthly fee for members. If you are in a corp that has it, you might want to consider leaving it, cause you are being ripped off. True a few corps pay rents or fee but that is as a corp, not as individual pilots and that fee is nominal if you devide it by members. Most corps living in 0,0 have earned their spot in one way or the other. and ooh lex can i hire you as spell check for my posts in the future?
Strange Guy	Posted - 2007.02.05 13:23:00 - [33] NPC corp mission running zombies points: 1. "The minute I leave and join a player corp I'll be war decced!" Thats a load of crap, you would have to be very unlucky to have that happen. Besides, a swarm of T1 frigates if a pain in any griefers side. 2. "All player corps are evil, they will tax my phat mission running iskies!" Ohnoes, you will be pulling in around 90m isk a night instead of 100m isk! 3. "Every player corp is a BoB slave!" Keep telling yourself that, and buy some T2 foil hats. 4. "I am anti-social!" Well, maybe you should be playing a single player game then. 5. "I pay, I can play this game anyway I want!" Then by that, macro mining is ok! 6. "I have friends in the npc corp, I don't want to leave them!" Form a corp and invite them. No wait, you will be instantly war decced! The only way you would be instantly war decced is if you did something stupid in the NPC corp, and ****ed off a player corp. What I don't get is why you keep playing, if all you will ever do is run missions, you can only go so far before you get the best mission running ship.
Logi3 Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.05 13:29:00 - [34] I agree a 25%-35% tax rate should be put into the NPC corps. Even saying that while im in one at present too :)
Valan	Posted - 2007.02.05 13:34:00 - [35] Edited by: Valan on 05/02/2007 13:32:54 If you attack a BoB pet corp in their own space they are likely to lose it. I don't think BoB defends corps that cannot defend their rented space. They will clear the tennant and the attackers and get a new corp in it that can defend it. Will a BoB pet faced with eviction join you and fight BoB when faced with rent they cannot pay or will they turn? You can't defend all your frontiers with blobs. The nature of the blob means its in one place. Insurrection and rebellion although most pets won't as its easier to pay BoB and fight the aggressor than fight BoB. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Softuhm Carresuhm	Posted - 2007.02.05 13:35:00 - [36] Originally by: Hasak Rain Let's face it. Before long, most if not all of 0.0 will be controlled by BoB because no one has the guts to stand up to them. Eventually, they will own it all and their slaves will all be paying 20 million a month per corp member. Fighting BoB is like fighting CCP.... (crapcrapcrap, where is my asbestos suit!)
Hamshoe	Posted - 2007.02.05 13:46:00 - [37] Originally by: Strange Guy What I don't get is why you keep playing,... Luckily, neither your understanding nor anyone else's is required. Kicked in the head by a horse, what's your excuse?
Grez Minmatar The Raven Warriors	Posted - 2007.02.05 13:51:00 - [38] Edited by: Grez on 05/02/2007 13:48:24 You shouldn't be allowed to join NPC corps, full stop bar from when you start EVE. To those who do not know what NPC means : Non-Player Character(s). That should pretty much spell it out right there. You should start off in an NPC-Noob corp, and after a few weeks, or a certain time period, you should be booted out with a nice little message saying you've progressed further than what they can teach you. CCP should then allow corps with members below a certain number, to declare war on single targets. Those of you who think this is unfair, should look-up what type of game EVE is, and get in some corp, or find/make some friends, and play/fight back with them. --- Cache Clearer
Harisdrop Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.05 13:53:00 - [39] read my links and you will know the truth. I have been preaching this for a long time. When we see the truth its is the truth. New NPC NPC Market
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.02.05 13:59:00 - [40] look at it this way CCP are looking for an ISK sink and whats the biggest inflation is risk free missio nrunning and all mission rewards are now ISK so why not swing the nerf back if u have been in noob corp longer than 3 months every 3 months thereafter u are raised 20% corp up to 1 year and a half with 100% on missions and reward kills ( bounties) over 35k THis will give new players the ability to learn up but not be hit with tax straight away but as they remain in noob corps longer tax goes up now the otehr thing factional warfare NPC corps will not be affeted as they will be able to be shot on sight anyway so thats sepeerate but for empire protection from an RP viewpoint as they learn more protected players hould pay for said protection in empire from concord and empire and tax scales goe up accordingly
Cipher7 Acme Technologies Incorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.05 14:21:00 - [41] Let's get real here. Newb corps are just that. For newbs. We have players staying there for months abusing newb corps. Yes NPC corps should definitely be taxed, I think a rate of %40 is appropriate. Hurry up and join something Logi.
Taedrin Gallente Mercatoris Technologies	Posted - 2007.02.05 14:54:00 - [42] IMO, it is a bad thing to allow people a blanket of invulnerability. But on the other hand, it is a bad thing to allow lazy people to wardec a bunch of n00bs who not only don't know how to fight back, but don't have the resources. I can think of a few possible alternatives to outrageous tax rates or allowing people to wardec n00b corps: 1) Characters are only allowed in a n00b corp for a few months. After this time has been spent, there are a few ideas that I have to get them into a player corp. ----1a) Corporations have the ability to mark them selves as willing to accept any player, whatsoever. Characters who reach the time limit in the n00b corp are automatically placed into a random player corp who accepts any players whatsoever. ----1b) Characters who reach the time limit are "fired" by their n00b corp and placed in a pirate NPC corp. These characters are not protected by CONCORD, hence they have a strong incentive to join a player corp. Or some other serious drawback to being in this corp, perhaps empire agents refuse to speak to you/can not dock at empire stations, etc etc... 2) While in a n00b corp, characters may only fly certain ships. This idea is the same behind the restrictions placed on trial characters. A n00b corp character may only fly frigates, destroyers and cruisers, essentially limiting n00bs to running level 2 missions. Perhaps allow them to fly battlecruisers. MAYBE allow them to use haulers, though this would promote players to evade war decs by using n00b corp alts to haul their stuff to/from Jita. On the other hand, something would definately have to be done about war deccing corps. At the moment, they are able to take advantage of a players lack of PvP experience. Perhaps make it so that a corp have to pay more money based on how many characters are in their corp. Say perhaps 10 million base war deccing fee, and then an extra 1 million ISK per corp member in the aggressors corp?
Vladikov Orrico	Posted - 2007.02.05 15:35:00 - [43] Cut and pasted from similar thread I replied to. Simple solution.... Make Noob Corp tax directly related to your SP total. Every 2 Mil it goes up 5%. For the first 2 mil SP there is no tax....allows the noobs to train up enough to get out there and into the game. Players with 10mil SP would be paying 25% tax. Players with 20mil SP would be paying 50% tax. etc etc. This would ensure that, while being fair the starting player, that older players will be progressivly driven to look for player corps and alliances.
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.05 15:42:00 - [44] Originally by: Vladikov Orrico Cut and pasted from similar thread I replied to. Simple solution.... Make Noob Corp tax directly related to your SP total. Every 2 Mil it goes up 5%. For the first 2 mil SP there is no tax....allows the noobs to train up enough to get out there and into the game. Players with 10mil SP would be paying 25% tax. Players with 20mil SP would be paying 50% tax. etc etc. This would ensure that, while being fair the starting player, that older players will be progressivly driven to look for player corps and alliances. This is actually a sensible suggestion I love NPC corporations. I learnt a lot about the game in my first few months in an NPC corp, and I wouldn't change that. However, a lot of people abuse this. An idea I just thought of: How about pilots remain in their starter corporation until they hit a certain skillpoint total. At that point they are 'recommended' to another corporation in the same race, based upon their SP balance (industry to Caldari Provisions, combat to Caldari Navy, researchers to Lai Dai, etc). Once they are in these corporations, there is a tax. What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.05 16:35:00 - [45] Edited by: Hasak Rain on 05/02/2007 16:31:56 Okay, here is why I think we will never see a noob corp tax in this game no matter how much you preschoolers want one implemented. A) It puts the true noobs in a big hole right off the bat. How would you like to come off of a trial acct and find out that you are being taxed 30% on everything that you do? Between skill books, your first decent ship, the learning curve of the game, training times to become decent in anything AND a 30% tax on top of that, new players just aren't going to deal with it and will go play WoW or something else where they aren't in a gaping hole the minute they start playing. The Noob corps are in the game to help the noobs get their feet wet. They will never see the heavy tax that some forum muppets want put in. B) Empire is already a poor choice to make isk. Until you become an expert mission runner, you aren't going to make that much. Even mining in Empire brings mediocre returns. Same goes for ratting in 1.0-0.5 systems. C) Forcing people out of corps goes against the spirit of the game. EvE is suppose to be a big sand box. People are suppose to have choices....not have choices shoved down their throats. D) Subscriptions, subscriptions subscriptions. Kiss them goodbye if you force a tax as people will get fed up and quit. There are quite a few mission runners in noob corps who want to do only that. Taxing them 30% {or whatever} means they all quit the game. Maybe you wouldn't care but I bet CCP does. So there you have it. Four pretty solid reasons why you won't see a noob corp tax in your lifetime. Keep crying though because it is amusing.
Kryss Darkdust	Posted - 2007.02.05 16:38:00 - [46] Edited by: Kryss Darkdust on 05/02/2007 16:34:43 Originally by: Hasak Rain So basically what they are saying is EVERYONE'S options should be: A) Stay in the Noob corp and pay some outragous tax rate such as 30% B) Join a 0.0 player corp and pay 20 million isk a month for the privledge of being BoB's little pets. Let's face it. Before long, most if not all of 0.0 will be controlled by BoB because no one has the guts to stand up to them. Eventually, they will own it all and their slaves will all be paying 20 million a month per corp member. I know some forum muppet is probably going to post here and try to explain to me how 20 million a month is "nothing" in 0.0 which brings me to the point on why these "tax noob corps" threads are stupid. The insane amounts of isk the 0.0 corp players can make in 0.0 ARE the main reward for being in such a corp. Meanwhile, the noob s who just joined the game or even the two year vets who simply don't want to leave the noob corps are shackled by low paying agents, crappy asteroids and no real way to make the insane isk you can in 0.0. {Save for maybe trading but you need isk to make isk in trading} So how can you actually justify taxing noob corps? Not to mention from CCP's perspective, it would be business suicide. No new players would play this game if they made so little isk in the noob portion of the game. When a faction module starts at 25-35 million on an auction contract and I read some pre schooler ranting about taxing noobs up the rear end, it just makes me laugh at the entire situation. Everytime i see one of those "tax the noobs" threads, it just makes me glad I never left the Noob corp because do i really want to be playing this game with people with such a moronic and self centered mindset? Don't take this personaly bud but you give Bob waaaay to much credit. They are a good and very strong alliance, but they aren't invincible. My corp has killed Bob plenty and their is absolutly nothing special about them. They are just like everyone else. Are you are gamer? www.playhardliveeasy.blogspot.com
Vladikov Orrico	Posted - 2007.02.05 16:39:00 - [47] If you read the post 2 above yours you will see I have come up a way to integrate a rising corp tax so that the large tax fees are not dumped on new players all at once. I think it works rather well...
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.05 16:44:00 - [48] Edited by: Hasak Rain on 05/02/2007 16:41:36 Originally by: Sinder Ohm 1. Bob are NOT going to take over the whole of 0.0 ! I grow tired of these "oh nooes the sky is falling BOB are godlike, grab your tinfoil hats" attitudes. 2. Fact is many older players abuse the imunity you get in noob corps, this should be stopped. Perhaps enforcing 20% tax after the pod pilot has reached 6 months of age. 1) I am glad you can tell the future and know how much space BoB will eventually take over. However, i don't see too many alliances who can take them. It is getting pretty close to a point where they can take just about whatever they want to and their worst enemy and challenge is going to be themselves. All i know is every time they take out an alliance, more and more slave corps are created and that was my point. I personally don't care how much space BoB takes. I was just using them in my original point so spare me your huffing and puffing. 2) Who cares if they abuse it? There are a lot of things in this game which are abused. Many flawed mechanics because this game cannot be perfect and cater to everyone's whim. I think you just need to get over it and worry about yourself instead of what a handful of vets are doing in a noob corp.
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.05 16:50:00 - [49] Edited by: Hasak Rain on 05/02/2007 16:47:59 Edited by: Hasak Rain on 05/02/2007 16:47:20 Originally by: Vladikov Orrico Cut and pasted from similar thread I replied to. Simple solution.... Make Noob Corp tax directly related to your SP total. Every 2 Mil it goes up 5%. For the first 2 mil SP there is no tax....allows the noobs to train up enough to get out there and into the game. Players with 10mil SP would be paying 25% tax. Players with 20mil SP would be paying 50% tax. etc etc. This would ensure that, while being fair the starting player, that older players will be progressivly driven to look for player corps and alliances. So say I want to be an Empire miner and I am getting taxed 5% every 2 million SPs. That means by the time I am in a Covotor and have decent mining and hauling skills, i am paying out the rear end in taxes. Why not just delete all the Empire astoroid belts too while you are at it since no one is going to deal with that? Sure I could join an Empire mining corp but why should I be forced to do anything? I thought this was "the great sandbox?"
Zeno Kang Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.02.05 16:51:00 - [50] Originally by: Vladikov Orrico If you read the post 2 above yours you will see I have come up a way to integrate a rising corp tax so that the large tax fees are not dumped on new players all at once. I think it works rather well... What "problem" does your "solution" allegedly fix? -- Move every sig for great justice.
CHAOS100 Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.05 16:54:00 - [51] Wow I don't see what the big deal is. If you want to be alone and do your thing, make your own personal corp for 2 mil ffs. It is not difficult. I don't know anyone who would bother war deccing a 1 - 2 man corp. Even if they do just quit and make a new one. IF you want to talk to a bunch of noobs and alts similar to the noob corp channel, simply join an empire corp that is fairly new. --------------
WredStorm Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2007.02.05 16:57:00 - [52] Originally by: Sinder Ohm 1. Bob are NOT going to take over the whole of 0.0 ! I grow tired of these "oh nooes the sky is falling BOB are godlike, grab your tinfoil hats" attitudes. 2. Fact is many older players abuse the imunity you get in noob corps, this should be stopped. Perhaps enforcing 20% tax after the pod pilot has reached 6 months of age. Ah, so the fact that some older players "abuse the immunity" is grounds for penalizing all 6+ month old players in NPC corps? Puhleez! And how exactly is anyone able to "abuse the immunity" of being in an NPC corp? Are they smacktalking you and you're upset that you can't pod them for it? Ooooohhhh noooooo, the pain of being ridiculed by someone and not being able to retaliate! I suppose the next step would be that anyone posting in the forums has to reveal their real name and address and agree not to press charges if you want to beat them up for making fun of you in the forums? Quit trying to impose your own view of what others "should" be doing or not doing in this game and just let people play how they want. If they want to stay in an NPC corp then too bad if that doesn't meet with your approval... get used to it, when you grow up a bit and face the real world you're likely going to find that not everything works the way you think it should either. If you can't deal with it here in a game then you're going to be really disappointed in real life. Wred
Elmicker Unscoped Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.05 17:03:00 - [53] I love that idea of a rising tax. I was recently chatting to a noob corpie and heard that he made 90mil an hour running empire missions with a pair of 50mil SP toons, one in an amarr command ship and one in a CNR. That's 90,000,000 every single hour. Even at a mere 2 hours a day, that's 1.2bil every single week, that's 65billion isk a year. That's an extremely good income for an alliance, never mind one mission runner, who, due to the fact they never leave highsec and the noob corp, can never die, and their only cost is their ammo. That's no risk, with just about every reward going. That is unbalanced, and thus needs a nice nerf. The scaled tax system gives him a nice, high, tax, but gives joe noob a nice ride into the world of eve. as it should be.
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.05 17:05:00 - [54] Originally by: CHAOS100 Wow I don't see what the big deal is. If you want to be alone and do your thing, make your own personal corp for 2 mil ffs. It is not difficult. I don't know anyone who would bother war deccing a 1 - 2 man corp. Even if they do just quit and make a new one. IF you want to talk to a bunch of noobs and alts similar to the noob corp channel, simply join an empire corp that is fairly new. Or... i could just stay in the noob corp and not worry about it either way because I CHOOSE to. You tards just don't get it. This game is about choices for all, not what a few whiners on the forum THINK should be put in because it suits them. Remember, EvE is a harsh, cruel game. Part of the harshness comes from the reality that you can't war dec some guy in an Empire corp and you might have to catch him when he is in low or 0.0 sec. {gasp} I know that takes time and work though so you just want CCP to "fix" that game mechanic for you so you can gank them easier. Cry me a river.
Jasmine Yin	Posted - 2007.02.05 17:12:00 - [55] Those saying that ppl should be forced to join player corps, even to the point of being randomly placed in a corp: think a moment about what the repurcussions would be. How would you feel if some random person was put in your corp? You don't know him... he could do just about anything to you. As you pointed out, the NPC and newb corps don't just have low skill point numbers on them.. some of them have a lot, might be spies, have already set affiliations in the game. How would you ever trust a random player joining your corp? I can foresee that such a system would be severely abused and would make everyone miserable, exponentially increasing whines on these boards. As a game that claims to support any type of playstyle and self-interest what is wrong with staying in an NPC corp? You can still shoot us to pieces in NPC corps... nothing to stop that. It's not like you're blocked from targetting us. So what if you can't war dec... just shoot anyway! Or are you too scared to get CONCORDed. Not all of us stay in Empire space. It's not like we have a WoW Paladin style of absorption bubble around us when we go into low sec. I have been looking for a corp for several months now, but nothing so far has interested me or inspired me to try to hurry out of the NPC corp. I've joined the corp recruitment channel, looked on here at the recruitment boards, yadda yadda. I am not going to rush into a player corp because someone wants me to. I want to find the right corp in which I can enjoy the time I've paid for in EvE. And no, we shouldn't pay tax because there are no shares and no higher ranking roles for players. There are a ton of disadvatages to being in a newb/NPC corp: the only advantage is being un wardeclarable. We pay for nothing and get nothing out of these corps. And to those smaller corps in Empire space, if you're failing, then there are going to be many reasons for that failure, not because ppl are 'hiding' in NPC corps. You have to try to attract us. There has to be a carrot on a stick to get players to join a corp in the first place: promise/advantage/profit/desire. It could be anything from trying to make a huge amount of ISKs, catering to casual players, having a huge amount of fun together, offering safety during mining missions in low sec. Whatever... The day I am taxed even 1% for being in the default corp because some whiny crybaby doesn't want to risk his ship shooting at me in high sec is the day I leave EvE. I've seen a lot of ridiculous whines, but this one tops it.
Neon Genesis Gallente Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.02.05 17:17:00 - [56] Well this thread is full of dead end opinions and derails. Hasak, you need to lurk far more in this forum, as your threads consistently show lack of basic knowledge of the game and contribute very little.
Fifth Symphony	Posted - 2007.02.05 17:18:00 - [57] Originally by: Jennifer Meek The day BOB holds every bit of 0.0 space is the day everyone gets along in peace & love and happiness. I agree. I don't think BoB is really interested in subjugating eve, just destroying it.
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.05 17:31:00 - [58] Originally by: Vladikov Orrico Quote: What "problem" does your "solution" allegedly fix? How to ease newbies from a free noob corp into a "corp tax" anvironment without dumping a full tax on them all at once or from the first day they start their character... what problem did you think? Vlad, i respect your idea even though i don't agree with it. Read my post about the potential recruitment process problems that forcing players out of the NPC corps can create when they have no other option but to join a player corp and tell me how THAT can be avoided. Because it would have to be solved before your idea would even be considered.
Neon Genesis Gallente Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.02.05 17:32:00 - [59] Edited by: Neon Genesis on 05/02/2007 17:30:12 Originally by: Hasak Rain Originally by: Neon Genesis Well this thread is full of dead end opinions and derails. Hasak, you need to lurk far more in this forum, as your threads consistently show lack of basic knowledge of the game and contribute very little. Thanks for YOUR insightful contribution. I learned a lot from your post. You not only put me in my place but taught me all about the game. You can now return back to the rock you live under. Your job is finsihed. If you will recall correctly, we had quite an informative little back and forth a while ago in one of your other threads. I'm not a troll by any stretch, and my job certainly isn't finished. I'm being completely serious, your posts sound like those of a young player. If you really want I can completely pick apart every detail of the OP?
Fswd	Posted - 2007.02.05 17:32:00 - [60] OH GASP Maybe some ppl don't care about BoB's activities. They too can play the game as they want. /me puts his damage control II, N-type thermal hardener II AND Heat Dissipation Field II on.
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.05 17:37:00 - [61] Originally by: Neon Genesis Originally by: Hasak Rain Originally by: Neon Genesis Well this thread is full of dead end opinions and derails. Hasak, you need to lurk far more in this forum, as your threads consistently show lack of basic knowledge of the game and contribute very little. Thanks for YOUR insightful contribution. I learned a lot from your post. You not only put me in my place but taught me all about the game. You can now return back to the rock you live under. Your job is finsihed. If you will recall correctly, we had quite an informative little back and forth a while ago in one of your other threads. I'm not a troll by any stretch, and my job certainly isn't finished. I'm being completely serious, I think you should lurk more before making posts. If you really want I can completely pick apart every detail of the OP? Nope I don't remember you or anything you said or what the post was about. Not to sound obtuse but you guys are all the same to me and I don't "take names" when I debate on the forums because I don't take anything personally or care what some guy I never met in person thinks about me. As far as "lurking" into my past threads, I do know that half my threads are bait threads to get a rise out of people but also, to start a serious conversation about importaint topics that people feel strongly about. I rarely give my true views of the game though until the end. However, i do think taxing noob corps is a stupid idea for many reasons which I listed.
Neon Genesis Gallente Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.02.05 17:40:00 - [62] Originally by: Hasak Rain Originally by: Neon Genesis Originally by: Hasak Rain Originally by: Neon Genesis Well this thread is full of dead end opinions and derails. Hasak, you need to lurk far more in this forum, as your threads consistently show lack of basic knowledge of the game and contribute very little. Thanks for YOUR insightful contribution. I learned a lot from your post. You not only put me in my place but taught me all about the game. You can now return back to the rock you live under. Your job is finsihed. If you will recall correctly, we had quite an informative little back and forth a while ago in one of your other threads. I'm not a troll by any stretch, and my job certainly isn't finished. I'm being completely serious, I think you should lurk more before making posts. If you really want I can completely pick apart every detail of the OP? I do know that half my threads are bait threads to get a rise out of people but also, to start a serious conversation about importaint topics that people feel strongly about. I rarely give my true views of the game though until the end. Then you deserve absolutely no attention or credibility and should by all rights be banned.
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.05 17:46:00 - [63] Edited by: Hasak Rain on 05/02/2007 17:43:29 Originally by: Neon Genesis Originally by: Hasak Rain Originally by: Neon Genesis Originally by: Hasak Rain Originally by: Neon Genesis Well this thread is full of dead end opinions and derails. Hasak, you need to lurk far more in this forum, as your threads consistently show lack of basic knowledge of the game and contribute very little. Thanks for YOUR insightful contribution. I learned a lot from your post. You not only put me in my place but taught me all about the game. You can now return back to the rock you live under. Your job is finsihed. If you will recall correctly, we had quite an informative little back and forth a while ago in one of your other threads. I'm not a troll by any stretch, and my job certainly isn't finished. I'm being completely serious, I think you should lurk more before making posts. If you really want I can completely pick apart every detail of the OP? I do know that half my threads are bait threads to get a rise out of people but also, to start a serious conversation about importaint topics that people feel strongly about. I rarely give my true views of the game though until the end. Then you deserve absolutely no attention or credibility and should by all rights be banned. You are free to leave my thread at any time. You seem pretty narrow minded anyway so I don't really care to hear your opinions and I am sure it will be a great loss to the community to be deprived of your wisdom Not sure why I should be banned though......lol I guess I am not allowed to talk about game mechanics? Just because I throw different views around, some of which aren't my personal views doesn't mean I am breaking forum rules.
Zeno Kang Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.02.05 17:48:00 - [64] Originally by: Vladikov Orrico Quote: What "problem" does your "solution" allegedly fix? How to ease newbies from a free noob corp into a "corp tax" anvironment without dumping a full tax on them all at once or from the first day they start their character... what problem did you think? You assume incorrectly that staying in a "free noob corp" is a problem of some sort. -- Originally by: Blue Pixie Not wanting to get wardec'd = n00b Not wanting to get Concord'd = 1337
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.02.05 17:50:00 - [65] Originally by: Hasak Rain You are free to leave my thread at any time. You seem pretty narrow minded anyway so I don't really care to hear your opinions and I am sure it will be a great loss to the community to be deprived of your wisdom Not sure why I should be banned though......lol I guess I am not allowed to talk about game mechanics? Just because I throw different views around, some of which aren't my personal views doesn't mean I am breaking forum rules. I think the reason you should be banned is that you, by your own words, strat bait threads, and that you insult people in each and every post you make. /Ki Haven't got one yet?
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.05 17:58:00 - [66] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Hasak Rain You are free to leave my thread at any time. You seem pretty narrow minded anyway so I don't really care to hear your opinions and I am sure it will be a great loss to the community to be deprived of your wisdom Not sure why I should be banned though......lol I guess I am not allowed to talk about game mechanics? Just because I throw different views around, some of which aren't my personal views doesn't mean I am breaking forum rules. I think the reason you should be banned is that you, by your own words, strat bait threads, and that you insult people in each and every post you make. /Ki Define bait thread... I even said that my "bait threads" also spur a lot of discussion on important topics. Sure it does amuse me when the forum warriors come out of the woodwork to huff and puff but I also take the discussions I participate in seriously and even though I might irritate people. at least I get the posters thinking and discussing topics a bit. I like to think of myself as one of those Talk Radio hosts who throw topics out there and get people talking. But yes sir!!....ban whoever YOU don't like because YOU say so. Lets force EVERYONE into a player corp too!! Anything else you want to force your will upon?
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.02.05 18:06:00 - [67] Originally by: Hasak Rain As far as "lurking" into my past threads, I do know that half my threads are bait threads to get a rise out of people but also, to start a serious conversation about importaint topics that people feel strongly about. I rarely give my true views of the game though until the end. Originally by: thead title The tater tots saying noob corps must be taxed I think you defined a bait thread pretty well there yourself. Also notice that even the thread title is an insult. Originally by: forum rules Be respectful of others at all times. Personal attacks are prohibited. Trolling is prohibited. Post constructively. All these are grounds for you to have your posting privilages removed. Not up to me though, but you can only stay out of the mod's scope for so long. /Ki Haven't got one yet?
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.02.05 18:06:00 - [68] Originally by: Hasak Rain As far as "lurking" into my past threads, I do know that half my threads are bait threads to get a rise out of people but also, to start a serious conversation about importaint topics that people feel strongly about. I rarely give my true views of the game though until the end. Originally by: thead title The tater tots saying noob corps must be taxed I think you defined a bait thread pretty well there yourself. Also notice that even the thread title is an insult. Originally by: forum rules Be respectful of others at all times. Personal attacks are prohibited. Trolling is prohibited. Post constructively. All these are grounds for you to have your posting privilages removed. Not up to me though, but you can only stay out of the mod's scope for so long. /Ki Haven't got one yet?
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.05 18:14:00 - [69] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Hasak Rain As far as "lurking" into my past threads, I do know that half my threads are bait threads to get a rise out of people but also, to start a serious conversation about importaint topics that people feel strongly about. I rarely give my true views of the game though until the end. Originally by: thead title The tater tots saying noob corps must be taxed I think you defined a bait thread pretty well there yourself. Also notice that even the thread title is an insult. Originally by: forum rules Be respectful of others at all times. Personal attacks are prohibited. Trolling is prohibited. Post constructively. All these are grounds for you to have your posting privilages removed. Not up to me though, but you can only stay out of the mod's scope for so long. /Ki This thread is about a day old and as far as I know, has been on the first page of the most active forum almost the whole time. Just a wild guess but I think the Mods have seen it already. I didn't cuss at anyone so I am not sure what your problem is except that you feel that anyone who doesn't agree with your narrow minded views should be banned. I have news for you, if they ban me, they are going to have to ban a lot of other people in other threads because ive read much more insulting material and bad language coming from other people than anything I typed here.
Cupertino Castellum	Posted - 2007.02.05 18:14:00 - [70] I've posted constructive replies in these threads before, attempting to explain how much better Eve would be if solo, independent players formed their own one-man corporations rather than staying in school and hiding from the realities and responsibilities of Eve. I gave up doing this because when you try and have a sensible discussion about accountability in Eve you just get screamed at by uninformed people like Hasak Rain. They want everything exactly how they want it, or they'll cancel their accounts. They think that if they leave the noobcorp the rest of us will grief them out of the game. They want to participate in market competition, to clear plexes, to pvp, etc without any consequences. A couple of facts are obvious from the OP's post; Despite knowing very little about Eve, he holds the majority of the playerbase in contempt. He wants to play Eve exactly how he wants to play it in his own little bubble. He hasn't even read the suggestions made by other players to alleviate the problems caused by long-term noobcorp members before coming here and shouting his mouth off and calling the rest of us 'pre-schoolers' (oh the irony!). You have to ask yourself if people like this would be such a big loss to Eve if they did leave. Anyway, I hope people do keep up the fight to have the rules changed on long-term noobcorp membership. I won't be joining in unfortunately, as I personally can't be bothered to debate with people who are so selfish and ignorant.
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.05 18:14:00 - [71] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Hasak Rain As far as "lurking" into my past threads, I do know that half my threads are bait threads to get a rise out of people but also, to start a serious conversation about importaint topics that people feel strongly about. I rarely give my true views of the game though until the end. Originally by: thead title The tater tots saying noob corps must be taxed I think you defined a bait thread pretty well there yourself. Also notice that even the thread title is an insult. Originally by: forum rules Be respectful of others at all times. Personal attacks are prohibited. Trolling is prohibited. Post constructively. All these are grounds for you to have your posting privilages removed. Not up to me though, but you can only stay out of the mod's scope for so long. /Ki This thread is about a day old and as far as I know, has been on the first page of the most active forum almost the whole time. Just a wild guess but I think the Mods have seen it already. I didn't cuss at anyone so I am not sure what your problem is except that you feel that anyone who doesn't agree with your narrow minded views should be banned. I have news for you, if they ban me, they are going to have to ban a lot of other people in other threads because ive read much more insulting material and bad language coming from other people than anything I typed here.
Cupertino Castellum	Posted - 2007.02.05 18:14:00 - [72] I've posted constructive replies in these threads before, attempting to explain how much better Eve would be if solo, independent players formed their own one-man corporations rather than staying in school and hiding from the realities and responsibilities of Eve. I gave up doing this because when you try and have a sensible discussion about accountability in Eve you just get screamed at by uninformed people like Hasak Rain. They want everything exactly how they want it, or they'll cancel their accounts. They think that if they leave the noobcorp the rest of us will grief them out of the game. They want to participate in market competition, to clear plexes, to pvp, etc without any consequences. A couple of facts are obvious from the OP's post; Despite knowing very little about Eve, he holds the majority of the playerbase in contempt. He wants to play Eve exactly how he wants to play it in his own little bubble. He hasn't even read the suggestions made by other players to alleviate the problems caused by long-term noobcorp members before coming here and shouting his mouth off and calling the rest of us 'pre-schoolers' (oh the irony!). You have to ask yourself if people like this would be such a big loss to Eve if they did leave. Anyway, I hope people do keep up the fight to have the rules changed on long-term noobcorp membership. I won't be joining in unfortunately, as I personally can't be bothered to debate with people who are so selfish and ignorant.
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.02.05 18:19:00 - [73] Originally by: Hasak Rain This thread is about a day old and as far as I know, has been on the first page of the most active forum almost the whole time. Just a wild guess but I think the Mods have seen it already. Perhaps. Perhaps noone has petitioned it yet. Originally by: Hasak Rain I didn't cuss at anyone so I am not sure what your problem is except that you feel that anyone who doesn't agree with your narrow minded views should be banned. On the contrary, it is you who in several places in this thread has called people who don't agree with you names, and been generally immature and insulting. I don't feel you should be banned for your views, so don't try to make yourself into some sort of political martyr. I feel you should get a forum warning for your immature attitude and insulting language. But that's just me. Originally by: Hasak Rain I have news for you, if they ban me, they are going to have to ban a lot of other people in other threads because ive read much more insulting material and bad language coming from other people than anything I typed here. Petition those threads to the mods and they will certainly look into the matter. Thank you, have a nice day. /Ki Haven't got one yet?
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.02.05 18:19:00 - [74] Originally by: Hasak Rain This thread is about a day old and as far as I know, has been on the first page of the most active forum almost the whole time. Just a wild guess but I think the Mods have seen it already. Perhaps. Perhaps noone has petitioned it yet. Originally by: Hasak Rain I didn't cuss at anyone so I am not sure what your problem is except that you feel that anyone who doesn't agree with your narrow minded views should be banned. On the contrary, it is you who in several places in this thread has called people who don't agree with you names, and been generally immature and insulting. I don't feel you should be banned for your views, so don't try to make yourself into some sort of political martyr. I feel you should get a forum warning for your immature attitude and insulting language. But that's just me. Originally by: Hasak Rain I have news for you, if they ban me, they are going to have to ban a lot of other people in other threads because ive read much more insulting material and bad language coming from other people than anything I typed here. Petition those threads to the mods and they will certainly look into the matter. Thank you, have a nice day. /Ki Haven't got one yet?
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.05 18:28:00 - [75] Edited by: Hasak Rain on 05/02/2007 18:24:41 Originally by: Cupertino I've posted constructive replies in these threads before, attempting to explain how much better Eve would be if solo, independent players formed their own one-man corporations rather than staying in school and hiding from the realities and responsibilities of Eve. I gave up doing this because when you try and have a sensible discussion about accountability in Eve you just get screamed at by uninformed people like Hasak Rain. They want everything exactly how they want it, or they'll cancel their accounts. They think that if they leave the noobcorp the rest of us will grief them out of the game. They want to participate in market competition, to clear plexes, to pvp, etc without any consequences. A couple of facts are obvious from the OP's post; Despite knowing very little about Eve, he holds the majority of the playerbase in contempt. He wants to play Eve exactly how he wants to play it in his own little bubble. He hasn't even read the suggestions made by other players to alleviate the problems caused by long-term noobcorp members before coming here and shouting his mouth off and calling the rest of us 'pre-schoolers' (oh the irony!). You have to ask yourself if people like this would be such a big loss to Eve if they did leave. Anyway, I hope people do keep up the fight to have the rules changed on long-term noobcorp membership. I won't be joining in unfortunately, as I personally can't be bothered to debate with people who are so selfish and ignorant. lol where did I say I was leaving the game? Furthermore, how about that point I made about the "new recruit-Player corp leverage" problem that forcing players out of noob corps would surely create? You don't have an answer to that or won't even touch that subject but you say I know nothing about the game?...lol The only people I hold in contempt are ignorant people who pretend they know me or how I play the game but also, make suggestions to change game mechanics without going through all of the ramifications of those changes first. I haven't read one single post which explains what would prevent a player corp from taking advantage of new recruits who are forced out of NPC corps because they would have no where else to go since going back to the noob corp isn't an option with a high tax rate. And that was only ONE potential problem I brought up.
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.05 18:30:00 - [76] Ki An, I am not going to spend the rest of my day arguing with you over forum rules and whatnot. If you don't want to talk about the subject I would say that YOU are the true troll here.
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.02.05 18:39:00 - [77] Originally by: Hasak Rain Ki An, I am not going to spend the rest of my day arguing with you over forum rules and whatnot. If you don't want to talk about the subject I would say that YOU are the true troll here. I am only asking you to take the rules into consideration before you litter the forums with your insulting and immature behaviour. As for the subject matter: People hiding in noob corps is a problem as it skews the market. No enemies - no losses - isk fountain. My suggestion would be to give all starting characters on level of Corporation Management from the get go (much like mining) and one free corp start (i.e. no charge for starting a corp). When a period of "noob-dom" is over (say three months) taxes for that char would be set to 70% if he should chose to stay in the noob corp. When quitting a corp, you go back to the noob-corp and those 70% tax. This gives incentive to create or join a player corp, but don't allow for taking advantage of newbs, as they can always start their own free corp. /Ki Haven't got one yet?
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.05 18:50:00 - [78] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Hasak Rain Ki An, I am not going to spend the rest of my day arguing with you over forum rules and whatnot. If you don't want to talk about the subject I would say that YOU are the true troll here. I am only asking you to take the rules into consideration before you litter the forums with your insulting and immature behaviour. As for the subject matter: People hiding in noob corps is a problem as it skews the market. No enemies - no losses - isk fountain. My suggestion would be to give all starting characters on level of Corporation Management from the get go (much like mining) and one free corp start (i.e. no charge for starting a corp). When a period of "noob-dom" is over (say three months) taxes for that char would be set to 70% if he should chose to stay in the noob corp. When quitting a corp, you go back to the noob-corp and those 70% tax. This gives incentive to create or join a player corp, but don't allow for taking advantage of newbs, as they can always start their own free corp. /Ki So what you are saying is that all players {after a short period of time} should all be isolated into their own one man corps? As far as incentive to join those player corps goes, how about the player corps come up with their own incentives instead of being lazy and wanting CCP to create the incentive for them? The burden of getting new members always fell upon the corps and the CEOs. It is the way it always was and the way it should be. Why does CCP have to force people out of the noob corps to do the job of getting recruits for them? Like people have said a million times in other threads, it is the "old carrot on the stick versus the swinging of the stick argument." Swinging the stick in MMOs causes people to quit the game because nobody likes being forced into a play style they don't want to do. Maybe you and people like you, don't care but I bet CCP does considering the customers pay the bills around here.
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.02.05 18:57:00 - [79] Originally by: Hasak Rain So what you are saying is that all players {after a short period of time} should all be isolated into their own one man corps? As far as incentive to join those player corps goes, how about the player corps come up with their own incentives instead of being lazy and wanting CCP to create the incentive for them? The burden of getting new members always fell upon the corps and the CEOs. It is the way it always was and the way it should be. Why does CCP have to force people out of the noob corps to do the job of getting recruits for them? Like people have said a million times in other threads, it is the "old carrot on the stick versus the swinging of the stick argument." Swinging the stick in MMOs causes people to quit the game because nobody likes being forced into a play style they don't want to do. Maybe you and people like you, don't care but I bet CCP does considering the customers pay the bills around here. You are right, I don't care much for people hiding in NPC corps, and I wouldn't miss them for one second if they all packed up and left. That said, there is plenty of incentive to join a PC corp, but, as we've heard in this thread and others like it, the NPC-corp hiders are too afraid that someone will war-dec them out of the blue the moment they set foot outside the NPC corp, which is, of course, total hosh-posh. As the issue is one of safety, there is no way to get people out of NPC corps, because however you look at it, an NPC corp will always be safer in empire. This is where the stick comes in, to make the NPC corps unsafe. I'm doing my part. If I come upon an NPC corp miner and a jetcan, I'll steal it. Go out there and do your part too. /Ki Haven't got one yet?
Gretek Lal Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:07:00 - [80] Originally by: Ki An ... This is where the stick comes in, to make the NPC corps unsafe. I'm doing my part. If I come upon an NPC corp miner and a jetcan, I'll steal it. Go out there and do your part too. /Ki So you are a griefer, then. I left my last 2 player corps because of wardecs. To me, there's really no reason to join a player corp because what I want to do in Eve is mine, run a few missions, and explore the galaxy. I don't want to be expected to do this and that when I log on. I don't want to have to install bloody stupid Teamspeak just to join some player corp. I'm a busy person and I pay my subscription fee to play this game my way. I play Eve to relax and have fun. I think people who want to force others to change their style of play to suit them (i.e., to give them more easy targets) are pathetic and cowardly. You want lots and lots of pvp? Go to 0.0 and wardec somebody.
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:12:00 - [81] Edited by: Hasak Rain on 05/02/2007 19:09:44 Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Hasak Rain So what you are saying is that all players {after a short period of time} should all be isolated into their own one man corps? As far as incentive to join those player corps goes, how about the player corps come up with their own incentives instead of being lazy and wanting CCP to create the incentive for them? The burden of getting new members always fell upon the corps and the CEOs. It is the way it always was and the way it should be. Why does CCP have to force people out of the noob corps to do the job of getting recruits for them? Like people have said a million times in other threads, it is the "old carrot on the stick versus the swinging of the stick argument." Swinging the stick in MMOs causes people to quit the game because nobody likes being forced into a play style they don't want to do. Maybe you and people like you, don't care but I bet CCP does considering the customers pay the bills around here. You are right, I don't care much for people hiding in NPC corps, and I wouldn't miss them for one second if they all packed up and left. That said, there is plenty of incentive to join a PC corp, but, as we've heard in this thread and others like it, the NPC-corp hiders are too afraid that someone will war-dec them out of the blue the moment they set foot outside the NPC corp, which is, of course, total hosh-posh. As the issue is one of safety, there is no way to get people out of NPC corps, because however you look at it, an NPC corp will always be safer in empire. This is where the stick comes in, to make the NPC corps unsafe. I'm doing my part. If I come upon an NPC corp miner and a jetcan, I'll steal it. Go out there and do your part too. /Ki I am a NPC corp miner and use a jetcan. I frequently mine in a system named Rokofor. Come try to steal it please. Why would someone like me bother you though? I am not bothering you. Is mining in a barge such an offensive act? To be clear, I am not "hiding" in the noob corp. Ive been in a 0.0 corp before and I can't say that I thought it was all that it was *****ed up to be. Maybe because I joined it too soon and wasn't ready but really, I found many of the OPs very boring. I also found it very time consuming and time isn't something that everyone who plays EvE has. Some people have jobs and a family. However, I do plan on joining a low sec or 0.0 corp again in the future.....when I am ready....when i decide to....not when the forum whiners think i should. Regardless of all of that, if you want to kill somone in a NPC corp, you should have to work for it. That means catching them in low sec or 0.0. I mean, it isn't like I can kill a 0.0 member easily. I have to sneak into the persons corp's space and through all the gatecamps on the way to get to him right? Why should you have it easier than me? What makes you special?
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:12:00 - [82] There are plenty of alliances/corps for freelancers out there if you dont want to start your own. Join one. Tax bracket progressive taxation is a fine idea. 2 mil sp = +5% tax rate sounds super to me. _________________________ ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One." Got Alliance? Contact me ingame for alliance creation services.
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:13:00 - [83] Edited by: Ki An on 05/02/2007 19:11:28 Edited by: Ki An on 05/02/2007 19:10:42 Originally by: Gretek Lal So you are a griefer, then. Yes. Originally by: Gretek Lal I left my last 2 player corps because of wardecs. To me, there's really no reason to join a player corp because what I want to do in Eve is mine, run a few missions, and explore the galaxy. Like I said, it's an issue of safety. If we make the NPC corps less safe, people like this will quit the game and save us a lot of headaches. Originally by: Gretek Lal I don't want to be expected to do this and that when I log on. I don't want to have to install bloody stupid Teamspeak just to join some player corp. As you clearly have NO experience with player corps I'll enlighten you to the fact that not all corps are like this. Originally by: Gretek Lal I'm a busy person and I pay my subscription fee to play this game my way. I play Eve to relax and have fun. So am I, and so do I. I manage to do it in a PC corp. Go figure, eh? Originally by: Gretek Lal I think people who want to force others to change their style of play to suit them (i.e., to give them more easy targets) are pathetic and cowardly. Not about targets mate. About playing the damn game. Originally by: Gretek Lal You want lots and lots of pvp? Go to 0.0 and wardec somebody. I am. /Ki Haven't got one yet?
SSgt Sniper Gallente Zekarus Ltd.	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:14:00 - [84] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Hasak Rain So what you are saying is that all players {after a short period of time} should all be isolated into their own one man corps? As far as incentive to join those player corps goes, how about the player corps come up with their own incentives instead of being lazy and wanting CCP to create the incentive for them? The burden of getting new members always fell upon the corps and the CEOs. It is the way it always was and the way it should be. Why does CCP have to force people out of the noob corps to do the job of getting recruits for them? Like people have said a million times in other threads, it is the "old carrot on the stick versus the swinging of the stick argument." Swinging the stick in MMOs causes people to quit the game because nobody likes being forced into a play style they don't want to do. Maybe you and people like you, don't care but I bet CCP does considering the customers pay the bills around here. You are right, I don't care much for people hiding in NPC corps, and I wouldn't miss them for one second if they all packed up and left. That said, there is plenty of incentive to join a PC corp, but, as we've heard in this thread and others like it, the NPC-corp hiders are too afraid that someone will war-dec them out of the blue the moment they set foot outside the NPC corp, which is, of course, total hosh-posh. As the issue is one of safety, there is no way to get people out of NPC corps, because however you look at it, an NPC corp will always be safer in empire. This is where the stick comes in, to make the NPC corps unsafe. I'm doing my part. If I come upon an NPC corp miner and a jetcan, I'll steal it. Go out there and do your part too. /Ki lol, the most crow I ever had to eat was my previous corp, I recruited an npc guy, who said his main reason he didn't join a player corp was wardecks by outfits like the privateers. (This was just before they became all the rage of the forums.) Three days after he joined, I left the corp because of some other issues going on although I'm still friends with them, three days after that they get decked by none other than the Privateers. That was an interesting convo, I can tell you that. I'm not saying it happens to everyone obviously, but, if someone really isn't ready for the potential of PVP in Wardeck form, then you shouldn't force the issue IMO. With three years of developed Charaters I can see why some folks might prefer to develop for a year before venturing forth. Makes good sense to be plenty prepared and you shouldn't punish them for that. Don't let the actions of a handful **** it up for the rest of folks. Some folks can't join player corps because they don't have the kind of time to invest in corp ops, some get booted because RL jumps in the way, some get booted just because they do. You have to give those folks somewhere safe to regroup/sort thier situation, or likely they'll turn it off and never come back. And that's less investment in the server each time it occurs. Let those who want to be safe for the trade off of likely never owning a POS/Cap ship do what they will. They've made thier choice. --------- Representing all the casual gamers happily living in Empire, that want NO PART of your 0.0 annoyances. However, I do not represent my corp. We vote first.
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:24:00 - [85] KI An, i was starting to think you were a somewhat reasonable person until I read your last couple of posts where you showed your true self. You are basically a Pirate or a Griefer. I have no problem with that and I actually respect Pirates and the way they play but the fact that you are arguing for a change to suit your own playstyle is not only childish but you lose credibility since you are not objective. In fact, it sounds to me that you just want more targets and don't care about any ramifications changes bring as long as you get what you want.
Pham Sirge VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:25:00 - [86] Hi all, This thread is "the win". The general "I dont want to leave NPC corps because its scary and tax is sooo unfair" and the "kill them all, rofl pew pew" gankers. NPC corps dont add much(to be fully honest "anything") to eve, they are full of "lone wolf" players who have this mind set of "just one more mission and Ill be cool" or "just one more month and I wont suck". You can tell them the honest truth and they will still say "high sec gankers are going to kill me". Let them rot, most I have known, quit the game anyway because they never reach that point where they get into the exciting aspects of eve. They just plow into mission or high sec mining till their eyes bleed. In summary, NPC corps add nothing and Old players in npc corps are going to quit anyway. , Pham Sirge
Vladikov Orrico	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:27:00 - [87] Quote: Maybe you and people like you, don't care but I bet CCP does considering the customers pay the bills around here. "My taxes pay your salary!"... sorry couldn't resist. I really do I think I came up with a great way to ease a new player into the tax system. Only players with 10+ mil skillpoints would be really feeling the tax crunch.
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:30:00 - [88] Originally by: Hasak Rain KI An, i was starting to think you were a somewhat reasonable person until I read your last couple of posts where you showed your true self. You are basically a Pirate or a Griefer. I have no problem with that and I actually respect Pirates and the way they play but the fact that you are arguing for a change to suit your own playstyle is not only childish but you lose credibility since you are not objective. In fact, it sounds to me that you just want more targets and don't care about any ramifications changes bring as long as you get what you want. Don't care much about appearance, but you are right, I do pirate and "grief". I do it more to NPC corp members, cause I don't like the fact that they can spout their mouths off in local or here on the forums, and I can't even war-dec them for it. It angers me that I can't get revenge by pew-pewing them, so I steal their ore, suicide gank 'em, and do whatever I can to make their in-game life miserable. I do this to whomever smacks me, someone I know, the guy next to me, or someone I've never met. I don't like smack, and I don't like free rides. NPC corp promotes both. Hence, I don't like NPC corps. /Ki Haven't got one yet?
Tien Kou Caldari Industrial Cleaning Corporation	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:32:00 - [89] Originally by: Ki An Edited by: Ki An on 05/02/2007 19:11:28 Edited by: Ki An on 05/02/2007 19:10:42 Originally by: Gretek Lal So you are a griefer, then. Yes. Originally by: Gretek Lal I left my last 2 player corps because of wardecs. To me, there's really no reason to join a player corp because what I want to do in Eve is mine, run a few missions, and explore the galaxy. Like I said, it's an issue of safety. If we make the NPC corps less safe, people like this will quit the game and save us a lot of headaches. Hmm people like this will quit the game and save us alot of headaches Wow obviously your to stupid to understand how many people are in NPC corps.If all those people quit,trust me,you would be back playing WoW and *****ing on those forums about all the players who are better than you.Cause CCP would not have a game running without the npc players.I've read some stupid things in these forums but you take the cake.Please dont just unplug your comp,unplug your lifeline cause you are to stupid to live!!!!!!!
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:34:00 - [90] Originally by: Tien Kou Originally by: Ki An Edited by: Ki An on 05/02/2007 19:11:28 Edited by: Ki An on 05/02/2007 19:10:42 Originally by: Gretek Lal So you are a griefer, then. Yes. Originally by: Gretek Lal I left my last 2 player corps because of wardecs. To me, there's really no reason to join a player corp because what I want to do in Eve is mine, run a few missions, and explore the galaxy. Like I said, it's an issue of safety. If we make the NPC corps less safe, people like this will quit the game and save us a lot of headaches. Hmm people like this will quit the game and save us alot of headaches Wow obviously your to stupid to understand how many people are in NPC corps.If all those people quit,trust me,you would be back playing WoW and *****ing on those forums about all the players who are better than you.Cause CCP would not have a game running without the npc players.I've read some stupid things in these forums but you take the cake.Please dont just unplug your comp,unplug your lifeline cause you are to stupid to live!!!!!!! Living up to my previous post, your smack has brought your corp a war-dec. Thank you for flying in a PC corp :) /Ki Haven't got one yet?
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:37:00 - [91] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Hasak Rain KI An, i was starting to think you were a somewhat reasonable person until I read your last couple of posts where you showed your true self. You are basically a Pirate or a Griefer. I have no problem with that and I actually respect Pirates and the way they play but the fact that you are arguing for a change to suit your own playstyle is not only childish but you lose credibility since you are not objective. In fact, it sounds to me that you just want more targets and don't care about any ramifications changes bring as long as you get what you want. Don't care much about appearance, but you are right, I do pirate and "grief". I do it more to NPC corp members, cause I don't like the fact that they can spout their mouths off in local or here on the forums, and I can't even war-dec them for it. It angers me that I can't get revenge by pew-pewing them, so I steal their ore, suicide gank 'em, and do whatever I can to make their in-game life miserable. I do this to whomever smacks me, someone I know, the guy next to me, or someone I've never met. I don't like smack, and I don't like free rides. NPC corp promotes both. Hence, I don't like NPC corps. /Ki So basically, your problem is you don't like some of the people in the game and how they play it. What is good for the game takes a backseat to that correct? Also, I guess that it didn't occur to you that over half the people who post here do so on an alt so even if you could War dec those "forum smack talking noobs" hiding in their NPC corps, how would you really know who is who?
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:40:00 - [92] Originally by: Hasak Rain So basically, your problem is you don't like some of the people in the game and how they play it. What is good for the game takes a backseat to that correct? Also, I guess that it didn't occur to you that over half the people who post here do so on an alt so even if you could War dec those "forum smack talking noobs" hiding in their NPC corps, how would you really know who is who? I think that being able to avoid all consequences in this game is bad for the game, so I believe my stance on this is good for the game. About the war-decs, I can't be bothered to look up every single alt, but if I see someone who smacks, I'll have them decced if they show their face in game. /Ki Haven't got one yet? Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Lyn30101	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:42:00 - [93] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Tien Kou Originally by: Ki An Edited by: Ki An on 05/02/2007 19:11:28 Edited by: Ki An on 05/02/2007 19:10:42 Originally by: Gretek Lal So you are a griefer, then. Yes. Originally by: Gretek Lal I left my last 2 player corps because of wardecs. To me, there's really no reason to join a player corp because what I want to do in Eve is mine, run a few missions, and explore the galaxy. Like I said, it's an issue of safety. If we make the NPC corps less safe, people like this will quit the game and save us a lot of headaches. Hmm people like this will quit the game and save us alot of headaches Wow obviously your to stupid to understand how many people are in NPC corps.If all those people quit,trust me,you would be back playing WoW and *****ing on those forums about all the players who are better than you.Cause CCP would not have a game running without the npc players.I've read some stupid things in these forums but you take the cake.Please dont just unplug your comp,unplug your lifeline cause you are to stupid to live!!!!!!! Living up to my previous post, your smack has brought your corp a war-dec. Thank you for flying in a PC corp :) /Ki And people wonder why people post with alts........
Clementina Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:46:00 - [94] I don't even see what problem people think taxing NPC corp members at some prohibitive rate is supposed to solve. Is it some moral crusade against freeloading? Trust me, a NPC corp member is not loading much, if they load it for free, all the more power to them, this is only a game. 'Hard work' 'risk vs reward' and other slogans are pretty meaningless, Eve is played to have fun. Is it to get more targets in low-sec? Low-sec is a lost cause, it will never get better, stop worrying about it. Is it to get more people into 0.0? No 0.0 corp worth a god-damn is going to hire somebody who says 'I'm applying to escape the NPC corp tax,' If they do they're either a slave of some isk farming alliance, or pitiable fools. Furthermore the alts aren't going anywhere. I have an alt who studies at Hedion University. She will still study there even if the tax is 30 percent. Alt hauling and alt scouting pays no tax. Such a regime would harm primarily newbies. Sadly that might even be the point, "vets" cannot explode newbies at the touch of a button, but rather then look for better targets from player corp members, they whine on the forums asking CCP to just give newbies to them so they can have their way with them.
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:46:00 - [95] ROFL! Well, I guess a war-dec by me was too much to bear, as the guy has now promptly quit his corp. Gotta love this game. /Ki Haven't got one yet? Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:47:00 - [96] Tien Kou, it sounds like you just been war deced by a viscous pirate who did so because you said something on the forum that he didn't like. Gee, I wonder why some people look down on Pirates and think of them as 14 year old Counter Strike refugees. You are doing your profession a disservice Ki.
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:50:00 - [97] Edited by: Ki An on 05/02/2007 19:47:14 Originally by: Hasak Rain Tien Kou, it sounds like you just been war deced by a viscous pirate who did so because you said something on the forum that he didn't like. Gee, I wonder why some people look down on Pirates and think of them as 14 year old Counter Strike refugees. You are doing your profession a disservice Ki. No, I'm staying true to my word. I said I don't like smack and that I would dec anyone who smacks me in the post JUST above him, and then in order to not loose face, I can't very well let him get away with that kind of crap, can I? Anyway, like I said, he's closed his corp, so I'm fine with it. /Edit: I'm a viscous pirate? That's a first /Ki Haven't got one yet? Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:52:00 - [98] Did he really close his corp though?...lol Sorry but that is funny. He must of been in a one man corp.
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:53:00 - [99] Originally by: Hasak Rain Tien Kou, it sounds like you just been war deced by a viscous pirate Viscous pirate? Quick, somebody grab 'Viscous Pirates' as a corp name. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:55:00 - [100] I meant "Vicious."
SSgt Sniper Gallente Zekarus Ltd.	Posted - 2007.02.05 20:00:00 - [101] Originally by: Hasak Rain I meant "Vicious." Check out his sig line now And see, here you are trying to get folks out of noob corps and you just ran the poor guy back in one.... (not that I'm knocking you for serious what the guy said was a bit OTT.) --------- Representing all the casual gamers happily living in Empire, that want NO PART of your 0.0 annoyances. However, I do not represent my corp. We vote first.
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.02.05 20:03:00 - [102] Originally by: SSgt Sniper And see, here you are trying to get folks out of noob corps and you just ran the poor guy back in one.... (not that I'm knocking you for serious what the guy said was a bit OTT.) Yeah, I know. Ironic, ain't it? /Ki Haven't got one yet? Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Vladikov Orrico	Posted - 2007.02.05 20:28:00 - [103] Quote: Living up to my previous post, your smack has brought your corp a war-dec. Thank you for flying in a PC corp :) If you wanna war-dec someone then so be it....but to war-dec someone in game because of forum BS is just tacky imho... we are adults here correct? I have been pretty neutral this "dicussion" (I use the term very loosely)as I was just trying to come up with a comfortable alternative to taxing newbie corps (if it actually came to doing that). I just hate to see stuff degrade to the point where this stuff starts happening. If you are posting in a roleplay "in character" forum then fine....but we are all out of character here.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.02.05 20:30:00 - [104] Originally by: Vladikov Orrico Quote: Living up to my previous post, your smack has brought your corp a war-dec. Thank you for flying in a PC corp :) If you wanna war-dec someone then so be it....but to war-dec someone in game because of forum BS is just tacky imho... we are adults here correct? I have been pretty neutral this "dicussion" (I use the term very loosely)as I was just trying to come up with a comfortable alternative to taxing newbie corps (if it actually came to doing that). I just hate to see stuff degrade to the point where this stuff starts happening. If you are posting in a roleplay "in character" forum then fine....but we are all out of character here. Come to an NPC corp, no taxes, no wardecs, and all the macro miners you can stomach.
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.02.05 20:32:00 - [105] Originally by: Vladikov Orrico If you wanna war-dec someone then so be it....but to war-dec someone in game because of forum BS is just tacky imho... we are adults here correct? I have been pretty neutral this "dicussion" (I use the term very loosely)as I was just trying to come up with a comfortable alternative to taxing newbie corps (if it actually came to doing that). I just hate to see stuff degrade to the point where this stuff starts happening. If you are posting in a roleplay "in character" forum then fine....but we are all out of character here. First, I posted right above the guy that I would do this, and he still came out and smacked me. I had no other choice tbh. Second, I'm always roleplaying. Today I'm a grumpy pirate, cause my stomache aches. Third, we're apparently not all adults, as the guy who let his mouth go off can't be older than 13. No reason to dec him, sure, but like I said, I had to. Fourth, I didn't dec him. I just said I would, and he quit his corp. Pretty funny if you ask me. /Ki Haven't got one yet? Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Harisdrop Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.05 20:44:00 - [106] Vivox will kill npc corps and kali 1.3 faction wars will change alliances. Changes are coming and it will be mechanical. If you want to converse with anyone you can . Negotiating s will be verbally. Why be in a NPC if no one will talk to you? Cause that would be my filter. When you have a war dec when you engage in a mission and woirk with a few friend s in your squad. New NPC NPC Market
Max Godsnottlingson Amarr Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2007.02.05 20:47:00 - [107] Actually, I woudl suggest that the number of 'verteran' players who purely stay in the NPC Corps is very small. I would suggest that by and far the biggest majority of 'verterans' in Noobie and NPC corps are in fact ALTS. Most being back-ups to player pirates to safley haul and sell their ill gotten loot and what ever on the best markets and to support them by quietly mining and trading. Also people like myself, yes I'll hold my hand up and admit to having a Noobie Corp Hauling Alt to avoid the likes of the idiots of PA and anyother countless group of wannabe pirates who think wardecking an industrial alliance for a week will give them a lot of easy targets. Then there is a whole plethora of can thieves, scammers and campers who use Alts in NPC Corps to hide behind knowing full well they can't be wardecked. And as for a tax on NPC corp members. Well it wouldn't bother me one iota, because my Alt never sells it just hauls to where my JC is and contracts all that 0.0 loot to me to sell. And before anybody starts flaming me for it, yes, I'd be more then happy to do without it if I knew that every player pirate in thegame was forced to do without their nice safe NPC Alt who they use to support their thieving ways.
Isyel Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.05 20:47:00 - [108] Hehe, nice one with the immaginary war declaration. At any rate, you just gotta love all the sweeping generalizations and pure bull** people spew about 0.0 corps and alliances. Half of it is not true, another third is about halfway true and please... Stop with the 'omgbobisgonnakillusallandtakeallof0.0' nonsense, mmyes? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Originally by:** Wrangler We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want both anti-social and social players to grief each other!
Tien Kou Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2007.02.05 20:56:00 - [109] Oh noes the viscous pirate has wardeced me oops.lol.Didnt just quit the corp quit the game.Losers like you have finally got me to make up my mind,between the bugs and the 12 year old punks who think they can "own" the game by being the little **agankers that they are.It truly is people like you who will end up killing this game,which is really to bad.Played in beta and it was fun/played pre RMR and it was fun.Now it's just a bunch of punka.s.s kids who think that everyone should play the game the way they want.The worst thing is that CCP seems to think making the little ers happy will make their game better.Wow are they wrong.Things like making new characters start with 800k skill points,the complete nerf of most true combat,just because the agankers cant kill npc players in empire.The total screwup called "contracts" brought in due to the fact idiots refuse to "check info" before they buy.The complete bull** that is the tech 2 lottery."Invention" ??? what the hell is that crap.CCP had a vision of what their game would be when they first put the idea together but I highly doubt they have stayed true to the idea. Yea I'm sure some will think I'm leaving cause they made me scared.But I'm just a toon in a game,there is no fear in a game.heheh can you have my stuff ? sure if you find me in game before I give it to some new player,might as well let someone start with some nice stuff. lol have fun I know I will
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.02.05 21:00:00 - [110] Originally by: Tien Kou Oh noes the viscous pirate has wardeced me oops.lol.Didnt just quit the corp quit the game.Losers like you have finally got me to make up my mind,between the bugs and the 12 year old punks who think they can "own" the game by being the little **agankers that they are.It truly is people like you who will end up killing this game,which is really to bad.Played in beta and it was fun/played pre RMR and it was fun.Now it's just a bunch of punka.s.s kids who think that everyone should play the game the way they want.The worst thing is that CCP seems to think making the little ers happy will make their game better.Wow are they wrong.Things like making new characters start with 800k skill points,the complete nerf of most true combat,just because the agankers cant kill npc players in empire.The total screwup called "contracts" brought in due to the fact idiots refuse to "check info" before they buy.The complete bull** that is the tech 2 lottery."Invention" ??? what the hell is that crap.CCP had a vision of what their game would be when they first put the idea together but I highly doubt they have stayed true to the idea. Yea I'm sure some will think I'm leaving cause they made me scared.But I'm just a toon in a game,there is no fear in a game.heheh can you have my stuff ? sure if you find me in game before I give it to some new player,might as well let someone start with some nice stuff. lol have fun I know I will No loss here. _________________________ ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One." Got Alliance? Contact me ingame for alliance creation services.
Blue Pixie	Posted - 2007.02.05 21:07:00 - [111] I still don't get it. Cry babies keep whining that people "hiding" in NPC corps have "immunity" and don't have any consequences... So what's stopping you from attacking someone in an NPC corp if you want to kill them so badly? Oh noes! You might lose a ship and lower your security rating with Concord?! Heaven forbid YOU might have to suffer some consequences!
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.02.05 21:18:00 - [112] Originally by: Tien Kou Oh noes the viscous pirate has wardeced me oops.lol.Didnt just quit the corp quit the game.Losers like you have finally got me to make up my mind,between the bugs and the 12 year old punks who think they can "own" the game by being the little **agankers that they are.It truly is people like you who will end up killing this game,which is really to bad.Played in beta and it was fun/played pre RMR and it was fun.Now it's just a bunch of punka.s.s kids who think that everyone should play the game the way they want.The worst thing is that CCP seems to think making the little ers happy will make their game better.Wow are they wrong.Things like making new characters start with 800k skill points,the complete nerf of most true combat,just because the agankers cant kill npc players in empire.The total screwup called "contracts" brought in due to the fact idiots refuse to "check info" before they buy.The complete bull that is the tech 2 lottery."Invention" ??? what the hell is that crap.CCP had a vision of what their game would be when they first put the idea together but I highly doubt they have stayed true to the idea. Yea I'm sure some will think I'm leaving cause they made me scared.But I'm just a toon in a game,there is no fear in a game.heheh can you have my stuff ? sure if you find me in game before I give it to some new player,might as well let someone start with some nice stuff. lol have fun I know I will RL Wardec pls. On another note, this thread has at least added to my insult vocabulary. For the next 45 minutes, anyone who disagrees with me is a viscous tater tot *aganker. * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.02.05 21:20:00 - [113] Originally by: Tsanse Kinske RL Wardec pls. On another note, this thread has at least added to my insult vocabulary. For the next 45 minutes, anyone who disagrees with me is a viscous tater tot ****aganker. ROFL! Haven't got one yet? Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Radioactive Babe Red Frost	Posted - 2007.02.06 00:50:00 - [114] Originally by: Ki An ... /Edit: I'm a viscous pirate? That's a first /Ki doesn't viscous mean slow and thick (glutinous, gunky, slimy) ? .... hehe, he was right on the money wardec away (toon is in Tanoo in Derelik iirc) Alas, poor risk vs reward, I knew you well
Icarus Thorne	Posted - 2007.02.08 03:59:00 - [115] Edited by: Icarus Thorne on 08/02/2007 03:58:29 Originally by: Sinder Ohm I would like to interject here.... I must partly agree with lexus mate. People in noob corps contribute nothing to the eve universe, they in no way influence the game in any way eg: they dont have any influence on EVE politics, the eve map, and very little on the market (since noob corps have no common goal its everyone for himself). Where does it say that I'm expected to "contribute to the game" (by which you really mean, contribue to YOUR enjoyment), when I sign up? Especially when there are so many players trying to take my enjoyment away from the start, beginning with the types that hover over jet cans outside noob stations, waiting for unknowing noobs to take something out of them so they can blow the noob in his rookie ship away.
Icarus Thorne	Posted - 2007.02.08 04:06:00 - [116] Originally by: Cupertino I've posted constructive replies in these threads before, attempting to explain how much better Eve would be if solo, independent players formed their own one-man corporations rather than staying in school and hiding from the realities and responsibilities of Eve. I gave up doing this because when you try and have a sensible discussion about accountability in Eve Responsibilities? Accountability? What could you possibly be talking about. This is a GAME, not some freaking schoolhouse or place of employment.
Hesed Hamartia.	Posted - 2007.02.08 04:17:00 - [117] NPC stations should charge rent. If can be approximate to the costs of running a medium POS w/ a single Ship Hangar (3M isk/day for 20M m3) then: 4k/day for each frigate 8k/day for ea. destroyer 16k/day for ea. cruiser/barge 24k/day for ea. BC 165k/day for ea. BS Failure to pay should mean having your asset impounded, scrapped, sold and your station account credited with the balance. Then people will flock to organized corporations and a superior game experience if for no reason other than to gain synergy from mutual employment. Refining should be limited too. 200000m3 per 3hrs should be the maximum on hard to find and expensive facilities (just like Efficient arrays). The other recyclers should have shorter times, lower costs, be more plentiful yet provide 35% base returns. If a couple of nancies quit, who really cares? Oh yeah, and missions shouldn't have concord bounties at all. You should just get the officer rank emblem, and have to travel to the other end of empire to offload it - in lowsec space. And you get bpcs for meta gear in return.. that requires several units of t1 gear to cobble. And then you should get taxed. And docking fee'd. And gate fee'd. And mining ore in empire should require a permit so that at the end of the day, all you get from any investment in highsec is a 10% RoI. Oh yeah, and NPCs in 0.0 should get the hose too to level that profession. The only benefit should be much improved RoI. Being rich in EVE should require testicular fortitude, masses of vulnerable properties, and the capricious loyalty of one's subordinates and partners. Oh, and the ability to take on similar individuals and win.
Tar Magen Amarr Arx Amarria	Posted - 2007.02.08 05:22:00 - [118] Originally by: Hesed NPC stations should charge rent. If can be approximate to the costs of running a medium POS w/ a single Ship Hangar (3M isk/day for 20M m3) then: 4k/day for each frigate 8k/day for ea. destroyer 16k/day for ea. cruiser/barge 24k/day for ea. BC 165k/day for ea. BS Failure to pay should mean having your asset impounded, scrapped, sold and your station account credited with the balance. Then people will flock to organized corporations and a superior game experience if for no reason other than to gain synergy from mutual employment. Refining should be limited too. 200000m3 per 3hrs should be the maximum on hard to find and expensive facilities (just like Efficient arrays). The other recyclers should have shorter times, lower costs, be more plentiful yet provide 35% base returns. If a couple of nancies quit, who really cares? Oh yeah, and missions shouldn't have concord bounties at all. You should just get the officer rank emblem, and have to travel to the other end of empire to offload it - in lowsec space. And you get bpcs for meta gear in return.. that requires several units of t1 gear to cobble. And then you should get taxed. And docking fee'd. And gate fee'd. And mining ore in empire should require a permit so that at the end of the day, all you get from any investment in highsec is a 10% RoI. Oh yeah, and NPCs in 0.0 should get the hose too to level that profession. The only benefit should be much improved RoI. Being rich in EVE should require testicular fortitude, masses of vulnerable properties, and the capricious loyalty of one's subordinates and partners. Oh, and the ability to take on similar individuals and win. I think all of this can be addressed in one reply: you're an idiot.
Unbeliever Kresmoreen Pro Valde Justicia	Posted - 2007.02.08 07:57:00 - [119] Edited by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen on 08/02/2007 07:54:39 Wow. Just wow. Did anyone, whilst spouting all the "omgz 50% npc tax 4 lyf!" actually think what this will end up doing? Endstate: Player 1 leaves noob corp, runs missions still. Decced by player 2. Disbands corp. forms new corp. (1 mil isk?). Runs missions still. Gets decced again. Disbands again. Forms new corp.... Basically, you're filling up peoples corp history with a string of hundreds of closed corps (im sure the Db thanks you though!), getting **** all 'easy ganks', achieving very, very little (minor tax of 1mil per day/week or so, good job) apart from irritation of the people currently in NPC corps. edit: mistype. That people don't think CCP considered this is kinda funny tbh. /2c.
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.02.08 08:47:00 - [120] Originally by: Tar Magen I think all of this can be addressed in one reply: you're an idiot. WTS sarcasm/irony detector.
kadet biggav Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.08 09:04:00 - [121] pathetic i do not usually armour tank , it should be nerfed : make forum moaners pay for posting here with isk :
Sinder Ohm Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.08 09:29:00 - [122] Originally by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen Edited by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen on 08/02/2007 07:54:39 Wow. Just wow. Did anyone, whilst spouting all the "omgz 50% npc tax 4 lyf!" actually think what this will end up doing? Endstate: Player 1 leaves noob corp, runs missions still. Decced by player 2. Disbands corp. forms new corp. (1 mil isk?). Runs missions still. Gets decced again. Disbands again. Forms new corp.... Basically, you're filling up peoples corp history with a string of hundreds of closed corps (im sure the Db thanks you though!), getting ** all 'easy ganks', achieving very, very little (minor tax of 1mil per day/week or so, good job) apart from irritation of the people currently in NPC corps. edit: mistype. That people don't think CCP considered this is kinda funny tbh. /2c. whats with the "I'm going to get wardecced phobia" I was also once in empire and also started as a noob the chances of a small corp getting decced arent very likely. stop being afraid of your own shadow it realy isnt as bad as you think. Originally by:** Blind Man okies so liek when u warp in on them u shod target them... and stuff k.then u FIRE ZE MISSILES
Dee Caffari Total Mayhem.	Posted - 2007.02.08 09:44:00 - [123] Species: Common Forum Troll Distribution: Widely distributed throughout the internet Distinguishing features and behaviour: Often characterised by a lack of in-depth knowledge, the forum troll will often try to make up for this lack of knowledge and intelligence with insulting and ill-considered remarks made with great assertion. It will often hide behind the anonymity of the internet in order to make its offensive remarks whilst avoiding repercussions; this is thought to be indicative of a lack of self esteem and a fear of ridicule (an inevitable side effect given the laughable nature of its arguments). Diet: The forum troll thrives on a diet of arguments (both rational and incorrect) which pass through its digestive system and get turned into offensive, irrational cr*p. It also requires regular doses of attention in order to keep itself healthy. How to deal with one: The best course of action should you come across the common forum troll is to ignore it, this lack of attention and food will force the troll into a rapid decline leading ultimately to forum death. Be aware they will often start threads with reasonable sounding assertions, be careful not to be drawn in, they are merely bait in order to lure other forum users into feeding the troll words and attention. If you find yourself in a troll's thread the best course of action is to retreat as soon as you can; they are like telephone salesmen û you will never sway their opinion or be able to get the last word in, that is not what they are there for.
Neon Genesis Gallente Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.02.08 09:54:00 - [124] Hay guys did you know anyone who disagrees with you is a 'tater tot'.
Unbeliever Kresmoreen Pro Valde Justicia	Posted - 2007.02.08 10:00:00 - [125] Originally by: Sinder Ohm whats with the "I'm going to get wardecced phobia" I was also once in empire and also started as a noob the chances of a small corp getting decced arent very likely. stop being afraid of your own shadow it realy isnt as bad as you think. Uh... Bueller? The whole thread was/is about pushing vets (in NPC corps) out into the big scary world and forcing risk vs reward... So uh, merely stating what the end effect of this would be assuming gankers then take advantage of this to war dec them... to kill them... in empire... for loot... And should they keep doing it, the net effect would be not ******* much at all? Meanwhile, maybe check peoples corp history before giving broad sweeping generalised advice. Helps in not appearing asinine .
Amaris Aidoios	Posted - 2007.02.08 10:08:00 - [126] Originally by: Hasak Rain So basically what they are saying is EVERYONE'S options should be: A) Stay in the Noob corp and pay some outragous tax rate such as 30% B) Join a 0.0 player corp and pay 20 million isk a month for the privledge of being BoB's little pets. Let's face it. Before long, most if not all of 0.0 will be controlled by BoB because no one has the guts to stand up to them. Eventually, they will own it all and their slaves will all be paying 20 million a month per corp member. I know some forum muppet is probably going to post here and try to explain to me how 20 million a month is "nothing" in 0.0 which brings me to the point on why these "tax noob corps" threads are stupid. The insane amounts of isk the 0.0 corp players can make in 0.0 ARE the main reward for being in such a corp. Meanwhile, the noob s who just joined the game or even the two year vets who simply don't want to leave the noob corps are shackled by low paying agents, crappy asteroids and no real way to make the insane isk you can in 0.0. {Save for maybe trading but you need isk to make isk in trading} So how can you actually justify taxing noob corps? Not to mention from CCP's perspective, it would be business suicide. No new players would play this game if they made so little isk in the noob portion of the game. When a faction module starts at 25-35 million on an auction contract and I read some pre schooler ranting about taxing noobs up the rear end, it just makes me laugh at the entire situation. Everytime i see one of those "tax the noobs" threads, it just makes me glad I never left the Noob corp because do i really want to be playing this game with people with such a moronic and self centered mindset? Please
Noluck Ned FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.08 10:26:00 - [127] Edited by: Noluck Ned on 08/02/2007 10:31:06 Getting vets out of npc corps thread #64549813542. Yawn, I dont care anymore. I only go to empire to buy mods and then I am happy that privateers have added spice to my usually boring shopping trips. Personally I love being at war. Currently we only have hmmm...3 active wars. Back in LV we had up to 14 at a time, we couldent go anywhere in empire without having flashy red people to shoot at. Ahh those were the days. Fact is, when my first corp got wardecced by empire griefers it was the best thing that could have happened to us. We pulled together to fight em off in a way we never had before. You are welcome to play the game any way you want, but the interaction with others and having a good solid enemy who you need to fight/dodge are one of the things that make this game great. I personally would never be able to live as an NPC corp mission runner, I find missions extremely boring and(once you have your setup sorted) easy as pie. F4T4L - Recruitment
Noluck Ned FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.08 10:26:00 - [128] Edited by: Noluck Ned on 08/02/2007 10:31:06 Getting vets out of npc corps thread #64549813542. Yawn, I dont care anymore. I only go to empire to buy mods and then I am happy that privateers have added spice to my usually boring shopping trips. Personally I love being at war. Currently we only have hmmm...3 active wars. Back in LV we had up to 14 at a time, we couldent go anywhere in empire without having flashy red people to shoot at. Ahh those were the days. Fact is, when my first corp got wardecced by empire griefers it was the best thing that could have happened to us. We pulled together to fight em off in a way we never had before. You are welcome to play the game any way you want, but the interaction with others and having a good solid enemy who you need to fight/dodge are one of the things that make this game great. I personally would never be able to live as an NPC corp mission runner, I find missions extremely boring and(once you have your setup sorted) easy as pie. F4T4L - Recruitment
Vladikov Orrico	Posted - 2007.02.08 15:33:00 - [129] It really is a difference between players though....this "I can't do missions they are boring" SDeveral of my friends and I have gone through several MMORPGs together. Back in EQ 2002 camping quest mobs became a huge issue with them because the majority of them got frustrated after camping a mob spawn for 20 minutes and would give up and go do other stuff. The result? they rarely got stuff done very quickly. On the other hand I could easily stay for 8-10 hours camping one spot for a rare mob spawn, ensuring that I always got my stuff done and progressed fairly quicky (in regards to epic weapons etc.) The point? Some people just have the will and patience to find a 8-10 hour mob spawn (or in EVE's case - empire missions) to be completely tolerable and and a means to an end. I did nothing but Archives hauling missions on an alt for near a year because I liked them.....people said i was crazy...but I like them. Maybe I have more patience than most....but to flip the views I worry about people who don't have the patience to do this type of gameplay. It's akin to kids these days and tv. Back when I was a kid cartoons were half hour long (or an hour in the case of bugs bunny/road runner hour). Nowdays I am shocked when watching tv with my daughter on the cartoon channel....in the space of a half hour sometimes there is 3-4 short cartoon shows. It's like they believe the attention span of people has gone way down. Maybe it has....because it seems to me more people can't hack running "boring missions" over and over... Just me? or is people's attention spans, patience and toleration levels going down the drain in recent decades?
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.08 15:36:00 - [130] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 08/02/2007 15:32:45 Originally by: Vladikov Orrico Just me? or is people's attention spans, patience and toleration levels going down the drain in recent decades? No, (well, yes, but not in this particular case), it's just they have better things to do with their time. ---------- IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win
Vladikov Orrico	Posted - 2007.02.08 16:09:00 - [131] Apology to OP for 1 off topic reply...but have to ask previous poster. How do you get your sig to rotate between several? I noticed that when refreshing the page your sig switched. Tried it a few more times and saw 4-5 different ones.

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