Fool proof way of not getting scammed or ganked in RL is ...
... to just not live at all.

Don't you agree?

Oddly enough (correct me if I'm wrong) there are legal ramifications to scamming people IRL. Having a vibrant legal system affords protection enough to make it safe to sally forth and raise a little hell out of doors. I daresay, should someone suicide gank you, they would be convicted of murder posthumously and all their possessions would be forfeit to the gankee's family so they can afford the funeral.

I'm surprised you didn't think of that before you posted what you did...or was I?

After giving this a lot of intelligent consideration, I finally decided the FOOL proof way to avoid suicide ganks is....

...to not play at all.

When I log, I sort through all my valuables, look admiringly at my wallet balance, queue up some training...get frustrated at how LONG that takes...march myself around my quarters a while, drag my ships into the hangar to admire them, then I log off.

Since management is firmly planted in the "Let the Sociopaths Rule" position (sort of bent over...hands on knees...pants down...you know the drill)...it's FOOLISH to play Russian Roulette (sorry all you Rooskies out there) with your hard-earned assets on an endless merry-go-round of replacing ships you can afford to lose.

Now, I know that may not make sense to some of you out there. That's okay. It does make sense to a lot more of us than you might think, and for obvious reasons...which (of course) are lost on a LOT of people who think they're pretty smart.

After giving this a lot of intelligent consideration, I finally decided the FOOL proof way to avoid suicide ganks is....

...to not play at all.

Fool proof way of not getting scammed or ganked in RL is ...
... to just not live at all.

Don't you agree?

You forgot that IRL, the law actually works, and you are somewhat protected against these things.

Besides, you can't get scammed IRL if you are not a gullible idiot.

Same for Eve.

In 5 years of playing this game, I've never been scammed or suicide ganked.

All it takes is some ******* precaution.

CCP should make an expansion that allows Eve players to be a part of Concord, and run around chasing criminals.

Eve Police FTW!

Personally I'd like an expansion where I, as a player, can permanently remove players from the game by killing them in the game.

It is time to cull the weak. Let them by devoured by the strong.

Then, let's begin with you.

I welcome that.

And how are you going to do that when you don't play the game? You sit in a station, look at your valuables, check your wallet, queue up training before you scurry offline in sheer fright of the game.

Podding me would require you to undock.

You forgot that IRL, the law actually works, and you are somewhat protected against these things.

Besides, you can't get scammed IRL if you are not a gullible idiot.
In 5 years of playing this game, I've never been scammed or suicide ganked.

CCP should make an expansion that allows Eve players to be a part of Concord, and run around chasing criminals.

Eve Police FTW!

Not when you pod yourself so well.

After giving this a lot of intelligent consideration, I finally decided the FOOL proof way to avoid suicide ganks is....

...to not play at all.

When I log, I sort through all my valuables, look admiringly at my wallet balance, queue up some training...get frustrated at how LONG that takes...march myself around my quarters a while, drag my ships into the hangar to admire them, then I log off.

Since management is firmly planted in the "Let the Sociopaths Rule" position (sort of bent over...hands on knees...pants down...you know the drill)...it's FOOLISH to play Russian Roulette (sorry all you Rooskies out there) with your hard-earned assets on an endless merry-go-round of replacing ships you can afford to lose.

Now, I know that may not make sense to some of you out there. That's okay. It does make sense to a lot more of us than you might think, and for obvious reasons...which (of course) are lost on a LOT of people who think they're pretty smart.

Why do people always come up with this.

Laws do not protect anybody, they only punish people.
No law in the world can keep anybody from doing anything, if he really wants to do it.

That's why making stricter and stricter laws is a stupidity on it's own, too.


Bullshit. Everybody can and will get scammed and saying you never got scammed makes you look like a liar.


Well, hopefully yes, but without you.

I tend to agree with OPGǪ

Eve in its current state clearly favors 'bad' behaviours, because the punitions are too light (security status, come on )

The removal of insurance for ships destroyed by Concord was a step in the right direction, but it's not enough.
There should be a penalty system, when you suicide gank someone, you have to pay an additional fine too.

Oddly enough (correct me if I'm wrong) there are legal ramifications to scamming people IRL. Having a vibrant legal system affords protection enough to make it safe to sally forth and raise a little hell out of doors.

I'm surprised you didn't think of that before you posted what you did...or was I?

There is an other foolproof way to evade suicide ganks: self destruct as soon as the ganker locks you. Works every time.

After giving this a lot of intelligent consideration

TO the OP and all the other 'suicide ganking should be nerfed' people:

Obviously you are idiots. WHY? because you are obviously performing some action that is presenting yourself as a target to being ganked. ITS NOT THE GANKERS THAT ARE THE PROBLEM, IT IS YOU.
Understand this.

Travel:
If you decide to travel with valuable cargo in an untanked ship then YOU are the one making the wrong decision, not the person that is going to blast you to bits. Solution: fly an appropriate ship; divide the cargo and do multiple runs; set up a courier contract; dont fly through low sec etc etc. There are many solutions and many options for travelling. Lots of people do this and never get ganked, if you are getting ganked you are doing it wrong.

Mining:
If you decide to repeatedly mine in gallente ice space while goons are actively and widely publicising their ganking interdiction then YOU are making the wrong decision. Here is an idea, mine another type of ice, sell it then buy gallente ice products with the isk. Infact make isk in the zillion other ways you can make isk in this game and buy your gallente ice products. To repeatedly go and mine in systems with active gankers is just ********. To do it in a totally untanked barge even more so. The cost of your barge could have bought lots of ice, the time spent mining elsewhere would have bought lots of ice, running missions, complexes, incursions, market trading holy **** so many ways to make isk to buy your **** instead of directly mining it. Its not the gankers or the system that is the problem IT IS YOUR POOR CHOICES.

Just use your farking brain. If i get in a shiny ship and go unscouted into 0.0 and get blown up is it my fault or the people camping the gates? Do i repeatedly go jumping through that gate losing ships then come crying on the forums to nerf gate camping or bubbles, NO I DONT because im NOT A ******* IDIOT. BUT you ******* repeatedly get your **** blown up by your own stupid actions and come crying rivers of tears wanting the game changed. A final word to you is get ****** you ******* fuckheads.

and there you go.

Oddly enough (correct me if I'm wrong) there are legal ramifications to scamming people IRL. Having a vibrant legal system affords protection enough to make it safe to sally forth and raise a little hell out of doors. I daresay, should someone suicide gank you, they would be convicted of murder posthumously and all their possessions would be forfeit to the gankee's family so they can afford the funeral.

I'm surprised you didn't think of that before you posted what you did...or was I?

There is an other foolproof way to evade suicide ganks: self destruct as soon as the ganker locks you. Works every time.

I tend to agree with OPGǪ

Eve in its current state clearly favors 'bad' behaviours, because the punitions are too light (security status, come on )

The removal of insurance for ships destroyed by Concord was a step in the right direction, but it's not enough.
There should be a penalty system, when you suicide gank someone, you have to pay an additional fine too.

I daresay, should someone suicide gank you, they would be convicted of murder posthumously and all their possessions would be forfeit to the gankee's family so they can afford the funeral.

Laws do not protect anybody, they only punish people.

To the OP: You did know that all responses would be flames right. I hate to see these kinds of posts on the forums because as a hi-sec miner myself, I know it only adds fuel and incentive for those that hunt us. And, I dislike getting lumped into the image of terrified "carebears" crying for unfettered safety.

TANK YOUR DANG BOAT!

Since management is firmly planted in the "Let the Sociopaths Rule" position (sort of bent over...hands on knees...pants down...you know the drill)...it's FOOLISH to play Russian Roulette (sorry all you Rooskies out there) with your hard-earned assets on an endless merry-go-round of replacing ships you can afford to lose.

I tend to agree with OPGǪ

Eve in its current state clearly favors 'bad' behaviours, because the punitions are too light (security status, come on )

The removal of insurance for ships destroyed by Concord was a step in the right direction, but it's not enough.
There should be a penalty system, when you suicide gank someone, you have to pay an additional fine too.

3 words for a solution:

Transferable Kill Rights.

Try learning the game mechanics and using them against the gankers that bother you, it's actually a lot of fun.

I can haz ur stuffs?

That's all well and good.

Reminds me of the time my freighter/indy alt was travelling Amarr to Jita in a fast frigate. Warp to 0 on a gate and get taken out by a -10 sec nanophoon smartbombing the gate. Lost a billion worth of +5's and wires.

Spose I should've sought retribution by trying to ram him with a Charon. That'll learn him.

After giving this a lot of intelligent consideration, I finally decided the FOOL proof way to avoid suicide ganks is....

...to not play at all.

When I log, I sort through all my valuables, look admiringly at my wallet balance, queue up some training...get frustrated at how LONG that takes...march myself around my quarters a while, drag my ships into the hangar to admire them, then I log off.

Since management is firmly planted in the "Let the Sociopaths Rule" position (sort of bent over...hands on knees...pants down...you know the drill)...it's FOOLISH to play Russian Roulette (sorry all you Rooskies out there) with your hard-earned assets on an endless merry-go-round of replacing ships you can afford to lose.

Now, I know that may not make sense to some of you out there. That's okay. It does make sense to a lot more of us than you might think, and for obvious reasons...which (of course) are lost on a LOT of people who think they're pretty smart.

You forgot that IRL, the law actually works

Why do people always come up with this.

Laws do not protect anybody, they only punish people.
No law in the world can keep anybody from doing anything, if he really wants to do it.

That's why making stricter and stricter laws is a stupidity on it's own, too.


Bullshit. Everybody can and will get scammed and saying you never got scammed makes you look like a liar.


Well, hopefully yes, but without you.

I tend to agree with OPGǪ

Eve in its current state clearly favors 'bad' behaviours, because the punitions are too light (security status, come on )...when you suicide gank someone, you have to pay an additional fine too.

So instead of trying to get some balance into this system or fix broken mechanics you just gave up?
Then they allready won :(.

After giving this a lot of intelligent consideration, I finally decided the FOOL proof way to avoid suicide ganks is....

...to not play at all.

When I log, I sort through all my valuables, look admiringly at my wallet balance, queue up some training...get frustrated at how LONG that takes...march myself around my quarters a while, drag my ships into the hangar to admire them, then I log off.

Since management is firmly planted in the "Let the Sociopaths Rule" position (sort of bent over...hands on knees...pants down...you know the drill)...it's FOOLISH to play Russian Roulette (sorry all you Rooskies out there) with your hard-earned assets on an endless merry-go-round of replacing ships you can afford to lose.

Now, I know that may not make sense to some of you out there. That's okay. It does make sense to a lot more of us than you might think, and for obvious reasons...which (of course) are lost on a LOT of people who think they're pretty smart.

Oddly enough (correct me if I'm wrong) there are legal ramifications to scamming people IRL. Having a vibrant legal system affords protection enough to make it safe to sally forth and raise a little hell out of doors. I daresay, should someone suicide gank you, they would be convicted of murder posthumously and all their possessions would be forfeit to the gankee's family so they can afford the funeral.

I'm surprised you didn't think of that before you posted what you did...or was I?

First of all, i am not sure if you are serious. But for the sake of "intelligent consideration" i will intelligently consider giving you the benefit of the doubt.

You know, with all the "sociopath" nerfs we have seen lately, there has been quite a bit of joking around about how griefer tears are the most ironically delicious tears, etc.
And really, that is fine. CCP might be blatantly catering to the carebear population right now but that just means adapt or die. Those of us that enjoy what we do will still find a way to do what we do best. Keeping High Sec interesting.

What really irritates me though, is that you guys still keep on whining. CCP has thrown you almost any bone that was ever even remotely feasible. High Sec has been mollified to a degree that any half-competent player is for all intents and purposes untouchable. It has come to the point that it feels like we are only preying on the mentally challenged.

Seriously. I can't even enjoy these tears. It is just too pathetic.

Bullshit. Everybody can and will get scammed and saying you never got scammed makes you look like a liar.

To the OP: You did know that all responses would be flames right. I hate to see these kinds of posts on the forums because as a hi-sec miner myself, I know it only adds fuel and incentive for those that hunt us. And, I dislike getting lumped into the image of terrified "carebears" crying for unfettered safety.

You know how a cat will freak and leap 10 feet if you mange to sneak up on it. Well, that's why I mine in hi-sec and avoid PvP. I'm that cat. The encounter is usually over by the time I find my mouse coursor again. And I love that rush!!! I DO NOT want to lose the anticipation and preparation that comes from knowing that "they" may come any moment and will eventually come to pop my ship.

I actually enjoy the decompression and tranquility that comes from mining, especially in an operation. However, without the knowledge that I'm just a little bunny in woods filled with wolves it would all become soul suckingly boring very quickly.

Train skills to survive
Tank your boat
Pay attention to what is going on around you
Make bots look more attractive than you
Be paranoid
Evaluate your mistakes when they get you and do better next time
Have fun, if you are not, why are you paying for it?

Beyond that, I'm afraid I have to agree with Decimus...

However, without the knowledge that I'm just a little bunny in woods filled with wolves it would all become soul suckingly boring very quickly.

HAHAHAHAHA!
Orly?

I don't think you understand this whole "high sec" thing, or how it ties in with everything else.
Or maybe just a troll?

'99% of all EVE 'PvP' is ganks

Some form of ganking, suicide ganks, blob ganks, gate camp ganks, hot drop ganks.

This is because basically all, with few exceptions of EVE's PVPers are scared of losing their ship, either because of ISK or because it will appear on their KB...

PATHETIC

Hurr look at me I killed a hauler, wanna fight about it? Ok outside station with my logi friends.

Even RvB has some of this and those are mostly alts Durr I have 120m SP, sure I'll 1v1 you new player, let me jump to my slave set.

If it wasn't this way, why is solo people non existent? Why are all of the things I said above true on their face?

'Carebears' are only rational about it and not so pathetically hypocritical that they need to gank people to hide their short comings, claiming they're 'hardcurr peeveepeer'

Try to fit a MEDIUM shield extender on a MEDIUM size mining bark hull (Retriver).
Try to fit a CAPITAL repair system on a CAPTIAL industrial ship (Orca).

After giving this a lot of intelligent consideration, I finally decided the FOOL proof way to avoid suicide ganks is....

...to not play at all.

When I log, I sort through all my valuables, look admiringly at my wallet balance, queue up some training...get frustrated at how LONG that takes...march myself around my quarters a while, drag my ships into the hangar to admire them, then I log off.

Since management is firmly planted in the "Let the Sociopaths Rule" position (sort of bent over...hands on knees...pants down...you know the drill)...it's FOOLISH to play Russian Roulette (sorry all you Rooskies out there) with your hard-earned assets on an endless merry-go-round of replacing ships you can afford to lose.

Now, I know that may not make sense to some of you out there. That's okay. It does make sense to a lot more of us than you might think, and for obvious reasons...which (of course) are lost on a LOT of people who think they're pretty smart.

That's the point ... where is the punishment?

Even -10 sec status Criminals have nothing to fear.

CONCORD destroys their ships over and over and over and over .... and over again and NOTHING happens.
Is CONCORD realy THAT stupid and can't catch them to arest them?

You forgot that IRL, the law actually works, and you are somewhat protected against these things.

Bullshit. Everybody can and will get scammed and saying you never got scammed makes you look like a liar.

It would still be curious to see if miners formed a union and went on strike - if that would affect the cost of ships. But solidarity in an MMO is like trying to get neckbeards on the internet to cooperate... oh wait...

First of all, i am not sure if you are serious. But for the sake of "intelligent consideration" i will intelligently consider giving you the benefit of the doubt.

You know, with all the "sociopath" nerfs we have seen lately, there has been quite a bit of joking around about how griefer tears are the most ironically delicious tears, etc.
And really, that is fine. CCP might be blatantly catering to the carebear population right now but that just means adapt or die. Those of us that enjoy what we do will still find a way to do what we do best. Keeping High Sec interesting.

What really irritates me though, is that you guys still keep on whining. CCP has thrown you almost any bone that was ever even remotely feasible. High Sec has been mollified to a degree that any half-competent player is for all intents and purposes untouchable. It has come to the point that it feels like we are only preying on the mentally challenged.

Seriously. I can't even enjoy these tears. It is just too pathetic.

lol, concord always catches the perp while 20% of police cases are solved

concord > poliss

'99% of all EVE 'PvP' is ganks

Some form of ganking, suicide ganks, blob ganks, gate camp ganks, hot drop ganks.

This is because basically all, with few exceptions of EVE's PVPers are scared of losing their ship, either because of ISK or because it will appear on their KB...

PATHETIC

Hurr look at me I killed a hauler, wanna fight about it? Ok outside station with my logi friends.

Even RvB has some of this and those are mostly alts Durr I have 120m SP, sure I'll 1v1 you new player, let me jump to my slave set.

If it wasn't this way, why is solo people non existent? Why are all of the things I said above true on their face?

'Carebears' are only rational about it and not so pathetically hypocritical that they need to gank people to hide their short comings, claiming they're 'hardcurr peeveepeer'

If your that risk adverse, this is probably not the game for you....

Just sayin...

In fact weren't there lots of complaints recently when their insurance payout was taken away making their endeavours just that little bit more risky?

You mean how you feel entitled to an absolutely safe space, even though it has been stated repeatedly that High Sec is in fact not safe, just relatively so?

This contorted pretense at reasoning you choose to use does resemble well the logic CCP apparently used in setting up this crime and punishment system - the criminal gets the reward, the victim pays the price.

Space is UNSAFE enough with legitimate uses of interstellar violence.

My post is merely a recipe for AVOIDING the suicide gank.

use the game mechanics to your advantage

After giving this a lot of intelligent consideration, I finally decided the FOOL proof way to avoid suicide ganks is....

...to not play at all.

When I log, I sort through all my valuables, look admiringly at my wallet balance, queue up some training...get frustrated at how LONG that takes...march myself around my quarters a while, drag my ships into the hangar to admire them, then I log off.

Since management is firmly planted in the "Let the Sociopaths Rule" position (sort of bent over...hands on knees...pants down...you know the drill)...it's FOOLISH to play Russian Roulette (sorry all you Rooskies out there) with your hard-earned assets on an endless merry-go-round of replacing ships you can afford to lose.

Now, I know that may not make sense to some of you out there. That's okay. It does make sense to a lot more of us than you might think, and for obvious reasons...which (of course) are lost on a LOT of people who think they're pretty smart.

Engage brain, don't get suicided.

I have yet to die to one after playing nearly 6 years.

there's the small matter of your stuff.....

Simple fact is that any real local authorities/governments would not put up with these brazen acts of piracy. They would step up policing action in hot spots and be more proactive in defending law abiding citizenry. Things we should be seeing would be active patrolling of locations where there is mining and an increased amount of criminal activity as well as a more robust police response.

I have no problem with the risk. It's the suicide gankers that are risk averse. They know full well that the miners they're blowing up aren't going to come hunting them down.

In fact weren't there lots of complaints recently when their insurance payout was taken away making their endeavours just that little bit more risky?

Of course I can imagine the outrage at the thought of a suicide ganker being hunted down by a miners combat alt on their way to their next "fight".

I I agree, it's absolutely the miners that won't work together or put effort into their endeavors that are to blame for suicide gankers getting to blow up massive amounts of ships "risk" free.

In light of this "revelation" it seems rather pointless for someone to start a thread to complain about a situation they have themselves helped create, doesn't it?

Interesting. Where in the OP did you find a 'complaint?" I see no "complaint" there. I do see an amusing observation, but if you think not being quiet and just taking something is complaining...well....I know a shrink that could use another yacht. Why do people resort to mischaracterization to make their slam dunks? It's probably because the "opposition" doesn't have a leg to stand on.

Personally I'd like an expansion where I, as a player, can permanently remove players from the game by killing them in the game.

It is time to cull the weak. Let them by devoured by the strong.

My belief there are no penalties for suicide ganking.

Getting your ship killed and losing sec status are penalties for suicide ganking. You might not believe they are harsh enough but to say there are no penalties at all is dumb.

Since management is firmly planted in the "Let the Sociopaths Rule" position (sort of bent over...hands on knees...pants down...you know the drill)...it's FOOLISH to play Russian Roulette (sorry all you Rooskies out there) with your hard-earned assets on an endless merry-go-round of replacing ships you can afford to lose.

Bro, the only way you can get scammed in Eve is if you don't ******* pay attention.

I tend to double and triple check the **** out of every contract, market transaction, direct trade, courier job, and everything else that could scam me.

If you were dumb enough to let it happen to you, don't assume people are lying when they say it never happened to them.

That's the point ... where is the punishment?

Even -10 sec status Criminals have nothing to fear.

CONCORD destroys their ships over and over and over and over .... and over again and NOTHING happens.
Is CONCORD realy THAT stupid and can't catch them to arest them?
And even more, even if they catch them ... they let them keep the goods they stole.

Sorry CCP ... never in the past, not now and never in the future ANY police would allow this!

And now the funny part ..
When ever someone says: "In RL criminals ..." he get hardcore flamed :"EVE IS NOT REAL".
And now the exact same criminals cry: "In RL blabla".

This leads just to -> Gankers are a bunsh of pullshit talking trolls

******* post of the year IMHO.

Also, anyone that ever told a victim that it is their fault is sub human.

Also, anyone that ever told a victim that it is their fault is sub human.