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Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
151
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Posted - 2011.12.16 09:03:00 -
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After giving this a lot of intelligent consideration, I finally decided the FOOL proof way to avoid suicide ganks is....
...to not play at all.
When I log, I sort through all my valuables, look admiringly at my wallet balance, queue up some training...get frustrated at how LONG that takes...march myself around my quarters a while, drag my ships into the hangar to admire them, then I log off.
Since management is firmly planted in the "Let the Sociopaths Rule" position (sort of bent over...hands on knees...pants down...you know the drill)...it's FOOLISH to play Russian Roulette (sorry all you Rooskies out there) with your hard-earned assets on an endless merry-go-round of replacing ships you can afford to lose.
Now, I know that may not make sense to some of you out there. That's okay. It does make sense to a lot more of us than you might think, and for obvious reasons...which (of course) are lost on a LOT of people who think they're pretty smart.

Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold. |

Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
124
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Posted - 2011.12.16 09:08:00 -
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I find you rather difficult to believe sometimes. However, your sentence structure is nothing short of admirable.
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |

Sturmwolke
56
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Posted - 2011.12.16 09:11:00 -
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Fool proof way of not getting scammed or ganked in RL is ... ... to just not live at all.
Don't you agree?
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Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
151
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Posted - 2011.12.16 09:15:00 -
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Sturmwolke wrote:Fool proof way of not getting scammed or ganked in RL is ... ... to just not live at all.
Don't you agree?
Oddly enough (correct me if I'm wrong) there are legal ramifications to scamming people IRL. Having a vibrant legal system affords protection enough to make it safe to sally forth and raise a little hell out of doors. I daresay, should someone suicide gank you, they would be convicted of murder posthumously and all their possessions would be forfeit to the gankee's family so they can afford the funeral.
I'm surprised you didn't think of that before you posted what you did...or was I?
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold. |

Jita Alt666
655
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Posted - 2011.12.16 09:26:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Sturmwolke wrote:Fool proof way of not getting scammed or ganked in RL is ... ... to just not live at all.
Don't you agree?
Oddly enough (correct me if I'm wrong) there are legal ramifications to scamming people IRL. Having a vibrant legal system affords protection enough to make it safe to sally forth and raise a little hell out of doors. I daresay, should someone suicide gank you, they would be convicted of murder posthumously and all their possessions would be forfeit to the gankee's family so they can afford the funeral. I'm surprised you didn't think of that before you posted what you did...or was I?
Real life scammers ensure the law works in their favour. Sub Prime Lending?
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Samillian
Trojan Trolls Controlled Chaos
59
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Posted - 2011.12.16 09:39:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:After giving this a lot of intelligent consideration, I finally decided the FOOL proof way to avoid suicide ganks is.... ...to not play at all. When I log, I sort through all my valuables, look admiringly at my wallet balance, queue up some training...get frustrated at how LONG that takes...march myself around my quarters a while, drag my ships into the hangar to admire them, then I log off. Since management is firmly planted in the "Let the Sociopaths Rule" position (sort of bent over...hands on knees...pants down...you know the drill)...it's FOOLISH to play Russian Roulette (sorry all you Rooskies out there) with your hard-earned assets on an endless merry-go-round of replacing ships you can afford to lose. Now, I know that may not make sense to some of you out there. That's okay. It does make sense to a lot more of us than you might think, and for obvious reasons...which (of course) are lost on a LOT of people who think they're pretty smart. 
Interesting, you obviously met far more gankers than I ever have in HiSec.
The two years I was living in HiSec on this account I can remember only one successfully gank (Hulkageddon 3 in a 0.5 system, never mine drunk its bad for your reaction time) and two fail attempts and I've had maybe five or six missions ninja salvaged out from under me the entire time I've played EvE but to read your piece you would believe every HiSec gate was littered with the wrecks of the innocent 23.5 / 7.
In my experience on more than one account ganking and assorted griefing just doesn't happen anywhere as much as you make out, if it the did rather nice living I make with my HiSec trade and industry alts would be have been impossible over the last few years and the HiSec markets would be deserts. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
1437
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Posted - 2011.12.16 09:48:00 -
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I too refuse to play any game that I can't be sure I will always win. Expecting me to learn to play better and improve my skills merely in order to increase my chances is clearly some kind of infringement of my rights as a human, a man, a westerner and a whiny spoilt little brat. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Zimmy Zeta
Battle Force Industries
170
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Posted - 2011.12.16 09:52:00 -
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There is an other foolproof way to evade suicide ganks: self destruct as soon as the ganker locks you. Works every time. -.- |

Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
220
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Posted - 2011.12.16 09:56:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:After giving this a lot of intelligent consideration, I finally decided the FOOL proof way to avoid suicide ganks is....
...to not play at all.
I doubt that.
Because I wish this newly profound revelation of yours also meant that you would stop posting hyperbolic nonsense like this. Or post at all. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |

Freezehunter
45
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Posted - 2011.12.16 09:56:00 -
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Sturmwolke wrote:Fool proof way of not getting scammed or ganked in RL is ... ... to just not live at all.
Don't you agree?
You forgot that IRL, the law actually works, and you are somewhat protected against these things.
Besides, you can't get scammed IRL if you are not a gullible idiot.
Same for Eve.
In 5 years of playing this game, I've never been scammed or suicide ganked.
All it takes is some ******* precaution.
CCP should make an expansion that allows Eve players to be a part of Concord, and run around chasing criminals.
Eve Police FTW! Is it better to be a nice guy or an *******? Tried being a nice guy, got shat on by all the assholes, became one. Tried being an *******, now everyone hates me. I am confused. How do you make people like you, when all they can see is text? |

Joshua Aivoras
Tech IV Industries Pandorum Invictus
44
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Posted - 2011.12.16 09:59:00 -
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This again? |

Sam Bowein
Sense Amid Madness
18
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Posted - 2011.12.16 09:59:00 -
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I tend to agree with OPGǪ
Eve in its current state clearly favors 'bad' behaviours, because the punitions are too light (security status, come on )
The removal of insurance for ships destroyed by Concord was a step in the right direction, but it's not enough. There should be a penalty system, when you suicide gank someone, you have to pay an additional fine too. |

Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
220
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Posted - 2011.12.16 10:01:00 -
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Freezehunter wrote:Sturmwolke wrote:Fool proof way of not getting scammed or ganked in RL is ... ... to just not live at all.
Don't you agree?
You forgot that IRL, the law actually works, and you are somewhat protected against these things. Besides, you can't get scammed IRL if you are not a gullible idiot. Same for Eve. In 5 years of playing this game, I've never been scammed or suicide ganked. All it takes is some ******* precaution. CCP should make an expansion that allows Eve players to be a part of Concord, and run around chasing criminals. Eve Police FTW!
Personally I'd like an expansion where I, as a player, can permanently remove players from the game by killing them in the game.
It is time to cull the weak. Let them by devoured by the strong.
I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |

Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
153
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Posted - 2011.12.16 10:05:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Freezehunter wrote:Sturmwolke wrote:Fool proof way of not getting scammed or ganked in RL is ... ... to just not live at all.
Don't you agree?
You forgot that IRL, the law actually works, and you are somewhat protected against these things. Besides, you can't get scammed IRL if you are not a gullible idiot. Same for Eve. In 5 years of playing this game, I've never been scammed or suicide ganked. All it takes is some ******* precaution. CCP should make an expansion that allows Eve players to be a part of Concord, and run around chasing criminals. Eve Police FTW! Personally I'd like an expansion where I, as a player, can permanently remove players from the game by killing them in the game. It is time to cull the weak. Let them by devoured by the strong. Then, let's begin with you.
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold. |

Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
220
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Posted - 2011.12.16 10:10:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Alpheias wrote:Freezehunter wrote:Sturmwolke wrote:Fool proof way of not getting scammed or ganked in RL is ... ... to just not live at all.
Don't you agree?
You forgot that IRL, the law actually works, and you are somewhat protected against these things. Besides, you can't get scammed IRL if you are not a gullible idiot. Same for Eve. In 5 years of playing this game, I've never been scammed or suicide ganked. All it takes is some ******* precaution. CCP should make an expansion that allows Eve players to be a part of Concord, and run around chasing criminals. Eve Police FTW! Personally I'd like an expansion where I, as a player, can permanently remove players from the game by killing them in the game. It is time to cull the weak. Let them by devoured by the strong. Then, let's begin with you.
I welcome that.
And how are you going to do that when you don't play the game? You sit in a station, look at your valuables, check your wallet, queue up training before you scurry offline in sheer fright of the game.
Podding me would require you to undock. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |

Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
153
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Posted - 2011.12.16 10:13:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Serene Repose wrote:Alpheias wrote:Freezehunter wrote:Sturmwolke wrote:Fool proof way of not getting scammed or ganked in RL is ... ... to just not live at all.
Don't you agree?
You forgot that IRL, the law actually works, and you are somewhat protected against these things. Besides, you can't get scammed IRL if you are not a gullible idiot. Same for Eve. In 5 years of playing this game, I've never been scammed or suicide ganked. All it takes is some ******* precaution. CCP should make an expansion that allows Eve players to be a part of Concord, and run around chasing criminals. Eve Police FTW! Personally I'd like an expansion where I, as a player, can permanently remove players from the game by killing them in the game. It is time to cull the weak. Let them by devoured by the strong. Then, let's begin with you. I welcome that. And how are you going to do that when you don't play the game? You sit in a station, look at your valuables, check your wallet, queue up training before you scurry offline in sheer fright of the game. Podding me would require you to undock. Not when you pod yourself so well.
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold. |

Zevina
Atomic Core Industries and Science
14
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Posted - 2011.12.16 10:15:00 -
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As I am not a ganker I wonder if ganking is still lucrative since the latest patch? Not getting your insurance when killed by Concord should be quite a nerf to them. |

Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
285
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Posted - 2011.12.16 10:15:00 -
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Freezehunter wrote:You forgot that IRL, the law actually works, and you are somewhat protected against these things. Why do people always come up with this.
Laws do not protect anybody, they only punish people. No law in the world can keep anybody from doing anything, if he really wants to do it.
That's why making stricter and stricter laws is a stupidity on it's own, too.
Quote:Besides, you can't get scammed IRL if you are not a gullible idiot. In 5 years of playing this game, I've never been scammed or suicide ganked.
Bullshit. Everybody can and will get scammed and saying you never got scammed makes you look like a liar.
Quote:CCP should make an expansion that allows Eve players to be a part of Concord, and run around chasing criminals.
Eve Police FTW!
Well, hopefully yes, but without you. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
220
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Posted - 2011.12.16 10:18:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:
Not when you pod yourself so well.
Now, that doesn't make sense. Even on a incoherent level.
I guess the intelligent flare of yours that you mentioned in your original post has dimmed substantially. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |

Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
63
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Posted - 2011.12.16 10:21:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:After giving this a lot of intelligent consideration, I finally decided the FOOL proof way to avoid suicide ganks is.... ...to not play at all. When I log, I sort through all my valuables, look admiringly at my wallet balance, queue up some training...get frustrated at how LONG that takes...march myself around my quarters a while, drag my ships into the hangar to admire them, then I log off. Since management is firmly planted in the "Let the Sociopaths Rule" position (sort of bent over...hands on knees...pants down...you know the drill)...it's FOOLISH to play Russian Roulette (sorry all you Rooskies out there) with your hard-earned assets on an endless merry-go-round of replacing ships you can afford to lose. Now, I know that may not make sense to some of you out there. That's okay. It does make sense to a lot more of us than you might think, and for obvious reasons...which (of course) are lost on a LOT of people who think they're pretty smart. 
I can haz ur stuffs?
I A/F/K cloak in Jita. Does that count? |

Freezehunter
45
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Posted - 2011.12.16 10:24:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Freezehunter wrote:You forgot that IRL, the law actually works, and you are somewhat protected against these things. Why do people always come up with this. Laws do not protect anybody, they only punish people. No law in the world can keep anybody from doing anything, if he really wants to do it. That's why making stricter and stricter laws is a stupidity on it's own, too. Quote:Besides, you can't get scammed IRL if you are not a gullible idiot. In 5 years of playing this game, I've never been scammed or suicide ganked.
Bullshit. Everybody can and will get scammed and saying you never got scammed makes you look like a liar. Quote:CCP should make an expansion that allows Eve players to be a part of Concord, and run around chasing criminals.
Eve Police FTW! Well, hopefully yes, but without you.
Bro, the only way you can get scammed in Eve is if you don't ******* pay attention.
I tend to double and triple check the **** out of every contract, market transaction, direct trade, courier job, and everything else that could scam me.
If you were dumb enough to let it happen to you, don't assume people are lying when they say it never happened to them. Is it better to be a nice guy or an *******? Tried being a nice guy, got shat on by all the assholes, became one. Tried being an *******, now everyone hates me. I am confused. How do you make people like you, when all they can see is text? |

Obax Bannon
Fidelis Technologies
29
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Posted - 2011.12.16 10:28:00 -
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Sam Bowein wrote:I tend to agree with OPGǪ Eve in its current state clearly favors 'bad' behaviours, because the punitions are too light (security status, come on  ) The removal of insurance for ships destroyed by Concord was a step in the right direction, but it's not enough. There should be a penalty system, when you suicide gank someone, you have to pay an additional fine too.
A game I used to play a long time back dealt with players killing other players in a pretty decent way. Maybe something along those lines could be integrated into eve.
If anyone ganks anyone in high sec they flash red to everyone for a set amount of time (not just the player and his corporation) Anyone below a certain sec status in high sec also flashes red to everyone regardless of if they are in a ship or pod until they are above the required sec status
Might make things alot more fun in high sec and harder for the gankers too rather than having to wait for CONCORD to eventually show up
Obviously anyone targetting/popping someone thats flashing red would recieve no drop in sec status.
Just some thoughts on it anyway
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Sturmwolke
56
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Posted - 2011.12.16 10:32:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Oddly enough (correct me if I'm wrong) there are legal ramifications to scamming people IRL. Having a vibrant legal system affords protection enough to make it safe to sally forth and raise a little hell out of doors.
I'm surprised you didn't think of that before you posted what you did...or was I?
Legal ramifications? Vibrant legal system? You mean those set of guidelines that they put up that makes lawyers/pen-pushers wealthy fencing with words (that sometimes approach the idiot level)?
So, does this mean you have a lot more faith with the mitigation processes in RL than in EVE?
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March rabbit
Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx
49
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Posted - 2011.12.16 10:51:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:There is an other foolproof way to evade suicide ganks: self destruct as soon as the ganker locks you. Works every time.
 won't work at all: 2 minutes of SD timer is enough for any ganker |

Hooch Flux
Flux Unlimited
2
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Posted - 2011.12.16 11:20:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:After giving this a lot of intelligent consideration
You do realize this is the Eve online forum?
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Decimus Octavius
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.16 11:52:00 -
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TO the OP and all the other 'suicide ganking should be nerfed' people:
Obviously you are idiots. WHY? because you are obviously performing some action that is presenting yourself as a target to being ganked. ITS NOT THE GANKERS THAT ARE THE PROBLEM, IT IS YOU. Understand this.
Travel: If you decide to travel with valuable cargo in an untanked ship then YOU are the one making the wrong decision, not the person that is going to blast you to bits. Solution: fly an appropriate ship; divide the cargo and do multiple runs; set up a courier contract; dont fly through low sec etc etc. There are many solutions and many options for travelling. Lots of people do this and never get ganked, if you are getting ganked you are doing it wrong.
Mining: If you decide to repeatedly mine in gallente ice space while goons are actively and widely publicising their ganking interdiction then YOU are making the wrong decision. Here is an idea, mine another type of ice, sell it then buy gallente ice products with the isk. Infact make isk in the zillion other ways you can make isk in this game and buy your gallente ice products. To repeatedly go and mine in systems with active gankers is just ********. To do it in a totally untanked barge even more so. The cost of your barge could have bought lots of ice, the time spent mining elsewhere would have bought lots of ice, running missions, complexes, incursions, market trading holy **** so many ways to make isk to buy your **** instead of directly mining it. Its not the gankers or the system that is the problem IT IS YOUR POOR CHOICES.
Just use your farking brain. If i get in a shiny ship and go unscouted into 0.0 and get blown up is it my fault or the people camping the gates? Do i repeatedly go jumping through that gate losing ships then come crying on the forums to nerf gate camping or bubbles, NO I DONT because im NOT A ******* IDIOT. BUT you ******* repeatedly get your **** blown up by your own stupid actions and come crying rivers of tears wanting the game changed. A final word to you is get ****** you ******* fuckheads.
and there you go. |

Russell Casey
One Ton Reverberation Project
124
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Posted - 2011.12.16 12:31:00 -
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Plenty of crimes get foiled before they are pulled off successfully----just like in EVE. Sometimes the guy's tank is better than you thought, sometimes your DPS isn't up to snuff.
And sometimes your corp gank fails.
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Citizen Smif
Traumark Shadow Elite H Y E N A
30
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Posted - 2011.12.16 12:38:00 -
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Decimus Octavius wrote:TO the OP and all the other 'suicide ganking should be nerfed' people:
Obviously you are idiots. WHY? because you are obviously performing some action that is presenting yourself as a target to being ganked. ITS NOT THE GANKERS THAT ARE THE PROBLEM, IT IS YOU. Understand this.
Travel: If you decide to travel with valuable cargo in an untanked ship then YOU are the one making the wrong decision, not the person that is going to blast you to bits. Solution: fly an appropriate ship; divide the cargo and do multiple runs; set up a courier contract; dont fly through low sec etc etc. There are many solutions and many options for travelling. Lots of people do this and never get ganked, if you are getting ganked you are doing it wrong.
Mining: If you decide to repeatedly mine in gallente ice space while goons are actively and widely publicising their ganking interdiction then YOU are making the wrong decision. Here is an idea, mine another type of ice, sell it then buy gallente ice products with the isk. Infact make isk in the zillion other ways you can make isk in this game and buy your gallente ice products. To repeatedly go and mine in systems with active gankers is just ********. To do it in a totally untanked barge even more so. The cost of your barge could have bought lots of ice, the time spent mining elsewhere would have bought lots of ice, running missions, complexes, incursions, market trading holy **** so many ways to make isk to buy your **** instead of directly mining it. Its not the gankers or the system that is the problem IT IS YOUR POOR CHOICES.
Just use your farking brain. If i get in a shiny ship and go unscouted into 0.0 and get blown up is it my fault or the people camping the gates? Do i repeatedly go jumping through that gate losing ships then come crying on the forums to nerf gate camping or bubbles, NO I DONT because im NOT A ******* IDIOT. BUT you ******* repeatedly get your **** blown up by your own stupid actions and come crying rivers of tears wanting the game changed. A final word to you is get ****** you ******* fuckheads.
and there you go.
With the emergence of the Fuhrer the hatred for the mining peoples is ever escalating.
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Deltor Griffith
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.12.16 12:40:00 -
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Avoid ganking? Mine more ice in Gallente space. |

Mai Khumm
Apple Construction Inc Northern Associates.
70
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Posted - 2011.12.16 12:49:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Sturmwolke wrote:Fool proof way of not getting scammed or ganked in RL is ... ... to just not live at all.
Don't you agree?
Oddly enough (correct me if I'm wrong) there are legal ramifications to scamming people IRL. Having a vibrant legal system affords protection enough to make it safe to sally forth and raise a little hell out of doors. I daresay, should someone suicide gank you, they would be convicted of murder posthumously and all their possessions would be forfeit to the gankee's family so they can afford the funeral. I'm surprised you didn't think of that before you posted what you did...or was I?
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