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Pottsey
Gallente
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.02.05 20:32:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 05/02/2007 20:32:53
You do know Gallente can do the same type of passive tank only they also deal high damage look at the new BC. More so due to the new T2 shield relays. ItÆs not a Caldari thing only.
I do find it a little doubtful this was done with a random setup but if you mail me the details [email protected] or eve mail I will confirm if itÆs possible. Total DPS from the rats and the tank would be nice. If you want I might be able to get a clone down and watch.
I can see the Drake tanking everything but surly the DPS solo would be to low?
You say the support jumped through was it healing the tanked ship?
EDIT: Opps I see the support was the solo tank.
EDIT4: No still confused your saying the support ship was fitted highs and lows for damage? ShouldnÆt a support ship be fitted for remote healing or cap or some sort of buffing?
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Pottsey
Gallente
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.02.05 20:45:00 -
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Gang assist?
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Pottsey
Gallente
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.02.05 20:45:00 -
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Gang assist?
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Pottsey
Gallente
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.02.05 20:58:00 -
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Sounds impressive to me simply because they improvised and pulled it off. Lots of people would have failed or just warped out if most of the gang didnÆt make the jump though.
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Pottsey
Gallente
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.02.08 21:08:00 -
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The short version is he is telling the truth and its possible.
The long version after going though the emails and data is its possible but a people having different definitions is what caused the various disagreements.
First the passive tank was not solo and could not sit there 24/7 tanking everything. There was support from other ships along the lines of firepower and gang assist though wasnÆt clear if resistance was being boosted or not but hitpoints where. To reduce damage the ship kited the rats with the range reducing damage enough to tank long enough for the other ships to kill. I havenÆt worked out the resistance in detail but a very rough estimate is 90 to 95%+ added with high hitpoints mean the passive tank absorbed the rats damage long enough for the other ships to kill the rats. If the support ships took to long to kill the passive tank would have collapsed and the ship blown up. In fact this happened right at the very end when it had to warp out but shortly before the last rat was killed.
Now the ship didnÆt have the best choice of hardeners or even setup as it was not a 100% tank setup but his lowest resistance the rats hit would have been over 90% and the highest over 95% as an estimate so even though he didnÆt have the best choice it was more then enough.
ItÆs true the pilot didnÆt have uber skills or implants but they where not poor by a long shot. Mostly lv 4 skills but T2 equipment used. So good but room for improvement. 1 T1 rig installed. Its hard to say more without giving away details I promised I would not, but it was very generic ship without any super rare on.
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Pottsey
Gallente
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.02.08 22:51:00 -
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ôPottsey you said they released T2 Shield Relays. You mean T2 SPR are now in the game ?ö
Yes they are out but with a tiny nerf only a 24% boost now but I cannot complain the old stats where to powerfull.
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Pottsey
Gallente
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.02.09 07:24:00 -
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öOriginally by: twit brent
Lets see you passive shield tank this baby. Its the blood raiders 10/10. As soon as you land you are webbed arround 50 times by arround 12 stasis turrets and arround 10 frigsö.
/roleplay mode: Set on
It might be possible with a Prototype recharge ship like http://www.dissonance-corp.com/Files/33secdomi.JPG but itÆs my only one and I cannot risk it on such a low profit adventure. Losing it would set my research back months if not longer. Perhaps once itÆs stable and mass produced we can see.
/roleplay mode: Set off
On a more serious as the above ship would last about 1 second surly if a passive tank has double or triple the hitpoints then you have double or triple the time to get your friends remote healing you 9 sec on the amour tank isnÆt long but 27 seconds on the passive tank is more doable. I donÆt see why it wouldnÆt be doable as long as enough friends remote shield boost you.
ô Originally by: Deathbarrage
getting those resistances requires like 5 hardeners... and he only has BC lvl 4 rememberö
No it doesnÆt as lvl 5 BC only means he lost 5%. You can pull it off with 2 or 3 hardeners my Eos without a built in 25% resistance hits those resistance levels.
If he had lvl 5 BC and the right hardeners it would have been higher that and I did estimate them so I might have been a few % off. DonÆt forget there was mention of gang assist which is another 22.5% resistance bonus perhaps more in it was on a the right ship.
öOriginally by: CreEDLom
Thank you Pottsey. I can't wait to buy em. About how much the going for?ö
80 to 100 mill per unit.
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Pottsey
Gallente
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.02.11 09:41:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 11/02/2007 09:39:59
ôStop the one-ship tanking nonsense by giving NPC's a modicum of intelligence - make them randomly switch fire to other targets (as well as making them fewer but harder, i.e nearer to player ship capabilities).ö
Noo, please donÆt bring that back it was a complete disaster last time. It made simple low level mission impossible for drone pilots a 50mill skillpoint Battleship domi pilot could fail a lvl 1 mission and support pilots died all the time let alone complexÆs or lvl 4Æs.
Drones used to fly to the rats and all the rats changed targets and killed the drones. Missions where just impossible as a drone pilot. Support pilots in logistical support ships also became useless. Those where the two ships I fly last the change was used.
Now if they randomly changed targets or better yet used AI to chose targets but didnÆt target support ships or drone it might work.
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