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Indahmawar Fazmarai 4790	Posted - 2016.02.26 07:59:07 - [1] - Quote http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/evelopedia-shutdown-2016-02-29-09-00/ Guess that it makes sense. First they removed the abbility to listen to the game's music with ingame tools. Then they removed the abbility to get game help from inside the game. Now they're removing the only company-developed information resource on the game functions and lore. EVE Online: with no user manual! No ingame support! And now without developer documentation on any damn thing in the game! Oh yes, the lore stuff will be relocated somewhere, sometime, somehow, yadda yadda yadda. Not a high priority, is it? And they've been very careful to consider it before handling all relevant documentation and information work to players, too. It's not as if a software developer had any responsibility in documenting the software it releases to customers, does it? CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now". 62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?" CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
Mag's Azn Empire 21333	Posted - 2016.02.26 08:08:55 - [2] - Quote Are you really surprised? Look at the whole forum debacle. Couldn't be bothered to port the history that came with the old forum, because :EFFORT:. That may also be lost at some point. This is just more of the same. Soulless. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
sero Hita Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 129	Posted - 2016.02.26 08:41:23 - [3] - Quote Mag's wrote: Are you really surprised? Look at the whole forum debacle. Couldn't be bothered to port the history that came with the old forum, because :EFFORT:. That may also be lost at some point. This is just more of the same. Soulless. Well they do mention the alternatives: CCp Falcon wrote: With the introduction of the new Help Center and the ever developing Flight Academy project from our Customer Support Team, as well as the amazing (and far more up to date) player run wikis out there such as the EVE University Wiki and the Brave Newbies wiki, plus the availability of more up to date static data from the EVE Universe via CREST, we feel that the EVElopedia's life cycle has run its course, and it is now time to move on from hosting it. It is not like you will be left with nothing. They said in the second last o7 show that they will expand on the Flight academy. I personally never used EVElopedia as I did not like the format and found it often outdated, for example finding the hull boni information. I instead used EVE uni, which is more up to date. For an example compare : EVElopedia UniWikia I know which one I find more informative. So I don't see the problem tbh? "I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Mag's Azn Empire 21333	Posted - 2016.02.26 08:58:56 - [4] - Quote Agreed, lazy. Also it's either bonus, or bonuses. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Arkoth 24 Phayder 61	Posted - 2016.02.26 09:00:24 - [5] - Quote I'm totally against EVElopedia shut down. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty outdated, but lack of users support is not a fault of the project or CCP team. For two years i used EVElopedia from in-game Help menu when a was looking for quick info on some sites, object and lore stuff. Replacing it with 3rd-party wikias will not help newcommers to make their first steps in New Eden. Really bad idea. If someone would be interested in making some sort of public petition - i'll totally support it.
Davos Seaworth Seaworth Capital Expenditure 2	Posted - 2016.02.26 09:26:48 - [6] - Quote I don't know.. 3 CCP devs are gone... closing the wiki.... squeezing money of player base.... signs of a sinking ship, if I worked at CCP EVE division I would start throwing resumes around.
Chopper Rollins Lantean Empire 1252	Posted - 2016.02.26 09:39:55 - [7] - Quote These actually are signs of a sinking ship. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2289	Posted - 2016.02.26 09:42:33 - [8] - Quote Davos Seaworth wrote: I don't know.. 3 CCP devs are gone... closing the wiki.... squeezing money of player base.... signs of a sinking ship, if I worked at CCP EVE division I would start throwing resumes around. Agree. Hey, even your avatar looks really worried! the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Mr Mieyli Hedion University Amarr Empire 245	Posted - 2016.02.26 09:53:25 - [9] - Quote I'm constantly shocked at the fact that CCP seem perfectly happy to let players do their work for them. For example people have been using out of game fitting tools all along, it doesn't make the game look finished when you need to use 3rd party programs. This closing of evelopedia doesn't surprise me anymore, if the Devs can get a similar end product out of us players without doing any work then they'll take the chance. It's just a good thing we have had such a dedicated community because I can't imagine CoD players writing countless websites on lore and mechanics, and CCP don't seem to want to either. I know this is supposed to be a sandbox where we make the content but surely we're not supposed to make everything else too? A case for more AoE in EvE
u3pog Ministerstvo na otbranata 721	Posted - 2016.02.26 09:55:48 - [10] - Quote Davos Seaworth wrote: I don't know.. 3 CCP devs are gone... closing the wiki.... squeezing money of player base.... signs of a sinking ship, if I worked at CCP EVE division I would start throwing resumes around. If the ship is sinking and they are squeezing money, then why are they buying new hardware (TQ Tech 3) and investing in it? Employees come and go, that's no sign of anything too. The game is changing sure, but you are not the first one to say "EVE is dying". Nothing and no one lasts forever, but the question is how long will EVE live? I just don't think it's time will come anytime soon.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 25958	Posted - 2016.02.26 11:13:11 - [11] - Quote Mr Mieyli wrote: I'm constantly shocked at the fact that CCP seem perfectly happy to let players do their work for them. For example people have been using out of game fitting tools all along, it doesn't make the game look finished when you need to use 3rd party programs. That practice harks back to the early days of home computing and associated gaming when games were left to the player to figure out, any instructions that accompanied them were very basic; anything more normally meant a primitive form of DRM like LensLok was being used. CCP aren't alone in doing it, user created help resources are nearly always better than the official ones. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Jacques d'Orleans The Scope Gallente Federation 2613	Posted - 2016.02.26 11:27:43 - [12] - Quote Expected the usual "Eve is dying" and "Eve is sinking" thread posts. Left satisfied. The beginning of the End Skill injectors? Attempting to give a shyte: 0.5%
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 5899	Posted - 2016.02.26 12:32:38 - [13] - Quote Davos Seaworth wrote: I don't know.. 3 CCP devs are gone... closing the wiki.... squeezing money of player base.... signs of a sinking ship, if I worked at CCP EVE division I would start throwing resumes around. 3 devs of how many? And do you know how many devs have joined CCP over the last year? Of course not, because no-one pays attention to that. They just want to whine and whine about people leaving. In other news: https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/evelopedia/index.php/Main_Page Woo! CSM X! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Ned Thomas Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 1826	Posted - 2016.02.26 12:48:34 - [14] - Quote Eh, big deal. The player run wikis are better resources anyway.
Davos Seaworth Seaworth Capital Expenditure 5	Posted - 2016.02.26 13:35:09 - [15] - Quote Im not saying CCP is dying. They just landed a big investment, what im saying is that they are cutting EVE Online resources and squeezing money from it to try make something else. It wouldn't surprise me that all that new T3 hardware is to push Valkyrie and very little gets used for EVE. Think about it... CCP the company is a one hit wonder.... after a while they just dont want to play the same tune anymore... But dont get me wrong I love this game and have actually spent a good chunk of my entertainment money on it i dont want to see it dwindle away. The amount of lore in there is significant and all that being swept away is disturbing... I think they dont give a f*k anymore about EVE and are praying for Valkyrie to be a hit.
Circumstantial Evidence 260	Posted - 2016.02.26 14:01:52 - [16] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: In other news: https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/evelopedia/index.php/Main_Page While it's a shame CCP has not funded a documentarian to follow the game designers around and keep the EVElopedia up to date, its an immense relief to know the state of the game as it was recorded there, won't be forgotten. Thanks so much for hosting an archive!
Ned Thomas Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 1827	Posted - 2016.02.26 14:44:54 - [17] - Quote Davos Seaworth wrote: Im not saying CCP is dying. They just landed a big investment, what im saying is that they are cutting EVE Online resources and squeezing money from it to try make something else. It wouldn't surprise me that all that new T3 hardware is to push Valkyrie and very little gets used for EVE. Think about it... CCP the company is a one hit wonder.... after a while they just dont want to play the same tune anymore... But dont get me wrong I love this game and have actually spent a good chunk of my entertainment money on it i dont want to see it dwindle away. The amount of lore in there is significant and all that being swept away is disturbing... I think they dont give a f*k anymore about EVE and are praying for Valkyrie to be a hit. They aren't cutting a resource, they're recognizing that their own Eve wiki is incredibly inferior to the player run ones and instead putting the effort to maintain it towards developing new resources such as Flight Academy. The lore is getting it's own special dedicated website. It's not as if its just evaporating into nothingness. The new server is for Eve. Valkyrie has it's own dedicated hardware that should already be in place for the launch of the Rift in March. The games work in significantly different ways so the hardware likely can't cross the two anyway. Of course they want the game to be a hit. I'd like to see it be a hit as a fan. You're completely disregarding the amount of work that's been done to Eve over the past year and completely ignoring the major work that is planned for release in the future just so you can say they don't care anymore. That's your problem to deal with. CCP has been a one hit wonder for over a decade and, amazingly, have survived. They even set a company record for profit last year despite the major investment into developing the VR assets (yes, they got a sizable injection of cash to help with that, but still). I think that about covers it.
Droidster Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 202	Posted - 2016.02.26 18:10:45 - [18] - Quote The EVElopedia has not seen too much input and editing from players as far as I can see. I tried adding some content to a page and it worked, so it is definitely a functional wiki. There is a restriction that the person must be logged on and have an EVE account in order to edit it. You cannot edit it anonymously. The information on sites (DED/unrated) is much better than that on the uniwiki so it is too bad it is going away. It is strange that the company thinks the site is a burden to maintain. I would think a wiki would be kind of an auto-pilot kind of thing.
Kaivar Lancer Federal Defense Union 731	Posted - 2016.02.26 18:13:02 - [19] - Quote Chopper Rollins wrote: These actually are signs of a sinking ship. Agreed. If they don't have the funds to even maintain a single wiki, things must be really bad at CCP.
Johan Civire Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1072	Posted - 2016.02.26 18:19:45 - [20] - Quote To bad but i can see why.
Annemariela Antonela Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out. 363	Posted - 2016.02.26 18:30:53 - [21] - Quote This is the end. We are doomed. GÇ£Culture is like a smog. To live within it, you must breathe some of it in and, inevitably, be contaminated.GÇ¥ GÇò Richard K. Morgan, Altered Carbon
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 1086	Posted - 2016.02.26 18:31:54 - [22] - Quote So, when a player puts in a support ticket about a game mechanic not working as it should, GMs are going to reference what precisely? A non-official Wiki that is fan supported, fan created, fan edited? And they expect that to be correct?
Kaivar Lancer Federal Defense Union 732	Posted - 2016.02.26 19:41:58 - [23] - Quote They can't hire an Indian for $5k / year to maintain the wiki? You can outsource these menial tasks for peanuts. Just how cash-strapped is this company?
Jagd Wilde The Scope Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2016.02.26 19:49:23 - [24] - Quote Doomed Guess i started too late. EvE R died.
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 1104	Posted - 2016.02.26 20:13:08 - [25] - Quote CCP always sucked at internet communication. In almost every regard. Who still remembers that player stories web project? Remove insurance.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 5907	Posted - 2016.02.26 20:22:08 - [26] - Quote Kaivar Lancer wrote: They can't hire an Indian for $5k / year to maintain the wiki? You can outsource these menial tasks for peanuts. Just how cash-strapped is this company? Not very. 20 million profit last year.(apparently) Woo! CSM X! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Indahmawar Fazmarai 4799	Posted - 2016.02.27 07:28:38 - [27] - Quote Droidster wrote: The EVElopedia has not seen too much input and editing from players as far as I can see. I tried adding some content to a page and it worked, so it is definitely a functional wiki. There is a restriction that the person must be logged on and have an EVE account in order to edit it. You cannot edit it anonymously. The information on sites (DED/unrated) is much better than that on the uniwiki so it is too bad it is going away. It is strange that the company thinks the site is a burden to maintain. I would think a wiki would be kind of an auto-pilot kind of thing. Well, historically CCP has had issues with documenting stuff. Many of the issues with old code come from the fact that nobody documented it, so new developers must do a forensic examination and retroengineer it to figure what's going on and how to work with it. That is compounded by how most of the old code was written as stackless Python, which is a very flexible coding tool but also haves an habit of hiding everything within black boxes.CCP develeped EVE with too little people in too litle time and too little budget, and so they had to cut the effort. Documenting software takes away time from coding, so they went for fully coding and no documenting. Fast forward 13 years. Development processes have changed, have evolved, but some things never were learned. Now CCP is using Agile development, which is a fast way to code but requires extensive control and documentation. So we must suppose that now with Agile develpment stuff gets documented internally, yet that's just a guess. Some Glassdoor reviews point that CCP's development still is chaotic and mismanaged to the point that sometimes a team will destroy the ongoing work of another team. That is related with other CCP issues, lack of middle mnagement and itnernla promotion (essential for agile development) and cliqueism (detrimental for everything skill related). Enter customers/players. They don't need to know the code, just how to use it. That requires that someone CCP gathered all information of all teams working on code, plus backtraced every functioning system (undocumented) and its evolution (when and if and how was it updated) to establish a "image" of the status of the game in a given date. This, while the game keeps evolving at a frantic pace of change-of-the-month. It would be difficult since old undocumented code is old and undocumented, but would be the only way in which CCP could serve well the users of their software by providing an authoritative and updated source of information. Regretfully, EVElopedia likely was "that guy's idea", which was implemented "back then" and once "that guy" quit, nobody ever looked onto it. Probably because it was -huh- undocumented. Players also are disincentivized to document stuff; certain mechanics can be used for profit and advantage, and sharing them publicly would remove the advantage.The incentives for documenting "everything you kow" are small and probably nobody wants to share but the bare basics... and now they'll be certain that CCP won't go out explaining stuff like "how to set up an Alliance" (just to mention a real case I was involved with). We can bet that the shiny-new-idea being implemented (flight acadamey or whatever) will cover just some of the basics, will never go any further with really old stuff and will languish over time since, hey, players already are doing a better job than CCP could bother itself to do... CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now". 62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?" CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 4771	Posted - 2016.02.27 07:41:56 - [28] - Quote Well, while it was nice to have the wiki in my early days in the game I got most information from other sources. One paper I found a player had collected a bunch of data on stacking penalties then fitted some models and derived the equation that CCP used for stacking penalties. Rather impressive bit of work. "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1950	Posted - 2016.02.27 07:52:01 - [29] - Quote To be honest it's a resource I've actively avoided using for certain purposes due to often being incomplete and out of date. I remember when the tier 3 BCs were released and not being able to find any info on them for months. Then later the ship rebalances started kicking into gear. EVElopedia started having the same update issue on a much wider scale. As a repository of info that didn't change very often if ever it does tend to have info which is useful and not present even in other wikis, but the lack of it going forward will likely see that info populated in other resources. Sad to see it go for what it did have and for the lack of an official resource this creates, but not all that sad since the official resource was often not the best for many uses. Would prefer some more dedication to it, but I suppose this keeps the lack of updates from becoming misinformation from an official resource from another route. Not sure I like the idea of flight academy videos being a replacement for easily searchable text resources on mechanics either...
admiral root Red Galaxy 3652	Posted - 2016.02.27 08:36:00 - [30] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: Kaivar Lancer wrote: They can't hire an Indian for $5k / year to maintain the wiki? You can outsource these menial tasks for peanuts. Just how cash-strapped is this company? Not very. 20 million profit last year.(apparently) Pfff, get your darn facts out of this thread. Dont you know the sky is falling? No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff CODE. forum - everyone's welcome (no shiptoasters)
Tavin Aikisen Phoenix Naval Operations Phoenix Naval Systems 381	Posted - 2016.02.27 08:52:09 - [31] - Quote Because f*** the lore and context, right? "Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home." -Cold Wind
Wanda Fayne 144	Posted - 2016.02.27 09:22:24 - [32] - Quote Boo. If anyone can port the records and upload for posterity... I'll toss in a plex for them.
Arkarli Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2016.02.27 11:26:56 - [33] - Quote Yeah... I'm not thrilled about this. EVE is a complex game and when I started playing EVElopedia was really useful. I think CCP should be updating their wiki not shutting it down. Its just lucky the EVE community has produced a huge amount of publicly available information about the game themselves. The quieter you become, the more you are able to hear.
ISD Buldath ISD STAR 336	Posted - 2016.02.28 19:40:14 - [34] - Quote Quote: 6. Racism and discrimination are prohibited. Racism, gender stereotyping, hate speech, and sexism are not permitted on the EVE Online Forums. Derogatory posting that includes race, religion or sexual preference based personal attacks and trolling can result in immediate suspension of forum posting privileges. I have Removed the offending post, and those quoting it. ~ISD Buldath Interstellar Services Department Support, Training and Resources Division Lt. Commander
Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance 741	Posted - 2016.02.28 23:34:18 - [35] - Quote Droidster wrote: The EVElopedia has not seen too much input and editing from players as far as I can see. I tried adding some content to a page and it worked, so it is definitely a functional wiki. There is a restriction that the person must be logged on and have an EVE account in order to edit it. You cannot edit it anonymously. The information on sites (DED/unrated) is much better than that on the uniwiki so it is too bad it is going away. It is strange that the company thinks the site is a burden to maintain. I would think a wiki would be kind of an auto-pilot kind of thing. There are still geocities sites out there - true relics of the 90s - haunting traps catching the unwary and reminding them of the dark days when every chancer loaded their sites with gifs and embedded music clips. I don't think it's a matter of cost. Evelopedia is being closed probably just because it was an outdated competitor to other sites and it was making newbies confused about using other sites or the zombified official one. Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
Talvorian Dex Repercussus Violence of Action. 77	Posted - 2016.02.29 03:30:36 - [36] - Quote Well, the portion I used most often were the cosmic signature ratting guides. I've copied over the data from Evelopedia and am in the process of standardizing the formatting of them (including listing escalations on the same page as the original unrated sites that produce them) and posting them on my blog, in a separate page for easy reference. You can find it at http://targetcaller.blogspot.com/p/cosmic-signature-ratting-guide.html, where it will be long-term. Writer of Target Caller, an Eve Online PvP blog, at http://targetcaller.blogspot.com
Oraac Ensor 673	Posted - 2016.02.29 05:26:27 - [37] - Quote Ned Thomas wrote: Eh, big deal. The player run wikis are better resources anyway. EVElopedia is, or rather was, a player-run wiki.
Ibutho Inkosi Irubo Kovu 203	Posted - 2016.02.29 06:14:04 - [38] - Quote Look at it this way. (scratch that). Look at it that way! As long as the tale of the hunt is told by the hunter, and not the lion, it will favor the hunter.
Oraac Ensor 673	Posted - 2016.02.29 06:19:45 - [39] - Quote nvm
Nick Bete The Scope Gallente Federation 398	Posted - 2016.02.29 17:01:44 - [40] - Quote Tavin Aikisen wrote: Because f*** the lore and context, right? This. I kind of doubt that Eve Uni or Brave give a tinkers damn about the lore and backstory. Their purpose is to teach newbs how to do stuff and possibly not get killed. Also, why the hell should I have to turn to third party sites in order to find out information that should be OFFICIAL, CCP AUTHORED and DEFINITIVE? Oh well, it's not like CCP likes using its own official communication channels that much anyway. Now off to follow Reddit, Twitter, Tweetfleet, etc. so I can find out what's happening in Eve...
Forum Toon State War Academy Caldari State 46	Posted - 2016.02.29 21:02:54 - [41] - Quote any chance to get the data of the wiki so we can migrate it to mirror?
Faryl Hanaya Faire des Tas 0	Posted - 2016.02.29 21:16:15 - [42] - Quote Came back to Eve on the 25th. Did not notice this information about the shutdown. Spent 5h updating my personnal character RP sheet on Evelopedia during the last TQ down. And of course, the dump was done on the 25th so I can't find it back there... Well, my bad I guess. But can we at least know if those "In character" RP pages will be transfered in this so call new plateform as well ? I was hopping to leave a mark in the lore with that. Would be most disappointed if it were to just..disappear.
Zifrian Licentia Ex Vereor Phoebe Freeport Republic 1708	Posted - 2016.02.29 21:26:11 - [43] - Quote sero Hita wrote: Mag's wrote: Are you really surprised? Look at the whole forum debacle. Couldn't be bothered to port the history that came with the old forum, because :EFFORT:. That may also be lost at some point. This is just more of the same. Soulless. Well they do mention the alternatives: CCp Falcon wrote: With the introduction of the new Help Center and the ever developing Flight Academy project from our Customer Support Team, as well as the amazing (and far more up to date) player run wikis out there such as the EVE University Wiki and the Brave Newbies wiki, plus the availability of more up to date static data from the EVE Universe via CREST, we feel that the EVElopedia's life cycle has run its course, and it is now time to move on from hosting it. It is not like you will be left with nothing. They said in the second last o7 show that they will expand on the Flight academy. I personally never used EVElopedia as I did not like the format and found it often outdated, for example finding the hull boni information. I instead used EVE uni, which is more up to date. For an example compare : EVElopedia UniWikia I know which one I find more informative. So I don't see the problem tbh? In a way you are left with nothing. CCP has been relying more and more on players to provide the information to play its game. Furthermore, look at third party support and it's also relying on players to write its documentation and provide solutions to things like not having a consistent Database format saying "third party devs are a resourceful bunch!" As someone who is part of this community, that is a poor model of sevice. Why? Because we get burned out doing stuff for a game we pay for, get little recognition for, and have to deal with a CCP changing its decisions constantly - then we stop developing/updating/and contributing. What does that leave the player base? Not nothing but pretty close. For this change, look at the justification - brave newbies wiki. Brave was the hot ticket last year but they have waned recently. What happens when they decide to close up shop? What about Eve uni? For third party support, what happens when someone like Steve decides to quit playing? I'm not saying that CCP shouldn't use players to support their game, but they really need to provide some consistncy and reliable support to how they use it. Having one central wiki should be kept and supported for this reason. GÇ£Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do.GÇ¥ - Dale Carnegie Industry guy, third-party developer, jack-of-all-trades - master of none Maximze your Industry Potential! - Download EVE Isk per Hour!
ugh zug 107	Posted - 2016.02.29 22:46:02 - [44] - Quote eve came from the generation of mmos that let the players figure it out on their own with no hand holding.. mmos these days spoil all their players with loads of useful information that they take for granted. i remember back in the day, it was up to the players to share information, or not to share and keep it to gain advantage over their fellow man. i applaud ccps effort in saving money err i mean bringing the community closer together. Want me to shut up? Remove content from my post,1B. Remove my content from a thread I have started 2B.
Ida Aurlien The Soul Society DeepSpace. 69	Posted - 2016.02.29 23:12:59 - [45] - Quote There updates again kill us all and. constant changing of the game are not making it player friendly,but making it very hard to continually change focus in the game. idk hard to follow a game that constantly changes
Annie Getyourgun Snow Leopard Situs 26	Posted - 2016.02.29 23:55:37 - [46] - Quote They might want to warn folks that the Brave Dojo pages lean much harder towards a Mature rating rather than Teen. One of my favorites is on the Fleet Basics page under "Scatter", "Starburst".
Soltys Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 97	Posted - 2016.03.01 01:16:06 - [47] - Quote Well, while lots of the stuff was brutally outdated, there were also lots of quite useful information there nowhere to be found anywhere else And that's quite a loss, as it's basically disappeared - until someone makes a use of that sql dump. Jita Flipping Inc.: Solmp / Kovl
Indahmawar Fazmarai 4825	Posted - 2016.03.01 07:42:23 - [48] - Quote Zifrian wrote: sero Hita wrote: Mag's wrote: Are you really surprised? Look at the whole forum debacle. Couldn't be bothered to port the history that came with the old forum, because :EFFORT:. That may also be lost at some point. This is just more of the same. Soulless. Well they do mention the alternatives: CCp Falcon wrote: With the introduction of the new Help Center and the ever developing Flight Academy project from our Customer Support Team, as well as the amazing (and far more up to date) player run wikis out there such as the EVE University Wiki and the Brave Newbies wiki, plus the availability of more up to date static data from the EVE Universe via CREST, we feel that the EVElopedia's life cycle has run its course, and it is now time to move on from hosting it. It is not like you will be left with nothing. They said in the second last o7 show that they will expand on the Flight academy. I personally never used EVElopedia as I did not like the format and found it often outdated, for example finding the hull boni information. I instead used EVE uni, which is more up to date. For an example compare : EVElopedia UniWikia I know which one I find more informative. So I don't see the problem tbh? In a way you are left with nothing. CCP has been relying more and more on players to provide the information to play its game. Furthermore, look at third party support and it's also relying on players to write its documentation and provide solutions to things like not having a consistent Database format saying "third party devs are a resourceful bunch!" As someone who is part of this community, that is a poor model of service. Why? Because we get burned out doing stuff for a game we pay for, get little recognition for, and have to deal with a CCP changing its decisions constantly - then we stop developing/updating/and contributing. What does that leave the player base? Not nothing but pretty close. For this change, look at the justification - brave newbies wiki. Brave was the hot ticket last year but they have waned recently. What happens when they decide to close up shop? What about Eve uni? For third party support, what happens when someone like Steve decides to quit playing? I'm not saying that CCP shouldn't use players to support their game, but they really need to provide some consistency and reliable support to how they use it. Having one central wiki should be kept and supported for this reason. Without consistency you get a complete hodgepodge of resources, which are never complete or localized. Now just wait if CCP adds F2P to EVE and the community is "gifted" with literally hordes of F2P noobs -that will be the end of the community and eventually of the game. CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now". 62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?" CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 6000	Posted - 2016.03.01 08:01:23 - [49] - Quote What about the lush world we always could indulge in, co-created with players? How accessible is the knowledge of the days past.... And the scrolls are now scattered and hidden. Good I rescued Arek'Jaalan scrolls. ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Arkoth 24 Phayder 74	Posted - 2016.03.01 09:18:02 - [50] - Quote I'll just leave it here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=471662&find=unread
Zander Kumamato The Chaos Void 46	Posted - 2016.03.01 09:19:05 - [51] - Quote "EVElopedia has been discontinued" One of the Worst DecisionsGäó ever. CCP just keeps taking things away... I don't pay you to REMOVE things. I pay you to ADD things.
Jaantrag 43	Posted - 2016.03.01 09:23:45 - [52] - Quote so .. yesterday for some reason wanted to check some info from the bookmarked wiki page .. and BOOM the wiki is closed and notice about the close was made serval days before ... isint there like a industry standard of 30 days for stuff like that ???? .. forward page from the wiki ipoints to serval fan made wiki pages .. first thing there is the introductions of these pages owners or so .. how much isk do they pay for the adverts ? why not just keep the hole thing read only mode for some time till u get the help center up and running .. (really dont like the format of that anyway ...
Kooch Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1	Posted - 2016.03.01 09:48:40 - [53] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Droidster wrote: The EVElopedia has not seen too much input and editing from players as far as I can see. I tried adding some content to a page and it worked, so it is definitely a functional wiki. There is a restriction that the person must be logged on and have an EVE account in order to edit it. You cannot edit it anonymously. The information on sites (DED/unrated) is much better than that on the uniwiki so it is too bad it is going away. It is strange that the company thinks the site is a burden to maintain. I would think a wiki would be kind of an auto-pilot kind of thing. Well, historically CCP has had issues with documenting stuff. Many of the issues with old code come from the fact that nobody documented it, so new developers must do a forensic examination and retroengineer it to figure what's going on and how to work with it. That is compounded by how most of the old code was written as stackless Python, which is a very flexible coding tool but also haves an habit of hiding everything within black boxes.CCP develeped EVE with too little people in too litle time and too little budget, and so they had to cut the effort. Documenting software takes away time from coding, so they went for fully coding and no documenting. Fast forward 13 years. Development processes have changed, have evolved, but some things never were learned. Now CCP is using Agile development, which is a fast way to code but requires extensive control and documentation. So we must suppose that now with Agile develpment stuff gets documented internally, yet that's just a guess. Some Glassdoor reviews point that CCP's development still is chaotic and mismanaged to the point that sometimes a team will destroy the ongoing work of another team. That is related with other CCP issues, lack of middle management and internal promotion (essential for agile development) and cliqueism (detrimental for everything skill related). Enter customers/players. They don't need to know the code, just how to use it. That requires that someone CCP gathered all information of all teams working on code, plus backtraced every functioning system (undocumented) and its evolution (when and if and how was it updated) to establish a "image" of the status of the game in a given date. This, while the game keeps evolving at a frantic pace of change-of-the-month. It would be difficult since old undocumented code is old and undocumented, but would be the only way in which CCP could serve well the users of their software by providing an authoritative and updated source of information. Regretfully, EVElopedia likely was "that guy's idea", which was implemented "back then" and once "that guy" quit, nobody ever looked onto it. Probably because it was -huh- undocumented. Players also are disincentivized to document stuff; certain mechanics can be used for profit and advantage, and sharing them publicly would remove the advantage.The incentives for documenting "everything you know" are small and probably nobody wants to share but the bare basics... and now they'll be certain that CCP won't go out explaining stuff like "how to set up an Alliance" (just to mention a real case I was involved with). We can bet that the shiny-new-idea being implemented (flight academy or whatever) will cover just some of the basics, will never go any further with really old stuff and will languish over time since, hey, players already are doing a better job than CCP could bother itself to do... Having worked in environments like this before, I can attest to this, but man looking at CCP's glassdoor makes me really uneasy to be a subscriber. Looks like leadership needs to change or things are just going to get worse. It's a shame really.
Suzanne Khale Khale Privateer 6	Posted - 2016.03.01 09:50:09 - [54] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: Davos Seaworth wrote: I don't know.. 3 CCP devs are gone... closing the wiki.... squeezing money of player base.... signs of a sinking ship, if I worked at CCP EVE division I would start throwing resumes around. 3 devs of how many? And do you know how many devs have joined CCP over the last year? Of course not, because no-one pays attention to that. They just want to whine and whine about people leaving. In other news: https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/evelopedia/index.php/Main_Page To stay in topic: You deleted probably hundreds of pages of informations, some outdated but some very useful, and replaced it how? Wormholes new help, just an example: https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203209772-Wormholes Click it and tell me if you find it adequated. Really, this is outraging. Just put an advice on Evelopedia "These infomations may be outdated". You removed one of the best support tool for newbies. Sure Help chat works, but it's not that you can get the same amount of information from written pages. You are just creating a wall between veterans and new entries.
Kooch Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1	Posted - 2016.03.01 09:52:36 - [55] - Quote Kooch wrote: Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: [quote=Droidster]The EVElopedia has not seen too much input and editing from players as far as I can see. I tried adding some content to a page and it worked, so it is definitely a functional wiki. There is a restriction that the person must be logged on and have an EVE account in order to edit it. You cannot edit it anonymously. The information on sites (DED/unrated) is much better than that on the uniwiki so it is too bad it is going away. It is strange that the company thinks the site is a burden to maintain. I would think a wiki would be kind of an auto-pilot kind of thing. Well, historically CCP has had issues with documenting stuff. Many of the issues with old code come from the fact that nobody documented it, so new developers must do a forensic examination and retroengineer it to figure what's going on and how to work with it. That is compounded by how most of the old code was written as stackless Python, which is a very flexible coding tool but also haves an habit of hiding everything within black boxes.CCP develeped EVE with too little people in too litle time and too little budget, and so they had to cut the effort. Documenting software takes away time from coding, so they went for fully coding and no documenting. Fast forward 13 years. Development processes have changed, have evolved, but some things never were learned. Now CCP is using Agile development, which is a fast way to code but requires extensive control and documentation. So we must suppose that now with Agile develpment stuff gets documented internally, yet that's just a guess. Some Glassdoor reviews point that CCP's development still is chaotic and mismanaged to the point that sometimes a team will destroy the ongoing work of another team. That is related with other CCP issues, lack of middle management and internal promotion (essential for agile development) and cliqueism (detrimental for everything skill related). Enter customers/players. They don't need to know the code, just how to use it. That requires that someone CCP gathered all information of all teams working on code, plus backtraced every functioning system (undocumented) and its evolution (when and if and how was it updated) to establish a "image" of the status of the game in a given date. This, while the game keeps evolving at a frantic pace of change-of-the-month. It would be difficult since old undocumented code is old and undocumented, but would be the only way in which CCP could serve well the users of their software by providing an authoritative and updated source of information. Regretfully, EVElopedia likely was "that guy's idea", which was implemented "back then" and once "that guy" quit, nobody ever looked onto it. Probably because it was -huh- undocumented. Players also are disincentivized to document stuff; certain mechanics can be used for profit and advantage, and sharing them publicly would remove the advantage.The incentives for documenting "everything you know" are small and probably nobody wants to share but the bare basics... and now they'll be certain that CCP won't go out explaining stuff like "how to set up an Alliance" (just to mention a real case I was involved with). We can bet that the shiny-new-idea being implemented (flight academy or whatever) will cover just some of the basics, will never go any further with really old stuff and will languish over time since, hey, players already are doing a better job than CCP could bother itself to do... Having worked in environments like this before, I can attest to this, but man looking at CCP's glassdoor makes me really uneasy to be a subscriber. Looks like leadership needs to change or things are just going to get worse. It's a shame really. Looking at some of these reviews, it really shows.. American management from EA has been brought in to gut the studio. In less than a year this went from a stellar place to work, to absolutely terrible. - Senior Programmer in Reykjav+¡k (Iceland) Granted I take online reviews with a grain of salt, but it's a lot of reviews that give you a peek at what's happening/happened internally.
Theo Sotken Mother Knows Best Corporation 43	Posted - 2016.03.01 10:09:26 - [56] - Quote I just saw the Ice Mining video on the flight academy. LOL. It kind of reminded me of when CCP lead all the highsec players into nullsec. Fitting a covetor for ice mining for new players? I can't see anything wrong with that!
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 6011	Posted - 2016.03.01 14:02:55 - [57] - Quote Quote: Many of the issues with old code come from the fact that nobody documented it Hahaha, you know, in one article CCP dev stated that he sees Icelanders as a makeshift culture. You can access that article from german speaking forums or german part of EVE site. ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Indahmawar Fazmarai 4827	Posted - 2016.03.01 14:51:07 - [58] - Quote Nana Skalski wrote: Quote: Many of the issues with old code come from the fact that nobody documented it Hahaha, you know, in one article CCP dev stated that he sees Icelanders as a makeshift culture. You can access that article from german speaking forums or german part of EVE site. That's something in common with Spain, actually. The abbility to improvise a solution with whatever resources are in hand but also the habit of never expecting pretty expectable things, that is, never being ready because of neglect. A Spaniard is someone who can drive a nail with pliers because he forgot to bring a hammer. CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now". 62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?" CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 6015	Posted - 2016.03.01 15:34:10 - [59] - Quote Sorry, i mean culture of makeshift. Its here. CCP Phantom wrote: Good preparation and adequate planning are also rare because often things are done in quick-fix method to the last minute. ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Blind Brother Backwater Redux Tactical Narcotics Team 3	Posted - 2016.03.01 18:42:26 - [60] - Quote While there were only a few pages I bookmarked and used in the Evelopedia, I'm a little annoyed at how every search I do for EVE Online now has dead links in the top five searches. Is there someway you guys can get the now defunct web address removed from searches or do we have to wait for everyone to learn not to click those links so they'll decay naturally knowing they'll just lead to a naked space-butt guy and make me feel like I just got EVE-Rick-Rolled and podded?
Indahmawar Fazmarai 4827	Posted - 2016.03.01 20:39:29 - [61] - Quote Nana Skalski wrote: Sorry, i mean culture of makeshift. Its here. CCP Phantom wrote: Good preparation and adequate planning are also rare because often things are done in quick-fix method to the last minute. I think we're talking about the same thing with different words. "Improvised" = "makeshift". CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now". 62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?" CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
REE POMANIUS Heaven's Harvesters 0	Posted - 2016.03.05 18:48:26 - [62] - Quote EVE is a great game. A lifestyle really. With the discontinuation of Evelopedia I have started thinking about EVE and how I play it and have decided to share these musings. When you review Eve Offline (eve-offline.net) and look at the average pilots per period you see the trend: All: 37K 5y: 46K 1y: 33K 6m: 30K 3m: 26K 1m: 22K The question is, how does CCP reverse that trend? Eve University is an excellent site and I have used it on occasion, the Planetary Interaction pages there are well thought out and well organized. I have used it begrudgingly (see below). I have not used the Brave Newbies site. As with all sites setup and run by a player corp/alliance, I don't like using them as it gives them intel on me, my IP address etc (think about it next time your client disconnects). It's also interesting that CCP would advocate such a site as it shows some favor or special status to one player faction. This seems like it would alienate some players. EVE Fitting Tool is one of those "indispensable" 3rd party tools that I begrudgingly use. Seems that this type of functionality should just be part of the game. Download at your peril as all the warnings say. In Evelopedia, I found the details on anomalies very useful although as others have pointed out, often outdated. The trigger and escalation information documented for each anomaly were critical. The Evelopedia/wiki type format make sense for the documentation required for a game as complex as EVE. More often than not when I advocate the game to other gamers they tend to scoff and mention something about "spreadsheets in space", or just kindof stare in amazement. It's difficult to recruit new players. Without a cogent documentation site I feel that task just got harder. The Flight Academy channel on Youtube is awesome and this type of documentation is clearly trending (has been for more than a year really). But it doesn't fulfill the need for the reference type information that a committed player needs. By committed I mean someone who would be part of the 22K (hopefully plus) average players online stat ... after 3-6 months. The question really isn't why are they discontinuing Evelopedia but rather why was CCP unable to maintain their own software documentation site? Like all things software, "rewrites" and "do-overs" tend to eventually win out over dedicated system and software maintenance. I hope it's just that they are investing in a better documentation system that supports both new and experienced players alike. Without it, I sadly assert the trend will continue. Doing my best to promote my game, REE POMANIUS
Droidster Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 221	Posted - 2016.03.05 21:08:15 - [63] - Quote Kooch wrote: Looking at some of these reviews, it really shows... Quote: American management from EA has been brought in to gut the studio. In less than a year this went from a stellar place to work, to absolutely terrible. Granted I take online reviews with a grain of salt, but it's a lot of reviews that give you a peek at what's happening/happened internally. Whoa, whoa, whoa, EA is in Iceland? That's a joke right?
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 6170	Posted - 2016.03.05 21:36:32 - [64] - Quote Lore. ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Primary This Rifter 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 1142	Posted - 2016.03.05 21:50:06 - [65] - Quote CCP, what about information for developers that you had on Evelopedia? https://developers.eveonline.com/resource/resources has several links to EVElopedia. Let's see... equations? Dead link. Common SDE queries? Nope, dead link. Getting started with CREST? Nope. CREST libraries documentation? lol no
alindak Kahoudi Viziam Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2016.03.05 21:51:30 - [66] - Quote What I can really Wrap my head around is the fact that WEGÇÖRE FU^&NG PAYING THESE PEOPLE!!!!! ITS NOT FREE, WEGÇÖRE PAYING A DAMN SUBSCRIPTION and this is a basic service, the most basic support service, the digital GÇ£instruction bookletGÇ¥ of the damn game! Yet some stupid ppl out there think that we should be ever thankful of everything CCP throws our way, otherwise iGÇÖm labeled as GÇ£ SELF ENTITLEDGÇ¥ well, self entitled my 4ss, I pay for a service and I expect that service to be decent. IF YOUGÇÖRE MAKING MULTI-MILLIONS OFF OF A COMMUNITY FOR OVER 20 YEARS, donGÇÖt be so CHEAP and remove the wiki cause you have to pay some ppl to upkeep that sh1t...
Shiloh Templeton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 503	Posted - 2016.03.05 21:59:59 - [67] - Quote I'm really missing all the hyperlinks to signatures and anomalies as I go about combat exploration. Having worked in IT I know how important user documentation is - even if most developers enjoy doing it about as much as quality control testing. The thing that is really galling is how there was no notice. This decrease in customer support (in the era of new player experience lip service) should have had at least a 6 month advance notice. Poor decision CCP.
MERSEE AMWAH Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2016.03.05 23:33:12 - [68] - Quote Unbelievable....... What an absolutely, incredibly dumb thing to do. And the way it was done is equally as stupid. Just lost respect for you CCP....thanks to whoever made that decision.
Darkblad 7	Posted - 2016.03.05 23:59:40 - [69] - Quote Shiloh Templeton wrote: I'm really missing all the hyperlinks to signatures and anomalies as I go about combat exploration. (noted here as well) ExplorationSites (no Ghost Sites): http://schildwall.phbv3.de/scansites.html#english Event Agents (all kinds) http://schildwall.phbv3.de/basics/event_agents.html Switch language at the top right of the page and note that there are more columns to the right in both tables! Former links to the evelopedia now link to Steve Ronuken's https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/evelopedia/index.php/Main_Page instead But there are also links to other sources of informations, like eve-survival for the majority of W-Space sites. NPE-ISD-Übersetzt!
Elwha Lynx The Senate and People of Rome Kids With Guns Alliance 10	Posted - 2016.03.08 19:06:10 - [70] - Quote Disappointing as well. Eve is one of the most complex games there is and lack of in-game documentation one of the greatest obstacles for newer players--seeing evewiki go works directly against a fulfilling new player experience. I hope they consider moving towards an open source wiki model.
Krieg Austern 2	Posted - 2016.03.08 20:11:40 - [71] - Quote So many dead links in Google now when searching for something. Sure some of it was out of date, but generally speaking, it had a ton of convenient info, and well indexed too. Wish they would let someone else host it, or export the data so we could integrate into another wiki easily.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 5936	Posted - 2016.03.08 22:55:05 - [72] - Quote Elwha Lynx wrote: Disappointing as well. Eve is one of the most complex games there is and lack of in-game documentation one of the greatest obstacles for newer players--seeing evewiki go works directly against a fulfilling new player experience. I hope they consider moving towards an open source wiki model. You know evelopedia was open for player edits, right? And that, in the end, players just didn't update it? I'm running again for CSM 11, and I'd appreciate your vote. Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Lulu Lunette ThinkTank Phoenix TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance 307	Posted - 2016.03.09 00:17:07 - [73] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: Elwha Lynx wrote: Disappointing as well. Eve is one of the most complex games there is and lack of in-game documentation one of the greatest obstacles for newer players--seeing evewiki go works directly against a fulfilling new player experience. I hope they consider moving towards an open source wiki model. You know evelopedia was open for player edits, right? And that, in the end, players just didn't update it? Let's get rid of the forums too then since we got reddit. @lunettelulu7
Arkoth 24 Phayder 130	Posted - 2016.03.09 08:44:09 - [74] - Quote Krieg Austern wrote: So many dead links in Google now when searching for something. Sure some of it was out of date, but generally speaking, it had a ton of convenient info, and well indexed too. Wish they would let someone else host it, or export the data so we could integrate into another wiki easily. For now we got a working snapshot of EvElopedia on Wayback Machine - i put it in OP of this thread . Anyway, restoring EvElopedia by hands somewhere else will be a real pain, and it will be just another "3rd party wiki". So it would be better to convince CCP to bring it back to life - if it's still an option.
Joia Crenca Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 271	Posted - 2016.03.10 17:08:45 - [75] - Quote Primary This Rifter wrote: CCP, what about information for developers that you had on Evelopedia? https://developers.eveonline.com/resource/resources has several links to EVElopedia. Let's see... equations? Dead link. Common SDE queries? Nope, dead link. Getting started with CREST? Nope. CREST libraries documentation? lol no Yes I know I could probably access these from the Internet Archive or the hosted backups, but the links are still dead. Furthermore, where are you planning on providing this information in the future? They didn't provide an alternate way to get to the developer information for 3rd parties... yet they think 3rd parties should support EVE?
Joia Crenca Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 271	Posted - 2016.03.10 17:12:04 - [76] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: Elwha Lynx wrote: Disappointing as well. Eve is one of the most complex games there is and lack of in-game documentation one of the greatest obstacles for newer players--seeing evewiki go works directly against a fulfilling new player experience. I hope they consider moving towards an open source wiki model. You know evelopedia was open for player edits, right? And that, in the end, players just didn't update it? There's more to the story, right? A player shouldn't just edit at will and change EVE's lore on a whim, so it'd need to be overseen by CCP, at least. I appreciate your site hosting a version of things, but in the end, you could just shut it down and leave us with nothing, kind of like what CCP is doing. With CCP, supposedly, they would be amenable to player desires in order to keep the players onboard EVE.
Joia Crenca Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 271	Posted - 2016.03.10 17:17:29 - [77] - Quote Droidster wrote: Kooch wrote: Looking at some of these reviews, it really shows... Quote: American management from EA has been brought in to gut the studio. In less than a year this went from a stellar place to work, to absolutely terrible. Granted I take online reviews with a grain of salt, but it's a lot of reviews that give you a peek at what's happening/happened internally. Whoa, whoa, whoa, EA is in Iceland? That's a joke right? I don't know about 'in Iceland', but there seems to be an ongoing relationship between CCP and EA. I don't know how much that has to do with CCP top level's somewhat poor treatment of their players.
Saint Athanasius Trigentia Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2016.03.10 17:46:12 - [78] - Quote As just another F1 masher, I rarely went to the wiki. If I wanted to know something about the game, I asked corpmates or went to the Eve University site. The Eve Wiki information was far too sparse and often outdated to be of any real use. I'd like to see an official home for the lore and for the CREST/API documentation still, but the rest wasn't worth keeping.
Renegade Heart Renegade Empire 545	Posted - 2016.03.10 20:14:51 - [79] - Quote Primary This Rifter wrote: CCP, what about information for developers that you had on Evelopedia? Yes I think it is a real shame to see it all gone like that. Archive
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 5940	Posted - 2016.03.10 22:04:10 - [80] - Quote Joia Crenca wrote: Droidster wrote: Kooch wrote: Looking at some of these reviews, it really shows... Quote: American management from EA has been brought in to gut the studio. In less than a year this went from a stellar place to work, to absolutely terrible. Granted I take online reviews with a grain of salt, but it's a lot of reviews that give you a peek at what's happening/happened internally. Whoa, whoa, whoa, EA is in Iceland? That's a joke right? I don't know about 'in Iceland', but there seems to be an ongoing relationship between CCP and EA. I don't know how much that has to do with CCP top level's somewhat poor treatment of their players. On going relationship between CCP and EA = They've hired a few people who used to work for EA. Did you know that one of Iceland's major exports is Aluminium? I'm running again for CSM 11, and I'd appreciate your vote. Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Geronimo McVain Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2016.03.11 09:29:21 - [81] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: You know evelopedia was open for player edits, right? And that, in the end, players just didn't update it? Thats not the job of the players it's the job of CCP! In Europe everything has to come with a manual! There are laws that enforce this so I'm not even 100% sure if it's legale to distribute EVE without a manual. I don't think that you would appreciate it if Microsoft skips the help in Office just because there are a lot of good office side. Or your car or chainsaw has no manual since you can look up things in the I-net. It's even not saving so much, because the developers have to write down how things are supposed to work anyway. Documentation is a must have. With a good CMS they could do this and create a manual with just a little extra work. In the end it's a stupid business tactic to relay on fan sides. Battleclinic shut down, whats plan B if the same thing happens to UniWiki? IMHO UniWiki is a lot slower since the death of Evelopedia probably because of the extra load. We are talking about the most complex computer game on Earth and there is no manual except some videos? It's the players job to play the game and to have fun and he is paying, this isn't free to play, CCP to do the tedious jobs like programming new contend AND making a manual! So in the end the players have to pay twice for eve because I doubt that UniWiki gets the servers etc. for free just to help out CCP. Whats prohibiting UniWiki to reduce the costs by just making UniWiki internal only for uni members?
Arkoth 24 Phayder 133	Posted - 2016.03.11 09:47:53 - [82] - Quote For now we got more than 80 pilots signed Open Petition Against EVElopedia Closure . Not much in compare to several thousands playerbase. I ask everyone who cares to sign it and say why do you need official information resource of EVE to be back. At least we may get CCP's official "NO WAY!" and go home then.
Indahmawar Fazmarai 4906	Posted - 2016.03.11 13:55:44 - [83] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: Elwha Lynx wrote: Disappointing as well. Eve is one of the most complex games there is and lack of in-game documentation one of the greatest obstacles for newer players--seeing evewiki go works directly against a fulfilling new player experience. I hope they consider moving towards an open source wiki model. You know evelopedia was open for player edits, right? And that, in the end, players just didn't update it? Why should players do CCP's job to document CCP's software? When did CCP stop being responsible of documenting the software they release to users? CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now". 62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?" CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"

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