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Recluse Viramor
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.06 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Vadoc Trax Who knows, there might be more monuments out there each time a Titan is destroyed. As for wondering how to get to the wreck, it will probably show up on the overview so you can warp there. Although I doubt many people will be seeing it since they will only get shot at.
I believe thats the plan, every time a titan is downed its wreck will be permanent.
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.06 20:13:00 -
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At the rate Motherships and Titans are dying, CCP might not be able to handle that. _________________________ ~Thor Xian, Material Defender
"For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One."
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Shiraz Merlot
Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.07 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Smagd Nice, and original, but there's already another one that I much prefer:
Originally by: Zeno Kang With apologies to Shelley,
I met a traveller from a distant star Who said:ùTwo vast and wingless halves of a hull Float in the void. Near them by the asteroids, Half burned, a frozÆn corpse drifts, whose frown And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command Tell that the pilot, well those passions read Which yet survive, stamp'd on this lifeless thing, The hand that mock'd them and the heart that fed. And on the prow these words appear: "My name is Avatar, titan of titans: Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!" Nothing beside remains: round the decay Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare, The mute and blinking stars stretch far away.
PS: I'd go travel there and watch it.
Sent a shiver right up my spine.
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Mordenkainan
Caldari Lone Gunmen
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Posted - 2007.02.07 00:36:00 -
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Nice monument.
To the tinfoil brigade: It was the first Titan to die, whether it was loggofksi, his comp crashing or anything else, it was still the first to go down.
Props to CCP for the memorial (hope it does come in), props to BoB n ASCN for fighting it out.
Stop posting crap - at least CCP have the balls as developers to do this thing.
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Jennie Marlboro
No Quarter. C0VEN
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Posted - 2007.02.07 00:50:00 -
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Originally by: Mordenkainan Nice monument.
To the tinfoil brigade: It was the first Titan to die, whether it was loggofksi, his comp crashing or anything else, it was still the first to go down.
Props to CCP for the memorial (hope it does come in), props to BoB n ASCN for fighting it out.
Stop posting crap - at least CCP have the balls as developers to do this thing.
Signed.
This is a persistent MMORPG universe, and having something "permanent" to remember ASCN by -- and BoB, too, after it falls -- is fitting.
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Serilla
The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.07 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: Thor Xian At the rate Motherships and Titans are dying, CCP might not be able to handle that.
Cyvok is the only person to lose a super capital thus far (at least that I'm aware of) so the loss rate isn't exactly high __________________
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Shardiss
JCI Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.02.07 02:57:00 -
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Edited by: Shardiss on 07/02/2007 02:53:11
I'm pretty sure Thor Xian was making a joke at CCP's expense, Serilla.
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.07 09:23:00 -
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_________________________ ~Thor Xian, Material Defender
"For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One."
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.07 09:27:00 -
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Kunming
Outcasts
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Posted - 2007.02.07 09:35:00 -
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Cool, that'll be an interesting landmark to visit
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Fi T'Zeh
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: Serilla
Originally by: Thor Xian At the rate Motherships and Titans are dying, CCP might not be able to handle that.
Cyvok is the only person to lose a super capital thus far (at least that I'm aware of) so the loss rate isn't exactly high
I suspect your irony sensors need a quick overhaul. ....
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: dalman But tbfh I don't see why you want a monument for blowing up a logged off ship - is that really something you're proud of? If I'd been a FC in BoB I would have been gutted at the fact I never got the chance to kill the titan in a real battle (though I ofc would have proceeded to destroy the logged ship as the goal was to win a war).
I know damn well that I'm biased (and so is everyone), but I'd think I have a point that people on 'your side' could agree with :s
Maybe you should start looking at it from an rp sense than a real world sense and the answer will become blatantly clear.
For a long time in eve, the players of this game have managed to separate rl from ig but I fear that right now, the userbase is travelling down a path where everything about this game is real life.
And that's a scary place to be.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 10:24:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 07/02/2007 10:24:43 I'm talking on all sides Thor. BoB weren't the first to do it but BoB certainly haven't managed to do anything to allieviate it. I don't think that we have pushed it though.
The lines drawn in the sand hadn't moved for a looooong time and everything seemed pretty straightforward.
This isn't about pointing fingers, it's merely a comment on the general degradation of what was for a long time, a very strong community.
Some people will care, others will simply mock and laugh and it will continue along the same lines as it is now.
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Seems indeed that a line has been crossed, only question is, when did we cross it? Did we cross 10 months ago, or was it 4 or was it just with recent events? Opinions differ I think, and also the perception of who crossed the line first.
I have a strong opinion on when it began. I'm sure you could trace it back and see the first real big clash of rl and ig but I'd rather not discuss it on these boards.
Anyway, these musings are for a different thread.
Back on topic, the avatar should be something to be valued by all of eve as it is player based customisation in eve. I look forward to seeing all alliances and corporations achieving something individual that is marked in eve.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.07 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: Thor Xian There is a significant number of people that think the majority of BoB (or perhaps just the ones above the rank Meat Shield) already has gone to that point.
Thats the irony of the situation. We most definitely are no where even close to that point.
I'm sorry Blacklight, but that is not for you to decide.
If the rest of Eve thinks you crossed the line, then that is the reality you have to deal with.
Even if just 1 guy thinks you crossed the line and decides he will act on that, that is the reality you have to deal with.
A Pandora's box has been opened, and it might get a lot worse, regardless what you, me or anyone else thinks about that.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 10:58:00 -
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So now BoB is resposible for the fact that someone took some alt seriously whent he alt accused BoB of hacking their ts or something ?
Speak for yourself m8, that's utter rubbish imo.
Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.07 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine So now BoB is resposible for the fact that someone took some alt seriously whent he alt accused BoB of hacking their ts or something ?
Speak for yourself m8, that's utter rubbish imo.
This has nothing to do with me assigning responsibility to anyone for anything Rod, don't put words in my mouth.
If you want me to spell it out for you:
1. A lot of things have happened over the past year, several of which have been close to the 'line', at least to the minds of some people. If you want examples, think Goonwar, think ASCN/BoB conflict and the most recent event which we may not mention. You can fill in the details I'm sure, no need to rehash them.
2. I am not saying any of them crossed the line, or that any of them didn't cross the line.
3. However I am saying that in the perception of some people, each of these events crossed the line.
4. As a result of '3', a Pandora's box has been opened, and it could get very very ugly.
5. Even though the people involved in the events mentioned in '1' may not think they crossed the line, that is irrelevant. Perception is all that matters here, and the perception of some people is that the line has been crossed and that from now on 'anything goes'.
Whether you/BoB feel responsible for any of it, is your decision. For what happens next, it probably doesn't matter whether you feel responsible or not, its gonna happen anyway.
What is going to happen next? I don't know. But I think its gonna be ugly.
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2007.02.07 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher Maybe you should start looking at it from an rp sense than a real world sense and the answer will become blatantly clear.
For a long time in eve, the players of this game have managed to separate rl from ig but I fear that right now, the userbase is travelling down a path where everything about this game is real life.
And that's a scary place to be.
Yep.
From a rp sense, yes this is an important event. And I fully support the idea of permanent titan wrecks. And yes I also fully support more player input to the eve world. But from a rp sense, surely there's been other events at least as important? And from a rp sense, who has built this monument saying it's the ascn titan that bob destroyed? You? ASCN? Concord? Mr X who just got out of the art-school?
And my view is that a situation where one dev (or be it a team of 5 devs, the whole of CCP, or whatever), is to sit down and judge "ok, this was an important event - let's make a monument with a text like this" or "nah, I don't really think this was an important event", then we have truely gone down the wrong road. And this opinion of mine have absolutely zero to do with that it's BoB/ASCN here nor the "band of developers thing".
I'd rather see that the devs: * sort so that things such as this - the destruction of a titan - automaticly results in a generic permanent wreck. That's one way we'd enable players to 'change the game-world'. * think hard about how players could modify the world as they see fit. Atm we have outposts and that's it. (well, I know they do already, but anyway) Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me |
DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: dalman I'd rather see that the devs: * sort so that things such as this - the destruction of a titan - automaticly results in a generic permanent wreck. That's one way we'd enable players to 'change the game-world'. * think hard about how players could modify the world as they see fit. Atm we have outposts and that's it. (well, I know they do already, but anyway)
Dalman, Oveur said in a sweeping statement on Evetv that he wanted titan wrecks to be left as a monument. This was before we blew up ASCN's.
Furthermore, he simply said "titan wrecks" in general, no specifics. I presume further titan wrecks will also be left in place due to the nature of them and the difficulty in getting one.
Finally, I think that this is a step into bigger customisation, one which has began a while back and will hopefully continue into the future. However, you are simply stating the negative side of this and not looking to the positive side.
If peeps complain loud enough simply because it's BoB that did it first then why the heck should CCP listen to the whiners in future when they ask for cool stuff?
If it had been the other way round or someone else had achieved it first, everyone (except maybe the dude who lost it) would have been just as proud as the guys who killed it to go see the wreck.
The very fact that CYVOK said this was a good thing earlier in the thread is a positive light.
ASCN has a permanent marker on the map.
All sides are happy. I only see those that hate BoB complaining about it here.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.07 12:29:00 -
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2007.02.07 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher Dalman, Oveur said in a sweeping statement on Evetv that he wanted titan wrecks to be left as a monument. This was before we blew up ASCN's.
Furthermore, he simply said "titan wrecks" in general, no specifics. I presume further titan wrecks will also be left in place due to the nature of them and the difficulty in getting one.
Yes yes, I know. Someone put forth a thread on the forum with this suggestion, making the devs and all players go "oh that's great".
And some weeks later we got new threads - "lolz, cyvok lost his titan, the devs better hurry up with the wrecks idea".
Originally by: DB Preacher If peeps complain loud enough simply because it's BoB that did it first then why the heck should CCP listen to the whiners in future when they ask for cool stuff?
Say you go vote in your country. One party wants to lower the taxes. One party does not. You vote for the later, but the first wins the election. Should they then lower the taxes for specificly the persons who voted on them, but leave the taxes for you and the persons who did not vote on them? Or what exactly is it that you are suggesting in this quote? :s
Originally by: DB Preacher All sides are happy. I only see those that hate BoB complaining about it here.
Rest assured that I would complain about it no matter who it was (could have been reds vs LV for example), for the reasons I've said. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me |
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Skooney
Gallente Universal Agencies
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Posted - 2007.02.07 21:31:00 -
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Personally I believe the wreck should be permanent, and that it should have names attached to it, along with an EVE Date on it. It is a piece of EVE history, of which who can deny they did not read the forum post when ASCN lost the Titan.
In the interim BoB controls the space in which this wreck/monument lies, but what about the future? As Alliances come and go, as the landscape changes, BoB may not always lay claim to this piece of space, that being said, wouldnÆt it be nice for new players to EVE, to be able to see what happened in the historic war of ASCN vs BoB. More over a new alliance to lay claim to this monument?
I think so.
Titans are massive undertaking, any that are destroyed should be a monument, with names and personally a date.
Some food for thought, no matter if you like it or not, this is a BIG DEAL in EVE, or why else would there be 4 pages of opinions on the matter?
Universal Agencies
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Lynelle
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Posted - 2007.02.07 21:46:00 -
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I believe that a monument to the titan would be a great way to show that things change on a dime. No offense to BOB but I hope some other alliance ends up with that place, because I would like to see it someday. I also think that BOB should let pilots view the monument and not get shot at, but I highly doubt you all will listen to me on that one.
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.07 21:48:00 -
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I think Motherships should also get the monumental treatment. They arent a whole lot easier to build than Titans, just quicker and less expensive. _________________________ ~Thor Xian, Material Defender
"For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One."
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.07 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: Thor Xian There is a significant number of people that think the majority of BoB (or perhaps just the ones above the rank Meat Shield) already has gone to that point.
Thats the irony of the situation. We most definitely are no where even close to that point.
I'm sorry Blacklight, but that is not for you to decide.
If the rest of Eve thinks you crossed the line, then that is the reality you have to deal with.
Even if just 1 guy thinks you crossed the line and decides he will act on that, that is the reality you have to deal with.
A Pandora's box has been opened, and it might get a lot worse, regardless what you, me or anyone else thinks about that.
In all fairness, it will just add to the enigma of the BoB war machine, not take away from it. Propoganda is all about perception. _________________________ ~Thor Xian, Material Defender
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Matori Kar
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Posted - 2007.02.07 22:18:00 -
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Edited by: Matori Kar on 07/02/2007 22:19:50 Edited by: Matori Kar on 07/02/2007 22:15:36 RP, lols.... so how many crew in a titan? .. thousands, tens of thousands? and they just sat there and let you kill them....nothing RP about that is there?
Congrats, BoB killed an afk/logged ship...a freaking big one I admit...but still not exactly stunning is it? Probably won you the war far quicker, but then I doubt there was ever going to be any other outcome
Edit: Eeek, ME BAD, NOT IN A CORP.....runs off to form one, oops
Edit2: OMG 33 mins to learn skill
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shldrinj
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Posted - 2007.02.08 05:12:00 -
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nice i like the fact that they would do this
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James Snowscoran
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.08 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Matori Kar Edited by: Matori Kar on 07/02/2007 22:19:50 Edited by: Matori Kar on 07/02/2007 22:15:36 RP, lols.... so how many crew in a titan? .. thousands, tens of thousands? and they just sat there and let you kill them....nothing RP about that is there?
Congrats, BoB killed an afk/logged ship...a freaking big one I admit...but still not exactly stunning is it? Probably won you the war far quicker, but then I doubt there was ever going to be any other outcome
Edit: Eeek, ME BAD, NOT IN A CORP.....runs off to form one, oops
Edit2: OMG 33 mins to learn skill
Hundreds of thousands, probably.
Considering that battleships have 5-6000...
But that makes all of us mass murderers anyway. As Stalin said, one man is a tragedy, a million men is just numbers... -----
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James Snowscoran
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.08 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Matori Kar Edited by: Matori Kar on 07/02/2007 22:19:50 Edited by: Matori Kar on 07/02/2007 22:15:36 RP, lols.... so how many crew in a titan? .. thousands, tens of thousands? and they just sat there and let you kill them....nothing RP about that is there?
Congrats, BoB killed an afk/logged ship...a freaking big one I admit...but still not exactly stunning is it? Probably won you the war far quicker, but then I doubt there was ever going to be any other outcome
Edit: Eeek, ME BAD, NOT IN A CORP.....runs off to form one, oops
Edit2: OMG 33 mins to learn skill
Hundreds of thousands, probably.
Considering that battleships have 5-6000...
But that makes all of us mass murderers anyway. As Stalin said, one man is a tragedy, a million men is just numbers... -----
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hitech redneck
Digital Mind Crimes
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Posted - 2007.02.08 19:32:00 -
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I think when items are made be it a outpost or any mode it should be stamped with the person and corp/ allence that made it. When i played another game it was funny to see where your handy work ended.
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hitech redneck
Digital Mind Crimes
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Posted - 2007.02.08 19:32:00 -
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I think when items are made be it a outpost or any mode it should be stamped with the person and corp/ allence that made it. When i played another game it was funny to see where your handy work ended.
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