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Announcement:UNSCHEDULED DOWNTIME EXTENSION - 2016/02/29

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Nafensoriel KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 267	Posted - 2016.03.01 01:06:10 - [1] - Quote Ok.. For those who think today requires they get something for their money.. You pay 15 bucks a month(tops) for EVE per account. One day is 50 cents. (30daysx24hrs) When someone f*cks up your starbucks order you have more grounds to complain than losing one day of EVE by your very own logic.
Nafensoriel KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 268	Posted - 2016.03.01 01:35:54 - [2] - Quote Actually you cant use that method of logic. Legally your only grounds of complaint against CCP is right of access. You pay them for right of access to the EVE gameworld servers. Failure for CCP to provide access beyond the limits of their EULA(which btw they haven't failed in providing access) is your only ground for complaint when the server isnt up. A plex cannot be converted to cash legally thus remains with zero currency value. An item with zero real world currency value has no value. Additionally earning 1b isk for a plex is gameplay. CCP satisfied an obligation to acquiring that plex by providing a gameworld where it is possible. In short people. 6hrs. 12.5 cents USD. At best you could challenge 1 full day of lost service or 50 cents USD. Please.. sue CCP for 50 cents. Even class action. A mentally ******** legal team would destroy you and charge YOU for their legal fees.
Nafensoriel KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 268	Posted - 2016.03.01 01:45:36 - [3] - Quote Second post to explain why CCP has not failed to provide right of access or "acceptable uptime" You. the customer/client, have accepted 30min daily 7 days a week or 3hrs 30min or 15hrs Monthly or 7.5 Days Yearly. Losing 6hrs does not appreciably increase the amount of time CCP cannot provide access to their game world. Thus it cannot be construed as a violation of their side of the EULA agreement. For CCP to violate "uptime" claims you would have to see 30-50% more downtime consistently and regularly generally due to neglect or lack of proper maintenance or professional oversight. CCP has provided professional oversight. CCP has provided regular consistent maintenance CCP has provided regular QOL and Technology related upgrades to their service. CCP stands in good faith while recovering assets lost within their game world due to their own fault. CCP stands in good faith by regularly(see start of post and twitter) updating customers/clients during unexpected issues. In short.. Please again.. sue or legally file against CCP. It would be popcorn worthy and hilarious. CCP has done better than many many other companies in regards to uptime and customer support.
Nafensoriel KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 269	Posted - 2016.03.01 01:56:21 - [4] - Quote Bunny Ellecon wrote: Nafensoriel wrote: A plex cannot be converted to cash legally thus remains with zero currency value. An item with zero real world currency value has no value. Additionally earning 1b isk for a plex is gameplay. CCP satisfied an obligation to acquiring that plex by providing a gameworld where it is possible.. This would be a good point, if CCP didn't put a cash value/game time on a plex. Lemme make this simple for you, if I play well enough to make enough ISK...I can buy a PLEX. The PLEX allows me to continue playing without having to pay real $$$. So there's a currency value there...if you see it or if you don't. If I can't play, I can't make IS (sorta). If I can't make ISK I can't buy a PLEX. If I can't buy a PLEX with ISK, then I have to spend IRL $$$ to buy it. Not sure how you're blind to this... Incorrect on just about every single level. CCP provides you, the player, the option to buy an item that can be spawned into existence within the game world. By technical definition buying a plex is just CCP providing the service of creating you, the player, one plex within the game world. The plex itself has no cash value. It cannot be resold as cash. It cannot be traded back as cash except as a refund with CCP. A plex never has physical legal value. It actually doesn't have virtual value either as its pricing is decided on economic conditions within the games simulation. A simulation which has no interactions with the global economy. Your ability to purchase an item in a game with time spent is completely and utterly irrelevant to the cost CCP charges to spawn that item. Additionally your argument is fundamentally flawed by the fact that you are assuming a global situation with all players vs your own abilities. You would have to prove that the standard player could acquire 1 plex with time spent in 6hrs. This really isnt even remotely possible for the average EVE player. Also consider that with your assumption you failed to factor in 1 plex for all active players. As this would be a massive blow to the economy within the game the value would shift drastically. In no way shape or form can you actually logically use this argument as there is not 1 plex per player. Valuation is valuation. 1b isk for all eve players for 6hrs of downtime is not remotely possible because of the limitations of the market and volume of plex. Plex has no real world value. Its a generated in game item. You pay for the service of its creation.

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