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Teium Purvanen
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.02.24 12:45:36 -
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Firstly, please accept my apologies for asking this question. I always hated "game dying" threads on other forums on past MMOs and they do nothing but stir up stories.
The reason I am unfortunately bring up the question is, I've seen a few posts on the forums and whilst reading up about the game in various places (I like to research a game before I play) that Eve is in decline and, for lack of a better word, "dying" (cringe).
I want to invest a lot of time and subscription money into Eve as I personally think it will fill the void I have for a good open world game.
They neh sayers are sadly making me question whether it is worth continuing.
Again, i'm truly sorry for this kind of post, but I would be grateful if someone could let me know what things are really like.
Appreciate your time :)
Teium
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
5895
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Posted - 2016.02.24 12:49:53 -
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http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
While we're down from January last year for concurrent connections, the current trend is upwards.
Woo! CSM X!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
14312
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Posted - 2016.02.24 12:53:31 -
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http://i.imgur.com/LtCk4fY.jpg
She's fine.
Better the Devil you know.
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Azda Ja
Meticulously Indifferent
4915
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Posted - 2016.02.24 13:03:42 -
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Not all changes to EVE are great sure, but to put it in perspective, EVE has been dying for what, 13 years now? Despite a hole heap of changes since birth. The new skill injectors are shaking things up in any case, many people are very happy about them, others extremely unhappy about it, some longtime posters have even deleted their characters over it (though I'd wager this is an extreme minority). The new Citadels are coming in a couple months, which is something people have been looking forward to for a very very long time (POS mechanics are dumb as ****). Capitals are also getting a massive rework to go along with citadels which should be interesting for a lot of vets as well.
From what I understand CCP seems to be doing okay financially, and EVE is their only real moneymaker so they have one hell of an incentive to keep it alive and kicking for a good while longer.
I think it very unlikely that EVE will just roll over and croak in the near future. I'm biased, but I say join up and enjoy.
Grrr.
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Teium Purvanen
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.02.24 13:14:31 -
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Thanks Steve, Ralph & Azda for your replies :)
Azda Ja wrote: but I say join up and enjoy.
Well I'm subbed at the moment, but I really wanted to pay a year in advance. I guess I was just believing everything that was being posted on the internet.......I feel ashamed lol
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Teium Purvanen
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.02.24 13:16:55 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:http://i.imgur.com/LtCk4fY.jpg
She's fine.
What was so bad that created that huge spike in 2010?
And Steve......What is a CSM (excuse my ignorance) |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
14315
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Posted - 2016.02.24 13:24:22 -
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incarna ,
before my time.
ccp nearly actually killed the game
Better the Devil you know.
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Memphis Baas
1191
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Posted - 2016.02.24 14:00:19 -
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CSM is the Council of Stellar Management; players go through elections (all active accounts vote) and form a Council which then gets special communication channels with CCP devs, and also visits to Reikjavik to discuss game development. We get a way to send our comments and wishes to CCP directly, they get some focused player feedback, and publicity.
The Incarna expansion was a huge disappointment and rage because of a number of reasons:
- CCP was only doing 2 major patches per year back then, rather than the monthly patches they have now.
- They chose to implement first person avatars, but instead of any functionality or gameplay they gave us 1 room that we couldn't exit and no functionality to the avatars other than walking around the room. And to do this, they had to increase the minimum system requirements. Behind the scenes, their HQ artists and devs took months to implement the 1 room, and then the graphics artists in their satellite office came in and added the other 3 races' rooms in a few hours, showing them up. The satellite office was later closed.
- There was also a leaked internal letter talking about their plans to introduce microtransactions and charge for everything; since it was an internal memo, it had unfiltered thoughts about charging us and revealed the company's greed (all businesses function on greed, but you don't let the customer see it).
- They released the NEX store, with overpriced clothing items ($1500 for a monocle on your avatar). |
Forum Toon
State War Academy
Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2016.02.24 14:13:33 -
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Memphis Baas wrote: ($1500 for a monocle on your avatar).
still cheaper then star citizen :)
_______________________________________________
Game runs for 13 years, getting upgraded monthly.
we had database upgrade today.
if there is one game I'm content to spend money on and be quiet without any fear of it shutting down it's eve.
And injectors \ extractors ownz. |
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
768
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Posted - 2016.02.24 14:29:29 -
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Eve is still trending up, but the old metric isn't as useful anymore. CCP used to brag about accounts and we used to watch active accounts on tranquility march up and up. But many accounts were really not extra players but alt accounts.
Then CCP introduced multi-account skilling. Since before you HAD to have multiple accounts if you wanted to train multiple characters, this reduced the need for many extra accounts. At that point active accounts began to decline. I've seen no indication that CCP has been suffering declining profits, and plex was well over double what it was before multi-account skilling came into effect.
This last major release has introduced skill extraction/injection. I expect another decline in active accounts, but people now have incentive to spend hundreds of dollars more on their accounts than ever before. So while there might be another decline in accounts as players start to use their alts as SP farms, EVE looks to have just become significantly more profitable per account.
So no, I really don't see eve dying. But I do forsee active accounts declining further, unless people decide that making new accounts for SP farms is a better option. So many characters are being cannibalized right now for SP it's not even funny.
My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
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Teium Purvanen
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.02.24 14:50:26 -
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Ok thanks guys,
Again this isn't an OMG EVE IS DYING thread.
Just wanted........i suppose reassurance......that I can invest long term into New Eden :)
Many thanks |
Ocean Ormand
Bagel and Lox
5
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Posted - 2016.02.24 15:06:06 -
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Teium Purvanen wrote:Firstly, please accept my apologies for asking this question. I always hated "game dying" threads on other forums on past MMOs and they do nothing but stir up stories.
The reason I am unfortunately bring up the question is, I've seen a few posts on the forums and whilst reading up about the game in various places (I like to research a game before I play) that Eve is in decline and, for lack of a better word, "dying" (cringe).
I want to invest a lot of time and subscription money into Eve as I personally think it will fill the void I have for a good open world game.
They neh sayers are sadly making me question whether it is worth continuing.
Again, i'm truly sorry for this kind of post, but I would be grateful if someone could let me know what things are really like.
Appreciate your time :)
Teium
2014 and 2015 were not good years for ccp with users seeming to be bleeding from the game. But Eve seems to have hit its floor. CCP appears to have finally got a handle on things with user numbers seeming to stabilize and actually trend upward. OFC CCP has a lot of up coming opportunities to screw things up. For instance, there appears to be some thought to making that horrible new camera mandatory. With CCP I just always assume the worst and when things turn out a little bit better then my expectations (e.g. i grew used to the new pac man icons), i'm happy.
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Pix Severus
Empty You
3201
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Posted - 2016.02.24 15:07:26 -
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Welcome to EVE!
My lord.
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Raz Eullon
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2016.02.24 15:54:57 -
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Well I've got most of my accounts paid for the next two years or longer. I do not think the game is going anywere. |
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
287
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Posted - 2016.02.24 17:31:42 -
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I can't speak for others but I'm currently bored and thinking of quitting. Game has always seemed to trend up since I started playing though so I don't think there's ever a bad time to start.
@lunettelulu7
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1185
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Posted - 2016.02.24 17:41:41 -
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I never understood these kinds of posts. A game is either fun to play or it is not. I fail to see what other people are doing has to do with if the game is fun or not. I understand that it is an MMO and you need other players but as long as there are at least over a certain minimum I fail to see how that matters.
A couple things that you should know about Eve:
Eve is one of the oldest MMOs. I came out about 6 months before WoW did.
Eve's numbers were on a slow steady climb for years and years until they flubbed the walking in stations patch a few years back. However since that time the game has been coming back as far as I know.
Eve has never been a huge game like WoW with 18 million subs. However with everyone playing in the same universe you have far more people to interact with than any other game's individual "realms" or servers or whatever you want to call them.
As a personal note on my real world experiences as an Eve player:
When people that I meet in the real world find out that I play Eve I often get reactions from people that have heard about or read about the game. What they have heard and read are always way far off from what the game really plays like. Usually they tell me things about the game that are the exact opposite of what the game is really like.
About Eve in general:
Eve is very very different from other MMOs. You can not apply anything that you have experienced from other MMOs to Eve. I would be willing to go into more depth on this if you like but I'm not going to write a text wall on the topic unless requested.
However what is more important is that to understand this game you need to play it. If you play the game and give it an honest try and don't like it what have you lost? I would say that you've not really "lost" anything.
If you would like to try the game mail me either in game or through Eve gate ( which is the same mail system ). I would be willing to give you a refer a friend code. Then you would get a 21 day trial. If you add one month I would get a PLEX that I would be willing to give to you in game so that would be another month. So basically for $15 you'd get 81 days of game time.
Also if you would like to talk about the game and how it is and such either post questions in this thread or again Eve mail me and we can figure out a way to get a conversation going. I'll gladly offer you any advice I have in what ever medium we can work out, mail, text, voice or whatever. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
14321
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Posted - 2016.02.24 17:46:41 -
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Lulu Lunette wrote:I can't speak for others but I'm currently bored and thinking of quitting. Game has always seemed to trend up since I started playing though so I don't think there's ever a bad time to start.
can i have your stuff ?
Better the Devil you know.
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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
287
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Posted - 2016.02.24 17:52:57 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Lulu Lunette wrote:I can't speak for others but I'm currently bored and thinking of quitting. Game has always seemed to trend up since I started playing though so I don't think there's ever a bad time to start. can i have your stuff ?
Good one!
@lunettelulu7
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Memphis Baas
1193
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Posted - 2016.02.24 18:27:49 -
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Lulu Lunette wrote:Good one! I just started using station containers a lot more than before; they are awesome!!! Can I borrow your stuff to put into storage and test my warehousing skills, and I'll give it back to you when you come back?
(  a bit more [effort] )
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
5772
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Posted - 2016.02.24 18:34:42 -
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EVE Death-o-Meter
EVE has been dying since launch in 2003. |
Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
200
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Posted - 2016.02.24 19:56:19 -
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It certainly has more players than back when I was playing a lot in 2004-5 and 2007. Back in those days, 18,000 logged on was a big Saturday night. Nowadays, it often gets over 30,000 logged on. Of course, there are more bots, more double accounts and the system does not log you off as fast as it used to, so you have to take that metric with a grain of salt.
The players are a lot more hard core and experienced than they used to be in the old days. So, if you are a newb, you are basically thrown in with the wolves. In the old days it was the reverse, most players were more casual and newbish and the old gray wolves were more on the sidelines.
Right now, things are pretty stable, except for the injector thing which is scaring people.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
14324
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Posted - 2016.02.24 20:14:41 -
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Droidster wrote:
except for the injector thing which is scaring people.
yeah iv seen people pitching fits over it and biomassing
but the only real net negative ive noticed is that character age is now meaningless as a gauge of your opponent.
that aside nothing has changed aside from some people no longer being around over principal.
Better the Devil you know.
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Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
39
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Posted - 2016.02.24 20:22:29 -
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There's no reason for it to 'die' and people that are saying it is are probably wishing it would because CCP is doing something to the game that they didn't like.
It's really a one of a kind game that you can't find elsewhere. I haven't seen so many die-hard fans around something like this since I was going to colleges and peoples homes to watch Anime about 3 decades ago. Then it became popular and now it's mainstream.
I am not saying EVE will ever make that transition, it has a lot of uphill battles it has to win before it can become a truly mainstream, heavy subscriber, MMO. It's current player base is one of those challenges. It's a very reactionary crowd and susceptible to a lot of in-fighting. I guess that's the nature of die-hard fans.
I tend to be a peacekeeper on most forums, however, I'm also not afraid to call it like I see it. I like EVE, but honestly, some of the "doom and gloom"-ers here on this forum are some of the worst of the breed I've seen. If the game has survived that kind of hand-wringing for 13 years then it'll be here for a lot longer...
I'm with those that say that you need to play for you, not for what other people say. The game is as much fun as you make of it, no matter what people say here on the forums... that includes me. Ignore me and just go have fun! |
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
770
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Posted - 2016.02.24 20:29:04 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:I never understood these kinds of posts. A game is either fun to play or it is not. I fail to see what other people are doing has to do with if the game is fun or not. I understand that it is an MMO and you need other players but as long as there are at least over a certain minimum I fail to see how that matters.
It's actually a legitimate question coming from a newbie. There have been many MMOs that came out and then died. Players that spent months or years developing a community find themselves cast adrift and nothing to show for that time invested.
It is actually always the main selling point I make about EvE. Unlike all these other games, Eve will be here 10 years from now, so it's ok to invest yourself in the game.
As long as CCP stays privately owned we can rely on EvE being CCP's baby. Now if CCP went publicly owned, then shareholders will appoint a new CEO with the mandate to whatever they have to to get more subscribers like "WoW."
My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
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J'Poll
Perkone
Caldari State
6350
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Posted - 2016.02.24 20:39:34 -
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EVE, the dying game since 2003.
P.s. dont believe 99% of what you read on the forums, SPECIALLY in GD
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J'Poll
Perkone
Caldari State
6350
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Posted - 2016.02.24 20:40:23 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:incarna ,
before my time.
ccp nearly actually killed the game
Pff, kids these days
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J'Poll
Perkone
Caldari State
6350
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Posted - 2016.02.24 20:42:44 -
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Ocean Ormand wrote:Teium Purvanen wrote:Firstly, please accept my apologies for asking this question. I always hated "game dying" threads on other forums on past MMOs and they do nothing but stir up stories.
The reason I am unfortunately bring up the question is, I've seen a few posts on the forums and whilst reading up about the game in various places (I like to research a game before I play) that Eve is in decline and, for lack of a better word, "dying" (cringe).
I want to invest a lot of time and subscription money into Eve as I personally think it will fill the void I have for a good open world game.
They neh sayers are sadly making me question whether it is worth continuing.
Again, i'm truly sorry for this kind of post, but I would be grateful if someone could let me know what things are really like.
Appreciate your time :)
Teium
2014 and 2015 were not good years for ccp with users seeming to be bleeding from the game. But Eve seems to have hit its floor. CCP appears to have finally got a handle on things with user numbers seeming to stabilize and actually trend upward. OFC CCP has a lot of up coming opportunities to screw things up. For instance, there appears to be some thought to making that horrible new camera mandatory. With CCP I just always assume the worst and when things turn out a little bit better then my expectations (e.g. i grew used to the new pac man icons), i'm happy.
Simple reason, less alt accounts due to multiple training queues.
I dropped a good bunch of accounts cause they were no longer needed to train the same amouny of characters
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J'Poll
Perkone
Caldari State
6350
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Posted - 2016.02.24 20:43:48 -
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Lulu Lunette wrote:I can't speak for others but I'm currently bored and thinking of quitting. Game has always seemed to trend up since I started playing though so I don't think there's ever a bad time to start.
If you are bored, it is your own fault. Not the game's fault cause it is a sandbox
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Azda Ja
Meticulously Indifferent
4919
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Posted - 2016.02.24 20:47:41 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Lulu Lunette wrote:I can't speak for others but I'm currently bored and thinking of quitting. Game has always seemed to trend up since I started playing though so I don't think there's ever a bad time to start. can i have your stuff ?
Sorry Rlaph, Lulu's stuff is mine as stipulated in Article X Section 7 of the Grand Vherokhior Astro Shaman's Stuff Distribution and Trade Committee. We are currently taking suggestions for a better name. There's rare hypoallergenic Fedos in it for the best entry.
Grrr.
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J'Poll
Perkone
Caldari State
6352
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Posted - 2016.02.24 20:49:59 -
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Azda Ja wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Lulu Lunette wrote:I can't speak for others but I'm currently bored and thinking of quitting. Game has always seemed to trend up since I started playing though so I don't think there's ever a bad time to start. can i have your stuff ? Sorry Rlaph, Lulu's stuff is mine as stipulated in Article X Section 7 of the Grand Vherokhior Astro Shaman's Stuff Distribution and Trade Committee. We are currently taking suggestions for a better name. There's rare hypoallergenic Fedos in it for the best entry.
How about:
The Committee for Unsuccesful at Everything Trustfund and Assets Aquisition
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