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Emmerlaine Gallente Crab and Krawdad Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:42:00 - [1] (this is an alt, obviously) Man, I knew Caldari was easy mode but I didn't appreciate how much. Yesterday some friends of mine went to run a 10/10 complex. Several BSs including one super-tanked one and a bunch of support. I was listening on TS. One of the support happened to be holding the key and accidentally activated the gate before the super-tank and another BS were there. The support jumped through anyway since the key was used up and one guy, in a drake, decided he would try tanking in his support setup. The guy passive tanked the whole 10/10 for everyone while they completed all stages. His drake didn't even have the right hardeners on and was fitted highs and lows for damage. The guy just threw an afterburner and some shield extenders in the mids cause he didn't know what else to do and he was able to tank an entire 10/10 complex by himself. (Also, the character does not have uber skills or implants, and no rigs were involved.) Every day I wish I could go back to the start of EVE and choose Caldari instead ... especially when every patch they make shield tanks better. Good grief!
Valandril Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:43:00 - [2] Edited by: Valandril on 05/02/2007 19:40:03 And yday charlie the unicorn jumped into my house U nerver even saw 10/10 plex, so stop faking info. thanks -------- Don't like my post ? Mail me Flamedrone II belonging to Valandril perfectly strikes you, wrecking your topic.
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:49:00 - [3] yeah... drakes are more like minnie battleships with cruiser recharge stats and a built-in resistance that doesn't suffer from stacking penalties. it already was too evil on sissi but tux alwyas said he'd *****anything in his hurricane whenever somebody mentioned it.
Emmerlaine Gallente Crab and Krawdad Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:50:00 - [4] Edited by: Emmerlaine on 05/02/2007 19:47:27 Originally by: Valandril Edited by: Valandril on 05/02/2007 19:40:03 And yday charlie the unicorn jumped into my house U nerver even saw 10/10 plex, so stop faking info. thanks Umm... wow. Nice Response from the Caldari faction. Just for those who are actually interested in what happened. The description in the original post is exactly true. I ran the same plex earlier in the day with a team and we needed remote rep support for the armor tank - who had max skills and 6 race-specific t2 hardeners. I didn't go the second time because we wanted to let people run it who hadn't before.
J Valkor	Posted - 2007.02.05 20:01:00 - [5] Edited by: J Valkor on 05/02/2007 19:58:48 You are expecting us to believe that a passive tanked Drake with out the proper resistances tanked the entirety of a 10/10 complex? That a 10/10 complex will deal less DPS then the fourth stage of Pirate Slaughter? Man, why don't I go around soloing 10/10 complexes in a Nighthawk if it is that easy You are posting as an alt to purposely try and incite flaming over what you feel is an unfair PVE advantage. There is absolutely nothing to back up your claim and I have seen trolls try and create flame wars over much more believable things then this.
Valandril Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.02.05 20:08:00 - [6] Edited by: Valandril on 05/02/2007 20:04:46 nvm -------- Don't like my post ? Mail me Flamedrone II belonging to Valandril perfectly strikes you, wrecking your topic.
Emmerlaine Gallente Crab and Krawdad Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.05 20:15:00 - [7] Originally by: J Valkor Edited by: J Valkor on 05/02/2007 19:58:48 You are posting as an alt to purposely try and incite flaming over what you feel is an unfair PVE advantage. There is absolutely nothing to back up your claim and I have seen trolls try and create flame wars over much more believable things then this. Well, I wasn't expecting this response. The freakin original post is all fact, the only reason I'm alt posting is to avoid embarassing the guy who accidentally triggered the gate and/or giving other alliances a chance to figure out how we manage plex ops. I hadn't realized how organized the Caldari players were with smacking down anybody who posts information not to their liking. I don't care enough to argue with each of you and frankly, can't win since there is no level of proof you would accept. If Pottsey or some other credible EVE persona posts here as an impartial third party I could let them know what plex, and who the people involved were, and who my main is. Heck, maybe we could supply journal logs to show the guys was actually running the plex and he could testify to what happened. I saw his ship go in, I heard the whole thing on TS. The saddest part is half the people reading this will believe the smacktards.
king jks New Age Solutions	Posted - 2007.02.05 20:17:00 - [8] lol ------------------------ Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. -Albert Einstein
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.02.05 20:24:00 - [9] Well, this is kind of second-hand info, and cloudy at best. Like, for instance, how many ships DID get into the complex (apparently, there were "several BSs and bunch of support", so the damage of the group should have been pretty high), and did the Drake solo-tank everything, or was he also getting some amount of remote shield repair too (drones, arrays) ? Also, last but not least, what where you guys fighting and what hardners did the guy have on ? I mean, you do say "not the right hardners", but that could just as well mean EM+invul for all I know. I do not dispute that it's possible, even with a suboptimal setup, given the right circumstances... but you do have to take all the other things into account when saying "oh, how easy it is to be Caldari". P.S. What's the skill-time diference for an older pilot between any other battlecruiser and a Drake ? Right, about 3 days to get into, and depending on what you were flying before, between a couple of minutes (Minnies) and maybe a couple of months tops (Amarr) to "fly it right". _ MySkills \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Emmerlaine Gallente Crab and Krawdad Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.05 20:30:00 - [10] Originally by: Akita T Well, this is kind of second-hand info, and cloudy at best. Like, for instance, how many ships DID get into the complex (apparently, there were "several BSs and bunch of support", so the damage of the group should have been pretty high), and did the Drake solo-tank everything, or was he also getting some amount of remote shield repair too (drones, arrays) ? Also, last but not least, what where you guys fighting and what hardners did the guy have on ? I mean, you do say "not the right hardners", but that could just as well mean EM+invul for all I know. I do not dispute that it's possible, even with a suboptimal setup, given the right circumstances... but you do have to take all the other things into account when saying "oh, how easy it is to be Caldari". P.S. What's the skill-time diference for an older pilot between any other battlecruiser and a Drake ? Right, about 3 days to get into, and depending on what you were flying before, between a couple of minutes (Minnies) and maybe a couple of months tops (Amarr) to "fly it right". I don't have the full setup at hand. From the amount of shield he was citing I think he may have been all extenders (plus AB), no hardeners. Something over 20k shields as I recall. They did wait for recharge between stages, so presumably he was getting pretty low on shield. No shield rep drones, no remote shield boosting was used. He had 2 BCs and 1 BS to help kill the rats, as I recall. From my experience that would still leave him tanking about 10 min per room. You're entirely right, I could convert to Caldari. Perhaps I need to give up on my tens of millions of skillpoints in Large guns and flying ships of the other races and armor tanking and just go start training missiles launchers and Caldari ships. Something makes it hard to admit it's all been a waste, though.
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2007.02.05 20:31:00 - [11] I bet a Shield Power Relay II that it was a Serpentis Complex. They are partly Gallente, and when they saw the marvel of technology that every Caldari Ship is, they all surrendered.
Pottsey Gallente Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2007.02.05 20:32:00 - [12] Edited by: Pottsey on 05/02/2007 20:32:53 You do know Gallente can do the same type of passive tank only they also deal high damage look at the new BC. More so due to the new T2 shield relays. ItÆs not a Caldari thing only. I do find it a little doubtful this was done with a random setup but if you mail me the details [email protected] or eve mail I will confirm if itÆs possible. Total DPS from the rats and the tank would be nice. If you want I might be able to get a clone down and watch. I can see the Drake tanking everything but surly the DPS solo would be to low? You say the support jumped through was it healing the tanked ship? EDIT: Opps I see the support was the solo tank. EDIT4: No still confused your saying the support ship was fitted highs and lows for damage? ShouldnÆt a support ship be fitted for remote healing or cap or some sort of buffing? Passive shield tanking guide click here
Phraust Byt3	Posted - 2007.02.05 20:38:00 - [13] Originally by: Emmerlaine (this is an alt, obviously) Man, I knew Caldari was easy mode but I didn't appreciate how much. Yesterday some friends of mine went to run a 10/10 complex. Several BSs including one super-tanked one and a bunch of support. I was listening on TS. One of the support happened to be holding the key and accidentally activated the gate before the super-tank and another BS were there. 6The support jumped through anyway since the key was used up and one guy, in a drake, decided he would try tanking in his support setup. The guy passive tanked the whole 10/10 for everyone while they completed all stages. His drake didn't even have the right hardeners on and was fitted highs and lows for damage. The guy just threw an afterburner and some shield extenders in the mids cause he didn't know what else to do and he was able to tank an entire 10/10 complex by himself. (Also, the character does not have uber skills or implants, and no rigs were involved.) Every day I wish I could go back to the start of EVE and choose Caldari instead ... especially when every patch they make shield tanks better. Good grief! Please include the following in reply to this reply: 1) The system in which the complex was in. 2) The name of the complex 3) The type of NPC's you were fighting 4) The name of your main character 5) The name of the tank in question 6) Said tanks exact setup/loadout Thx.
Christopher Dalran	Posted - 2007.02.05 20:43:00 - [14] let up guys, theres alot of variets between plex's so the one they were at may very well have had alot less ships than ones you have done in the past.
Christopher Dalran	Posted - 2007.02.05 20:43:00 - [15] let up guys, theres alot of variets between plex's so the one they were at may very well have had alot less ships than ones you have done in the past.
Emmerlaine Gallente Crab and Krawdad Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.05 20:45:00 - [16] Originally by: Phraust Byt3 Please include the following in reply to this reply: 1) The system in which the complex was in. 2) The name of the complex 3) The type of NPC's you were fighting 4) The name of your main character 5) The name of the tank in question 6) Said tanks exact setup/loadout Thx. Try reading the thread. I'm not going to specify to whole forums who was involved for the reasons already given.
Pottsey Gallente Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2007.02.05 20:45:00 - [17] Gang assist? Passive shield tanking guide click here
Emmerlaine Gallente Crab and Krawdad Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.05 20:45:00 - [18] Originally by: Phraust Byt3 Please include the following in reply to this reply: 1) The system in which the complex was in. 2) The name of the complex 3) The type of NPC's you were fighting 4) The name of your main character 5) The name of the tank in question 6) Said tanks exact setup/loadout Thx. Try reading the thread. I'm not going to specify to whole forums who was involved for the reasons already given.
Pottsey Gallente Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2007.02.05 20:45:00 - [19] Gang assist? Passive shield tanking guide click here
Emmerlaine Gallente Crab and Krawdad Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.05 20:50:00 - [20] Originally by: Pottsey Edited by: Pottsey on 05/02/2007 20:32:53 You do know Gallente can do the same type of passive tank only they also deal high damage look at the new BC. More so due to the new T2 shield relays. ItÆs not a Caldari thing only. I do find it a little doubtful this was done with a random setup but if you mail me the details email removed or eve mail I will confirm if itÆs possible. Total DPS from the rats and the tank would be nice. If you want I might be able to get a clone down and watch. I can see the Drake tanking everything but surly the DPS solo would be to low? You say the support jumped through was it healing the tanked ship? EDIT: Opps I see the support was the solo tank. EDIT4: No still confused your saying the support ship was fitted highs and lows for damage? ShouldnÆt a support ship be fitted for remote healing or cap or some sort of buffing? Hi Pottsey! I'm a big fan of the analytical nature of your work. I have to get home from work and try to catch the relevant guys online to get permission and setup, but I should be able to put you in touch with the player who did the tanking and so on. I don't have the exact DPS of the levels but I know most of the NPCS types and can guess numbers and estimate DPS for you from the NPC database. Mostly I just wanted to put the datapoint out there that this was possible. I was quite surprised. I am aware Gallente ships can be passive shield tanked. I clearly need to dump a few months into shield skills
Emmerlaine Gallente Crab and Krawdad Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.05 20:51:00 - [21] Originally by: Pottsey Gang assist? Yes, the guy who couldn't get his super tank in was providing shield resist gang bonus and stayed in space to do so. No gang module though.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.02.05 20:51:00 - [22] Originally by: Emmerlaine I don't have the full setup at hand. From the amount of shield he was citing I think he may have been all extenders (plus AB), no hardeners. Something over 20k shields as I recall. I can only assume he had 4 large T2 extenders, 1 AB, one invul, two BCUs and two PDUs, that should put him a bit over 20k shield and with a peak recharge of around 70 shield/second (average probably around 40 per second across the stage). Originally by: Emmerlaine They did wait for recharge between stages, so presumably he was getting pretty low on shield. No shield rep drones, no remote shield boosting was used. He had 2 BCs and 1 BS to help kill the rats, as I recall. From my experience that would still leave him tanking about 10 min per room. Or in other words, the enemy had to go through at best 40k worth of raw hitpoints just to get the shields down that fast, plus whatever resists he might have had. Even assuming it was an Angel complex, that might just mean he was able to sustain more than 100k worth of raw damage, if not more, say 120k even. That's still only about 200 incoming raw DPS, which is pretty pathetic from what you'd expect from a 10/10 complex. All in all, nothing impressive, meaning nothing any other armor-tanked ship couldn't have handled easily too. It was all about teamwork (focused fire) and avoiding damage through speed (supposedly he had his AB perma-running, and he wasn't sitting still, or was he) and even with those extenders, lower sig (compared to a BS, that is). A passive shield-tanked Myrmidon with blasters (or rails) could have done the same, and deal even more damage in the process to the enemy. Just ask Pottsey. And I can only guess the same would have applied to a properly armor-tanked BS with AB on. _ MySkills \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Pottsey Gallente Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2007.02.05 20:58:00 - [23] Sounds impressive to me simply because they improvised and pulled it off. Lots of people would have failed or just warped out if most of the gang didnÆt make the jump though. Passive shield tanking guide click here
KillerOfMacros	Posted - 2007.02.05 21:25:00 - [24] Edited by: KillerOfMacros on 05/02/2007 21:23:43 Here let me fill in a few of the details you asked about. 1 It was a passively tanked Drake (BC4) with 20+K shields (before gang bonus 23K after [seige warfare 5]) 2 Therm II / Kin II / Invuln II / 3 Shield Extender II 3 There were a total of 6 pilots, 4 got in 2 didn't: The drake, 2 ravens and hurricane - the other 2 pilots (left outside) Raven and Megathron 4 He managed to kite the spawns to minimize damage 5 He did warp out in structure on the last stage, but they got the boss/loot and all the good bounties
wiatros Gallente Phantom Squad iPOD Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.05 22:11:00 - [25] hello yesterday i was roaming with my velator in the forge, screaming furiously yaaarrr in local. after like hour of goofing here and there i accidentally clicked gate to jita. then i saw a bright flash, and a ghosty-looking ship that was the size of a planet spoke to me with grave'ish voice. he said his name is lagspike, and that he was send by his father, nodecrasher, to desintegrate this system (jita), to make it sink in chaos. and only the chosen one can stop this evil plan by finishing 12/10 complex full of spawns from hell. he said that he was watching me for a long time, and then he said: "dare you to pick up the challenge ? you can save all trapped in jita souls, but remember, if you fail, you will join them and you wount be able to warp or dock again" i said "plz no, mister", but he scammed me and a second after i saw myself surrounded by 12 millions red crosses. i was angry, i was mad. a feeling of fury was born deep inside me. i started to ctr+clicking targets on overview, my left hand was focusing on pushin f1 and f2, then f1 and f2, all over again. then i saw one red cross exploded, then another one, and another. every kill made me faster, my shots were more precise... after a while my civilian blaster just melted. damn poor-azz technology i thought, and i continued to shoot with my miner mk1. yellow beam of that module was just chewing enemies armour. then i think i just lost my consciousness, i totally gave myself into bloody rage. all i remember is that i woke up in jita, close to a gate. all seemd casual and first thing i thought of was that i need to stop using boosters, cause the sign on their package seemd right. they definitely f00k up ur mind... i checked local and i saw many ppl. many happy ppl. every one had smile on their avatar. i didnt realised whats going on. i decided to warp to station and dock. i clicked warp button, and after one second my ship started to align. i was totally amazed, and then it hit me: i made it. it was all true. i saved jita... guys, srsly i made it, ok ?
MrRookie Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.02.05 22:38:00 - [26] Originally by: wiatros hello yesterday i was roaming with my velator in the forge, screaming furiously yaaarrr in local. after like hour of goofing here and there i accidentally clicked gate to jita. then i saw a bright flash, and a ghosty-looking ship that was the size of a planet spoke to me with grave'ish voice. he said his name is lagspike, and that he was send by his father, nodecrasher, to desintegrate this system (jita), to make it sink in chaos. and only the chosen one can stop this evil plan by finishing 12/10 complex full of spawns from hell. he said that he was watching me for a long time, and then he said: "dare you to pick up the challenge ? you can save all trapped in jita souls, but remember, if you fail, you will join them and you wount be able to warp or dock again" i said "plz no, mister", but he scammed me and a second after i saw myself surrounded by 12 millions red crosses. i was angry, i was mad. a feeling of fury was born deep inside me. i started to ctr+clicking targets on overview, my left hand was focusing on pushin f1 and f2, then f1 and f2, all over again. then i saw one red cross exploded, then another one, and another. every kill made me faster, my shots were more precise... after a while my civilian blaster just melted. damn poor-azz technology i thought, and i continued to shoot with my miner mk1. yellow beam of that module was just chewing enemies armour. then i think i just lost my consciousness, i totally gave myself into bloody rage. all i remember is that i woke up in jita, close to a gate. all seemd casual and first thing i thought of was that i need to stop using boosters, cause the sign on their package seemd right. they definitely f00k up ur mind... i checked local and i saw many ppl. many happy ppl. every one had smile on their avatar. i didnt realised whats going on. i decided to warp to station and dock. i clicked warp button, and after one second my ship started to align. i was totally amazed, and then it hit me: i made it. it was all true. i saved jita... guys, srsly i made it, ok ? \/ Good job. I find you more reliable than the OP sig nurfed
echosix qc	Posted - 2007.02.05 22:39:00 - [27] i saved jita... guys, srsly i made it, ok ? Next time, try the drake and kill Concord, BoB and RA because, apparentlt, you can do it whit the drake to the OP, im a drake pilot whit 10M SP so don't be absurd
Pottsey's CloneBx1	Posted - 2007.02.05 22:47:00 - [28] Edited by: Pottsey''s CloneBx1 on 05/02/2007 22:43:46 This seems totaly possible as there was only 1 ship tanking but multiple ships killing the rats. I think people think itÆs impossible as they think its 1 ship soloing, tanking and killing. Due to the extra ships killing I donÆt see why so many people refuse to believe it.
Kusotarre Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.05 22:50:00 - [29] OP is obviously full of ****.
korrey Taurus Inc	Posted - 2007.02.05 22:57:00 - [30] Originally by: Pottsey's CloneBx1 Edited by: Pottsey''s CloneBx1 on 05/02/2007 22:43:46 This seems totaly possible as there was only 1 ship tanking but multiple ships killing the rats. I think people think itÆs impossible as they think its 1 ship soloing, tanking and killing. Due to the extra ships killing I donÆt see why so many people refuse to believe it. No matter how fast you kill the rats, the sheer DPS hit from the second the rats started firing until they were all dead would easily kill a 20k passive shield tanked Drake 3 times over. Its not as simple as stated in the OP's post. With 100% high grade faction gear? I would believe that...then again who would put faction gear on a T1 BC...(maybe others would ) ----------- 24.01.06 Small patch that addresses some minor balancing issues 1) All minmatar pilots have been deleted

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