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Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.07 13:53:00 - [1] HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA Sign up to your local witch hunta >>>>>>>>>>>> THATTAWAY!!! :D Must make a new sig now, laughing my sweet ass off at all of you haters. muahahahahahahahaha Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.07 14:05:00 - [2] Originally by: Hoshi If one RKK member found out who was a dev and kept it to himself this would never have happened but the member that found these devs where not ethical enough to do so and spread the knowledge to others in RKK and so here we are. Actually, it would still have happened, as much of the supposed correspondence was between the accused dev characters and non-dev characters, so your point is moot, and rod is right - it's irrelevant. Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.07 14:30:00 - [3] Originally by: Hoshi Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Hoshi If one RKK member found out who was a dev and kept it to himself this would never have happened but the member that found these devs where not ethical enough to do so and spread the knowledge to others in RKK and so here we are. Actually, it would still have happened, as much of the supposed correspondence was between the accused dev characters and non-dev characters, so your point is moot, and rod is right - it's irrelevant. You miss the point. If the member in RKK where not ethical enough to keep the knowledge to him/her self how can we be expected to believe they (he and the people he spread it to) would be ethical enough not to try to take advantage of the knowledge? The minute the knowledge of these devs started to spread among the RKK leadership was the minute these dev chars should have been pulled out, not months later. The question is relevant because if the answer is "yes they knew" then it means that both the rules and the audit concerning dev chars needs to be revised. No, I'm afraid it is you that is missing the point. Read my post again, please. Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.07 14:42:00 - [4] I don't see how anything urban II has posted is in any way controversial or against EULA? I'd also love to hear what EULA RKK has broken, considering the only one that anyone has accused us of (buying a char for cash) was subsequently proven to be complete rubbish? Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.07 14:44:00 - [5] Originally by: Razor Jaxx My take on this : - Outed Devs : It is my understanding that Devs are allowed to play the game under the proviso that their CCP identity remains hidden at all times, including to their in-game friends and corpmates. The Devs that have been outed brought this upon themselves by failing to comply to this capital rule (if you can't understand why this rule is in place, you need a functional brain). The how and why the information became known to the general public is irrelevant - the general public wouldn't have known anything if said Devs had kept a low profile in the first place. Character recycling is normal under the circumstances. - Dev corp policing : I've read here and there people complaining about Dev characters not policing their alliance when witnessing borderline (or EULA-violating) actions. This is bull**. You can't ask of Devs to play and act as regular players on one hand, and ask them to play as Devs when they witness suspicious actions. This, however, exposes one of the "grey areas" of letting Devs play as general community members : What is a supposedly secret Dev character to do when faced with EULA violations on his player account? Act as a Dev? Block the info out with a mind eraser? You see the problem. - BPOs allegations : Nowhere have I seen the slightest evidence that these BPOs were acquired malevolently. This is pure urban myth and speculation. It is not uncommon to hear of players who have won several T2 BPOs in the lottery. As far as we can tell, those BPOs were acquired legitimately, and if their rightful owner's decision is to donate them to his corporation upon leaving, then so be it, there is nothing wrong with this, it is actually quite common. - ISD allegations : Even though those haven't been addressed, Kenshin's revelations were by far the most disturbing to me, in the sense that is was an actual acknowledgement of unpunished foul play by its very own perpetrator. What is CCP going to do about this, and what assurances will we be given? - CCP's handling of the issue : It's been said countless of times in this thread, so I won't elaborate needlessly. Where the audience was expecting clear answers, it received a vague statement instead, that not only does very little to help, but actually makes the issue worse by creating more speculation while failing to clear the innocent of any wrongdoings. As for the bit about internal auditing - I'll play the devil's advocate here : this is an oxymoron. Serious auditing is never internal. I mean, who's going the audit the auditeers' playing accounts? (yes, I'm being cheeky, but you see my point). imma gonna use that, thanks Razor. Quote:** 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.07 14:47:00 - [6] Originally by: Tomic Originally by: Juan Andalusian Quote: however it is rather obvious that BoB reap what they sow. At no point did any BoB director or leader ever deny the possibility of CCP employees of any level or station being part of the alliance. A Dev identity being disclosed doesn't contradict any of the statements made by BoB. Any chance we'll get back to page one with this ? Backpedalling 4tw. Lack of memory for the win? We've said it countless times, we're too good at this game for the devs NOT to watch us Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.07 15:07:00 - [7] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Dianabolic I don't see how anything urban II has posted is in any way controversial or against EULA? I'd also love to hear what EULA RKK has broken, considering the only one that anyone has accused us of (buying a char for cash) was subsequently proven to be complete rubbish? Show me where this was proven to be complete rubbish. It's in the logs of the forums and pms he posted, Shin, where dbp and Judicator finally decided that no real life cash would change hands for it. I don't have the logs, I'm sure you can sign up to kugs sight for them if you wish. Either way, dbp says no money changed hands, I believe him, ccp haven't banned him, proof enough for me. Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.07 15:09:00 - [8] Originally by: Tomic Edited by: Tomic on 07/02/2007 14:47:52 Originally by: Dianabolic We've said it countless times, we're too good at this game for the devs NOT to watch us Too good? or too many devs? I suppose its a chicken and egg situation. Yes, it must be that the devs are the only reason BoB win, that must be it. Out of 1k characters, 200 active pilots, those 5 surely must make alllllll the difference... Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.07 15:18:00 - [9] Originally by: The Mittani I'm sure that Dianabolic would tell us all sorts of amazing lovely things that could exonerate him, but of course he's been "Sworn to Secrecy". Band of Developers. Just sayin'. You do realise, Mittani, that that particular quote is one that I've never said? That it's made up? "CCP" have never spoken to me in any other capacity than moderator mails or kieron replying to my mails. They've certainly never sworn me to secrecy It's a great (mis)quote tho, I may even use it in a sig. It's just one example of poor old kugs flowering up his "data" a bit too much. Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.07 15:24:00 - [10] Edited by: Dianabolic on 07/02/2007 15:20:50 Originally by: Nyack so you say blacklight, sirmolle etc have no value what so ever and that is the collective bob that does the magic.. of course 5 people have impact in an allliance if they are part of the leadership.. it isnt a matter if they did all the difference it is a matter of tipping the scale.. Nyack, dear chap, that's a mighty big "etc". Without molle would we be as effective? Surely not. Without BL? Surely not. Without reath? Surely not. How about Valora? Surely not. If we lose ANY of our pilots, it effects our effectiveness, but so much that we aren't what we are? Are you serious? When we first hit Delve and left the north, we did so without molle or BL (iirc, I know he took a long sabbatical for some time around then). Over time we've gone without many of our "Major" players, and many of our "minor" but JUST as important players. I said... "Yes, it must be that the devs are the only reason BoB win, that must be it." We don't play with Devs. We play with characters, normal eve pilots - if one of those pilots turns out to be a dev, I really don't care, because they never got treated any different by me, or anyone else. Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.

Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.07 15:25:00 - [11] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Dianabolic I don't see how anything urban II has posted is in any way controversial or against EULA? I'd also love to hear what EULA RKK has broken, considering the only one that anyone has accused us of (buying a char for cash) was subsequently proven to be complete rubbish? Show me where this was proven to be complete rubbish. It's in the logs of the forums and pms he posted, Shin, where dbp and Judicator finally decided that no real life cash would change hands for it. I don't have the logs, I'm sure you can sign up to kugs sight for them if you wish. Either way, dbp says no money changed hands, I believe him, ccp haven't banned him, proof enough for me. That is, of course, entirerly possible. But its not excalty conclusive proof that will shut up everyone is it? So passing it off like that in an arrogant sort of way isn't really helping is it? Also, Judicator is still in Reikoku. What happened? Jud left the game and gave the character, gratis, to dbp. Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.07 15:28:00 - [12] Originally by: The Mittani Occam's razor simply says that you are a liar. It is the simplest explanation, and the best. Just as the simplest explanation of Anthonyz is that he is a malicious hacker, and that this 'he was given a db dump' of RKK's forums is utter nonsense. All the parties in this lovely little tiff have blood all over their hands. It is the simplest because you want it to be, Mittani, that doesn't make it correct. Kugs needed sensationalism, you didn't have this kind of drama sitting within your boards, so why would he need to be? AnthonyZ doesn't need to be smart to sensationalise a story, it's something anyone that reads a tabloid newspaper can do. Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.07 15:47:00 - [13] Originally by: Drakma Originally by: Avon Originally by: Shin Ra That is, of course, entirerly possible. But its not excalty conclusive proof that will shut up everyone is it? So passing it off like that in an arrogant sort of way isn't really helping is it? Also, Judicator is still in Reikoku. What happened? The "prosecution" doesn't need conclusive proof, but the defense does? Seriously Shin, get a grip mate. Is this a court of law? Does it matter? Are you saying the burden of proof should be different... just because you say so? Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.07 15:51:00 - [14] Originally by: Shin Ra So at the very least this shows that, other than someones word, there is no proof available to any of us. So I think that your statement about the accusation being proven to be complete rubbish, is infact, ironically, complete rubbish. Except there IS proof, Shin. In fact, the same logs that you are using to say that he DID pay cash for it... later show that he did not. So, the proof of transfer comes from the same source. You've believed it thus far, but now it's in contradiction you claim it is "absolute rubbish"? I appreciate your attempt to being neutral mate, you can either take us at our word or not, or go register on those forums and see where the pm convos end. Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.07 15:54:00 - [15] Originally by: Tomic Edited by: Tomic on 07/02/2007 15:23:13 http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/2460/bobspacesg3.jpg LOl - Suggested alterations to the alliance map. You need a warzone. And, for my final post on this thread (as sophie is ofc quite correct): Decide to stay and play, or don't Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.

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