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MidnightWyvern Night Theifs 193	Posted - 2016.03.02 13:22:55 - [31] - Quote Krevnos wrote: This did not require a new topic. EVERYTHING requires a new topic. _#portDust514 Don't let interactions like this become only a memory. (EVE alt> Sarayu Wyvern. Dust 514 alt> Mobius Wyvern.)
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 11066	Posted - 2016.03.02 15:59:57 - [32] - Quote You certainly lose if you insist on substituting 'u' for the pronoun 'you'. Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m! Bumble's Space Log
Greenbaumberk Starfighter Command Most Usual Suspects 2	Posted - 2016.03.02 18:17:44 - [33] - Quote Wait until Mr Epeen sees this...
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 11069	Posted - 2016.03.02 18:39:34 - [34] - Quote Greenbaumberk wrote: Wait until Mr Epeen sees this... He snoozes, he loses. Bumble Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m! Bumble's Space Log
thatonepersone Caldari Provisions Caldari State 38	Posted - 2016.03.02 19:39:09 - [35] - Quote Aviola von Yodalgut wrote: Hate to break it to you but you can't actually win EVE. The best you can do is set yourself some goals and have the satisfaction on their completion. Just because you cant tin eve dosnt mean you cant win a fight.
Ibutho Inkosi Irubo Kovu 212	Posted - 2016.03.02 19:45:59 - [36] - Quote Let's see. You can take the months it takes to train into a T3 heavy cruiser, including training the required skills for the T2 mods, targeting/navigation/etc. OR, you can get mommy to pull out her VISA and inject the SP for those skills in ten minutes...or so. Let's see...how does this question make sense? As long as the tale of the hunt is told by the hunter, and not the lion, it will favor the hunter.
Kamahl Daikun Back To Basics. Tactical Supremacy 77	Posted - 2016.03.02 20:23:49 - [37] - Quote Nad'x Hapax wrote: Heres how I see it: U cant put low skilled vs high skilled players against eachother. Everything in eve is 100% pvp or have elements of pvp and one thing holds true for all of them (I will come to this in the conclusion of what Im about to write) so lets take convensional pvp (like ships killing ships) as an example. Its just not about, like someone said, pitching a high skilled daredevil against a low skilled daredevil, its about taking or not taking the fight. Thats where the win/lose relationship makes most sense to me. The outcome of this process will ALWAYS be one and the same: If u die its your own fault and not CCPs fault for making it possible for one character to have more SP than he/she should. This is the beauty of eve. If u die, lose isk, get your ship blown up in a mission or any other SP/Skill-driven scenario, u dont blame CCP. This is eve, remember? Man up! Ugh, no. This is Eve, do you expect to win at everything because you have "skill"? SPs are important and required to do more than just sit in a ship. SPs invested affect certain attributes of your ship while also affecting which mods you can use and how many of them you can use. As an example I posted in another thread: Pilot A has 5m SP. Pilot B has 50m SP. Pilot A and B have similar piloting skill. Simply because Pilot B has more SP (assuming both pilots invested their SP wisely to fly ships with the best potential given their SP limitations), we can logically assume the following: Pilot B's ship has more eHP. Pilot B's ship has more maximum speed. Pilot B has less cap problems. Pilot B has T2 Guns, T2 Ammo, More RoF, etc. Basically, Pilot B has the better end of the stick simply because of SP. End of story. To be fair about this, SP isn't the end-all-be-all of the equation. As SP increases, it becomes more and more irrelevant after a certain point. Example: Let's say you only want to fly Frigates, Destroyers, and Cruisers. Getting all of the necessary skills to 5 would take (let's assume) 50m SP. The difference in stats between a 50m SP Pilot in a Caracal and a 100m SP Pilot in a Caracal are pretty negligible. Why? Because the relevant skills are all at 5 either way. SP becomes more and more of a factor the lower you go simply because it's limiting what you can and can't do as well as how well you can do is based on what you're doing (ex: takes less to perfectly fly a Cruiser rather than a Dread). In a similar example, for PvE, the results are largely the same although skewed based on activity. For running L4's efficiently, you don't need a Marauder. So let's say your goal is to beast L4 missions. Great, you obviously want some kind of Battleship for this. Let's say it takes ~30m SP to fully train all relevant BS skills to 5. Obviously, a 10m SP Pilot can't even compete with the isk/time efficiency of a 30m SP pilot. However, there's no real difference between a 30m SP Pilot and a 100m SP Pilot in this regard (not including social skills).
Kinet Caldari Provisions Caldari State 17	Posted - 2016.03.02 20:30:16 - [38] - Quote If skill points dont mean anything then how about you load half of yours up to an injector and email it to me? Surely a big tough guy like you who claims SP dont mean crap would be willing to give up half of his. You can even keep the starship command ones so you will still be able to fly all your ships.
Weiz'mir Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 4	Posted - 2016.03.03 00:12:01 - [39] - Quote The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind... https://zkillboard.com/kill/52372285/
Jenshae Chiroptera 2607	Posted - 2016.03.03 02:44:15 - [40] - Quote ... .... Sigh FORGET THE NEW PLAYERS WITH PERFECT SKILLS What you all seem to be missing is the veterans that look like new players but have perfect skills. That is the problem. That is why people will become more risk adverse than before. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids I will be voting for Xenuria because... EVE is becoming shallow and childish; it will not satisfy either crowd.
Remiel Pollard Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 7546	Posted - 2016.03.03 03:11:16 - [41] - Quote EDIT: I dun goofed, nvm. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Max Fubarticus The Scope Gallente Federation 92	Posted - 2016.03.03 11:00:08 - [42] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Is it really that hard to write 'you'? This isn't Twitter. Sadly, for some it is. Max Civil discourse is uniquely human. After all, when is the last time a pride of lions and a herd of water buffalo negotiated SOV over a watering hole? Never. Someone either gets their ass kicked or eaten. At the end of the day someone holds SOV.
Loradan Illstari Heretic Army I N F A M O U S 8	Posted - 2016.03.03 14:51:26 - [43] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: ... .... Sigh FORGET THE NEW PLAYERS WITH PERFECT SKILLS What you all seem to be missing is the veterans that look like new players but have perfect skills. That is the problem. That is why people will become more risk adverse than before. The game hasn't even remotely changed since the release of skill injectors/extractors. I undock, people come to kill me, we go pew, we die and do it again. The only risk averse ones are the people who are thinking, "Oh no, he might have more SP than me now!" News flash, he probably had more SP than you before the change, you just didn't worry about it then. Ppl have more SP than you. Oh noes, life goes on. Play the game, or don't. Up to you.
Kamahl Daikun Back To Basics. Tactical Supremacy 79	Posted - 2016.03.03 18:36:10 - [44] - Quote Loradan Illstari wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: ... .... Sigh FORGET THE NEW PLAYERS WITH PERFECT SKILLS What you all seem to be missing is the veterans that look like new players but have perfect skills. That is the problem. That is why people will become more risk adverse than before. The game hasn't even remotely changed since the release of skill injectors/extractors. I undock, people come to kill me, we go pew, we die and do it again. The only risk averse ones are the people who are thinking, "Oh no, he might have more SP than me now!" News flash, he probably had more SP than you before the change, you just didn't worry about it then. Ppl have more SP than you. Oh noes, life goes on. Play the game, or don't. Up to you. So, your gameplay needs to be affected in order for something to be considered a problem? I think we've already identified one of your problems.
Terminal Insanity Pwn 'N Play SpaceMonkey's Alliance 895	Posted - 2016.03.03 19:44:37 - [45] - Quote Nad'x Hapax wrote: hurp This is eve. You you expect to dump money into the game and have all the same abilities as a player who's spent the last decade earning them? Please quit videogames. You are a cancer that feeds greedy companies and turns games to **. "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature.**" - CCP
renwahh Jovian Vengeance 1	Posted - 2016.03.03 20:03:58 - [46] - Quote Same old story If you whine on about it don't play it Who cares if a 1 week old has more sp. 1 on 1 I'd still kick there ass because I have 10 years experience over them If there sinking tons of money into the game at least it pays the dev bills to keep the game going. Even more win for me
Nad'x Hapax Hapaxa 61	Posted - 2016.03.04 09:58:11 - [47] - Quote Max Fubarticus wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Is it really that hard to write 'you'? This isn't Twitter. Sadly, for some it is. Max I will never stop now. U just watch
Nad'x Hapax Hapaxa 61	Posted - 2016.03.04 10:00:02 - [48] - Quote And for all the negativity. This will only be a problem if u are letting it. Again, this is eve. MAN UP!
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 336	Posted - 2016.03.04 10:03:27 - [49] - Quote Kamahl Daikun wrote: Loradan Illstari wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: ... .... Sigh FORGET THE NEW PLAYERS WITH PERFECT SKILLS What you all seem to be missing is the veterans that look like new players but have perfect skills. That is the problem. That is why people will become more risk adverse than before. The game hasn't even remotely changed since the release of skill injectors/extractors. I undock, people come to kill me, we go pew, we die and do it again. The only risk averse ones are the people who are thinking, "Oh no, he might have more SP than me now!" News flash, he probably had more SP than you before the change, you just didn't worry about it then. Ppl have more SP than you. Oh noes, life goes on. Play the game, or don't. Up to you. So, your gameplay needs to be affected in order for something to be considered a problem? I think we've already identified one of your problems. again, what problem? Just Add Water
Bunnie Hop Bunny Knights 600	Posted - 2016.03.04 11:17:20 - [50] - Quote I don't think anyone believes that by purchasing skill points they are magically going to win at anything. But if they have the money and or ISK to buy them, why not buy them. They get what they want, the sellers get what they want, capitalism at its best.
Loradan Illstari Heretic Army I N F A M O U S 8	Posted - 2016.03.04 15:17:23 - [51] - Quote Kamahl Daikun wrote: Loradan Illstari wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: ... .... Sigh FORGET THE NEW PLAYERS WITH PERFECT SKILLS What you all seem to be missing is the veterans that look like new players but have perfect skills. That is the problem. That is why people will become more risk adverse than before. The game hasn't even remotely changed since the release of skill injectors/extractors. I undock, people come to kill me, we go pew, we die and do it again. The only risk averse ones are the people who are thinking, "Oh no, he might have more SP than me now!" News flash, he probably had more SP than you before the change, you just didn't worry about it then. Ppl have more SP than you. Oh noes, life goes on. Play the game, or don't. Up to you. So, your gameplay needs to be affected in order for something to be considered a problem? I think we've already identified one of your problems. And what problem would that be? Playing and having fun? Because I'm not the one with an issue here. You are.
u3pog Ministerstvo na otbranata 735	Posted - 2016.03.04 15:25:47 - [52] - Quote Who is this "u" and what should he expect? Maybe someone from Men in Black - Agent U?
Vestara Khai State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.03.04 21:13:50 - [53] - Quote I think Eve is, and always will be, P2W. But it was never about the Skillpoints, its about multiple accounts. Example PvP: get a scout alt and send him in front or just camp one gate with your 5 alts running on 5 monitors. PVE: boost yourself, be your own intel in Low/Null Industry/Mining: again boost yourself and have an own fleet of guys running on different clients Trading: have an alt in every hub and other alts for hauling between them, designated JF alt in NPC corp against Wardecs Buying skill points is just speeding up the things you can do, but in a lot of things it is really very effective if you have multiple accounts running. So if you are really about "Play to Win" or "Skill for Win" make everyone just play with just one account and we would have an a little more demanding game. But then it would probably also cut the subs by est. 50%

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