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Rawthorm
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Posted - 2016.02.23 19:04:43 -
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Niraia wrote:"We do consider overlays using elements of a second or multiple other EVE clients to be against the rules." Could you please let me know if using the tool 'EVE Online previewer' ( https://bitbucket.org/ulph/eve-o-preview-git) which CCP FoxFour contributed to constitutes violation of this rule? Here is a screenshot of how I use it. The tool uses live taskbar previews, a Windows feature that exists in 7 onwards, which allows you to preview the contents of a window by hovering your cursor over it in the taskbar. What you see on my left monitor are slightly bigger copies of the images generated by the operating system. I see this as no different to moving a client to my second monitor and making it really small. It's essentially doing the exact same thing as the Windows taskbar but with larger previews. The overlay does not forward mouse actions to the previewed clients; clicking a preview only switches focus to that client. That aside, consider your example of using an overlay to display an overview from another client on top of another. This isn't something I do, but is it really much different to running two clients with two monitors? I think you're in very weird territory, trying to limit the way we view clients.
Aye, this needs MAJOR clarification. A good starting point would be coming up with a coherent position in house before playing Rule-Fu with the rest of us. Other than a fork of EvE-O being maintained by your own staff, I know for a fact a great many of your staff use EvE-O and Isboxer themselves.
And before anyone points to the "use at your own risk" bit, I'd like to call horse hockey on that. You don't reward over 10 years of being a loyal customer by dangling the sword of Damocles over their heads because you can't be bothered to come up with a coherent position. |
Rawthorm
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Posted - 2016.02.23 21:29:53 -
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As a loyal customer who's been here since the beginning (Well minus the first few months!) it saddens me to have to say this, but maybe it's time you fine chaps at CCP all start to pull in the same direction?
I know CCP has never really been a professional company, and in the old days that was fine. Back then it was a small team that took pride in it's informal interactions with it's customers and as it grew took pride in it's informal way of working, but this approach clearly isn't working at scale, and hasn't been for quite some time.
Somewhere along the line it became acceptable for CCP employees to effectively troll paying customers. I wont even go into the unprofessional behavior of some CCP staff towards some of it's customers, but the recent "rule clarification" is just the latest example. I simply don't get how your own staff can use 3rd party software with impunity while leaving the sword of Damocles hanging over the rest of us paying customers heads with the effective catch all ban justification that is the 3rd party software part of the EULA. This is even more mind boggling considering that your own staff develop and promote some of this software behind Dev tags on this very forum.
I'm sure I'm not the only one that would REALLY appreciate the last 12 years not ending up a potential waste of time so if you could see your way to presenting a unified clear and professional front to us customers that would be fantastic. If that involves someone vetting your staff's actions and being nominated to be the defacto rule interpreter we can all refer to then so much the better. |
Rawthorm
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Posted - 2016.02.23 22:10:03 -
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stg slate wrote:ITT: People saying all these random programs don't give an unfair advantage and they are no big deal while loosing their **** about the idea of not being able to use them anymore.
It's more the totally random way the rules are applied. I'm also perplexed at how something like multi monitors which are effectively a paywalled advantage are ok but free software that does the same thing may or may not get you banned. |
Rawthorm
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Posted - 2016.02.23 22:26:44 -
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stg slate wrote:Rawthorm wrote:stg slate wrote:ITT: People saying all these random programs don't give an unfair advantage and they are no big deal while loosing their **** about the idea of not being able to use them anymore. It's more the totally random way the rules are applied. I'm also perplexed at how something like multi monitors which are effectively a paywalled advantage are ok but free software that does the same thing may or may not get you banned. I think I can get a second monitor cheaper than a subscription for the supporting software for ISBoxer. EDIT: I Forgot people used some of the free software solutions. Regardless, its not exactly a high pay-wall, more of a pay-curb.
A paywall is a paywall, and going beyond 2 monitors requires substantial investment of hardware beyond just the monitors. Of course CCP could always do the graphics cards for plex deal again  |
Rawthorm
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Posted - 2016.02.24 13:32:58 -
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Does anyone have any legacy copies of the EULA? Is someone able to tell me when CCP snuck this little doozy in?
Quote:D. MONITORING
You agree that CCP may remotely monitor your Game hardware solely for the purpose of establishing whether in playing the Game and accessing the System you are using software created or approved by CCP, or whether you are using unauthorized software created by you or a third party in contravention of Section 6.
That's pretty game over material right there. Even having unused multi-display software installed could get you nailed. Thankfully there are some old Samsung monitors that support adjustable picture in picture so there are hardware options out there for those with the wallet to support them. |
Rawthorm
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Posted - 2016.02.24 22:24:53 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Nikolai Agnon wrote:This dev blog essentially says Linux gamers risk having their right to play revoked at any time for any reason at all, outside of their means to prevent. Playing EVE via Linux is unsupported. Do so at your own risk. [FYI, I'm a professional Linux OS developer. I play EVE using Windows 8.1.]
I'm pretty sure CCP dropped Linux client support in favor of support via Wine. I could be wrong. |
Rawthorm
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Posted - 2016.02.25 15:35:02 -
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Can anyone at CCP confirm if the timing of this rule "clarification" is down to CCP FoxFour looking for the door? As he is/was a contributor to EvE-O I'm wondering if this blog has been lurking in the shadows for quite some time. |
Rawthorm
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Posted - 2016.02.26 17:42:37 -
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Max Kolonko wrote:Praal wrote:Thank you for your answers! A few follow-ups
- One part of multiboxing window management is often removing the window border of a client (borderless window). Is this allowed as window management or banned as a modification of the client?
- Can you confirm if the non-gameplay uses of broadcasting specifically allowed In this dev post (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=387571) are still allowed now?
- Is your detection system able to differentiate between the availability / use of forbidden practices on the system (for other apps / games) and their use with the EVE client. For example:
- I have ISBoxer. I use it for window management only with EVE. I use it for window management and broadcasting with EverQuest (not at the same time). Are you able to recognize that my broadcasting config applies to a different game and the EVE client is not receiving / sending broadcasts?
- I have AutoHotkey and use it so speed-up certain work-related taks. If I have EVE running (but not being the focus window) and I use a hotkey which sends multiple keystrokes to a non-EVE app (say a telnet client), are you able to recognize that the 1-press-many-actions that happened did not involve the EVE client?
CCP does not minitor app You run, they just see keystrokes send to client faster than humanly possible, over and over and ban :)
Actually, the EULA states that CCP may monitor your system. That doesn't mean they do at the moment but they could be and you'd never know it.
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Rawthorm
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Posted - 2016.02.26 17:50:16 -
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Thanks for giving us some clarification. It shouldn't be a big job to change from Isboxer overlays, to just using it to tile clients in the smallest supported size. The end result will be slightly less optimal, but still quite usable. I am wondering however why the rather pedantic distinction? Was forcing us to go from a 1 x 8 client layout to a 2 x 4 client layout to avoid cutting up the displays really worth all this fuss? |
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